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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Other Artists
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:03:33 -0500
Message-Id: <9604011703.AA34925@cyberworld.com>
In response to the request to recommend other artists I thought I would
throw in my two cents worth. My two favorite performers/song-writers are
Matt Johnson and John Hiatt.
While dissimilar in styles, both are alike in their ability to convey the
meaning and emotion of a song both lyrically and musically. Both surround
themselves with great musicians, particularly guitar players. Some might
label JH country, to me its just great songs and great rock and roll.
Checkout "Perfectly Good Guitar", "Slow Turning", and "Bring the Family".
My favorite is Slow Turning. I found his latest release "Walk On" to be a
bit of a disappointment, but six out of the last seven isn't too bad.
I also dig Peter Murphy's new album "Cascade". Definitely my favorite
album of 1995.
R.B. Shafer
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Other Artists
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 13:32:58 EST
Message-Id: <199604011833.MAA08874@cs.uchicago.edu>
OK - recommendations of other artists - ha-ha, you're probably all going to
hate this!
However, when I'm not in the mood for something more up-beat, not quite as
deep but still with decent lyrics I have to admit to being somewhat more than
partial to Faith No More. Not really a 'rock band' although that's what
people like to believe. If you don't believe me, check out the diversity of
'King for a Day, Fool for a Lifetime'. If I play it to other people, around
halfway through the album they always ask 'is this the same band?'.
Someone else mentioned Rage Against The Machine - like them too.
Senser (Rage Against The Machine meets Faith No More meets Leftfield) are also
a damn fine band.
Blur are OK, Oasis sound good but sadly unoriginal.
Oh yeah, and the odd bit of Beastie Boys doesn't go amiss.
The The are still Number One though - have been for 10 years now, and I can't
see it changing for a while.
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:03:33 -0500
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Other Artists
In response to the request to recommend other artists I thought I would
throw in my two cents worth. My two favorite performers/song-writers are
Matt Johnson and John Hiatt.
While dissimilar in styles, both are alike in their ability to convey the
meaning and emotion of a song both lyrically and musically. Both surround
themselves with great musicians, particularly guitar players. Some might
label JH country, to me its just great songs and great rock and roll.
Checkout "Perfectly Good Guitar", "Slow Turning", and "Bring the Family".
My favorite is Slow Turning. I found his latest release "Walk On" to be a
bit of a disappointment, but six out of the last seven isn't too bad.
I also dig Peter Murphy's new album "Cascade". Definitely my favorite
album of 1995.
R.B. Shafer
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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Other Artists
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 14:08:03 CST
Message-Id: <9604012008.AA10629@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
I've just recently gotten into the Dave Mathews Band. Although they may
not have the same sound as the The, there are a lot of other
similarities. Both have great lyrics, often very introspective, and both
are able to take a variety of musical influences and mold them into an
innovative and unique sound. DMB have a new album coming out later this
month which I'm looking forward to. Hopefully it will take a little of
the sting from the Gun Sluts cancellation/postponement.
- -walker ("lost and brainwashed")
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From: Peter Caira
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Other Artists
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:05:38 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
Definitely these:
Tori Amos
The Kinks
Lloyd Cole
Leonard Cohen
Style Council
Duran Duran
Talking Heads
Midnight Oil
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The, what else is there?
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:42:33 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <960401164233.1f0b@briar-cliff.edu>
I've been wondering, is it impossible to get a copy of The Pornography of
Despair? Are these just early songs on album or or they some of the songs
contained on the newer releases?
Dave.
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From: Trevor Walton
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:Other Artists
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:11:26 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <199604020111.RAA26828@e2.empirenet.com>
I don't post much on here, but I can never resist an opportunity to praise some
of my favorite artists(just ask anyone whose ever put up with my rantings :).
Getting top billing among my favorites including of course Matt Johnson and
TheThe would have to be:
Jello Biafra (Dead Kennedys)
Tom Waits
Leonard Cohen
John Cale, Lou Reed, and The Velvet Underground
Peter Gabriel
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From: Peter Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: g'day...
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:55:16 +1000
Message-Id:
Not to be one to post much on this here group board, I have braved the
keyboard and your opinions to send this:
theThe makes me sweat and smile and introspect- his music keeps me alive.
Leonard Cohen is cool;
Jimi Hendrix was an amazing blues guitarist and singer;
REM can sing to me any day;
and when I have time I'll write more....
Hope you're all fit and fighting and searching for ecstacy!
Peter B Love
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From: Ray Blumel
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: other artists
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 00:24:25 -0500
Message-ID: <3160BA09.4380@ix.netcom.com>
I see that I am not the only the The fan that also digs Midnight Oil, I
have never found two bands that are so different yet, so much alike. I
have been listening to both since the mid 80's and the only other band
that I would recommend others to listen to is a few of Social
Distortions albums, and if you are very daring listen to Skinny Puppy
(industrial music at its finest), and really listen to the lyrics.
Ray Blumel
"It's better to live on your feet, than to DIE on your KNEES!"
Midnight Oil-Power and the Passion
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From: ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Misc.
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 0:29:39 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <960402002939.30c0@briar-cliff.edu>
It's nice to see that there are many fans of The The. Here's a list of
other great music:
Tina & the B-Side Movement
David Gray (Man, can he wail!)
Maceo Parker
Dagobah (Play in Iowa City if you ever get the chance)
The Drovers
Dead Can Dance(Oh,yes they can)
Marvin Gaye (Try out his tribute album-worth the buy just because of
Neneh Cherry's remake of 'Trouble Man')
Dave.
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Other Artists
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:18:18 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604022318.AAA24469@GPO.iol.ie>
Other artists.......hmmmm:
Being a Beatle fan, I'd have to put Lennon up there. Indeed, I'm sure I read
somewhere that Matt was influenced by John Lennon.
As for Paul McCartney solo......well, the less said the better (remember the
Frog Chorus.....what was he on?)
Of course, any self respecting The the fan would have to Include New Kids on
the Block or Boyz 2 Men in their record collection. I find their exploration
of the darker side of the human condition and psyche quite intriguing.
There's also a new Irish group called 'Boyzone'. As their name suggests,
they're into the same type of introspection (Blair, you can back me up on
that, can't you?!)
On a more serious note, The Levellers are none too bad.
Also, up-and-coming band (euphemism for 'They're not exactly very big')
'Whipping Boy'.
Carl
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From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: I'm new one
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:34:25 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB215C.7C261900@ppp-mia-72.shadow.net>
On Tuesday, April 16, 1996 12:45 PM, Andrzej Olaczek[SMTP:andol@zr.ita.pwr.wroc.pl] wrote:
>hi
>hi , I'm new one on infected and I hope I'll have some fun.
>
>
>
>--
>Andrzej Olaczek
>
Me too...I mean I hope you'll have some fun ;{|
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: newsgroup
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:52:29 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB215C.7E2E6C20@ppp-mia-72.shadow.net>
On Monday, April 15, 1996 3:48 PM, Doug =
Chase[SMTP:dougcha@microsoft.com] wrote:
=20
>Althought the list has been busier lately (good!), I wouldn't =
exactly
>say that it's overloading my mailbox.
>
>>I think you need 200 people to do this...anyone knowledgable in the
>>area of=20
>>creating these?
>
>Don't know.
>
>
>-Doug
>
I'm with you Doug, seems this list spurts and sputters quite often. Not =
complaining about the current spurting though. As for Luster's comment =
on certain people not welcoming large amounts of mail--I've got two =
words: OASIS LIST. Phew!, I made that mistake about a year ago...they'd =
max out my 10meg of e-mail disk space in a couple of hours. But if =
you've an axe to grind, adding a name to the list makes for a wonderful =
Mail Bomb--like a Mind Bomb, only it sounds like a bunch of 14 year old =
British gals debating over who has the better eyebrows...Noel or Liam. =
They also delve into subject of divinity and spirit i.e Who is =
God?...Noel or Liam.
~Sorry to bother everybody with my personal tribulations.
Ian =20
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: met him?
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 23:07:52
Message-Id: <199604040402.XAA16223@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
Just curious...how many people on this list have run into matt?
Where does he hang out?
Maybe we should all pitch-in for a Priv. detective who will find him and tell
us where he is. I've got a few questions for him...
JaY
LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: wow
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:35:24 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB21BE.ACD406E0@ppp-mia-34.shadow.net>
On Tuesday, April 16, 1996 8:03 PM, aka Wavequeen =
[SMTP:uthelene@ix.netcom.com] wrote:
>Please dont compare the The to Dave Matthews, the two dont even =
compare=20
>
>with the drivel that DMB, oozes...
>
>Wow,
>
>Ray
>
>> well i happen to like Dave Matthews, another more genuine person =
in=20
>the music biz...but MJ has my heart,
>
>on the DM and theThe tour, my radio station won the priviledge of=20
>having the tour come to the humble town of Champaign, IL. I was=20
>supposed to interview David Gahan et al, but the pinheads scheduled=20
>their only "mix with those not like us" portion of their show during =
>theThe's performance. I call the tour manager to say I would not be =
>doing the interview unless it could happen after the DM part of the=20
>show. When the tour manager heard that he went balistic, why =
couldn't=20
>I do the interview blah blah blah. When I told him I was a devote=20
>theThe fan and wouldn't miss a show of their's ever...now we're =
talking=20
>down right pissed off he was. And the quote was, " Why the fuck =
you're=20
>passing off one of the greatest bands for one of the least =
significant=20
>bands is beyond me."
>
>My retaliation nearly got me kicked of the air but ever time I had =
to=20
>play a Depeche Mode song becauase of the concert promo thing, I =
ragged=20
>on the band, called them Depeche Mold, the general manager was not=20
>pleased.
>
>The crazy thing is that I enjoy DM, I have a lot of their releases=20
>including all those pesky singles with remixes and extra tracks. So =
>the moral of the story? I try not to let the pissy personalitites =
of=20
>the band or their entourage turn me off to the music. amen.
>
>euthelene who's still spinnig her DM disks, but has my apt plastered =
>with theThe and MJ posters
>
Speaking of endless singles, I've collected the majority of the Dusk =
releases, but I still want the entirety of the "Royal Albert Hall/vs. =
the World" show. So I noticed an album cover for "vs. the World" on the =
Sony site. Anybody know the deal on this? Perhaps, it'll be one of our =
upcoming compilations...you know, a compilation of live songs from the =
same concert, that just happened to be filmed.
When I originally mentioned DM in a post it was because I too enjoy =
their music. Come to think of it, maybe Matt can fill in for the =
recently departed Alan Wilder...unless of course, that conflicts with =
any other bands he's currently touring with (as drummer);). I jest of =
course, read-no offense. Finally, does anybody out there feel as if =
Mind Bomb is MJ's finest creation? I ask this because it gets slagged =
fairly often in posts.
~Ian=20
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: "Adam Richard Humphreys"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: I've met him.
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:13:48 MST7MDT
Message-Id: <25368F94473@wiley.nnc.edu>
I met Matt Johnson in a bar above the club where he played in
Portland, Oregon during the Lonely Planet Tour. He was talking to a
girl and she was letting him try a sip of her drink. He looked like
he was having the time of his life.....until he saw me walking toward
him with paper and pen in hand. He quickly turned his back to me and
would not respond when I tapped him on the shoulder. He finally
turned around and stared at me with a blank expression. I asked him
if he would please sign my copy of "Mind Bomb." To make matters worse
it was a cut-out version. He rolled his eyes and silently complied.
After about five minutes of facing the avalanche of autograph seekers,
which I am afraid I inspired, Matt left with a really pissed off look
on his face. Afterwards, a psychotic fan of the The told me that
Johnson only likes to sign autographs if you are a horney looking
girl.....
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Re: met him?
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 23:25:17
Message-Id: <199604050419.XAA07787@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>> Just curious...how many people on this list have run into matt?
>> Where does he hang out?
>> Maybe we should all pitch-in for a Priv. detective who will find him and
> tell
>> us where he is. I've got a few questions for him...
>>
>> JaY
>
>Please tell me you're joking about the detective...
Good God, yes!
I figured if this got many responses I would put them all on my
new the The site "the soul mine." It's even got the official
Dave Hirsch seal of approval...
JaY
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From: Trevor Walton
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: met him?
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:28:08 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <199604050328.TAA12279@e2.empirenet.com>
>
> Just curious...how many people on this list have run into matt?
> Where does he hang out?
> Maybe we should all pitch-in for a Priv. detective who will find him and tell
> us where he is. I've got a few questions for him...
>
> JaY
Please tell me you're joking about the detective...
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twalton@e2.empirenet.com\ but not enough to get myself organised -TheThe
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From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: ambitious + more
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 02:48:22 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB229A.5FC87020@ppp-mia-48.shadow.net>
On Wednesday, April 17, 1996 4:25 PM, David B. =
Hirsch[SMTP:dbh@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] wrote:
>i just found the compilation called "ambitious." it has a great old =
matt=20
>johnson song, called "what stanley saw." this thing originally came =
from=20
>a cherry red records comp. called perspectives and distortion. that =
>record dates the recording of it back to spring 1980, which would =
make it=20
>one of the absolute earliest (after the gadgets). it is a great =
song that
>deserved to be in print on cd. sounds like the burning blue soul =
stuff,=20
>but also a bit like soul mining. very cool.
>
=20
Dave,
I don't know where you shop, but you come up with some weird shit. I get =
the feeling Matt could learn a bit about his time in the studios from =
you...that's not a drug-related comment (just in case it flares up =
again).
