january 96
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From: Ian
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Let's have one in honour of the Gun Sluts
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:08:18 -0500
Message-ID: <2F23E282.1A6B@shadow.net>
Could'nt think of a better time to send along the URL to the Guinness
homepage--enjoy:
"http://www.itl.net/Guinness/index.html"
P.s. The screensaver is a winner.
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From: "vickie ellis"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: dusk to dawn vhs
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:32:06 EST5EDT
Message-ID: <1A030A86A6F@titan.cc.emory.edu>
Hi fellow infectants,
In case anyone needs this info, my best friend ordered a copy of
the 'Dusk to Dawn' video from Tower Records, who had it flown here
from Japan. (here=Atlanta) The whole process took her 6 months, and
she surprised me with it for Xmas. The woman who ordered it from
Tower took it upon herself to order 2 extra copies to sell in the
store, priced at $50. (I know one is still there, for any local
Atlantans who have plenty money). So, just fyi, it can be done.
Vickie
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From: Peter Caira
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Cold Spell Ahead
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:42:34 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
Okay, I walked into HMV looking for the new Tori Amos single just now and
to my surprise, I found a strange looking theTHE CD.
Well, I bought it. It's called Cold Spell Ahead and was released in '92
by "Some Bizarre Ltd." The actual music is from '81 and was published by
"Complete Music Ltd." and includes two songs:
Cold Spell Ahead (with lyrics from Uncertain Smile) and
Hot Ice (a very cool instrumental...the beginnings of industrial?)
There is a co-writer for Hot Ice named Keith Laws...
So, does anyone know anything about this CD?
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Cold Spell Ahead
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:56:10 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id:
On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Peter Caira wrote:
>
> Okay, I walked into HMV looking for the new Tori Amos single just now and
> to my surprise, I found a strange looking theTHE CD.
> Well, I bought it. It's called Cold Spell Ahead and was released in '92
> by "Some Bizarre Ltd." The actual music is from '81 and was published by
> "Complete Music Ltd." and includes two songs:
> Cold Spell Ahead (with lyrics from Uncertain Smile) and
> Hot Ice (a very cool instrumental...the beginnings of industrial?)
Consider yourself lucky that you were able to find Cold Spell
Ahead in Canada ... . I needed to get one of my
friends who traveled to the UK to get it for me, and even she had trouble
finding it there. I even scowered all of Calgary in an attempt to find it
before that as well.
But of course I could have been looking in all the wrong places! :)
CHEERS!
S.B. (just wanting to add my 2 cents)
_________________________________________________________________________
If I could choose the life I pleased
Then I would be a boatman
Along the canals and the rivers free
No hasty words are spoken
My only law the river breeze
Would take me to the open seas
-The Levellers
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: Peter Caira
To: Smiley Boy
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Cold Spell Ahead
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:05:52 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Smiley Boy wrote:
> Consider yourself lucky that you were able to find Cold Spell
> Ahead in Canada ... . I needed to get one of my
> friends who traveled to the UK to get it for me, and even she had trouble
> finding it there. I even scowered all of Calgary in an attempt to find it
> before that as well.
Well, sometimes you just find the damndest things in Windsor...(:
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: Peter Caira
To: Doug Chase
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Cold Spell Ahead
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:15:37 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Doug Chase wrote:
> A couple years ago, I was looking through the catalog at the record
> store, and I saw this CD. I ordered it, and much to my surprise, it
> came in! Sounds like you figured out most of it -- this is a
> re-release of some early work. Steve Hill has it on his excellent and
> comprehensive discography.
Well, what I really want to know is if it's rare or valuable...I only
bought it for 13$Cdn...
> I think the Cold Spell Ahead version of Uncertain Smile is pretty cool.
Ya, It's pretty amazing, actually...I was quite surprised.
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: Doug Chase
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Cold Spell Ahead
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:44:12 PST
Message-Id: red-51-msg960104014350MTP[01.52.00]000000a6-1671
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|From: Peter Caira
|Well, I bought it. It's called Cold Spell Ahead and was released in '92
|So, does anyone know anything about this CD?
A couple years ago, I was looking through the catalog at the record
store, and I saw this CD. I ordered it, and much to my surprise, it
came in! Sounds like you figured out most of it -- this is a
re-release of some early work. Steve Hill has it on his excellent and
comprehensive discography.
I think the Cold Spell Ahead version of Uncertain Smile is pretty cool.
Doug Chase
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (Jellinek David M)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Two threads to start
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:25:57 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <9601051819.AA29726@acc>
I have a couple of questions, which I hope will lead to some discussion.
The first occured to me while driving from Boston to Minnesota:
Whats is a great the The experience you have had (keep it realtively
clean, though we all like stories)?
For me, what spurred this was driving in a DENSE fog through Western PA
at like 1AM with Infected blasting on my car stereo. It was surreal.
All the songs just fit, but I had a stronger connection with the last two
than I have ever really had before. I'd also just watched the video
again like a week before, so that helped. There's a high wind
blowing...it was incredible. Beyond words.
Also, I had a similar experience with Dusk about two and a half years
ago. Was driving with a woman I was interested in back from a mentor's
house where we had had dinner. It was a dark night and we were driving
back from Gloucester, MA ( a small sea town, if anyone knows it) and the
moon was out and it was beautiful and romantic, and Bluer than Midnight
came on. That was the only thing we listened to on the hour long drive
home. Fell in love to that song. We broke up a while back (about 2 year
relationship) but that song still puts me in exactly the same mood.
