july 95
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: that nagging top 10
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:31:41 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183140_98091137@aol.com>
this changes as i have over 3000 CDs and like too many styles of music for my
own good, or rather my $$'s own good. this was really hard to do and i
cheated by grouping similar artists where i felt appropriate. here goes
nothing...
1. theThe
in no particualr order
2. talking heads
3. tchaikovsky
4. miles davis/don cherry
5. parliment/bootsy collins
6. charlie parker / john coltrane
7. savage republic / anti-group
8. foetus / spk / test dept
9. joy division / bauhaus / sisters of mercy
10. laurie anderson
11. roxy music
okay so i really cheated, but considering i listen to over 15 style of music,
this was a killer.
now the question is, if you only could keep 5 releases for ever, which five
would that be?
the the infected
depeche mode songs of faith and devotion
roxy music avalon
talk talk, the party's over
talking heads speaking in tongues
whew
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subversive and sometime lonely accomlishment
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: how i got stuck on thethe
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:31:46 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183144_98091213@aol.com>
listened since there was something to listen to. i've always had a hankering
for those overseas artists i guess. infected is still my all time listen,
although i actually like everything. beat(en) generation at first made me
cringe, in fact, i declared that thethe was taking a nose dive into hell, but
i was going right there with em. upon a much more matured approach to music
overcame me i now fully appreciate everything, i may not love it, cherish it,
hug it, pet it....
okay enough of that. the clincher was an interview i got to do on the Mind
Bomb tour with Matt. I was very sick with some nasty flu, i have proof. And
because the tour was already cancelled due to Andy's death, i wasn't going to
miss on this. If i recall, the interview was done with me in one studio and
Matt in the main studio. I didn't want to get him sick.
Absolutley the best interview ever, i am devoted until the very end. One of
the most geniune, real, sincere person i've ever interviewed. And because
i've been in radio and the label biz for a while 97 years total) i've met
enough people to get a feel for who the idiots are.
that's how i became a theThe addict, devotee, mavan and admirer.
cheers
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subervsive and sometimes lonely accomplishment. vernon reid as
interpretted by moi.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: official hi
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:31:49 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183148_98091279@aol.com>
i've been on the list for a couple of weeks now and thought i'd make it
official.
i'll posting quite a few announcements and in the interest of those who could
care less about how i got to be a thethe fan or my top 10 or whatever it is i
have to say each subject line will clue you in. so get ready for the
euthelene post-fest :)))
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish that, it can
be the most subversive and sometimes lonely accomplishment. vernon reid as
interpretted by moi.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: i've been robbed
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:34:41 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183438_98091070@aol.com>
actually the policeman says i was burgeled, either way some soon to be
tortured if ever caught guy broke into several apartments and stole things.
he stole a lot from me including t-shirts and cds, vinly.
i'm trying to replace somethings which are probaly unreplaceable. any
assistance is greatly appreciated. you can email me personally
at euthelene@aol.com. (no more free edu accounts for me :((
controversial subject 7"
perfect 7"
this is the day 7"
this is the day 2-7" gatefold
gravitate to me 7"
gravitate to me 12" etched
dogs of lust double jewel pack parts 1 & 2 cd
slow emotion replay, double jewel pak, parts 1 &2 cd
love is stronger than death single both parts, cd
love is stronger than death 12"
burning blue soul, vinyl original Matt Johnson
thethe infected songbook
infected bomb t-shirt on white
some shirt from the mind bomb which i can't remember
the dogs of lust on black
and the lost/lonely/lustful t on black
that's it but he might as well just taken my soul...
any help? thanks this list service is just peachy i waded through all 500
+ messages this past weekend, i've got keyboarditis but it was worth it. i
can tell there are some groovy and intense people out there. peace and
cheers
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subversive, sometimes lonely thing. vernon reid as interpretted
by moi.