A question to the Infected: I find it strange that MJ's music is so =
un-psychedelic, especially considering his openess to certain =
substances. And now that I think of it, if anybody has ever been =
"altered" in that sense, it's a very reflective process. Matt's lyrics =
somehow make the psychedelic works of others seem contrived (with a =
notable exception to the Beatles for inspiring the lot). By that, I am =
stating that many tend to lyrically attempt to recreate Sgt. Peppers. I =
thinks this is a form of sub-concious plagiarism. Anybody feel this way? =
When you're inebriated in any manner; do you embrace distortions in =
perceptions or do you ponder your personal status? I know what I would =
say, and I'm confident that MJ would answer similarly--trite bastard =
that I am.
Cheers_________________________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:=20
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit"--Bob Marley
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From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: met him?
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:56:17 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB233A.BEEB7D40@ppp-mia-53.shadow.net>
On Wednesday, April 03, 1996 6:07 PM, luster is the name of my band[SMTP:luster@gnn.com] wrote:
>Just curious...how many people on this list have run into matt?
>Where does he hang out?
>Maybe we should all pitch-in for a Priv. detective who will find him and tell
>us where he is. I've got a few questions for him...
>
>JaY
>
>LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
>http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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>
Met 'em. Aftershow party at a club.
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: favs
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:42:22 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB235A.50C2E7C0@ppp-mia-46.shadow.net>
1. Mind Bomb
2. Dusk
3. Soul Mining
4. Infected
5. Hanky
6. BBS
______________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit..."--Bob Marley
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From: frantic1@ix.netcom.com (Francis Zafuto)
To: infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Flesh and Bones
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 10:22:19 -0800
Message-Id: <199604061822.KAA27641@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
If someone could please tell me where i can purchase a copy of "Flesh
and Bones" i would be enternally grateful. This was the first The The
song i had ever heard and some friends of mine and I are in desparate
need of the afore mentioned song. It is very cool to see places like
this on the internet, the future is here finally. Anyway please excuse
and spelling errors and I'm looking forward to hearing from someone.
Thanx much
Francis (Fran a The The fan)
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From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: met him?
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:45:41 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB2423.F3D812E0@ppp-mia-49.shadow.net>
On Sunday, April 07, 1996 2:29 PM, luster is the name of my =
band[SMTP:luster@gnn.com] wrote:
>>Met 'em. Aftershow party at a club.
>>
>
>Is there any way you could expand on this...spice it up a bit?
>I'd like to put a bunch of people's stories up on my site.
>You'd certainly be credited.
>
>JaY
>LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
>http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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>
If you insist,
My friend Mike and I decided to drive to Atlanta (11.5 hrs) after the =
Miami(FL) show for which I had 5th row seats, was cancelled (thanks to =
Depeche Mode--bollucks). Both of us were radio station components at my =
universities' AM station which rarely transmitted further than .5 miles. =
However, a keen knack for music-lingo/bullshit goes a long way with A&R =
guys (gals respectively). Therefore, the interview we planned to hold =
in Miami was re-scheduled for the Roxy in Atlanta...plenty of road to =
formulate deep, inciteful questions for Matt. Unfortunately, the Sony =
Dude was not a timely fellow and we finally gained entrance to the club =
10 minutes prior to theThe's set. A great show, however, a word of =
advice to bootleggers: stay out of the section below the balcony--a =
basstrapp. =20
After the show we re-contacted the Sony rep, at which time he ushered =
us to side room where we were to meet (not interview) the band. This =
little scenario was cool, however, when I finally approached Matt I =
could say little more than: "I lub yir Music and great show." I could =
have pissed on myself for that, but the Mr. Sony invited us to the =
"aftershow" at a local club (even gave us the directions). We headed =
for the club, and who's sitting in the covertible next to me...you =
guessed it. So I stick out my tongue-for him to see cause I'd been =
waitin for a bug...
- --I jest. Anyhow, we used the secret code ("thethe party") to enter the =
private room and drink our livers until well-done. I could'nt do that =
though, I could'nt risk it--in case Matt engaged me in =
introspection...the boose would leave me entirely vulnerable.
I engaged Matt again and received a sympathetic yet distant ear. He =
was very intrested in the lighting of club, but not excessively. What =
was said about Palmer in the Mind Bomb tourbook by Marr was true though. =
He was mad with club spirit--a nice fellow to boot. D.C. was cool, I =
could'nt be bothered to greet the "stand-in" guitarist (Joyner) though, =
and the rest of the band just lounged around. Not an event filled =
evening...unless you drove from Miami.=20
~Come to think of it, I might publish this on my theThe page--address to =
be announced in a few weeks (I type slow).=20
~Kinda glad you asked Luster! =20
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: kidding?
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:31:31 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB250E.16496820@ppp-mia-45.shadow.net>
On Monday, April 08, 1996 2:03 PM, luster is the name of my band[SMTP:luster@gnn.com] wrote:
>
>>next the The Album can be half the album that Sixteen Stone
>>was.
>
>You've got to be kidding...
>
I second this, Bush can't even hack the Brit press. I don't think you'll find Matt selling-out to the American "Buck" anytime soon.
P.s. Is Bush still doing the '95/'96 Trailerpark tour? :|
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: jeff buckley
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:41:22 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB250E.18057000@ppp-mia-45.shadow.net>
Did someone spike the punch or have you all gone mad? I heard Matt was =
working at my local car wash as a rag boy. I decided to do some keen =
detective work, and alas I discovered that it was not "our" Matt, but =
rather, somebody using the ultra-rare Matthew/Johnson combo. ;' (thought =
my comments might neccesitate the smoker)
- ----------
From: Lisa Moran[SMTP:moran@box.satech.net.au]
Sent: Monday, April 08, 1996 9:40 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: jeff buckley
>i was also wondering about the jeff buckley connection..on all of his =
CD's >Matt Johnson is credited with drums, percussion and 'vibes' on one =
song, >even co'wrote a couple.=20
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: pandora@getnet.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: I've met him.
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 03:22:37 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id: <199604081022.DAA15686@getnet.com>
This is sort of understandable - I can imagine he'd just like to have
a normal life sometimes and just hang out. But on the other hand it's
not like he's a huge star that would get mobbed just walking down the
street.
You could take it one of two ways - either he thinks he's too good for
the rest of us, or he shuns the trappings of fame and doesn't enjoy them.
Maybe a bit of both.
>I met Matt Johnson in a bar above the club where he played in
>Portland, Oregon during the Lonely Planet Tour. He was talking to a
>girl and she was letting him try a sip of her drink. He looked like
>he was having the time of his life.....until he saw me walking toward
>him with paper and pen in hand. He quickly turned his back to me and
>would not respond when I tapped him on the shoulder. He finally
>turned around and stared at me with a blank expression. I asked him
>if he would please sign my copy of "Mind Bomb." To make matters worse
>it was a cut-out version. He rolled his eyes and silently complied.
>After about five minutes of facing the avalanche of autograph seekers,
>which I am afraid I inspired, Matt left with a really pissed off look
>on his face. Afterwards, a psychotic fan of the The told me that
>Johnson only likes to sign autographs if you are a horney looking
>girl.....
>
>
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From: Madhatter
To: Douglas H Walker
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Other Artists
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:37:08 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Douglas H Walker wrote:
> I've just recently gotten into the Dave Mathews Band. Although they may
> not have the same sound as the The, there are a lot of other
> similarities. Both have great lyrics, often very introspective, and both
> are able to take a variety of musical influences and mold them into an
> innovative and unique sound. DMB have a new album coming out later this
> month which I'm looking forward to. Hopefully it will take a little of
> the sting from the Gun Sluts cancellation/postponement.
>
> -walker ("lost and brainwashed")
>
UHHHGGHHH!!! How can you compare DMB with THE and still live with
yourself. I saw them live a few years ago in Richmond (they're a
Virginian band) and it was the worst show experience of my life. First
off, it was FULL of 14-year-old dead-head wannabes. I mean, if I saw one
more tiedeye(spl???) I would have vomited. Then, the band comes on, and
it was SO FUCKING BORING! Sure, they're talented, but God do they put
you to sleep.
Sorry...I didn't mean to flame you, but this band is such a 'alternative'
(aka: shitty psuedo-grunge band) band that I just can't see the
comparison to THE.
------------------------------
From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Entartete Kunst)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199604081746.NAA18939@infoweb.magi.com>
I love the The but(t) I believe Matt has become a bit
bourgeoisie and isolated. Inevitable since he seems to
subscribe to the existential ideal of the "Pleasure Principal." He spends to
much time with Hookers and
addicts (probably why Fiona left him.) I think my Matt
Johnson for the nineties is Bush (X.) I just hope the
next the The Album can be half the album that Sixteen Stone
was. Some one told me that a guy played drums called "Matt
Johnson" for Jeff Buckley at the Glastonbary festival in
England last summer, Jeff introduced him as "the Matt Johnson?"
First post in a while, sorry it didn't make you smile.
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: kidding?
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 18:03:31
Message-Id: <199604082157.RAA09278@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>next the The Album can be half the album that Sixteen Stone
>was.
You've got to be kidding...
JaY
LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm*******ALL NEW*******
LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
------------------------------
From: Peter Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: is it really he?
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:34:50 +1100
Message-Id:
I recently looked at the Jeff Buckley album notes (being a big fan of his)
and was suprised to see the name, Matt Johnson, as part of the band.
However, on reviewing the accompanying picture I didn't see the face we all
love (hehehe). Oh well, so much for common names.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
>X-Sender: 3dvideo@magi.com
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Entartete Kunst)
>
>Some one told me that a guy played drums called "Matt
>Johnson" for Jeff Buckley at the Glastonbary festival in
>England last summer, Jeff introduced him as "the Matt Johnson?"
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
...................................
By the light of thine eyes I see,
A shadow of past hurt and ecstacy.
...................................
Peter Bambang Love
------------------------------
From: Lisa Moran
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: jeff buckley
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:40:39 +0930
Message-Id: <199604090110.KAA16978@box.satech.net.au>
i was also wondering about the jeff buckley connection..on all of his CD's Matt Johnson is credited with drums, percussion and 'vibes' on one song, even co'wrote a couple. I heard the Glastonbury festival on radio where he was introduced as 'The Matt Johnson" (what jeff actually said was "I don't mean to brag, but i have Matt Johnson on drums!")
Theres also a track on the solitude EP (Dolphins) which Tim Buckley originally did..
What i was wondering is when Jeff Buckely toured in Australia, did his band (and therefore matt) come down as well? I read a review of one of his shows in which the drummer was praised at great length (not something you see everyday) as having an extremely original and diverse range of styles but his name wasn't mentioned...
------------------------------
From: Jan Wirken
To: Lisa Moran
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: jeff buckley
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:35:56 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
I went to Jeff Buckley in Paradiso Amsterdam and I can assure you all
that the Matt Johnson was not on drums.
Jan.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'll never get out of this world alive", Hank Williams
e-mail: jwirken@robeco.nl
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (Slide Projector Lie Detector)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Pop parade
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:25:23 +0100
Message-Id: <96040910252332@mozart.which.co.uk>
'Top' tunesmiths and songwriters, in my opinion:
- --> Matt Johnson (!)
- --> Nicholas Curry (MOMUS) - Absolutely brilliant, totally underrated and just
continues to improve
- --> Beautiful South/Paul Heaton - Inspired pop genius, again underrated, not
exactly the critics friend.
- --> Elvis Costello.
- --> Lou Reed. Solo + Velvets
- --> Stephen Duffy/ Lilac Time. - 'Nice' but brilliant tunesmith, simple yet
effective lyrics, emerging as the Elder Statesman of Britpop.
- --> Blur. Modern Life is Rubbish is a masterpiece, I reckon.
- --> Lloyd Cole
- --> REM.
- --> The Auteurs. Especially New Wave.
- --> Also rans: Talking Heads, Pulp, Paul Weller circa Jam, Billy Bragg,
RadioHead, The Lightening Seeds (a finely tuned pop spirit).
There you go,
Jake.
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: once in a lifetime
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:54:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
the tower records near me is having this huge sale on import cd singles.
i bought both cds of the slow emotion replay single. since i already
have these, i am offering them at cost and postage to anyone who wants
them. disc one has the three foetus remixes of dogs of lust, disc two
has the scenes from arctic twilight stuff. this is a package deal, i
don't need either of them. they only cost me $2 each, so $7 should cover
both of them and postage. sound fair? first person to email me gets them...
- ---------------------------------------------------------
"For a handful of pebbles and my father's sharp profile, my mother left
home and never returned. Imagine a handful of pebbles. The casual way
he tossed them at her as she was walking home from school with her
girlfriends. He did this because he liked her and wanted to let her
know. Boys are dumb that way, my mother told me."
------------------------------
From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: jeff buckley
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:37:56 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960409133040.234fdc60@haven.uniserve.com>
Speaking of people named Matt Johnson, have any of you ever done a search on
the web for Matt Johnson and found Matt Johnson, only to discover it was
just some kid named Matt Johnson with a web site of his own and it had
nothing to do with The The at all? I don't think his site is working anymore
as i tried to write him e'mail telling him to change his name as he was
unworthy and it didn't work.