Second thing, which arose while emailing with Peter Caira (please correct
me on spelling, but I can't open my email from here and still type--not
my home server):
Who would you like to see MJ do some work with or covers of?
I would love to hear MJ and Tori in a duet, or covering one anothers'
work. I would not mind a collabortaion with Trent Reznor, although that
could be disastrous...
I'd also like to listen to the interaction of voices and breath with
Paula Cole, if anyone out there knows her.
Others?
So, I hope you all had a happy new year, and that life is sweet in this
first week of '96.
Dave Jellinek
djelline@haverford.edu
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From: marice@students.wisc.edu (elvis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Two threads to start
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:16:18 -0600
Message-Id: <199601051916.NAA58819@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>I have a couple of questions, which I hope will lead to some discussion.
>The first occured to me while driving from Boston to Minnesota:
>
>Whats is a great the The experience you have had (keep it realtively
>clean, though we all like stories)?
i saw the the live four years ago BY ACCIDENT. fell in love with the band.
now i own everything i can get my little greedy hands on. i still remember
the way MJ shakes his ass when he dances.
>Who would you like to see MJ do some work with or covers of?
i prefer MJ's personal stuff. he stands well on his own two feet.
>I would love to hear MJ and Tori in a duet, or covering one anothers'
>work.
although i love and admire both musicians, i do not think that they would
compliment eachother well. style clash.
>I would not mind a collabortaion with Trent Reznor, although that
>could be disastrous...
that might actually be very very cool. i have a lot of respect for Trent
studio-wise. It would also get the The more American press. the kids love
trent.
\
>I'd also like to listen to the interaction of voices and breath with
>Paula Cole, if anyone out there knows her.
oh mY! that would be very very good. she has a wonderful voice and i think
it would compliment MJ very well.
>Others?
these are just a few throws;
sarah mclachlan,
annie lennox,
pj harvey.
i'd love to see him do more with Sinead. Kingdom of rain gives me chills.
- -
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From: "Roderich Heikenfeld"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Two threads to start
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:22:35 +0100
Message-Id: <30f61a240f2d002@sun529.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
> From: djelline@haverford.edu (Jellinek David M)
> Subject: Two threads to start
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:25:57 -0500 (EST)
> I have a couple of questions, which I hope will lead to some discussion.
> The first occured to me while driving from Boston to Minnesota:
>
> Whats is a great the The experience you have had (keep it realtively
> clean, though we all like stories)?
>
> For me, what spurred this was driving in a DENSE fog through Western PA
> at like 1AM with Infected blasting on my car stereo. It was surreal.
> All the songs just fit, but I had a stronger connection with the last two
> than I have ever really had before. I'd also just watched the video
> again like a week before, so that helped. There's a high wind
> blowing...it was incredible. Beyond words.
> Also, I had a similar experience with Dusk about two and a half years
> ago. Was driving with a woman I was interested in back from a mentor's
> house where we had had dinner. It was a dark night and we were driving
> back from Gloucester, MA ( a small sea town, if anyone knows it) and the
> moon was out and it was beautiful and romantic, and Bluer than Midnight
> came on. That was the only thing we listened to on the hour long drive
> home. Fell in love to that song. We broke up a while back (about 2 year
> relationship) but that song still puts me in exactly the same mood.
>
>
> Dave Jellinek
> djelline@haverford.edu
>
>
First, though coming from Germany, I am probably one of the few
people on this list ever been to Gloucester, MA. Bluer than Midnight
really seems to me like the perfect soundtrack for a drive from
Gloucester to Boston, reaching big city lights, then drive around all
those big bank buildings near the aquarium on JFK Expsway...
My first theThe experience was watching the Slow train to dawn video
on TV with Neneh Cherry back in 1986, I was thrilled by this sound. I bought
Infected on vinyl, recorded it on tape and spend hours walking
through town with my walkman on. I found out that some songs need the
clear, fresh air of a cold winter morning like Uncertain smile, while
as The mercy beat - at least in my opinion- demands the sticky, humid
pre-thunderstorm athmosphere of a hot summer night.
Roderich ---- How can anyone ----
---- know me ----
---- when I don t even know ----
---- MYSELF ----
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From: Peter Caira
To: Jellinek David M
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Two threads to start
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 02:07:03 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
On Fri, 5 Jan 1996, Jellinek David M wrote:
> Second thing, which arose while emailing with Peter Caira (please correct
> me on spelling, but I can't open my email from here and still type--not
> my home server):
(: you got it right.
> Who would you like to see MJ do some work with or covers of?
> I would love to hear MJ and Tori in a duet, or covering one anothers'
> work. I would not mind a collabortaion with Trent Reznor, although that
> could be disastrous...
I've always thought that Matt and Trent could do some cool stuff
together...Of course, if either had an ego, it would be quite tense...
But really, Tori, Matt and Trent....hmmmm....(:
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: matt collaborations
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 17:50:13 -0500
Message-ID: <960105175010_32894490@mail06.mail.aol.com>
obvious choice for me--foetus. and maybe nick cave. could be fun. but matt
and foetus are from the same planet, that would be beautiful...