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From: Gina Greer
To: Euthelene@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: i've been robbed
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:09:08 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
>
> infected bomb t-shirt on white
> some shirt from the mind bomb which i can't remember
> the dogs of lust on black
> and the lost/lonely/lustful t on black
the lost/lonely/lustful t on black WAS still avail thru theThe
newsletter when received. check with them for availability of
all lost . . . sorry to hear about your loss--some people have
NO clue.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: related request
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:34:45 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183440_98091102@aol.com>
i'm looking for an anthology called, The New Trouser Press Record Guide by
Ira A. Robbins on Collier books. I have the 4th and 3rd editions. I need
the 1st and 2nd. anyone with a copy willing to part or info on where i could
get these. thanks a bunch
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subversive, and sometimes lonely accomplishment. vernon reid as
interpretted by moi.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: some bizarre compliation
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:34:46 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183444_98091163@aol.com>
i'm looking for a compilation from 1985 of some bizarre artists called
"If You Can't Please Your Self, You Can't Please Your Soul." contains tracks
by carbaret voltaire, a beavy of other goodies and of course theThe. anyone
with info or a spare copy?
cheers
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subervsive and sometime lonely accomplishment. vernon reid as
interpretted by moi.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: some bizarre compliation
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:42:50 -0400
Message-Id: <950619194247_74113054@aol.com>
the original is of course real hard to find, but there is a promo for kingdom
of rain with flesh and bones, matt's track, floating around.
by the way, there is also an 81 or so some bizarre comp with untitled the the
track, and a cherry red music comp from around the same time with a matt solo
track that rules the world. in case you didn't know.
bad luck on the 7"s. sadly, most of it is a one time only buy it now or
never again sort of thing. although a local store (DC) did recently have all
of the stuff you are missing, being that someone sold a whole collection.
probably sold yours. ha ha sort of.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: not on the discography?
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:34:50 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183449_98091245@aol.com>
i recently purchased a 10" vinyl of entitled, "theThe v. World".
UPC = 5099765533682, EMUQT10
1989, CBS, UK Ltd
Side A
i. Armageddon Days are Here (again) (Album Version)
words on back side of sleeve
ii. Nature of Virtue
produced by Paul Hardiman and MJ
Side B
i. Mental Healing Process
produced by MJ
ii. Perfect
produced by Paul Hardiman and MJ
Aii, Bi, Bii from the cassette of Soul Mining, EPC 40-25525
the sleeve is a map of Europe with the theThe logo in red/orange over 80 % of
the front sleeve.
anyone else seen this, have it and how much is it worth? anything?
cheers
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subversive and sometimes lonely accomplishment. vernon reid as
interpretted by moi.
design by Fiona Skinner
artwork The Artifex Studio
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From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on the discography?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 02:35:43 -0701
Message-Id: <199507040936.CAA26567@gn2.getnet.com>
>i recently purchased a 10" vinyl of entitled, "theThe v. World".
>UPC = 5099765533682, EMUQT10
>1989, CBS, UK Ltd
............
>the sleeve is a map of Europe with the theThe logo in red/orange over 80 % of
>the front sleeve.
>
>anyone else seen this, have it and how much is it worth? anything?
>
>cheers
>euthelene
I've seen that record before because a friend of mine had it. No clue
as to what it's worth. I had a 12" also called the The vs. the World
but it was just plain white with the the The logo in gold or yellow.
The songs were two versions of Kingdom of Rain and Flesh and
Bones and another song which I can't recall, because the record
was stolen from me!
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From: Steve Hill
Sender: shill@harper.cc.il.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on the discography?
Date: 20 Jun 1995 09:22:46 -0500
Message-Id: <1995Jun20.092246-0500@[157.178.121.56]>
In <950619183449_98091245@aol.com>, Euthelene@aol.com wrote:
> i recently purchased a 10" vinyl of entitled, "theThe v. World".
> UPC = 5099765533682, EMUQT10
> 1989, CBS, UK Ltd
(tracks deleted)
> the sleeve is a map of Europe with the theThe logo in red/orange over 80 % of
> the front sleeve.
>
> anyone else seen this, have it and how much is it worth? anything?
Yes, it is in the discography. Did you look before asking?
Of course it's worth something. Personally, if I didn't already have it and I
was a collector (and I am), I'd offer you $15 for it. But I already have it.
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[] [] [] Network Communications Specialist Voice:708-925-6273
William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030
[] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430
[][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!
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From: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
To: Euthelene@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on the discography?