At 05:41 AM 4/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Did someone spike the punch or have you all gone mad? I heard Matt was
working at my local car wash as a rag boy. I decided to do some keen
detective work, and alas I discovered that it was not "our" Matt, but
rather, somebody using the ultra-rare Matthew/Johnson combo. ;' (thought my
comments might neccesitate the smoker)
>
>----------
>From: Lisa Moran[SMTP:moran@box.satech.net.au]
>Sent: Monday, April 08, 1996 9:40 PM
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>Subject: jeff buckley
>
>>i was also wondering about the jeff buckley connection..on all of his CD's
>Matt Johnson is credited with drums, percussion and 'vibes' on one song,
>even co'wrote a couple.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
>~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
>~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
------------------------------
From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pop parade
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:37:59 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960409133043.226f21a0@haven.uniserve.com>
I agree with you ona few. Beautiful South with Paul Heaton is absolutely
brilliant, as well as their predesecor the Housemartins. Billy Bragg is good
as well, but not great musically. Lloyd Cole = ok :)
At 10:25 AM 4/9/96 +0100, you wrote:
>'Top' tunesmiths and songwriters, in my opinion:
>--> Matt Johnson (!)
>--> Nicholas Curry (MOMUS) - Absolutely brilliant, totally underrated and just
>continues to improve
>--> Beautiful South/Paul Heaton - Inspired pop genius, again underrated, not
>exactly the critics friend.
>--> Elvis Costello.
>--> Lou Reed. Solo + Velvets
>--> Stephen Duffy/ Lilac Time. - 'Nice' but brilliant tunesmith, simple yet
>effective lyrics, emerging as the Elder Statesman of Britpop.
>--> Blur. Modern Life is Rubbish is a masterpiece, I reckon.
>--> Lloyd Cole
>--> REM.
>--> The Auteurs. Especially New Wave.
>--> Also rans: Talking Heads, Pulp, Paul Weller circa Jam, Billy Bragg,
>RadioHead, The Lightening Seeds (a finely tuned pop spirit).
>
>There you go,
>Jake.
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
------------------------------
From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: David Palmer
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:51:48 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB2677.EB22A2E0@ppp-mia-50.shadow.net>
On Wednesday, April 10, 1996 11:50 AM, Douglas H Walker[SMTP:dhwalker@iastate.edu] wrote:
>This line of conversation about Palmer, brought to mind another
>question. My wife's sister went to see Rod Stewart in concert, and heard
>that his drummer used to be with the The. Could this be Palmer, or is
>this someone else?
>
>-walker
>
It's Palmer. He left the DUSK tour just before theThe began with DM. Does anybody else feel funny about theThe opening for DM?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Giles Goddard
Sender: giles@zelda.nintendo.co.jp
To: Infected mailing list <"infected@cs.uchicago.edu"@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Subject: David Palmer
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:25:22 +0900
Message-ID: <316B4642.2781@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Hi all,
I'm new round these parts so please excuse the intrusion...
Its good to see such a strong TheThe following on the
Internet. I didn't realise there were so many fans,
especially in the states!! Is this only recently or has there
always been alot of fans there?
Anyways, does anyone know what David Palmer is up to these
days? He seemed to disappear after Mind Bomb.
I saw an article in Q magazine about a re-release of
ABC's Lexicon Of Love recently but they didnt mention
what he (or any of the others) were doing now.
And James Eller?
any ideas?
giles
------------------------------
From: Giles Goddard
Sender: giles@zelda.nintendo.co.jp
To: Infected mailing list <"infected@cs.uchicago.edu"@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Subject: Re: David Palmer
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:15:38 +0900
Message-ID: <316B6E2A.41C6@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Richard wrote:
>
> Just between me and you. Is there going to be a re-release of ABC's Lexicon
> of Love?!/ I listen to it al lthe time! Actualyy i think its so totaly
> pathetic, most pathetic 80's album, but somehow its funny and interesting to
> listen to. I mean, dumb but sometimes clever lyrics and totaly overdramatic :)
>
Yep. They're re-releasing it on CD with an extra 7 remixes tagged on the
end. Q gave the album 5 out of 5 stars (very rare for Q) saying it was
*the* album that summed up the '80s.
I dont know what I'd make of it now though, I thought it
was brilliant back then, used to listen to it all the time.
I do always remember their albums being very well (if not over) produced/mixed.
Alphabet City was another fave of mine, full of all those
little touches that take time to do. Much like Infected (getting back
to TheThe :) ... I saw on here a few days ago someone saying that Matt Johnson
was tripping most of the time Infected was recorded. I really cant believe
that, I dont think anyone can make something as tight and clever as that
when you dont even remember what studio you're in from one day to the next.
giles
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: the cd singles
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:42:34 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
got a really big response for those two singles, too many folks to write
back to, so if i didn't get back to you, assume someone beat you to it.
thanks for the interest, i will always keep my eye out for good cheap stuff.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
And I rode across the border."
------------------------------
From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: David Palmer
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:50:58 CDT
Message-Id: <9604101550.AA27065@pv3449.vincent.iastate.edu>
This line of conversation about Palmer, brought to mind another
question. My wife's sister went to see Rod Stewart in concert, and heard
that his drummer used to be with the The. Could this be Palmer, or is
this someone else?
- -walker
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: dogs of lust
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 00:14:25
Message-Id: <199604110409.AAA13050@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>
>A friend of mine told me what she thought the song "Dogs of Lust" was
>really about and I don't agree. What's your interpretation of the lyrics?
> Wendy
i think it's about Morrissey.
JaY
(actually, I think it's about SEX.Period.)
********************************************************************
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
********************************************************************
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: dogs of lust
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:35:43 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
A friend of mine told me what she thought the song "Dogs of Lust" was
really about and I don't agree. What's your interpretation of the lyrics?
Wendy
------------------------------
From: Giles Goddard
Sender: giles@zelda.nintendo.co.jp
To: Infected mailing list <"infected@cs.uchicago.edu"@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Subject: Re: David Palmer
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:11:32 +0900
Message-ID: <316CA294.167E@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Ian Wrote:
> It's Palmer. He left the DUSK tour just before theThe began with DM. Does anybody else feel funny > about theThe opening for DM?
I think its quite a good combination. Wish I'd gone to see 'em.
Do you know who replaced Palmer BTW?
giles
------------------------------
From: Giles Goddard
Sender: giles@zelda.nintendo.co.jp
To: Infected mailing list <"infected@cs.uchicago.edu"@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Subject: Re: dogs of lust
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:15:55 +0900
Message-ID: <316CA39B.2781@fumin.nintendo.co.jp>
Woltjer, Wendy - Canton wrote:
>
> A friend of mine told me what she thought the song "Dogs of Lust" was
> really about and I don't agree. What's your interpretation of the lyrics?
> Wendy
erm. Lustful things?
Reminds me of a Pink Floyd song called Dogs of War. Much the
same lyrically, slightly different subject though :)
giles
------------------------------
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: NO SUBJECT
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 05:19:30 EDT
Message-Id: <199604110919.EAA15216@cs.uchicago.edu>
Just out of interest - was the tour promoting Dusk called the 'Dusk Tour'?
Over here (UK) it was called the Jingle Hell tour...as you can probably guess
it was just before Christmas.
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*** Forwarding note from I5053524--IBMMAIL 11/04/96 10:10 ***
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:46:04 +0900
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: Peter Bambang
>It's Palmer. He left the DUSK tour just before theThe began with DM. Does
>>anybody else feel funny about theThe opening for DM?
To have missed such a show of two grand exponents of humanity plays on my
heart and mind continually. One day I'll finally be granted an opportunity
to see one or both of them live; alas that day is not nigh...
Because of the stature of theThe and DM I'm not sure that one was
supporting the other. How was it promoted? In the scheme of things I'd
probably like to see each on seperate occasions, on their own stages, in
their own worlds.
...................................
To permit thine fingers of bless
To caress this flesh of mine.
...................................
Peter Bambang Love
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From: Peter Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:46:04 +0900
Message-Id:
>It's Palmer. He left the DUSK tour just before theThe began with DM. Does
>>anybody else feel funny about theThe opening for DM?
To have missed such a show of two grand exponents of humanity plays on my
heart and mind continually. One day I'll finally be granted an opportunity
to see one or both of them live; alas that day is not nigh...
Because of the stature of theThe and DM I'm not sure that one was
supporting the other. How was it promoted? In the scheme of things I'd
probably like to see each on seperate occasions, on their own stages, in
their own worlds.
...................................
To permit thine fingers of bless
To caress this flesh of mine.
...................................
Peter Bambang Love
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Cc: lsamper@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: bob enyart/no smiths or moz
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:35:54
Message-Id: <199604111530.LAA10397@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>Hi,
>
>
>This message does not have any direct the The material...so there ya go.
>
>Bob Enyart is a cable tv talk show host. This is the discription from his
>own home page (http://www2.csn.net/benyart/index.html):
>
>"Bob Enyart is the nation's most popular,
>self-proclaimed, right-wing, religious fanatic,
>homophobic, anti-choice talk show host."
>
>another quote from his page:
>
>"Many say he's 'Righter than Rush.'"
>
>This pretty much covers what type of person he is, but if you've ever seen
>his show...you know it's much worse.
>
>So why am I sending this to the list? Because he has a list of
>sponsors/supporters--one of which is microsoft
>(http://www2.csn.net/benyart/page/support.htm).
>I have a problem with this and i hope you do too.
>
>I plan on writing Microsoft a letter very close to this one, and would
> like a
>lot of names for support. If you agree, send me a message with "agree" in
>the subject heading. If not, sorry for wasting your time.
>
>JaY
------------------------------
From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:58:22 CDT
Message-Id: <9604111358.AA14021@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
cc:
Subject:Ambitious
- -\-------
Yesterday I was in my local magazine shop perusing the music mags for
reviews of new releases when I happened upon a one paragraph review of an
album called Ambitious. It's a compilation album of various artists who
were supposedly influential in the British alternative scene. One of the
artists mentioned was "Matt Johnson (The The)". Unfortunately no track
was listed. Anyone have any information on this?
- -walker
------------------------------
From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:06:04 CDT
Message-Id: <9604111506.AA14165@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
cc:
Subject:theThe and DM
- --------
I just sent out a similar message as the following, but I believe I sent
it directly to the person to whom I was replying so I don't know if it'll
be posted on the list. If there is a similar post from me on this same
subject, I apologize.
Yes, I did find it odd that DM and the The toured together. I saw the
show in Minneapolis, and the The put on a great show. Unfortunately
99.9% of the crowd didn't give a rip. They were teenagers waiting for DM
to start. It was a little annoying trying to watch the The while
surrounded by DM fans who were talking and continually walking/standing
in front of me. This is in no way meant to be a cut on DM fans, I
certainly have ignored my share of opening acts, but I don't understand
how they paired the two bands. I can't imagine a lot of people who are
fans of both. Are they on the same label, or do they have the same
agent? As far as who was the starring act, it was very clear that this
was a Depeche Mode concert. I don't recall hearing a single ad which
even mentioned theThe. I did feel a little vindicated when the
Minneapolis StarTribune lauded theThe and panned DM the next day in the
paper. I in no one want to put down DM; I can take them or leave them,
but I didn't stick around for their show.
- -walker
------------------------------
From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: conversation starter
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:29:25 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB279A.309A8360@ppp-mia-72.shadow.net>
On Tuesday, April 23, 1996 5:58 PM, Douglas H =
Walker[SMTP:dhwalker@iastate.edu] wrote:
>"The The? That's a weird name. What kind of music is that?"
>"Um. . . Um. . . It's hard to explain. You really have to hear it."
>
>I hate categorizing music more than anyone, but at the same time =
it's=20
>nice to be able to describe a band or musician's "sound" to someone =
who=20
>hasn't heard them. How do you/have you described the The to others =
who=20
>haven't heard his music? The best I've been able to come up with is =
>describing it as minimalistic punk/blues. Any other ideas out =
there?
>
>-walker
>
I've always replied..."Have you ever taken a Jazz Dance class?--well, =
there you go" or the ever-popular psyschedelic/funk/chant. Seriously =
though, I think I'd tell them it's a twisted little man with a wonderful =
band that howls thorny truisms at you. IMHO
______________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:=20
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit..."--Bob Marley
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From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: RE: Tour Name
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:48:01 -0700
Message-ID:
I think it was the Lonely Planet tour. At least that's what the poster
on my wall says...
As for the The touring with DM, it was definitely billed as a DM show,
but instead of the The opening for DM, I like to look at it as DM
closing for the The. I saw it in Denver and although I'm not much of a
DM fan, I was impressed with them. I was also a bit disappointed that
the The only played for 30+ minutes.
Doug
>----------
>From: blair@uk.ibm.com[SMTP:blair@uk.ibm.com]
>Sent: Thursday, April 11, 1996 2:19 AM
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>Subject: NO SUBJECT
>
>
>Just out of interest - was the tour promoting Dusk called the 'Dusk
>Tour'?
>
>Over here (UK) it was called the Jingle Hell tour...as you can probably
>guess
>it was just before Christmas.
>
>
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From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: the dogs of lust
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:48:55 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB284F.9B9FF720@ppp-mia-65.shadow.net>
On Thursday, April 11, 1996 4:29 PM, Woltjer, Wendy - =
Canton[SMTP:woltjerw@metronet.lib.mi.us] wrote:
>Hello all,
> I'm surprised you have such a narrow definition of lust. Desire
>comes in many different forms and focuses on various things/people. =
Of=20
>course the song is about lust. My friend said she thought Matt was=20
>singing about lust for oneself....i.e. masturbation, and how you =
can't=20
>deny/suppress the urge. I would think this might foster some =
discussion=20
>among people who like to analyze MJ's lyrics, but maybe not.