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From: twalton@e2.empirenet.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt collaborations
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 1996 18:59:22 -0800
Message-Id: <199601060304.TAA27718@e2.empirenet.com>
>obvious choice for me--foetus. and maybe nick cave. could be fun. but matt
>and foetus are from the same planet, that would be beautiful...
Now that I'd like to see! Until you mentioned that I never really
considered how similar, lyrically, their writing styles are. Musically on
the other hand...
- --Trevor
(hope this message doesn't get hosed, I'm opting for Eudora this time
instead of the usual unix shell...)
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From: Joonas Virtasalo
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Cold Spell Ahead ?
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:47:01 +0200 (EET)
Message-ID:
Somebody mentioned about having bought the "Cold Spell Ahead" EP. I
somehow managed to destroy the original posting. Could you please tell me
the name of the company that released the EP?
Do they have an E-mail address?
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From: Matthew Shaw
To: "infected@cs.uchicago.edu" ,
"'Joonas Virtasalo'"
Subject: RE: Cold Spell Ahead ?
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:38:51 -0000
Message-Id: <01BADDAD.1F0DF8C0@mshaw_pc.businessobjects.co.uk>
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From: Joonas Virtasalo[SMTP:joonas@jazz.cc.spt.fi]
Sent: 06 January 1996 15:47
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Cold Spell Ahead ?
>Somebody mentioned about having bought the "Cold Spell Ahead" EP. I
>somehow managed to destroy the original posting. Could you please tell me
> the name of the company that released the EP?
I have a copy of Cold Spell Ahead by 4AD records. I'm not sure if you can get it over here. I bought my copy is in States.
> Do they have an E-mail address?
Don't know.
Matt Shaw
(in the UK!)
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From: Steven W Hill
To: matthew.shaw@businessobjects.co.uk
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Cold Spell Ahead ?
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 13:36:10 CST
Message-Id: <9601221942.AA00264@harper.cc.il.us>
> I have a copy of Cold Spell Ahead by 4AD records.
> I'm not sure if you can get it over here. I bought my copy is in States.
> Matt Shaw
You'd better check again. Cold Spell Ahead was released on Some Bizzarre.
The only 4AD releases related to The The are the very first single
"Controversial Subject" and Matt Johnson's "Burning Blue Soul" LP,
re-attributed to The The upon CD re-release.
http://www.idis.com/shill/tt/thethe20.htm
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill, Network Communications Specialist, 708-925-6273
[] [] [] Harper College, 1200 W Algonquin Rd, Palatine IL 60067-7398
----shill@harper.cc.il.us----http://www.harper.cc.il.us----
[] [] [] "Lousy Smarch weather!"
[][] [][] personal:(http://www.idis.com/shill/index.htm)
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From: Matthew Shaw
To: "'Steven W Hill'"
Cc: "infected@cs.uchicago.edu"
Subject: RE: Cold Spell Ahead ?
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:21:57 -0000
Message-Id: <01BAECC1.E31298C0@mshaw_pc.businessobjects.co.uk>
Steven,
Err,. yeap your right !! I'm all a bit confussed !!
Matt
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From: Steven W Hill[SMTP:shill@harper.cc.il.us]
Sent: 22 January 1996 19:36
To: matthew.shaw@businessobjects.co.uk
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Cold Spell Ahead ?
> I have a copy of Cold Spell Ahead by 4AD records.
> I'm not sure if you can get it over here. I bought my copy is in States.
> Matt Shaw
You'd better check again. Cold Spell Ahead was released on Some Bizzarre.
The only 4AD releases related to The The are the very first single
"Controversial Subject" and Matt Johnson's "Burning Blue Soul" LP,
re-attributed to The The upon CD re-release.
http://www.idis.com/shill/tt/thethe20.htm
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill, Network Communications Specialist, 708-925-6273
[] [] [] Harper College, 1200 W Algonquin Rd, Palatine IL 60067-7398
----shill@harper.cc.il.us----http://www.harper.cc.il.us----
[] [] [] "Lousy Smarch weather!"
[][] [][] personal:(http://www.idis.com/shill/index.htm)
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From: Peter Caira
To: Joonas Virtasalo
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Cold Spell Ahead ?
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:52:42 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
On Sat, 6 Jan 1996, Joonas Virtasalo wrote:
> Somebody mentioned about having bought the "Cold Spell Ahead" EP. I
> somehow managed to destroy the original posting. Could you please tell me
> the name of the company that released the EP?
Hi, that was me....the record company listed is "Some Bizzare LTD" and
the catalog number of the cd is: SBZCD016
> Do they have an E-mail address?
There is no email address listed anywere on the cd or packaging...
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: Graham Moore
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 8:25:56 +0000 (GMT)
Message-ID: <9601090830.aa13990@scott.sco.com>
Poor excuse!
>From scol.london.sco.com!sco.sco.com!cs.cs.uchicago.edu!cs.uchicago.edu!behfar Mon Jan 8 23:44:51 1996
>From: ROMIG@emuvax.emich.edu
>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 18:09:03 -0500 (EST)
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>Message-Id: <960108180903.21601a6a@emuvax.emich.edu>
>Subject: unsubscribe
>have to unsubscribe for now. have to graduate. have to get out of debt. have
>to sleep. have to...