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:57:20 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
I'm very sorry but this issue has been widely available all aver the
world as well on vinyl as on CD. What it is worth? I really don't know.
not much I suppose.
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On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 Euthelene@aol.com wrote:
> i recently purchased a 10" vinyl of entitled, "theThe v. World".
> UPC = 5099765533682, EMUQT10
> 1989, CBS, UK Ltd
>
> Side A
> i. Armageddon Days are Here (again) (Album Version)
> words on back side of sleeve
>
> ii. Nature of Virtue
> produced by Paul Hardiman and MJ
>
> Side B
> i. Mental Healing Process
> produced by MJ
>
> ii. Perfect
> produced by Paul Hardiman and MJ
>
> Aii, Bi, Bii from the cassette of Soul Mining, EPC 40-25525
>
> the sleeve is a map of Europe with the theThe logo in red/orange over 80 % of
> the front sleeve.
>
> anyone else seen this, have it and how much is it worth? anything?
>
> cheers
> euthelene
>
> some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
> be the most subversive and sometimes lonely accomplishment. vernon reid as
> interpretted by moi.
> design by Fiona Skinner
> artwork The Artifex Studio
>
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: any females out there
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:34:54 -0400
Message-Id: <950619183453_98091306@aol.com>
just wondering becuase i've noticed that i'm the only female on alot of lists
and this one seems really male dominated in numbers only guys. i'm asking
because whenever i tell people my favorite band is theThe, most guys nod most
women just go HUH? what's up with that
cheers
euthelene
some people say to just be yourself, but if you truly accomplish this, it can
be the most subversive and sometimes lonely accomplishemnt. vernon reid as
interpretted by moi
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From: "Lisa J. Moran"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: any females out there
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:16:50 +0930
Message-Id: <199506200346.AA28939@basil.cs.flinders.edu.au>
>> just wondering becuase i've noticed that i'm the only female on alot of lists
>> and this one seems really male dominated in numbers only guys. i'm asking
>> because whenever i tell people my favorite band is theThe, most guys nod most
>> women just go HUH? what's up with that
>>
i can relate with that! but ive been a theThe fan for about 6
years now and altho ive converted a lot of my friends, i tend
to agree that their notability is restrained among females..
btw: thanks for everyone with the soul mining help, would any
of those B_sides be easily available on cd?
re:cds, i pay about $30 for a new new one but that is
australian money..
also, what does everyone think of burning blue soul? havent had
much of a chance to listen to it in the past and am wondering
whether to hunt it up..
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From: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
To: "Lisa J. Moran"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: any females out there
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:27:59 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
I think Burning Blue soul is a very special production. Just think of it,
Matt was very young by then. He was experimenting with very basic
drummachines and sounds. I don't think I have ever heard such an album
from somebody else that early in the computer-revolution. The Britisch
scene by then was dominated by people from the early New Wave. Especially
Vince Clarc was very active. I once heard that Matt had worked with him.
I'm not sure. Back to Burning Blue Soul. I have an vinyl issue from 1989 I
think. With a curly young Johnson on the front. I played it a lot, so
when it appeared on CD I bought that one. I think the music is very
profounded, the lyrics as well. I heard that Matt spends a lot of time on
the lyrics. He once said the music from the Dusk album had been finished
for a year before he was satisfied with the songtexts. The first time I
heard Burning Blue Soul I already knew a lot of The The stuff and I
thought:'What the @#!%* is this!?' It really wasn't The The-ish at all.
But when you listen to it you can destillate things he did on other
albums. The more I got used to the style and listened to it, the
more i appreciated it. Now it's one of the top 20 in my unwritten list.
Cheers,
Jan
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From: Wendy Sue Woltjer
To: "Lisa J. Moran"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: any females out there
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
How could any female not love Matt's voice? I think females who simply
say "HUH?" must plead ignorance...
wendy
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From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: any females out there
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 03:19:41 -0700
Message-Id: <199507041019.DAA00410@gn2.getnet.com>
>How could any female not love Matt's voice? I think females who simply
>say "HUH?" must plead ignorance...