> Wendy
>
>
>
I always thought it was about the internal fight against lustful =
desires. You know, the whole; "I'll be looking over your shoulder for =
something new" thread. However, upon watching From Dusk till Dawn, I've =
come to the conclusion that the song's meaning is much more mundane i.e. =
The ugly women of porn. For a while, I thought this most-recent =
conclusion was a tongue-in-cheek ploy of Matt's. But upon analysis, it =
makes sense that Dogs was written about such a superficial topic, as it =
is the most superficial song on the album read:single, and when I say =
single--I mean it was meant to be a single from its inception. Similar =
to The Beaten Generation. On both songs he clearly attempted to make a =
radio-ready masterpiece (albeit better than 97.3% of the other tunes on =
the air).
=20
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: NO SUBJECT
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:02:51 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960411115527.485fd6e8@haven.uniserve.com>
I beleive here (Canada/US) it was called "lonely planet tour", at least
thats what my T-shirt says :)
richard
At 05:19 AM 4/11/96 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Just out of interest - was the tour promoting Dusk called the 'Dusk Tour'?
>
>Over here (UK) it was called the Jingle Hell tour...as you can probably guess
>it was just before Christmas.
>
>Blair Downs
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>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:46:04 +0900
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>From: Peter Bambang
>
>>It's Palmer. He left the DUSK tour just before theThe began with DM. Does
>>>anybody else feel funny about theThe opening for DM?
>
>To have missed such a show of two grand exponents of humanity plays on my
>heart and mind continually. One day I'll finally be granted an opportunity
>to see one or both of them live; alas that day is not nigh...
>
>Because of the stature of theThe and DM I'm not sure that one was
>supporting the other. How was it promoted? In the scheme of things I'd
>probably like to see each on seperate occasions, on their own stages, in
>their own worlds.
>
>...................................
>To permit thine fingers of bless
>To caress this flesh of mine.
>...................................
>Peter Bambang Love
>
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"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
------------------------------
From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: titles and such
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:12:01 -0700
Message-Id: <199604112112.OAA22177@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
i'm about 3 weeks behind in email opening, so this reponse although a
tad bit out of sync is none the less sincere.
just some thoughts:
the Soul Mine is pretty nifty
I love the Pornography of Despair, let the police try to figure it out
I really like the Loney, lost and Lustful one too
Or how about Some Bizarre
euthelene
------------------------------
From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: DM / the The tour
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:26:32 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Douglas H Walker wrote:
> Yes, I did find it odd that DM and the The toured together. I saw the
> show in Minneapolis, and the The put on a great show. Unfortunately
> 99.9% of the crowd didn't give a rip. They were teenagers waiting for DM
> to start. It was a little annoying trying to watch the The while
> surrounded by DM fans who were talking and continually walking/standing
> in front of me. This is in no way meant to be a cut on DM fans, I
> certainly have ignored my share of opening acts, but I don't understand
> how they paired the two bands. I can't imagine a lot of people who are
> fans of both. Are they on the same label, or do they have the same
> agent? As far as who was the starring act, it was very clear that this
> was a Depeche Mode concert. I don't recall hearing a single ad which
> even mentioned theThe. I did feel a little vindicated when the
> Minneapolis StarTribune lauded theThe and panned DM the next day in the
> paper. I in no one want to put down DM; I can take them or leave them,
> but I didn't stick around for their show.
>
> -walker
>
I talked to a girl who was was a friend of a friend at the local
video store a little while ago -- you still with me :)
At some point in the conversation we started to discuss music,
which was fine until she started to list her favourite bands: Pearl Jam,
Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden ... Depeche Mode. At that point of the
conversation I felt the need to speak up (feel free to flame me, but I
think DM BLOWS! They stink!). I told her this, mentioning they had no
right to play with the The. She responded "the The was the opening band?
They were so bad that I didn't take notice ... besides nobody wanted to
hear them, we were only there for DM." Needless to say that last comment
pissed me off, so we took the conversation elsewhere.
Hearing her response I'd be tempted to say that DM / the The was a
bad match. Besides, all of the DM fans that I know don't really seem to
appreciate the genius of MJ's music -- yeah, yeah I know I made a HUGE
generalization, but that is what I have noticed.
S.B. :)
_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."
-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: dogs of lust
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:30:15 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Woltjer, Wendy - Canton wrote:
>
> A friend of mine told me what she thought the song "Dogs of Lust" was
> really about and I don't agree. What's your interpretation of the lyrics?
> Wendy
Being nosey and curious - what was your friend's interpretation?
_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."
-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: gemuetlichkeit
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: theThe and DM
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:33:25 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199604112133.RAA00209@ns1.ptd.net>
[recently on infected]
>Yes, I did find it odd that DM and the The toured together. I saw the
>show in Minneapolis, and the The put on a great show. Unfortunately
>99.9% of the crowd didn't give a rip. They were teenagers waiting for DM
>to start. It was a little annoying trying to watch the The while
>surrounded by DM fans who were talking and continually walking/standing
>in front of me. This is in no way meant to be a cut on DM fans, I
>certainly have ignored my share of opening acts, but I don't understand
>how they paired the two bands. I can't imagine a lot of people who are
>fans of both. Are they on the same label, or do they have the same
>agent? As far as who was the starring act, it was very clear that this
>was a Depeche Mode concert. I don't recall hearing a single ad which
>even mentioned theThe. I did feel a little vindicated when the
>Minneapolis StarTribune lauded theThe and panned DM the next day in the
>paper. I in no one want to put down DM; I can take them or leave them,
>but I didn't stick around for their show.
well, i never understood why they were stuck together either-i just took as
a stroke of extremely good luck. a chance to see theThe, one of my favourite
bands, whom i'd never seen before, and another chance to see dM, my
favourite band. so, in reply to another statement of yours, yes, there are
fans of both. a few friends of mine and myself. matter of fact, one of my
friends was introduced to theThe by way of that concert-now they're his
second favourite band.
and yes, i also thought theThe were better than dM at that show. except the
harmonica mic was a bit too loud... :)
ttyl/fn!
he of the many nicknames:
tenderspot of the daphne, euroboy, life'sedge, moebius, ick, gregor...
euroboy@postoffice.ptd.net
comedy is the last refuge of the nonconformist mind.
i come to you, defences down, with the trust of a child.
------------------------------
From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: dogs of lust
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:21:35 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604112321.AAA17457@GPO.iol.ie>
>On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Woltjer, Wendy - Canton wrote:
>
>
> A friend of mine told me what she thought the song "Dogs of Lust" was
> really about and I don't agree. What's your interpretation of the lyrics?
Wendy
>At 15:30 11/04/96 -0600, Smiley Boy wrote:
> Being nosey and curious - what was your friend's interpretation?
>
And now C. O'Brien asks,
What I.Q did this friend have??? (if she didn't think it was
about..er, Lust)
------------------------------
From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: snide remarks
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
Hello all,
I'm surprised you have such a narrow definition of lust. Desire
comes in many different forms and focuses on various things/people. Of
course the song is about lust. My friend said she thought Matt was
singing about lust for oneself....i.e. masturbation, and how you can't
deny/suppress the urge. I would think this might foster some discussion
among people who like to analyze MJ's lyrics, but maybe not.
Wendy
------------------------------
From: ceylon
To: "'infected'"
Subject: Hanky Panky review by CDnow
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:41:50 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB27EF.B5748540@ppp-mia-70.shadow.net>
For those of you who have visited the CDnow website and read the =
aforementioned review, you probably already know what comment I take =
issue with. As I'm always trying to get feedback on theThe's music, I =
read the above mentioned review on the Hanky...phew! they really =
hammered Matt. I'd quote it for ya, but I found it more interesting to =
read the other theThe reviews as well. In fact, Mind Bomb scored a 9 of =
ten if I remember correctly.
http://cdnow.com --If you reload the page a few times it's possible =
to get the page with the "Jukebox" link.
______________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:=20
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit..."--Bob Marley
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From: stk2266@pollux.stockton.edu
To: <@thethe2.stockton.edu>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 23:35:07 EDT
Message-Id: <199604120335.WAA00739@cs.uchicago.edu>
I think THE THE would be a good opening band for DM (I'm assumming you mean
Dave Matthews). It might be good for the DM fans, kind of expose them to
some real heartfelt music with meaningful lyrics.
Actually, I think THE THE would be a good opening band for +LIVE+. I doubt
many people would agree with me, but they're my two favorite bands, and
seeing them together would be incredible.
-Shawn
------------------------------
From: stk2266@pollux.stockton.edu
To: <@thethe2.stockton.edu>
Subject: nevermind
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 23:37:34 EDT
Message-Id: <199604120337.WAA00757@cs.uchicago.edu>
Sorry...I just realised that DM stands for Deepeche Mode...my bad.
-Shawn
------------------------------
From: Ray Blumel
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: wow
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:55:14 -0400
Message-ID: <316DD422.AC3@ix.netcom.com>
Please dont compare the The to Dave Matthews, the two dont even compare
with the drivel that DMB, oozes...
Wow,
Ray
------------------------------
From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The and DM
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
I saw the The and DM in september '93 in Quebec City (I guess it was the
first date of the North American -Lonely Planet- tour). Let me tell you
that it was definitely a DM concert. Most of the people arrived in the
middle of Matt's show, and it was obvious that the major part of the crowd
were not the The fans. After a good but quiet performance, DM arrived with a
stage three times as big, all their gadgets, and a hyperactive Dave Gahan. I
still wonder why they matched them together. but I'm glad they did,
because I would have never been able to see Matt live. Still feels like a
dream to me (the The is not even written on my concert ticket). I think
about my chance every time I pass near the coliseum.
Hope to attend to a show with real fans someday.
Marie
------------------------------
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The and DM
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:22:26 EDT
Message-Id: <199604120922.EAA09090@cs.uchicago.edu>
I've seen the The a couple of times now, and it's interesting how much their
live style had changed.
The first was September '89 for the 'The The Versus The World' tour, at the
Portsmouth Guildhall. The lineup was Johnson, Marr, Eller, Palmer and
Collard, plus female backing vocalist. They really (as much as is possible)
'rocked out' that night, it was great. They opened with an upbeat 'Sweet
Bird of Truth' that got people moshing down at the front. The Portsmouth
Guildhall is an excellent venue as well, it's big enough to get a great
atmosphere but small enough to get really close.
The second time was December '93 for the 'Jingle Hell' tour, again at the
Portsmouth Guildhall. This time the line-up had changed considerably - no
Marr or Eller. It was a much more 'relaxed' gig than the previous one, not
so much 'rocking out' - but the trade-off was that they played superbly and
Matt's voice had improved greatly. The sound was excellent, it was almost
like listening to a studio version rather than live. Having said that, I
enjoyed the first concert more - I like to jump about!
Blair Downs
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 23:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The and DM
I saw the The and DM in september '93 in Quebec City (I guess it was the
first date of the North American -Lonely Planet- tour). Let me tell you
that it was definitely a DM concert. Most of the people arrived in the
middle of Matt's show, and it was obvious that the major part of the crowd
were not the The fans. After a good but quiet performance, DM arrived with a
stage three times as big, all their gadgets, and a hyperactive Dave Gahan. I
still wonder why they matched them together. but I'm glad they did,
because I would have never been able to see Matt live. Still feels like a
dream to me (the The is not even written on my concert ticket). I think
about my chance every time I pass near the coliseum.
Hope to attend to a show with real fans someday.
Marie
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: snide remarks
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:06:19 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604122306.AAA13177@GPO.iol.ie>
At 20:29 11/04/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello all,
> I'm surprised you have such a narrow definition of lust. Desire
>comes in many different forms and focuses on various things/people. Of
>course the song is about lust. My friend said she thought Matt was
>singing about lust for oneself....i.e. masturbation, and how you can't
>deny/suppress the urge. I would think this might foster some discussion
>among people who like to analyze MJ's lyrics, but maybe not.
> Wendy
>
ok, ok, sorry about the IQ remark....
I would think Matt is treating Lust though, on a macrolevel rather than a
microlevel, personally, ....it seems to be a little too atmospheric and
heavy (in my opinion) to be about something as mundane as
masturbation...although I can see how that friend of yours got that into her
head:
When you're Lustful and you're Lonely, and heat is rising......
But masturbation does seem to be a little too lightweight a subject, when
you consider the subject matter of Out of the Blue (Into the Fire)....
Carl
:>)
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: newsgroup
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 01:31:25
Message-Id: <199604130525.BAA02574@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
I've decided to create a the The newsgroup and wanted to know what everyone
on here thinks.
There are ones for every other shitty artist...so I guess matt deserves one
too.
This will be good because I'm sure there are a lot of the The fans out there
that don't like getting lots of email or are casual fans.
I think you need 200 people to do this...anyone knowledgable in the area of
creating these?
JaY
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http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
- ----ALL NEW!-------------------------
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From: stk2266@pollux.stockton.edu
To: <@thethe2.stockton.edu>
Subject: Re:WOW
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 11:41:13 EDT
Message-Id: <199604131541.KAA12025@cs.uchicago.edu>
>Please dont compare the The to Dave Matthews, the two dont even compare
>with the drivel that DMB, oozes...
>
>Wow,
>
>Ray
For the Record:
I don't think that the "ooze" that DMB produces even compares to THE THE.
That's why I thought they would be a good opening band for them. To expose
DMB fans to some really good music. When I saw someone talking about Matt
touring with "DM" I had forgotten about the Deepeche Mode tour. I think an
opening slot for DMB or even +LIVE+ would be a step down for Matt, but
because of the popularity of +LIVE+ and DMB (at least in the U.S.) if Matt
were to tour with either band it would would have to be as an opening band.