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From: marice@students.wisc.edu (elvis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:58:48 -0600
Message-Id: <199601121858.MAA63905@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>unsubscribe
COWARDS!!!
- -elvis
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: from dusk to dawn..
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 16:36:55 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199601112236.QAA06825@lily.cs.uchicago.edu>
just read that tarantino is working on a project
called "from dusk to dawn".. don't think it has anything
to do with the The, and actually hope that it doesn't..
behfar
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From: Doug Chase
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: from dusk to dawn..
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 96 18:18:27 PST
Message-Id: red-51-msg960114021839MTP[01.52.00]000000a6-13171
Yeah, it's supposed to be out next weekend (1/19). Harvey Keitel (sp?)
is in it too. Looks cool.
Doug
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|From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
|To:
|Subject: from dusk to dawn..
|Date: Thursday, January 11, 1996 4:36PM
|
|
|just read that tarantino is working on a project
|called "from dusk to dawn".. don't think it has anything
|to do with the The, and actually hope that it doesn't..
|
|behfar
|
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From: "P.J. Peterson"
To: Infected
Subject: EP's and Videos
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:50:04 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
When I got Burning Blue Soul (the re-release) in 1993, I noticed that a
new EP was due out the next year. It was called 'The The play Hank'.
Well I know what happened with that :) I was just curious as to the two
videos on Solitude. 48 hours with the The in New Orleans and 48 hours
with the The in New York. Is that what "From Dusk 'Til Dawn" was
supposed to be orginally? And also, I was wondering if Matt just had a
habit of wanting to release something before it was made. It seems that
more often that not, that's what happened. I knew he wanted to make
videos out of all the songs of Mind Bomb, but ran out of money.
Just curious
PJ
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I smell the pain upon the breath of the lost and the lonely"- the The
___________________________________________________________________________
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (Dowotchalike)
To: pp134892@oak.cats.ohiou.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: From Dusk 'til Dawn
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:31:26 +0100
Message-Id: <96011914312625@mozart.which.co.uk>
In reference to:
>When I got Burning Blue Soul (the re-release) in 1993, I noticed that a
>new EP was due out the next year. It was called 'The The play Hank'.
>Well I know what happened with that :) I was just curious as to the two
>videos on Solitude. 48 hours with the The in New Orleans and 48 hours
>with the The in New York. Is that what "From Dusk 'Til Dawn" was
>supposed to be orginally?
>From Dusk 'til Dawn could have been this originally I suppose. This video
consists of Matt and Johnny (Marr) with camera(man?) and mic asking people
(relatively) famous or otherwise what they think the problems of the world are
and then asking how they would solve these problems. These are intermingled
with videos of various songs from Dusk - either excerts or full videos. The
videos come into the video at relevant points where their meaning is obvious
from the responses given. It begs the question "were the songs written before
or after these discussions"? (does anyone know?) The video ends with a
recording of Matt and Johnny from a Cab drivers TV station. This is very
interesting and somewhat bizzarre. Basically, get it, it's great. The only
videos I know The the have released are Infected, the Live one - forgotten it's
name - The the verses the world or something like that and From Dusk 'til Dawn.
>And also, I was wondering if Matt just had a
>habit of wanting to release something before it was made. It seems that
>more often that not, that's what happened. I knew he wanted to make
>videos out of all the songs of Mind Bomb, but ran out of money.
Just curious
PJ
Matt's ambitions are obviously too large for the status he is given by his
record company. Certainly The the play's Hank was announced way before it came
out as the I Saw The Light EP and then Hanky Panky LP. I wonder what is
happening with Gun Sluts? - don't suppose anyone has any ideas?
Jake.
"...they're not backward's in coming forwards..."
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From: "Corbett J. Klempay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: "From Dusk 'Til Dawn"
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:54:38 -0500
Message-id: <2.2.32.19960119155438.006e19f0@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Where are you guys getting the copies of this that you're watching?
Can it be rented? Did you buy it? From where? I've heard of it, but I've
never seen the tape. In fact, I don't remember seeing any the The stuff in
the video rental places I've been to (but they always seem to have plenty of
other crap, like Boyz II Men and other overplayed stuff). Also, on a
somewhat unrelated note, has anyone heard anything on Gun Sluts? I seem to
remember someone saying a long time ago (months, summer at the latest) that
Matt was in Italy recording it then. Any rumors or anything?
-Corbett J. Klempay
The Johns Hopkins University
cklempay@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: Alicia Sepulveda
To: "Corbett J. Klempay"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Despair
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:46:10 -0600 (CST)
Message-ID:
Does anyone know if 'Perfect' and 'Flesh and Bones' (from the Some
Bizzare compilation 'If you can't please yourself...') are rescued tracks
from The Pornography of Despair? Considering they have similar sound &
production, and that "perfect"'s lyrics weren't included in Soul Mining
(not on my vinyl or CD, at least) along with the others, I think it's
possible. Could anyone shed some light on this?
Pablo, Mexico City
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Deux Filles?
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:15:46 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id:
I just recently picked up a disc titled "Silence and Wisdom" by
the band Deux Filles. Within the CD liner I noticed that Matt Johnson
helped with it (his name was listed in the section thanking people who
helped and/or contributed to the album). Does anyone know what
involvement he had with this band. I have listened to it (although, I do
admit, this listening was very passive) and could not find out where MJ
added his two bits. Anyone out there have any answers!!