> wendy
>
Yes I completely agree.....I love his voice. Someone in an article
about HP wrote that they thought that his voice was flat and limited (or
something like that) which I thought was totally wrong. His voice is
quite evocative (as well as provocative!) sensual and textured.
I often marvel at the fact that he has the talent to write the music
and the words AND has the perfect voice to sing it with.
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From: Gina Greer
To: Euthelene@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: any females out there
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
YES!! Dusk "turned me on" and i'll be around for a LONG time! . . . You
are correct in your statement however. In the case of theThe, for me,
they validate my feelings and emotions which i always felt in Solitude.
For those "guys" out there, i find it refreshing that men claim the same!
maybe the male domination is due to the whole internet environment which
is changing quickly!!
On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 Euthelene@aol.com wrote:
> just wondering becuase i've noticed that i'm the only female on alot of lists
> and this one seems really male dominated in numbers only guys. i'm asking
> because whenever i tell people my favorite band is theThe, most guys nod most
> women just go HUH? what's up with that
>
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From: Peter Caira
To: Euthelene@aol.com
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: any females out there
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:06:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 Euthelene@aol.com wrote:
> just wondering becuase i've noticed that i'm the only female on alot of lists
> and this one seems really male dominated in numbers only guys. i'm asking
> because whenever i tell people my favorite band is theThe, most guys nod most
> women just go HUH? what's up with that
Well, it's pretty much the other way around if you are a Tori Amos
fan...well, there are lots of guys on the mailing list and the newsgroup,
but it's female dominated for the most part...
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - Tori
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From: Gina Greer
To: Genepool@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hanky Panky
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:58:14 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 Genepool@aol.com wrote:
> <> Where are you shopping? I never pay more than 12-15 for a new CD.
or you can mail/catalog order it thru BMG even Columbia, get a 2-4-1
deal!!, then it will only cost you $9-$10!!
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From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Rob Ferguson)
To: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 01:50:04 -0400
Message-Id: <9506200550.AA01281@magi.com>
I'm here, 60 onces of Rickered Red metabolized and concogated by my
"healthy" liver. I don't wan't to
buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
"deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
person. Dosen't matter if it's the kid who packs your groceries or the girl
who finds your seat for you at the local theatre. I thought the whole point
behind the The was the importance of the individual strugles against
"every-dayness!"
Finding a reason to go on when you "don't believe in the church, government
or any of the things society
has told you to take meaning from to go on living." Lifes a shit sandwich
and everyday is another bite a
friend of mine use to say! But what I get from the The and Matt Johnson, is
that the fight is more important
than the prize. The the is a celebration of the pursuit of life in an
extastential haze. That there is no "sin" no right, no wrong, only you as
an individual strugling to compromize between your own happiness and
you own moral structure that weights your consciousness. I don't think I
can tell you not to cherish those things you collect, but isn't it bigger
than that? Doesn't it come down to the ideal that we believe the things
in his lyrics. No tangents, he is only a man who got lucky enought to say
those things which we alreadybelieved.
Dyslexic Bob
"Stream of a drunken consciousness"
3dvideo@magi.com
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From: Steve Hill
Sender: shill@harper.cc.il.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Just a comment
Date: 20 Jun 1995 09:40:20 -0500
Message-Id: <1995Jun20.094020-0500@[157.178.121.56]>
In <9506200550.AA01281@magi.com>, Rob Ferguson wrote:
> I don't wan't to
> buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
> wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
> "deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
> get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
> person.
You won't win many fans by accusing one and all of not having lives.
Personally, I've got one.
I'd bet most of the people on the list do, actually.
Also, I'm engaged, and I daresay there are probably married people on the list
too.
That said, I agree with your belief that MJohnson's words are what unite us,
not collector mentality (collecting for its own sake). Face it, though, the
premium price demanded by the rarer The The items wouldn't be so premium if it
wasn't all so damn good.
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[] [] [] Network Communications Specialist Voice:708-925-6273
William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030
[] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430
[][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!
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From: Denny Winkler
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:51:42 MST
Message-ID: <009922A5.D1D9EB98.905@hg.uleth.ca>
I won't answer the "infamous" message but,
>by the way... why "the The" not "The The" or "the the" or "The the"?