I'm done.
-Shawn
------------------------------
From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: snide remarks
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:06:51 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
> Sorry I lost the original post so just pretend it is quoted here
>OK! :) I'm going to put my two bits in on the song (Dogs of Lust).
Rising, Rising, Rising, Rising Slowly?????
To be honest, I'd never even thought of the masturbation angle I
always took the song at face value ... you know about being alone
and lustful! I think one of the more recent the The slogans could be
quotable here:
Lost.
Lustful.
Lonely.
I can see the masturbation issue as well, but I guess to me that could be
an overtone in the song rather than the main point. To delve into the
issue Wendy's friend brought up further I guess you could almost cite the
video as evidence for the masturbation issue. The camera spends most of
its time zoomed in on Matt's face (dripping with sweat) in a darkened room
lit by a red light. Throughout the video Matt seems totally engrossed in
what he's doing -- hmmm? But isn't that what masturbation is ... self
gratification? By doing what Matt does (pouring his soul out for his
admiring fans and allow us to pitty him and in doing so pittying
ourselves) he is getting the gratification he so desires. Am I making
sense or is the class on literature of the Romantic era just
getting to my head!
In reading what I just wrote I think Wendy's friend might have a
very valid point ... although it is something you really must dig for.
Yeah, yeah just another warped post by someone who has way too
much time! What are everybody else's thoughts on the topic?
skot :)
_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."
-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the the remixes
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 01:03:32 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604140003.BAA09835@GPO.iol.ie>
Just wondering, what the general consensus is on the The remixes...
>From a personal standpoint, I feel The Violence of Truth remix, is brill.
(love the harmonica solo) but ain't too fond of that Dogs Of Lust germicide
remix, on Solitude.
What do others think?
Carl.
------------------------------
From: Dirt pig
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: Junk Mail
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 02:44:00 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB29AC.483EA780@ppp-mia-45.shadow.net>
On Friday, April 26, 1996 6:50 PM, rbs@cyberworld.com wrote:
>Hello, is anybody home?
>
>This list goes pretty strong for a while, then dies out
>incredibly quick...
>
>Just want to see some mail from Infected, even if it's my
>own stupid message.
>
I know the feeling...seeing as there have been so many unsubscribes lately, maybe I should just send this reply directly to you.
______________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit..."--Bob Marley
- ---------------------------------------------------------
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From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: videos and popularity
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 04:51:16 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB29BE.185884C0@ppp-mia-44.shadow.net>
Howdy,
If there's anybody left on the list, I was wondering if you felt that =
Matt should market his medium more towards mtv. I noticed that he =
hooked up with one of he most popular contemporary video directors ( =
Samuel Bayer) for I saw the Light, and that was an extraordinary video =
despite the song IMO. I can only imagine what acclaim theThe would draw =
if they (he) were to present a similar quality video for original =
material. In a nutshell, how do you feel about Matt bringing in "hired =
gun" to help sell the song or album? Good or bad?
My honest opinion is...he expended a lot of video energy in the Infected =
film and received quite a lot of negative feedback from his record =
company, therefore he's compensated by producing cheeser vids ever =
since. And I would welcome a fancy video if it helped our boy.
______________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:=20
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit..."--Bob Marley
- ---------------------------------------------------------
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From: Peter Caira
To: "C.O' Brien"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the the remixes
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 12:47:48 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, C.O' Brien wrote:
> Just wondering, what the general consensus is on the The remixes...
> >From a personal standpoint, I feel The Violence of Truth remix, is brill.
> (love the harmonica solo) but ain't too fond of that Dogs Of Lust germicide
> remix, on Solitude.
I like all of the remixes, especially the three remixes of Dogs of Lust
on the Slow Emotion Replay single...
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the the remixes
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 04:22:27 EDT
Message-Id: <199604150822.DAA20567@cs.uchicago.edu>
I'm with you on the Violence of Truth remix Carl - the Armageddon Days DNA
remix is (I feel) even better! It wasn't so long ago that to hear a version
like that would have made me cringe, but maybe I'm just getting more open
- -minded.
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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 01:03:32 +0100 (BST)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: "C.O' Brien"
Subject: the the remixes
Just wondering, what the general consensus is on the The remixes...
>From a personal standpoint, I feel The Violence of Truth remix, is brill.
(love the harmonica solo) but ain't too fond of that Dogs Of Lust germicide
remix, on Solitude.
What do others think?
Carl.
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From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: RE: newsgroup
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:48:28 -0700
Message-ID:
>----------
>From: luster@gnn.com[SMTP:luster@gnn.com]
>
>I've decided to create a the The newsgroup and wanted to know what
>everyone
>on here thinks.
I'll give you my opinions, but first with the disclaimer that none of
this is intended as a flame at all, just as my opinion. With that said,
I'd have to say that I don't think there's a reason for a The The
newsgroup.
>There are ones for every other shitty artist...so I guess matt deserves
>one
>too.
I don't read the newsgroups much, because all of the posts are as
shitty, too. Seems like 85% of the posts are debates about what
"alternative" means, and whether band XYZ rocks or sucks, and are
crossposted to every alt.music.whatever newsgroup. Maybe this is too
broad of a generalization since I haven't read too many different band
newsgroups, but this is my experience with the ones I've read.
>This will be good because I'm sure there are a lot of the The fans out
>there
>that don't like getting lots of email or are casual fans.
Althought the list has been busier lately (good!), I wouldn't exactly
say that it's overloading my mailbox.
>I think you need 200 people to do this...anyone knowledgable in the
>area of
>creating these?
Don't know.
- -Doug
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: newsgroup
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 04:26:48 EDT
Message-Id: <199604160826.DAA13190@cs.uchicago.edu>
I think if enough people want it, that's reason enough for a newsgroup...
...if someone is offering to set one up, I don't see the problem with that.
If people don't want it, they don't have to use it - simple eh?
The only reason I would have reservations about a newsgroup would be if, as
a direct result, 'infected' dried up, which would be a shame.
Blair
*** Forwarding note from I5053524--IBMMAIL 15/04/96 22:41 ***
From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: RE: newsgroup
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:48:28 -0700
>----------
>From: luster@gnn.comYSMTP:luster@gnn.com?
>
>I've decided to create a the The newsgroup and wanted to know what
>everyone
>on here thinks.
I'll give you my opinions, but first with the disclaimer that none of
this is intended as a flame at all, just as my opinion. With that said,
I'd have to say that I don't think there's a reason for a The The
newsgroup.
>There are ones for every other shitty artist...so I guess matt deserves
>one
>too.
I don't read the newsgroups much, because all of the posts are as
shitty, too. Seems like 85% of the posts are debates about what
"alternative" means, and whether band XYZ rocks or sucks, and are
crossposted to every alt.music.whatever newsgroup. Maybe this is too
broad of a generalization since I haven't read too many different band
newsgroups, but this is my experience with the ones I've read.
>This will be good because I'm sure there are a lot of the The fans out
>there
>that don't like getting lots of email or are casual fans.
Althought the list has been busier lately (good!), I wouldn't exactly
say that it's overloading my mailbox.
>I think you need 200 people to do this...anyone knowledgable in the
>area of
>creating these?
Don't know.
- -Doug
>
>
>
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Set List
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:24:38 -0400
Message-Id: <9604161624.AA25980@cyberworld.com>
To the lucky folks that managed to see theThe live, does anybody
have a set list or remember what was played?
------------------------------
From: Andrzej Olaczek
To: "infected@cs.uchicago.edu"
Subject: I'm new one
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 12:45:41 -0500
Message-Id: <4D66492932@zr.ita.pwr.wroc.pl>
hi
hi , I'm new one on infected and I hope I'll have some fun.
- --
Andrzej Olaczek
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: the The
Subject: foetus
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:48:43 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
Just a short missive. Thanks to whoever it was on this list who
suggested that Foetus was a must-buy artist/band (?). I found a second
hand copy of Gash, and have been quite happy with it... so much so it has
supplanted my theThe home listening (still listening to plenty of theThe at
work) for the time being. A question though... how is he related with MJ
(not genetically, but artistically)?
Anyhow, in returning to a previous question as to the Dogs of Lust
remixes, I tend to agree with the individual (sorry, I can't remember the
name) who stated that both DoL and Beaten Generation were contrived as
singles... as such, I don't hold them in exceptionally high regard,
preferring what appears to be the meat of the albums to any version of
these songs (not that I am immune to catchy singles-- it was, after all,
Infected that made me a-- arghh, choke, gasp-- fan {sorry, when I think
fan, I think teeny boppers jibbering about how dishy Depeche ala Mode,
the Cure, Duran Duran are. I just makes me want to vomit.).
Well, must appear to produce knowledge.
Patrick
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Dave Matthews Band on SNL
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:51:22 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
Just a quick note for all you Dave Matthews Band fans, they will be
playing on Saturday Night Live next Saturday.
For all you non DMB fans, a quick press of the delete key will erase this
message from your computer forever! :)
_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."
-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: foetus
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
foetus and matt johnson go way back. foetus is on the soul mining album
somewhere, and he plays on flesh and bones, a wonderful compilation
track. they are old friends, and there is a picture of the two of them
on stage in the infected book (foetus under the name clint ruin).
as far as set lists, i did snag a set list from the dusk tour. the thing
is part typed, part hand written, and takes up three pages taped together:
part 1 dusk:
dis-infected, helpline operator, sodium light baby, slow emotion replay,
love is stronger than death, dogs of lust.
part 2 night:
bluer than midnight, this is the night, august and sept.
part 3 dawn:
heartland, soul mining, sweet bird of truth, violence of truth,
armageddon days, lonely planet
part 4 day (encore)
this is the day, uncertain smile, true happiness.
i think there was another track at the end that wasn't written, but i
can't remember which one it was.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
And I rode across the border."
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: blair@uk.ibm.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: newsgroup
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:30:43
Message-Id: <199604170425.AAA29042@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>I think if enough people want it, that's reason enough for a newsgroup...
>...if someone is offering to set one up, I don't see the problem with that.
>If people don't want it, they don't have to use it - simple eh?
exactly...if you're up at, say, 4am like dave is all the time, why not read
the newsgroup and post a few times?
>
>The only reason I would have reservations about a newsgroup would be if, as
>a direct result, 'infected' dried up, which would be a shame.
Infected would certainly not dry up. I know this from other groups. This is
just an option, an expansion of choices...a bigger presence for the THE--and
to think some of the fans are fighting it?
JaY
PLEASE CHECK THE "the The" stuuf I already have up...I'll be expanding it
soon!
***********************************************************************
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: rbs@cyberworld.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Set List
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 00:30:54
Message-Id: <199604170425.AAA22786@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>To the lucky folks that managed to see theThe live, does anybody
>have a set list or remember what was played?
I have one somewhere...I'll try to dig it out soon!
I do know it was mostly dusk and mind bomb.
JaY
>
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: wow
Subject: wow
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:03:10 -0700
Message-Id: <199604170103.SAA10979@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Please dont compare the The to Dave Matthews, the two dont even compare
with the drivel that DMB, oozes...
Wow,
Ray
> well i happen to like Dave Matthews, another more genuine person in
the music biz...but MJ has my heart,
on the DM and theThe tour, my radio station won the priviledge of
having the tour come to the humble town of Champaign, IL. I was
supposed to interview David Gahan et al, but the pinheads scheduled
their only "mix with those not like us" portion of their show during
theThe's performance. I call the tour manager to say I would not be
doing the interview unless it could happen after the DM part of the
show. When the tour manager heard that he went balistic, why couldn't
I do the interview blah blah blah. When I told him I was a devote
theThe fan and wouldn't miss a show of their's ever...now we're talking
down right pissed off he was. And the quote was, " Why the fuck you're
passing off one of the greatest bands for one of the least significant
bands is beyond me."
My retaliation nearly got me kicked of the air but ever time I had to
play a Depeche Mode song becauase of the concert promo thing, I ragged
on the band, called them Depeche Mold, the general manager was not
pleased.
The crazy thing is that I enjoy DM, I have a lot of their releases
including all those pesky singles with remixes and extra tracks. So
the moral of the story? I try not to let the pissy personalitites of
the band or their entourage turn me off to the music. amen.
euthelene who's still spinnig her DM disks, but has my apt plastered
with theThe and MJ posters
------------------------------
From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: 4AD-l@AMERICAN.EDU
To: uk-indie@MIT.EDU
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: trade warning alert beware
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:45:15 -0700
Message-Id: <199604170145.SAA11003@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
I am looking to trade the listed items below for theThe items. Please
send correspondance to me, not the lists--I have the goods not them =:O
theThe Cold Spell Ahead, 2 song picture disc, out of print although
I've seen discs around
theThe Infected 12" extended, skull crusher and energy remixes. out
of print.
theThe The Beat(en) Generation. Campfire and Palmer remixes, Angel.
out of print I think but I've seen quite a few of these around
The Anti-Group Big Sex, this group formed Clock DVA. great tune, out
of print. includes extended mix & "The Ocean"
Insides / Glee Club 7" promo only, 1993.
Insides tune is "Walking in Straight Lines"
Glee Club is "Bad Child's Dolly"
Email
see ya in the morning and dont forget to make the coffee. euthelene
------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: RE: foetus
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:57:32 -0700
Message-ID:
More (obvious?) trivia: Foetus remixed some (all?) of the Dogs of Lust
singles, too. He also remixed a song or two on NIN Fixed. That's what
finally made me go buy his album. I thought, "hey, if this guy remixes
stuff for two of my favorite bands, he can't be that bad." So I bought
Gash, and although it took me a while to get used to it (some of the
best albums do), I'm pretty happy with it.