S.B. :)
_________________________________________________________________________
If I could choose the life I pleased
Then I would be a boatman
Along the canals and the rivers free
No hasty words are spoken
My only law the river breeze
Would take me to the open seas
-The Levellers
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: deux filles
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:28:55 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
it also has a member of marc and the mambas on it, matt's old band with
marc almond. there only seems to be a track or two that has even the
slightest matt influence, so i would say if you aren't an absolute
fanatic, don't go hunting. it is pretty hard to pin down his exact
involvement, and when i asked him about it on the aol chat, he denied any
knowledge of the thing at all. so don't expect any easy answers. but it
is pretty damn rare.
- ---------------------------------------------------------
I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
It seemed like the whole world was lost.
Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
------------------------------
From: Graham Moore
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Bad news from the mouth of Matt
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:53:09 +0000 (GMT)
Message-ID: <9601221055.aa21286@scott.sco.com>
Got some bad news for everyone.
I was rather fortunate in bumping into Matt on a flight from Heathrow (UK)
to Newark last Monday (15th Jan). He was wearing a cap when he boarded the
plan so I didn't immediately recognise him (I was also groggy from spending
nearly 7 hours in the terminal, thanks Mr Branson).
After convincing myself he was who I thought he was, I spoke to him and got
him to sign the back of my passport. I asked him about Gun Sluts. He
sheepsishly replied that its been scrapped (sob sob!). He is starting on
some new work which will be about 12 months away. He wouldn't let out any
more.
We chatted about a few more things like Hanky Panky but he let no more out
of the bag.
However he did say that he may be doing another AOL chat thing this year
but he didn't know when.
I must admit the next day it all felt like a dream. But for the autograph in
my passport I could convince myself I never really met him.
Graham Moore
grahamm@sco.com
Santa Cruz Operation Ltd, Watford, United Kingdom
------------------------------
From: Madhatter
To: Graham Moore
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Bad news from the mouth of Matt
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 12:37:30 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Graham Moore wrote:
>
> Got some bad news for everyone.
>
> I was rather fortunate in bumping into Matt on a flight from Heathrow (UK)
> to Newark last Monday (15th Jan). He was wearing a cap when he boarded the
> plan so I didn't immediately recognise him (I was also groggy from spending
> nearly 7 hours in the terminal, thanks Mr Branson).
>
> After convincing myself he was who I thought he was, I spoke to him and got
> him to sign the back of my passport. I asked him about Gun Sluts. He
> sheepsishly replied that its been scrapped (sob sob!). He is starting on
> some new work which will be about 12 months away. He wouldn't let out any
> more.
>
> We chatted about a few more things like Hanky Panky but he let no more out
> of the bag.
>
> However he did say that he may be doing another AOL chat thing this year
> but he didn't know when.
>
> I must admit the next day it all felt like a dream. But for the autograph in
> my passport I could convince myself I never really met him.
>
>
> Graham Moore
> grahamm@sco.com
> Santa Cruz Operation Ltd, Watford, United Kingdom
>
>
>
>
>
>
I'm real sorry to hear about the Gunsluts news, but as for meeting The
Man, WOW! I'm envious.
------------------------------
From: "M.A.Moynier"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: advice
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:22:40 GMT
Message-ID: <6440CD3C08@fs1.art.man.ac.uk>
I saw the limited edition single for The Beat(en) Generation in a
used CD shop and I was wondering if the remixes are any good. I think
the original song is alright, but not one of my favorites, so that's
why I didn't immediately snatch it up. Opinions, anybody?
Mark
****************************************
mfzx5mam@stud.man.ac.uk
------------------------------
From: "Corbett J. Klempay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The posters, etc.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:10:32 -0500
Message-id: <2.2.32.19960122181032.0069c4a8@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Does anyone know of any good places from which I can mail order the
The posters and other stuff like that? Since I'm here at school with no car
and therefore no way to get to any record stores that might have stuff, I'd
like to find some places to order from. Besides, I'm not from Baltimore, so
I'm clueless as to where to even go in town for stuff like that. My
girlfriend has a car, but she's not back to school yet (we haven't started
second semester yet), and getting our schedules or match for a trip
somewhere like that isn't easy. So, if anyone can help me out, it would be
appreciated. I'm particularly looking for that Mind Bomb-era poster with a
white background and Matt in the middle, with the rest of the guys on each
side of him. I just saw a picture of it once; I think it may have been for
The Beaten Generation. And as for Graham's news about Gun Sluts: that
sucks. Now we've must wait longer yet for more good stuff. Well, I'm sure
it will be worth the wait, so I suppose I shouldn't whine. Thanks in
advance for any help!
-Corbett J. Klempay
The Johns Hopkins University
cklempay@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
------------------------------
From: sjsmith@quimby.os2bbs.com (Stephen J. Smith)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The The posters, etc.
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 19:59:06 EST
Message-Id: <9601230056.AA3107@bbsx.os2bbs.com>
On Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:10:32 -0500 Corbett J. Klempay wrote:
>Does anyone know of any good places from which I can mail order the The posters and other stuff like that?
Try:
POSTER HELL
1856 Cherry Ave. #609
Long Beach, CA 90815
310-494-8003
I ordered a "the The vs. The World First Tour Ever!" poster from them
in October '94. It's a nice poster - white, with a large group photo,
& the covers of Soul Mining, Infected, Infected (VHS), & Soul Mining
along the bottom.