I always think it's "the The" because the first the technically isn't supposed
to be capitalized (eventhough it is the first word in the name...) and that the
second the is the "proper" name, i.e. Denny to use my name as an example.
That's what I think at least.
Denny
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From: Gina Greer
To: Denny Winkler
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:35:25 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Denny Winkler wrote:
> I won't answer the "infamous" message but,
>
> >by the way... why "the The" not "The The" or "the the" or "The the"?
>
> I always think it's "the The" because the first the technically isn't supposed
> to be capitalized (eventhough it is the first word in the name...) and that the
> second the is the "proper" name, i.e. Denny to use my name as an example.
> That's what I think at least.
THAT'S ALWAYS HOW I'VE INTERPRETED IT. Agree! Agree! and it makes sense!
i also get perturbed when even Sony does The The. i think they are sick
of my nasty emails!
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From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 03:32:09 -0700
Message-Id: <199507041032.DAA01340@gn2.getnet.com>
>I would tend to concur (quite emphatically) with "shill" (is this your
>nickname?) as to Mr. Ferguson's flame of everyone on this list-server.
>Most of the people I have met who are the The fans tend to lead rather
>interesting lives, and are fairly well developed cognitively. Of course,
>I do live in a fairly sheltered environment of academia, and my friends
>tend to be fellow grad students (ok, maybe we don't have lives of our
>own, but we're working on it!), but we aren't big haired, MTV watching, Bon
>Jovi loving, "have more Doritos, we'll make more" eating, Details reading
>(estimated sixth grade reading level), GenX self parodying miscreants. ;^>
Wait a minute! While I agree with the rest of what you said, you lost me
there.
I've subscribed to Details for 3 years and I think the writing is quite
intelligent!
(and I passed the sixth grade reading level at about second grade - not trying
to boast, just saying that I think I'm qualified to judge what is intelligent
writing.) I had no idea Details had become such a hot item among
the dimwits. If so they certainly don't understand a lot of it.
Actually, most newspapers and magazines are written at the sixth
grade level anyway, since that's what the general public expects.
>by the way... why "the The" not "The The" or "the the" or "The the"?
I think the point is to denote its evocation (or more likely parody)
of other band names, such as "the Cure" or "the Doors" where the
important word is the second one and not the article. "The The"
would make sense also, but not "the the" or "The the."
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From: VODOLOUNGE@aol.com
To: gina@wti.com, winkler@hg.uleth.ca
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:43:08 -0400
Message-Id: <950620174307_98814192@aol.com>
What am I missing here I keep getting the same messages from everyone PLZ
Advise
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From: Patrick Stewart
To: Steve Hill
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:01:39 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
> In <9506200550.AA01281@magi.com>, Rob Ferguson wrote:
> > I don't wan't to
> > buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
> > wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
> > "deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
> > get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
> > person.
>
> You won't win many fans by accusing one and all of not having lives.
> Personally, I've got one.
> I'd bet most of the people on the list do, actually.
> Also, I'm engaged, and I daresay there are probably married people on the list
> too.
>
I would tend to concur (quite emphatically) with "shill" (is this your
nickname?) as to Mr. Ferguson's flame of everyone on this list-server.
Most of the people I have met who are the The fans tend to lead rather
interesting lives, and are fairly well developed cognitively. Of course,
I do live in a fairly sheltered environment of academia, and my friends
tend to be fellow grad students (ok, maybe we don't have lives of our
own, but we're working on it!), but we aren't big haired, MTV watching, Bon
Jovi loving, "have more Doritos, we'll make more" eating, Details reading
(estimated sixth grade reading level), GenX self parodying miscreants. ;^>
While the music of Matt Johnson/the The tends to introspection, it does
not preempt an active life. As a matter of personal taste, I can't point
to any one song/album that is my favorite, for all seem to speak to me in
different ways at different times in the soundtrack of my life (although,
as I age, Jealous of Youth seems to be more apt than any other song). So
while I laud Matt Johnson for being a poet whose work might stand
amongst the greats in years to come, and will look forward to future
work, I won't magnify his glorious name. But equally, I won't deny, nor
insult, anyone for attempting to find meaning in his/her life through the
The music which speaks so eloquently to the The modern soul.