- -Doug
PS. Dave, what's the song in your sig file? It seems a bit familiar to
me, but I can't place it. Don't know if I'm imagining the familiarity
or not.
>----------
>From: David B. Hirsch[SMTP:dbh@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 1996 4:07 PM
>To: The The list
>Subject: foetus
>
>foetus and matt johnson go way back. foetus is on the soul mining
>album
>somewhere, and he plays on flesh and bones, a wonderful compilation
>track. they are old friends, and there is a picture of the two of them
>
>on stage in the infected book (foetus under the name clint ruin).
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
>And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
>And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
>
>So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
>And I rode across the border."
>
>
------------------------------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: foetus
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 21:06:04 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199604170206.VAA29897@gargoyle.cs.uchicago.edu>
the respected and revered Doug Chase spake thusly:
> So I bought
> Gash, and although it took me a while to get used to it (some of the
> best albums do), I'm pretty happy with it.
gash is great, though i find it heavy at times.
you may want to check out another thirlwell album, this
one called steroid maximus i believe. the songs have some
classical music structure, and are very interesting.
if you've ever listened to "zoolook" by jean michel jarre
and like it, you will like the steroid maximus one as well
i think.
- -behfar
------------------------------
From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: ceylon@shadow.net, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Mind Bomb as a creation
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 96 00:52:30 EDT
Message-Id:
>Finally, does anybody out there feel as if Mind Bomb is MJ's finest
>creation? I ask this because it gets slagged fairly often in posts.
As a "creation", no, I don't think Mind Bomb is MJ's best.
I think Soul Mining holds together more as an album, and as a creation, in
the religious/artistic sense. Especially considering his age and realtive
inexperience...
Mind Bomb is a great set of songs, and I really like the "2nd half" quite a
bit. The first half is also wonderful--Good morning beautiful used to be
played every morning to wake my ex up. However, it does not hold together
in the same way. Do you get what I mean? I would kind of imagine an ideal
MB (even though anachronistic) as tracks 4-8, with Jealous of Youth and
Bluer than Midnight (and "there's a tear in my beer..." :-)
Actually, I think that Dusk holds together more coherently than MB as well,
though Infected less so.
This has been a topic of great consternation for me, seeing as all albums
must match up (at least in coherence) to the Beatles...especially Sargeant
Pepper's.
Any other opinions?
D. Moses
------------------------------
From: Peter Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: mind bomb
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:10:15 +1000
Message-Id:
In reply to Ian's Finally, does anybody out there feel as if Mind Bomb is
MJ's finest creation? I ask this because it gets slagged fairly often in
posts.
I must say that if I was forced to choose between the albums I would
probably go for Mind Bomb. However I don't have to do such a thing and I'm
happy about that, because I so very much enjoy all Matt's stuff. Sometimes
the other albums call me to them, eg Dusk, or Soul Mining; basically I'm
addicted and would know what to do if all my theThe was removed from my
world...
...................................
To permit thine fingers of bless
To caress this flesh of mine.
...................................
Peter Bambang Love
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: more foetus
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:47:06 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
in my humble opinion, the foetus to look for is "scraping foetus off the
wheel: hole." also "nail," also by scraping foetus. less industrial
aggressive than gash, but far more interesting and insightful lyrics.
some stuff on hole could be matt johnson, if matt johnson was a little
more nuts.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
And I rode across the border."
------------------------------
From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Mind Bomb
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Peter Bambang wrote:
> I must say that if I was forced to choose between the albums I would
> probably go for Mind Bomb. However I don't have to do such a thing and I'm
> happy about that, because I so very much enjoy all Matt's stuff. Sometimes
> the other albums call me to them, eg Dusk, or Soul Mining; basically I'm
> addicted and would know what to do if all my theThe was removed from my
> world...
I wouldn't have said it better!!!
Even though my favorite song is on the Dusk album (Love is stronger than
death), I still return to Mind Bomb.
And David, I understand your point, and agree that "part two" of Mind
Bomb, with "jealous of youth" and "bluer than midnight" would be closer
together according to their themes.
Still, Mind Bomb holds together, but in a different way. Unlike the other
albums (with the exception of BBS), I have to listen to it entirely
(very loud, when it's very late and very dark!). I just can't start in the
middle or listen to one song in particular. I hope that Matt will preserve
that "thematic" aspect of his albums in the future.
Marie
------------------------------
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: NO SUBJECT
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:54:24 EDT
Message-Id: <199604171954.OAA19384@cs.uchicago.edu>
>Speaking of endless singles, I've collected the majority of the Dusk releases,
>but I still want the entirety of the "Royal Albert Hall/vs. the World" show.
>So I noticed an album cover for "vs. the World" on the Sony site. Anybody
>know the deal on this? Perhaps, it'll be one of our upcoming compilations...
>you know, a compilation of live songs from the same concert, that just
>happened to be filmed.
I think you might be referring to the 10 inch EP released around the same time
as Armageddon Days over here - in which case it's not an album - sorry!
Do you have the video of the Albert Hall gig? You can get a good copy on tape
if you're using a decent video recorder. Good enough to play in the car anyway.
I also have a bootleg of the Portsmouth gig for the Vs The World tour (which
I was at) but the quality is abysmal (I think the guy might have been standing
near me, cos I'm sure I can hear my own voice talking at one point!). The only
saving grace is a cool version of 'Flesh and Bones'.
Blair
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: wow
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:31:53
Message-Id: <199604180226.WAA23534@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
Here in cincy, OH we have a radion station called 97X. It is the single best
radion station I've heard state-side. They play A LOT of the The stuff, but
today was tops...song from soul mining, dusk, mind bomb....AND Jealous of
youth! anyone ever heard this on the radio before?
Jay
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: new album info...
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:32:08
Message-Id: <199604180226.WAA31165@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
This is part of a message sent to me by a guy I know...Kevin Paez. He does
all sorts of that "crazy music stuff." He used to be on this list too. I
thought some of you might be interested...
JaY
>
>I met him. And I know the new Drummer, Earl Harvin. I found out last week
>that he was hired by Matt to do Gun Sluts.He is back in town, so We can
>revel in knowing that AT LEAST THE DRUMS are recorded...Pass it on,
>buddy...
> I am playing with Earl on the 25th of May, I will see about cornering him
>for info. Any specific questions you'd like me to ask?
>
>
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From: Bill Jost
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Greetings
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:35:42 -0400
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960417233542.006c62a4@email.psu.edu>
Hello all...this is my second stint on this list, but I rarely speak so you
wouldn't have heard of me before and you probably won't hear much from me
again :)
I just thought I would put in a bit of an advertisement for my the The site.
It's called 'True Happiness This Way Lies' (I know that name is pretty
corny, but I couldn't think of a better one). Anyway, stop by and feel free
make suggestions. Just write me a note and I'll put your suggestions on my
To Do list. There didn't seem to be a great deal of the The info on the
net, so I've decided to take a shot at collating what's out there as well as
(hopefully) adding some stuff that hasn't been put up yet. Thanks for your
time :)
http://waj106.rh.psu.edu/thethe/thethe.html
Bill (wajost@psu.edu)
- --The thing with politicians is I wouldn't have suspicions
if I saw their worst positions and their Ugly Underneath -- XTC
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: ambitious
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
i just found the compilation called "ambitious." it has a great old matt
johnson song, called "what stanley saw." this thing originally came from
a cherry red records comp. called perspectives and distortion. that
record dates the recording of it back to spring 1980, which would make it
one of the absolute earliest (after the gadgets). it is a great song that
deserved to be in print on cd. sounds like the burning blue soul stuff,
but also a bit like soul mining. very cool.
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"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
And I rode across the border."
- --lyle lovett
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: wow
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:44:47 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, luster is the name of my band wrote:
>
> Here in cincy, OH we have a radion station called 97X. It is the single best
> radion station I've heard state-side. They play A LOT of the The stuff, but
> today was tops...song from soul mining, dusk, mind bomb....AND Jealous of
> youth! anyone ever heard this on the radio before?
Yup, here in Calgary, we have CJSW (University of Calgary radio
station). The station plays a lot of indy stuff and a lot of fine
bands like the The. Anyways, I heard Jealous of Youth played on it the
other day (of course I requested it but that is beside the point -- they
had the tune and played it! Thank Buddha for good radio stations!
skot
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: ambitious
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:46:37 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
as far as this comp., i found this thing on cd in a real store. so this
old song is back in print. as far as the perspectives and distortions
comp, the original place i found this song, that took a bit more effort.
i didn't know it existed until someone mentioned it to me, then i had to
hunt for a long time. but you can probably find this 'ambitious' comp.
it is supposed to be influential british bands, yet the first song is by
the dead kennedys. go figure.
as far as psychedelic music, i can't listen to something if all the
lyrics are lucy in the sky with diamonds rip offs. lately i have been on
a serious kick of beach boys "smile" demos. that is some pretty amazing
bizarre pre-sgt. pepper stuff.
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"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
And I rode across the border."
- --lyle lovett
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Mind Bomb as a creation
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:14:14 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604181714.SAA05433@joyce.iol.ie>
At 00:52 17/04/96 EDT, D. Moses wrote:
>As a "creation", no, I don't think Mind Bomb is MJ's best.
>I think Soul Mining holds together more as an album, and as a creation, in
>the religious/artistic sense. Especially considering his age and realtive
>inexperience...
>Mind Bomb is a great set of songs, and I really like the "2nd half" quite a
>bit. The first half is also wonderful--Good morning beautiful used to be
>played every morning to wake my ex up. However, it does not hold together
>in the same way. Do you get what I mean? I would kind of imagine an ideal
>MB (even though anachronistic) as tracks 4-8, with Jealous of Youth and
>Bluer than Midnight (and "there's a tear in my beer..." :-)
>Actually, I think that Dusk holds together more coherently than MB as well,
>though Infected less so.
>This has been a topic of great consternation for me, seeing as all albums
>must match up (at least in coherence) to the Beatles...especially Sargeant
>Pepper's.
>
>Any other opinions?
Yeah, I agree with you on Mind Bomb being a little disjointed at times and
not 'holding together'. For instance, on hearing the first two (brilliant)
tracks, you might be mistaken for thinking that the whole album is an
anti-organised religion work. But that really only comes to the fore when
you view the album as a 'concept' album, like (as you mentioned) Sgt.
Pepper. That though, doesn't take away from the album in my opinion. Looking
at Dusk or Soul Mining is terms of a concept album, they are quite
excellent, running smoothly and seamlessly along. Coherency exemplified, really.
I still rate Dusk as MJ's best 'creation' to date, for it's sheer
atmospheric quality and any other quality you can bestow upon it....
Carl
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorites
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:16:34
Message-Id: <199604182111.RAA11087@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>No one mentions Hanky Panky much. I was originally disappointed
>that Matt was doing covers, since he's such a good songwriter.
>However this is a good album on it's own merits. I play it more
>now than I did a year ago. It's theThe no doubt about it.
Here come the flames...
I really don't care for HP. It's not really matt's work. I would compare it
to buying another music group, just because Matt produced the work for them.
Before you disagree, be sure you know how important producers are in the
final sound--sometimes they even play some instruments. I think it was a
noble thing to do, that Hank deserves recognition, but that it probably looks
better on paper...
JaY
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From: Superfly TNT
To: Smiley Boy
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: wow
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:07:25 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
> Yup, here in Calgary, we have CJSW (University of Calgary radio
> station). The station plays a lot of indy stuff and a lot of fine
> bands like the The. Anyways, I heard Jealous of Youth played on it the
> other day (of course I requested it but that is beside the point -- they
> had the tune and played it! Thank Buddha for good radio stations!
>
> skot
hey, I heard "This is the Day" yesterday on CJSW... did you request that
one too, Skot?...
I'm a little behind on these threads but in any list of great
lyricists, Bob Mould HAS to be on it... check out that Sugar's mini-lp
"Beaster" (where, much like Johnson's works, Mould blasts the institution
of religion for giving one a false belief of one's own identity/security)
or Mould's solo "Workbook" (songs about destructive relationships and the
process of healing)... Matt Johnson and Bob Mould always put me in such
a reflective mood... another band is The Afghan Whigs... that is if you
want to hear some truths about the brutality of the male sexual ego...
as for my favorite album, I agree with the dude who said "Dusk" is
atmospheric...
Yan
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favorites
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:11:52 -0400
Message-Id: <9604182011.AA45478@cyberworld.com>
Just thought I'd add my two cents worth regarding the latest
thread:
I have to go with Soul Mining as my favorite, I still play it
regularly after 10 years. Dusk is a close second.
No flames please but I never really got into Infected, and I
consider myself a rabid fan. Too abstract I guess and musically
not very coherent.
No one mentions Hanky Panky much. I was originally disappointed
that Matt was doing covers, since he's such a good songwriter.
However this is a good album on it's own merits. I play it more
now than I did a year ago. It's theThe no doubt about it.
BTW does anyone know who Eric Schermerhorn played with before
MJ?