Good luck!
Steve
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: beaten single
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:16:43 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
i kind of like the palmer mix and campfire mix. neither is very
different, but i thought they both add to the song a little bit...
- ---------------------------------------------------------
I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
It seemed like the whole world was lost.
Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
------------------------------
From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: I'm really depressed
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:07:14 -0800
Message-Id: <199601230507.VAA00991@ix2.ix.netcom.com>
They say bad things happen in threes, i thinks it be true
1. major personal ouch, too personal to share
2. it's 30 belowe zero and I have no heat, well only once in a while,
the pipes keeps a freezin, even my furry cat had icicles on her
chin
3. gun sluts is no more, well maybe, but probablly
I have no beer in the house and no hot water to even take a shower.
life sucks, tomorrow is another day
euthlene
------------------------------
From: marice@students.wisc.edu (elvis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: I'm really depressed
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:29:46 -0600
Message-Id: <199601230529.XAA28642@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>They say bad things happen in threes, i thinks it be true
>
>1. major personal ouch, too personal to share
>2. it's 30 belowe zero and I have no heat, well only once in a while,
> the pipes keeps a freezin, even my furry cat had icicles on her
> chin
>3. gun sluts is no more, well maybe, but probablly
>
>I have no beer in the house and no hot water to even take a shower.
>
>life sucks, tomorrow is another day
>
>euthlene
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------------------------------------------------------------
oh, it's a wicked world...
is it just me or are the angst monstas fucking with everyone?
- -elvisina
>
------------------------------
From: Lisa Moran
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: videos
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:25:57 +1030
Message-Id: <199601231355.AAA09111@box.satech.net.au>
just wondering what everyones opinions on the various the The videos was and
which they would recommend more highly...
------------------------------
From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:42:16 CST
Message-Id: <9601232242.AA17601@pv3449.vincent.iastate.edu>
As to which video to buy, my recommendation would be theThe vs. the
world. It's a live concert with music from Burning Blue Soul through
Mind Bomb. I saw the same tour as the video and it was great. Tim Pope
did a great job of capturing theThe live.
walker
------------------------------
From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (will you be there?, WILL YOU BE THERE?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Video to buy
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:55:22 +0100
Message-Id: <96012411552266@mozart.which.co.uk>
RE: Which video?
To be fair, although The the Vs The World is a good live video it is just that.
In response to the question "What is the best The the video?" then there surely
is only one answer:
Infected.
God, any The the fan who hasn't seen this video is seriously missing out. If
you can find it then buy it.
Jake.
------------------------------
From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The Violence of Truth
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:19:17 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id:
OK, let's try to get the conversation rolling.
How about 'The Violence of Truth.' I for one think it is a
fine tune. However the lines:
What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
(when we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
And while the niggers of this world are starving with their
mouths wide open!
What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless
little tokens?
do not sit too well with me. What do the rest of you think?
I refuse to believe that Matt was making some sort of racist
remark, but the only other explanation I can come up with is that it was
done for shock value.
Any suggestions?
S.B. :)
_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."
-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: Abu Hajj
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Violence of Truth
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:39:21 -0800
Message-Id: <199601251739.JAA18129@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>
> | And while the niggers of this world are starving with their
> | mouths wide open!
> | What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless
> | little tokens?
a "nigger" refered to a second class citizen long before it came to
be a racist term for blacks. it became a racist term because in the
old south (US), east indies, and mercantilist euro countries before
1800, blacks were used as slaves, i.e. slaves being second class
citizens, and over time the derogatory term stuck.
i see this passage as a comment like "surely you're not saying we
have the resources to save the poor from they're lot. There will be
poor always, pathetically starving, look at the good things you've
got" (gratuitious andrew lloyd webber quote)
i think that Matt Johnson thinks out his opinions too well to fall
into that category of moronic racist, and i certainly think that he
chose the word "nigger" for shock value, literal meaning, and to
keep us all thinking.
until later - JP
- ----------------
This experience has made me redefine my sense of beauty.
-I think her name was Suzanne
------------------------------
From: marice@students.wisc.edu (elvis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Violence of Truth
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 12:59:44 -0600
Message-Id: <199601251859.MAA118010@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
>
>> | And while the niggers of this world are starving with their
>> | mouths wide open!
>> | What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless
>> | little tokens?
>
>a "nigger" refered to a second class citizen long before it came to
>be a racist term for blacks. it became a racist term because in the
>old south (US), east indies, and mercantilist euro countries before
>1800, blacks were used as slaves, i.e. slaves being second class
>citizens, and over time the derogatory term stuck.
thanks for the history lesson. here's my take on his use of the word. has
anyone else out there heard the ever popular phrase "niggers come in all
colors"???
i think he's referring to assholes and didn't want to come outright and say
it. the word nigger has shock value, but i think MJ was taking posession of
the word and trying to use it in a manner not degrading to african americans
and such. i hope MJ is too passionate, as i think he is, to be a racist.
that would severely disappoint me.
- -elvisina
------------------------------
From: psj@re.dk
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The Violence of Truth
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 13:40:28 +0200
Message-Id: <199601261234.AA26218@ic1.ic.dk>
> | And while the niggers of this world are starving with their
> | mouths wide open!