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From: ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hanky and the mediocre
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:25:20 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <960418202520.250dc@briar-cliff.edu>
Yeah, Hanky Panky seems to be a let down for me. I think "Honky Tonkin'"
sounds good as does "I'm a Long Gone Daddy". Now the let down lies in
the idea that though Matt may find a common theme between his work and
that of Hank's-I disagree. Matt has far superior lyrics. I also was
disappointed with The The not rearranging Hank's works better. In the
album sleeve Matt says he TheThe-ized the works. Well, apparently not
enough because the album is mediocre at best. One of the bands only
bad decisions.
FOR GOD'S SAKE, WHY NOT DO ROBERT JOHNSON??! This would have been more
wise and Matt could have shown off his great voice while the rest of
the band could prove their supremacy by making the songs original yet
also keeping a sound true and clear as Johnson would have liked.
Dave R.
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: infected
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:49:42 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
infected remains my favorite the the album after 10 long years. and i
don't know why, but i think hanky panky is second. or soul mining. i
really love the whole sound of hanky panky, and i think they are words
matt could have written. i just think that infected and hanky panky are
the most consistent albums, all the way through.
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"The boys from North Dakota, they drink whisky for their fun.
And the cowboys down in Texas, the polish up their guns.
And they look across the border, to learn the ways of love.
So I drank myself some whisky, and dreamed I was a cowboy.
And I rode across the border."
- --lyle lovett
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From: John Jenkins
To: "'List: The The'"
Subject: RE: Favorites
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 00:39:50 -0230
Message-Id: <01BB2D88.BBA86C80@newcd43.newcomm.net>
On Thursday, April 18, 1996 5:41 PM, rbs@cyberworld.com wrote:
>I have to go with Soul Mining as my favorite, I still play it
>regularly after 10 years. Dusk is a close second.=20
My sentiments as well. I made the big mistake of shelving Dusk after =
the first two or three listens, thinking it was pretty awful... Must =
have been in the wrong frame of mind or something I guess =
(understatement). After I bought (and loved) Hanky Panky I dragged Dusk =
out again -- it's among my top ten now, just under Soul Mining.
>No flames please but I never really got into Infected, and I=20
>consider myself a rabid fan. Too abstract I guess and musically
>not very coherent.
Agreed, the least listened to of the lot. Didn't bother replacing the =
vinyl with CD until about a year ago. It has some great moments, but =
not enough and too far apart.
>No one mentions Hanky Panky much. I was originally disappointed=20
>that Matt was doing covers, since he's such a good songwriter.
>However this is a good album on it's own merits. I play it more
>now than I did a year ago. It's theThe no doubt about it.
I always play it when my father-in-law comes over; he's a big Hank fan =
and gets a great kick out of it... Have to wonder what drove MJ to make =
an album like that. Wonder how his desire for commerical success =
compares with his desire to make great music? Is he pissed because he's =
not a superstar? Or pleased that he can "the The-ize" Hank to critical =
acclaim?
Regards...
John Jenkins - PKS/MOF - Hibernia
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster)
To: ask@iastate.edu
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: marr
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:22:39
Message-Id: <199604191824.OAA29723@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
Hi!
Just a quick note to tell everyone Justin Hagel and I have jointly
formed a Johnny Marr mail list and www site. Both are VERY much
under construction.
I'm doing the www side for the most part, and have simply slapped a
basic structure for the page up for now. It's called "I know it's
over" but i think it will be renamed to "The Draize train" or some
other title.
Find it at:
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
The pictures are crappy since I did it so quick, sorry. It will be
completely redone soon.
Justin is primarily doing the mail list and a fan club. Send mail
with "subscribe" in the subject area, and your address in the text
area to: n9342070@henson.cc.wwu.edu
It's also called the draize train.
We are also going to form an alt.music.marr newsgroup soon.
We ask all interested parties to:
1) send comments on what you'd like to see
2) coments on what we do have
3) help if you can...I still need a list of what marr's done since
the smiths.
4) Join!
5) tell other people
We are a bit upset that the current "leaders" of smiths stuff on
the internet have decided to be rude, err snobby, and not give us
links/support. Two of the main ones have agreed though.
I hope that our work can be a positive ADDITION (not a distraction)
to what's already been done. I simply beleive that it's not fair
that marr gets little or no coverage.
send comments to:
luster@gnn.com
JaY
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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: favorites
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:31:26 CDT
Message-Id: <9604191531.AA06417@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
My favorite the The album is still Infected. It was my most listened to
album, and has probably been my most listened to CD. The album came out
my freshman year of college, and I'm convinced MJ released Infected just
for me. It had a pretty profound impact on me during college so it's
hard to be objective.
Trying to be objective, I'd have to say Dusk is the The's "best" album.
Of his albums, this has the widest range of style, yet every song is excellent
, not a single low point on the album. In spite of the
variety of sounds, MJ was still able to keep a thread going throuhgout so
while each song sounds great on it's own, the album still stands alone as a
masterful work. Plus, I feel this has been MJ's best songwriting effort
to date. (In my opinion.)
- -walker
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From: Andrzej Olaczek
To: "infected@cs.uchicago.edu"
Subject: Favorites
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 96 15:10:38 -0500
Message-Id: <96ED4943C4@zr.ita.pwr.wroc.pl>
What is my favourite theThe's release ???
Maybe it'll soud strange, but it varies with time... For long, long time it
was Infected,
which was the very first theThe's record I've ever heard. Now it doesn't
make me
excited at all... Well.... maybe sometimes ... in the night ...
Afterwards it was Soul Mining (with that lovely 'This is the day') and Dusk.
And I really wasn't able to tell which's better.
Now my favourite is Dusk, Dusk and once again Dusk. Why ??? Maybe because I
spent so much lovely nights with Natalia (my 'much more then' girlfriend)
with Dusk
playing in the background or ... I don't know.
Natalia loves Hanky Panky. I'm not a great fun of that record.
- --
Andrzej Olaczek
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From: "Paul T."
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: TABLATURES
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:32:21 +0200
Message-Id: <199604201032.MAA09267@storm.certix.fr>
Hello fans of the world,
Sorry for my dirty english...We love guitar as much as the The... So we are
looking for tablatures of
the group especially
* August & September
* Jealous of Youth
* The beat(en) generation
Thanks for all the tips,
Gros bisous Marie, et la, pas besoin de r=E9fl=E9chir deux heures a la=
tournure
de la phrase. Tu as peut-etre des contacts concernant ce qu'il y a=
ci-dessus.
=
=20
All the best from Normandy!
=
=20
Paul
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From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: vs the world
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 22:27:37 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
I own a bootleg CD of a part of the Royal Albert Hall concert featuring the
last seven songs played on the show (according to the vs the world video).
It's called "the intimate stranger". The songs on the CD have been
recorded from another show, 'cause there are slight differences on the
interpretations of the songs. Could sound better, but it's always
nice to hear Matt Live. Doesn't beat the video though.
Marie
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: that song
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:42:51 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
that song is called "flesh and bones." it comes from a compilation
released between soul mining and infected. and then on various b-sides.
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"I travelled to a prison, saw my share of shattered dreams.
Were the tables slightly tilted, I could be bound, they could be free.
But I believe no tear goes wasted and so I fell there on my knees,
And I vowed I'd dance the shores of Jordan till the angels carried me."
- -iris dement
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: more foetus (fwd)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 11:43:30 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
this is the song i was talking about. this message came just to me...
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"I travelled to a prison, saw my share of shattered dreams.
Were the tables slightly tilted, I could be bound, they could be free.
But I believe no tear goes wasted and so I fell there on my knees,
And I vowed I'd dance the shores of Jordan till the angels carried me."
- -iris dement
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Date: Sat, 20 Apr 96 16:51:20 EST
From: Racine Bratcher
To: dbh@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
Subject: more foetus
Hi - I'm new to the list.
My name is Racine
25 yr old female
living in Detroit (fun it's NOT)
Anyways, my favorite THE THE stuff is
EVERYTHING except Hanky Panky.
As much as I love MJ, I couldn't even bring myself to give this one a
listen at all.
The first exposure I had to The The was an obscure college radio show
that played a song in 1981,2, or 3...
If anyone knows what this song is....
"It's the first day of spring with clean air in the wind
And everything's just like it should be
The roads are jammed up with lorries and cars
And I'm standing in the street with my hand upon my heart
This is the place that I used to know
But it's been locked away and put up for show
I jumped out of bed - had my first cigarette
It made my body feel sick but helped my mind relax...
The cranes are moving on the skyline
And the wateris dripping from the kitchen tap
These times they are a'changin'
And I'm feeling left behind
Everybody's running
Trying to catch up with their lives..."
Anyone know title/LP etc. about this song?
Thanks
[B
B
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too intense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sends - and Hell bends..." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
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From: Bill Jost
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The FAQ
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:36:50 -0400
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960422223650.006ebc90@email.psu.edu>
I think that the The needs a Frequently Asked Questions file....
So, I've started one :) These files have just been started so they are a
LONG way from finished. If you want to you can check out what I have done at :
http://waj106.rh.psu.edu/thethe/faq/infect.html
Feel free to suggest a topic/question for any the The related areas....
If you can think of a better format then the one I have chosen, please let
me know.
Bill (wajost@psu.edu)
- --All the thoughts unuttered and all the feelings unexpressed
play upon our hearts like the mist upon our breath - M.Johnson
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: favorites
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:19:26 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960423001130.2c8f26a4@haven.uniserve.com>
Favorite album: I must say that The The's best album, actualy the two best
albums have to be Soul Mining and Infected. Realism at its best. Mind bomb,
although creative, i find is packed with a slow moving instrumental, which i
like sometimes but not all the time. And although dusk is pretyt darn good,
i just don't think it lyrically compares to either Soul Mining or Infected.
Perhaps this is because i like the topics covered by Soul Mining and
Infected more than Dusk: ie poverty, the rich, social problems etc etc. Just
my two cents :)
richard
At 10:31 AM 4/19/96 CDT, you wrote:
>My favorite the The album is still Infected. It was my most listened to
>album, and has probably been my most listened to CD. The album came out
>my freshman year of college, and I'm convinced MJ released Infected just
>for me. It had a pretty profound impact on me during college so it's
>hard to be objective.
>
>Trying to be objective, I'd have to say Dusk is the The's "best" album.
>Of his albums, this has the widest range of style, yet every song is excellent
>, not a single low point on the album. In spite of the
>variety of sounds, MJ was still able to keep a thread going throuhgout so
>while each song sounds great on it's own, the album still stands alone as a
>masterful work. Plus, I feel this has been MJ's best songwriting effort
>to date. (In my opinion.)
>
>-walker
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: conversation starter
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:58:12 CDT
Message-Id: <9604232158.AA15602@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
Traffic's been a little slow lately so I thought I'd pose the following
question. Perhaps others have been in this same conversation.
"What kind of music do you listen to?"
"I like the The"
"The The? That's a weird name. What kind of music is that?"
"Um. . . Um. . . It's hard to explain. You really have to hear it."
I hate categorizing music more than anyone, but at the same time it's
nice to be able to describe a band or musician's "sound" to someone who
hasn't heard them. How do you/have you described the The to others who
haven't heard his music? The best I've been able to come up with is
describing it as minimalistic punk/blues. Any other ideas out there?
- -walker
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: That was the Day
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:18:28 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960423181033.2cf70a1e@haven.uniserve.com>
It came as a shock. I was just mindlessly watching the Canadian music
station (MuchMusic) when suddenly they played "That Was The Day". Anyways, i
found the video really crappy compared to other The The video's i've seen.
This video was basically just some morphed shots of buildings and concrete,
intermixed was Matt on stage with orange being a prominent colour. It seemed
to be about as horrid/trendy as most rock video's out there. But it was good
to finaly see Matt agian !!
richard
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: Douglas H Walker
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: conversation starter
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 01:21:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:
I just say- "it's cool, and that it makes me what i am" - screw a category.
thanks for you patience
k.
On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Douglas H Walker wrote:
> Traffic's been a little slow lately so I thought I'd pose the following
> question. Perhaps others have been in this same conversation.
> "What kind of music do you listen to?"
> "I like the The"
> "The The? That's a weird name. What kind of music is that?"
> "Um. . . Um. . . It's hard to explain. You really have to hear it."
>
> I hate categorizing music more than anyone, but at the same time it's
> nice to be able to describe a band or musician's "sound" to someone who
> hasn't heard them. How do you/have you described the The to others who
> haven't heard his music? The best I've been able to come up with is
> describing it as minimalistic punk/blues. Any other ideas out there?
>
> -walker
>
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From: Joonas Virtasalo
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favorite albums
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:17:28 +0300
Message-Id: <199604240617.JAA05002@jazz>
I think Soul Mining is the best TheThe album. Each song seems to be like a
natural continuation for another.
Dusk is a strong second. I really love the bad trip guitars and decent
basses, but it doesn't compare with Soul Mining lyrically.
Burning Blue Soul comes very close behind the Dusk album. Musically and
lyrically it's much like Soul Mining. However Matts not yet developed voice
and poor quality of sound press it down on the third place.
Then comes Mind Bomd, maybe the most uncomplete of TheThe albums.
Slow-moving instrumentals are great, but this should be more coherent.
Infected carries the 5th place. It's a bit too close to 80's discopop. In my
opinion. Lyrically it's third best of TheThe albums.
I can't compare Hanky Panky with other TheThe products. It's a tribute
album, and a damn good one. It shouldn't be compared with other TheThe
albums because it really isn't TheThe. TheThe has done a great job with
TheThe-izing Hank Williams, they have managed to preserve the Hank Williams
sound while giving it a strong TheThe feeling & tounch.