> | What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless
> | little tokens?
JP wrote:
*******************
a "nigger" refered to a second class citizen long before it came to
be a racist term for blacks. it became a racist term because in the
old south (US), east indies, and mercantilist euro countries before
1800, blacks were used as slaves, i.e. slaves being second class
citizens, and over time the derogatory term stuck.
********************
Hmm.. I find that hard to believe because in Spanish and Portugese you have=
=20
the word "negro" meaning black, in French you have the word "n=E8gre" meani=
ng=20
black, and mostly imporantly you have the Latin word "nigrum" meaning,=20
you've guessed it, black. The word "nigger" was derived from these and so=20
logically it must have been used exclusively as a reference to blacks, at=20
least to begin with. Derogatory goes without saying because before, lets=20
say, the beginning of this century, if you didn't consider blacks to be one=
=20
step above the chimpanzees on the evolutionary scale then you were a bit=20
weird.
JP also wrote:
*******************
i see this passage as a comment like "surely you're not saying we
have the resources to save the poor from they're lot. There will be
poor always, pathetically starving, look at the good things you've
got" (gratuitious andrew lloyd webber quote)
i think that Matt Johnson thinks out his opinions too well to fall
into that category of moronic racist, and i certainly think that he
chose the word "nigger" for shock value, literal meaning, and to
keep us all thinking.
******************
I disagree. I think he believes that we have the resources to stop=20
starvation in the world but questions why, despite all our efforts and=20
goodwill, all the aid we give them, we still see starving blacks on the=20
telly. I also think its extremely narrow minded to take every word that=20
comes out of MJ's mouth during a song as an expression of his personal=20
opinion. "Niggers of this world " is really an interesting - and very=20
effective - lyric. Perhaps he meant to say "and while the peoples having a=20
predominantly native African genetic makeup in this world..." naah,=20
perhaps not.
Paul
------------------------------
From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Violence of Truth
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:12:53 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
I always thought that the song was speaking about the selfishness of
those who have more than they need. Very few of us "give 'til it hurts"
so whatever aid we offer to the poor appears to be a paltry sum to others
(as well as ourselves), regardless of our noble intentions.
\/\/endy
------------------------------
From: Jeff Croft
To: Doug Chase
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: The Violence of Truth
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:28:45 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID:
On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Doug Chase wrote:
> I always viewed this as refering to all the starving people in the
> world. Why is it that all the help we try to give them (money, food)
> doesn't do any good? As for the use of the word nigger, I can only
> assume he used it to make a point about how the less fortunate people
> in this world are viewed by some ot the more fortunate.
>
> I like the lines:
>
> Why is that everything on this Earth we do not understand
> We are pushed down on our knees to worship or to damn?
> Those are the rules of religion, those are the laws of the land...
>
> Fits in pretty well with my generally cynical view of organized religion.
This line of discussion fits with a thing I have been reading on the
World Wide Web.
Here is the URL:
http://www.impropaganda.com/zenarchy.html
The whole site has a lot of other similarly interesting things.
Jeff Croft
jdcroft@eng.utah.edu
------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: The Violence of Truth
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 15:07:35 PST
Message-Id: red-51-msg960124230756MTP[01.52.00]000000a6-25271
|OK, let's try to get the conversation rolling.
since it looks like we won't be talking about Gun Sluts for a while :-(
| How about 'The Violence of Truth.' I for one think it is a
|fine tune. However the lines:
|
| What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
I interpreted this to mean about what it says -- "Why are we ashamed to
be white?" Other races stress pride in their race, but as whites, why
are we made to feel ashamed? Maybe for all the wrongs the whites have
done over the years, I don't know.
| (when we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
I don't know what "the sound of machine gun fire" symbolizes or how
this fits in with the rest of it. Anyone?
| And while the niggers of this world are starving with their
| mouths wide open!
| What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless
| little tokens?
I always viewed this as refering to all the starving people in the
world. Why is it that all the help we try to give them (money, food)
doesn't do any good? As for the use of the word nigger, I can only
assume he used it to make a point about how the less fortunate people
in this world are viewed by some ot the more fortunate.
I like the lines:
Why is that everything on this Earth we do not understand
We are pushed down on our knees to worship or to damn?
Those are the rules of religion, those are the laws of the land...
Fits in pretty well with my generally cynical view of organized religion.
Doug Chase
PS does anybody know if "Darkness Falls" (from Judge Dredd) was ever
release as a single? I've never seen it anywhere if it has. I'd like
to get it eventually, but I'd rather buy a The The single than the
soundtrack.
------------------------------
From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: wanted to trade ALERT WARNING
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:32:25 -0800
Message-Id: <199601250032.QAA13933@ix3.ix.netcom.com>
I have two things just beggin' for a trade!
Sold Spell Ahead, picture CD
Slow Train to Dawn 12" vinyl single
Email me, the Sharkless Frozen Girl
uthelene@ix.netcom.com
ola
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: curious
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:13:48 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
while wandering around the world wide web, i saw an einsturzende
neubauten discography. i am not really a fan, but i was poking around in
there and found a listing for a soundtrack from 1984 called "decoder."
music included fm einheit, genesis p orridge, and MATT JOHNSON of the the.
does anyone know anything about this? this is the first time i have ever
heard of this.
- ---------------------------------------------------------
I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
It seemed like the whole world was lost.
Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
------------------------------
From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
To: The The list
Subject: Fwd: curious
Subject: curious
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 23:13:48 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
while wandering around the world wide web, i saw an einsturzende
neubauten discography. i am not really a fan, but i was poking around
in
there and found a listing for a soundtrack from 1984 called "decoder."
music included fm einheit, genesis p orridge, and MATT JOHNSON of the
the.
does anyone know anything about this? this is the first time i have
ever
heard of this.
- ---------------------------------------------------------
I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
It seemed like the whole world was lost.
Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
well if hirshdave hasn't heard of this...i'm agast!
i'm an einsturzende neaubauten fan and have everything, well i though I
had everything. this is a new one on me too! also a fan of psychic
tv--genesis p orridge and never heard about this soundtrack from that
angle either.
i've got some calls to make!
cheers, euthelene
------------------------------
From: Abu Hajj
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: curious
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 09:46:10 -0800
Message-Id: <199601251746.JAA18460@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>
> while wandering around the world wide web, i saw an einsturzende
> neubauten discography.
what is the web site???
> i am not really a fan, but i was poking around in
> there and found a listing for a soundtrack from 1984 called "decoder."
> music included fm einheit, genesis p orridge, and MATT JOHNSON of the the.
> does anyone know anything about this? this is the first time i have ever
> heard of this.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
> It seemed like the whole world was lost.
> Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
> to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
until later - JP
- ----------------
What is FRUITOPIA???? SNAPPLE on acid.
------------------------------
From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: violence of truth
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:12:03 CST
Message-Id: <9601252212.AA23185@pv3449.vincent.iastate.edu>
- --------
In reading everyone's analysis of MJ's lyrics I'm a little disturbed by
the assumption that the song's persona represents MJ's own feelings.
Although I suspect the words in most of MJ's songs represent his personal
feelings, that's a dangerous assumption to make in every case. I doubt
he's ever been a helpline operator or flown a jet over the Gulf of
Arabia. That's what I like about MJ, his insight. He's able to get into
others' heads through his lyrics. Just a thought.
walker
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: neubauten discography
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:13:42 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
http://alfred.uib.no/People/henrik/neubauten/text/discog
so does anyone know about this matt thing or not?
- ---------------------------------------------------------
I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
It seemed like the whole world was lost.
Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
------------------------------
From: marice@students.wisc.edu (elvisina)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:06:22 -0600
Message-Id: <199601252306.RAA120687@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Soundtrack: DECODER
LP 1984 What's So Funny About... SF 18 GE
CD 1992 What's So Funny About... SF 18 CD GE
Riots / Muzak Recording / Dream Machine / Pirates
Notes:
All tracks by F.M. Einheit with Jon Caffery and Alexander V. Borsig
(aka Alexander Hacke). Soundtrack also includes material by Dave
Ball (Soft Cell), Matt Johnson (The The), Genesis P. Orridge (Psychic
TV), and others.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -------
this was all i saw there. was there something more. i mean, from what i
gather, it was just a soundtrack, and EN didn't play with MJ at all. what a
disappointment. oh well. *sigh*
- -elvisina
------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hank
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 17:09:42 PST
Message-Id: red-51-msg960126011035MTP[01.52.00]000000a6-26961
This seems to be a relatively tolerant group with diverse music tastes,
so I'll throw this out in case anybody else likes Hank Williams doing
Hank Williams songs as much as they like the The doing Hank Williams
songs. :-)
There's a new Hank CD out called "Alone and Forsaken". It's kind of a
best songs compilation, and pretty good recording quality (generally
better than on The The vs Hank). But the unique thing about it is that
Matt does a spoken intro to the disc, and has a brief paragraph in the
liner notes. I kind of got the impression that he had something to do
with the compilation, but it doesn't say that in the liner notes or anything.
There's no The The on it so don't buy it if you don't like Hank. I
kind of grew up on old-time country music so I picked it up and like
it. I don't know how common it is -- I was going to buy a copy for my
dad but couldn't find it any place. The place I got mine only had one.
Doug Chase
PS. I can't remember if I've already posted this or just thought about
it. If I've already posted it, please ignore it and feel free to tell
me I'm an idiot...
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: flesh and bones
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:55:14 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
flesh and bones is too late to be from porno, it is just a track matt did
in between soul mining and infected, giving it a sound like both of them.
perfect? there are two versions of it floating around, and one sounds
more like the porno stuff than the version that ended up on soul mining,
but there doesn't seem to be a good track listing for porno of despair
anywhere.
- ---------------------------------------------------------
I was sad and blue, I was downhearted too.
It seemed like the whole world was lost.
Then I took a chance, and we happened to dance,
to the tune of the Alabama waltz.
------------------------------
From: kevin@firstcom.com (Kevin Paez)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Violence of truth, subscribe
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 02:20:46 -0600
Message-Id: <199601280819.CAA10002@cs.uchicago.edu>
John Lennon said,"woman is the nigger of the world". It has very little to
do with insulting anyone. MJ, like lil' Elvis said, was using the term for
a divine purpose. My Band, a Cosmic Slut Production, is having tee-shirts
made that say, "Nigger Lover". What do you think of this? Is expressing
this for empowerment of those who have been oppressed for helping the
oppressed too radical? Why? Why not?
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