I still love all my TheThe records. Would die for them, almost:)
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Joonas Virtasalo, Satakunta Polytechnic, ADP deparntment | Well, I had
e-mail: joonas@jazz.cc.spt.fi | a tagline
home page: http://www.spt.fi/~joonas | once ...
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Lisa Moran
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favourite albums
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:22:42 +0930
Message-Id: <199604240952.TAA23737@box.satech.net.au>
1. Soul Mining
2. Burning Blue Soul
3. Dusk
4. Mind Bomb
5. Hanky Panky
6. IInfected ( sorry but it really doesn't appeal to me, don't quite know why...)
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From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Infected Songbook?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 09:23:14 EST
Message-Id: <199604241359.NAA27298@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
ARGH! I can't find the The The Infected songbook ANYWHERE. If anyone
has it, did or could you have it scanned and u/l'd? I jam on the
ivories and can interpret and play guitar tabs, but I'd really love to
have scanned .gif files of Infected if available...
Thanks very much in advance - (fingers crossed)
Racine
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too intense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sends - and Hell bends..." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
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From: luster@gnn.com
Sender: luster@gnn.com (luster) (from www-22-227.gnn.com. 205.188.22.227)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: book
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:25:37
Message-Id: <199604241827.OAA20769@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>ARGH! I can't find the The The Infected songbook ANYWHERE. If
anyone
>has it, did or could you have it scanned and u/l'd? I jam on the
>ivories and can interpret and play guitar tabs, but I'd really
love to
>have scanned .gif files of Infected if available...
I'll work on that...how about .jpg or oter formats...uh, and
greyscale?
JaY
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From: "vickie ellis"
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: conversation starter
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:40:47 EST5EDT
Message-ID: <1A6F1307032@titan.cc.emory.edu>
" a twisted little man with a wonderful band that howls
thorny truisms at you"
This has to be the best summation I've heard yet, hope you dont
mind if I adopt it..
Vickie
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From: "vickie ellis"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Dusk to Dawn VHS
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:46:56 EST5EDT
Message-ID: <1A70B3530A9@titan.cc.emory.edu>
For those infected people still wanting a VHS copy of "Dusk to
Dawn", I noticed Tower Records now has 3 copies on the shelf, so
they must've had more demand for it after I got mine. They're priced
at $45. FYI!
Vickie
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From: Steven W Hill
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Infected Songbook?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 12:03:33 CDT
Message-Id: <9604241703.AA08103@harper.cc.il.us>
> ARGH! I can't find the The The Infected songbook ANYWHERE. If anyone
> has it, did or could you have it scanned and u/l'd? I jam on the
> ivories and can interpret and play guitar tabs, but I'd really love to
> have scanned .gif files of Infected if available...
Scan the whole book?!
- -shill
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From: "Paul T."
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favorite Albums
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:48:44 +0200
Message-Id: <199604241948.VAA00243@storm.certix.fr>
1 DUSK (definetely)
2 Mind Bomb
3 Soul Mining
4 Infected
4-The Intimate stranger (I've also got it, Marie...)
5 Hanky Panky
6 Thriller (Joke)
7 Burning blue soul
8 Pornography of despair (cos' I haven't got it!)
9 Guns sluts (good writing?)
___________________________________________________
Paul TAVERNIER
Service Informatique
Rectorat de ROUEN
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___________________________________________________
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: conversation starter
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:17:38 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604242217.XAA05868@GPO.iol.ie>
At 16:58 23/04/96 CDT ,walker wrote:
>I hate categorizing music more than anyone, but at the same time it's
>nice to be able to describe a band or musician's "sound" to someone who
>hasn't heard them. How do you/have you described the The to others who
>haven't heard his music? The best I've been able to come up with is
>describing it as minimalistic punk/blues. Any other ideas out there?
>
>-walker
>
Yeah, it is almost impossible to confine the The down to anyone particular
musical style/genre... For instance, take a look at the albums, each have
their own distinctive, diverse sound. It's almost like a musical journey or
evolution, when you look at them as a whole, which really is part of the joy
of being a fan..... but I must say, I like that 'minimalistic punk/blues'
description... sounds good, anyway!
Carl.
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From: Andrzej Olaczek
To: "infected@cs.uchicago.edu"
Subject: understand it ???
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 19:36:36 -0500
Message-Id: <12B5D271CF5@zr.ita.pwr.wroc.pl>
Paul, nie mecz nas tym francuskim.
A moze zasypac twoja skrzynke setkami listow po polsku ???
Niestety e-mail nie trawi polskich znakow ...
- --
Andrzej Olaczek
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Junk Mail
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:50:54 -0400
Message-Id: <9604262250.AA31142@cyberworld.com>
Hello, is anybody home?
This list goes pretty strong for a while, then dies out
incredibly quick...
Just want to see some mail from Infected, even if it's my
own stupid message.
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From: "P.J. and the Great Ghost Dance"
To: Infected
Subject: Question
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:25:43 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
I had something gnawing on my mind and I was wondering if somebody could
help me out. Seems about two years ago when Matt was on tour, the
Auteurs(sp.?) were opening for them. I stumbled over something that said
that Matt kicked them off the tour, and the Auteurs front man (Luke
Haines) said that Matt had threatened to kill him, or something to that
effect.
Does anyone know the full scoop on that?
Thanks
PJ
______________________________________________________________________________
"I cannot show it rhyme. I have tried. I can find no rhyme to 'lady'
but 'baby,' an innocent rhyme; for 'scorn,' 'horn,' a hard rhyme; for
'school,' 'fool,' a babbling rhyme. Very ominous endings. No, I was not
born under a rhyming planet, nor I cannot woo in festival terms."- Benedick
Much Ado About Nothing, Act V, Scene II
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: John Higgs
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:03:04 GMT
Message-Id: <199604271903.TAA14942@netcom.co.uk>
At 09:25 27/04/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I had something gnawing on my mind and I was wondering if somebody could
>help me out. Seems about two years ago when Matt was on tour, the
>Auteurs(sp.?) were opening for them. I stumbled over something that said
>that Matt kicked them off the tour, and the Auteurs front man (Luke
>Haines) said that Matt had threatened to kill him, or something to that
>effect.
>
Now, my memory isn't my strongest point but I seem to remember reading in
the NME gossip column about this. The Auteurs supported The The on the
British leg of the Lonely Planet tour (named The Jingle Hell tour due to it
being nearly Christmas). The final show was at somewhere grand in London,
probably the Royal Albert Hall, and to make it more of an occasion Matt got
Tommy Cockles, an unbelivably poor comic, to do a spot of stand up between
sets whilst they swapped the Auteurs gear for The The's.
Luke Haines was not happy about this, for he considered that he was now
third on the bill, under Tommy Cockles. So during his set he made a few
comments about Matt being miserable, foolish and generally a bit of a
wanker. Matt was understandably unhappy with this, and expressed his
displeasure by slamming Luke into a wall and threatening to kill him.
Luke Haines, not a man who anyone would consider a bit handy in a fight,
then ran away and hid like the big summer dress that he is.
...or so I remember, anyway.
John
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: related contecnt:looking for research, playlists from 1987-1990
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:04:16
Message-Id: <199604272259.SAA06610@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>
>
>I've visitied the CMJ web site and those blodd suckers want, 10 US
>dollars for each playlist, that 520.00 us a year at four years. like I
>have that kind of money. Billboards site has not been up for three
>days now, i just get some html code when i connect.
>
>so all you knowledgable people out there know where I could go on the
>internet for this stuff without sacrificing food for the next three
>year? or does even free stuff now have a price...
>
>any ideas would be most appreciated.
Uh, IUMA? (http://www.iuma.com)
Do a search on alta vista?
Ask at various music company web sites?
I don't know...
JaY
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl)
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
To: The The list
Subject: Fwd: tour fun
Subject: tour fun
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
once i met the cranberries. they told me matt could be "quite bitter"
on
tour.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
"I travelled to a prison, saw my share of shattered dreams.
Were the tables slightly tilted, I could be bound, they could be free.
But I believe no tear goes wasted and so I fell there on my knees,
And I vowed I'd dance the shores of Jordan till the angels carried me."
- -iris dement
< considering the source, and considering I've followed matt around
< doing pieces for a music special...he was always very pleasant but
< very direct about what was his space and when someone could invade
< and has anyone been on tour? truly it sucks, one town / city after
< another, packing unpacking, even if you're lucky enough to have a
< decent set of tours buses..it still sucks. usually lousy food,
< grumpy, surly club management, tons of people wanting interviews,
< autographs, cramped backstages, no place to change, tons of smoke,
< it's hard to get 30 seconds to yourself. sometimes you'll even share
< the bathroom with 5 or 6 of your closet friends, uh, that's while
< you're doing your business. nothing like having someone put
< hairspray on and your trying to wipe.
< i interviewed the cranberries and i hate to say it but theystruck as
< self-important, obsessed with the negative in a twisted way
< one person's opinion mind you but oh well. euthelene who says
people who name their bands after fruit need to do more MadLibs.
< whil
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: tour fun
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
once i met the cranberries. they told me matt could be "quite bitter" on
tour.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
"I travelled to a prison, saw my share of shattered dreams.
Were the tables slightly tilted, I could be bound, they could be free.
But I believe no tear goes wasted and so I fell there on my knees,
And I vowed I'd dance the shores of Jordan till the angels carried me."
- -iris dement
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl)
To: uk-indie@MIT.EDU
To: 4AD-l@AMERICAN.EDU
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: related contecnt:looking for research, playlists from 1987-1990
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:50:08 -0700
Message-Id: <199604271950.MAA00943@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com>
well, after surfing for about 5 hours, my eyes are bleary.
i'm writing several things right now and I could use playlists from
1987 - 1990 for college radio. like CMJ or Billboard or whatever.
I've visitied the CMJ web site and those blodd suckers want, 10 US
dollars for each playlist, that 520.00 us a year at four years. like I
have that kind of money. Billboards site has not been up for three
days now, i just get some html code when i connect.
so all you knowledgable people out there know where I could go on the
internet for this stuff without sacrificing food for the next three
year? or does even free stuff now have a price...
any ideas would be most appreciated. if I can't find these playlists
for these time periods, I'll have to change the time line to a more
recent year, which would kinda suck. the story wouldn't make as much
sense then
anyhow any info would have my etneral gratitude. I might even be
able to dig into my music library and find a few things which show my
gratitude
cheers, euthelene who's trying to write but the man is gettin' her down
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Junk Mail
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 09:53:22 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199604280853.JAA00035@joyce.iol.ie>
At 18:50 26/04/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello, is anybody home?
>
>This list goes pretty strong for a while, then dies out
>incredibly quick...
>
>Just want to see some mail from Infected, even if it's my
>own stupid message.
Ok, here's an idea on how to inject a bit of life into infected....
Whoever mails as many posts as it is humanly possible to mail in an hour
should get a prise... Pornography perhaps...er, of Despair, naturally.
And whoever holds the record for the least no. of mails, should be
automatically subscribed to the Glam Rock Mailing List, featuring such
greats as Gary Glitter etc. where they can be inundated with mails
concerning just how Gary gets his hair in that oh so intriguing style...
well, it's just an idea...
Regards,
Carl
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From: Yukari Tanimoto
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: gadgets
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 03:19:20 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
Hi all,
I hope i'm not asking a question that has been talked into the
ground...but I just found a "gadgets" album the other day. I was
wondering if anyone knows how this project came about. I'm assuming
that Matt did this project as a side to the The. Thanks in advance for
any info. yukari
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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Junk Mail
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:01:00 CDT
Message-Id: <9604291401.AA28212@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
WOW!!! A Glam Rock mailing list! I hope you're not making fun of Gary
Glitter . ROCK AND RO-OLL, HEY! ROCK AND ROLL. ROCK AND RO-OLL,
HEY! ROCK AND ROLL. . . ROCK AND ROLL. The true measure of any great
singer songwriter is the number of times their songs have been played by
highschool pep bands.
Sorry. Just lost my head for a minute. It's a miserable rainy Monday
morning.
- -walker "lost and brainwashed"
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From: MShaneT@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Gloat
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:35:14 -0400
Message-ID: <960429213513_386215363@emout16.mail.aol.com>
I am silent member who has struck gold yesterday. But first....
My favorite album is "Infected" followed by "Mind Bomb" then "Dusk" even
though I really love "Sodium Light Baby."
How I struck gold...
Yesterday I went to a record convention and ended up picking up;
Sweet Bird of Truth 12"
Infected 12"
Gravitate to Me 12" box set
Infected 12" #2
Slow Train to Dawn 12"
Heartland 12"
Infected- English release w/ poster and Matt on cover
A radio album with 2 The The tracks w/ interviews
The The vs Hank cd, Hanky Panky w/ the original Hank Williams versions.
The guy I picked these up from had a lot more, I only got the ones with
different tracks that I didn't have because of cash flow problems. However,
he did give me his address, etc. in case I wanted to get anything else. If
anybody wants it, email me and I'll give it to you.
I know this was boring but this has been a 8 year quest that had just ended
and I am exhausted!
MShaneT@aol.com
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From: Doug Chase
To: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'" ,
"'MShaneT@aol.com'"
Subject: RE: Gloat
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:09:38 -0700
Message-ID:
Nice going! Sounds like you got some rare ones there. I'd like the
guys # if it's not a problem. He probably has some that I don't have...
Doug Chase
>----------
>From: MShaneT@aol.com[SMTP:MShaneT@aol.com]
>
>I am silent member who has struck gold yesterday. But first....
>
>Yesterday I went to a record convention and ended up picking up;
>
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