And good god, did we really have to see the message five times to get the
point?
Enough, and I apologize for running off at the keyboard.
by the way... why "the The" not "The The" or "the the" or "The the"?
Hasta,
Patrick Stewart (just a civilian- not a starship captain)
t70pas1@corn.cso.niu.edu
(no buzzlines, life's too complex for that)
------------------------------
From: Jon Bauer
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:10:37 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
> > In <9506200550.AA01281@magi.com>, Rob Ferguson wrote:
> > > I don't wan't to
> > > buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
> > > wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
> > > "deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
> > > get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
> > > person.
Rob,
True. I'm a loser. Sorry for bothering you with my lowly
"stuper-highway" existence.
- - Jon
------------------------------
From: Ray Finlay
Sender: mrvf100@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.R.V. Finlay)
To: Jon Bauer
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:07:22 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Jon Bauer wrote:
>
> > > In <9506200550.AA01281@magi.com>, Rob Ferguson wrote:
> > > > I don't wan't to
> > > > buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
> > > > wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
> > > > "deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
> > > > get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
> > > > person.
>
> Rob,
>
> True. I'm a loser. Sorry for bothering you with my lowly
> "stuper-highway" existence.
>
> - Jon
>
Oh god me too. Im so sorry for being a Cambridge University academic who
is married, plays a lot of sport and drives a Lotus. Oh shit Im going to
kill myself!!! Goodbye world
Ray
------------------------------
From: Oliver Wendell Jones
To: infected@CS.UChicago.EDU
Subject: Re: Just a comment
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:16:59 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Ray Finlay wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Jon Bauer wrote:
> > Rob,
> >
> > True. I'm a loser. Sorry for bothering you with my lowly
> > "stuper-highway" existence.
> >
> > - Jon
> >
> Oh god me too. Im so sorry for being a Cambridge University academic who
> is married, plays a lot of sport and drives a Lotus. Oh shit Im going to
> kill myself!!! Goodbye world
Well, if it makes anyone feel any better, I really don't have a
life. Sometimes I average four or five hours a day online for months at a
time. And I still like the The.
On the other hand, flames don't bother me, and if the outside
world (ie, not the net) is all life has to offer, I would almost
certainly have killed myself or sunk into a delerium of MST3K reruns
years ago.
-Geeky and proud...
-Oliver...
===============================================================================
Oliver Wendell Jones "I feel like I'm trapped in a book about someone else."
owenj@io.com -Too Much Joy
===============================================================================
------------------------------
From: Gina Greer
To: Rob Ferguson <3dvideo@magi.com>
Cc: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:26:48 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
luckily for us other drunken losers they don't take our keyboard away
from us when we are intoxicated!
rob--if you have a problem with what we discuss, why the Fu@3k don't YOU
get off the information "stuper-highway"??
On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Rob Ferguson wrote:
> I'm here, 60 onces of Rickered Red metabolized and concogated by my
> "healthy" liver. I don't wan't to
> buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
> wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
> "deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
> get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
> person. Dosen't matter if it's the kid who packs your groceries or the girl
> who finds your seat for you at the local theatre. I thought the whole point
> behind the The was the importance of the individual strugles against
> "every-dayness!"
> Finding a reason to go on when you "don't believe in the church, government
> or any of the things society
> has told you to take meaning from to go on living." Lifes a shit sandwich
> and everyday is another bite a
> friend of mine use to say! But what I get from the The and Matt Johnson, is
> that the fight is more important
> than the prize. The the is a celebration of the pursuit of life in an
> extastential haze. That there is no "sin" no right, no wrong, only you as
> an individual strugling to compromize between your own happiness and
> you own moral structure that weights your consciousness. I don't think I
> can tell you not to cherish those things you collect, but isn't it bigger
> than that? Doesn't it come down to the ideal that we believe the things
> in his lyrics. No tangents, he is only a man who got lucky enought to say
> those things which we alreadybelieved.
>
> Dyslexic Bob
> "Stream of a drunken consciousness"
> 3dvideo@magi.com
>
>
------------------------------
From: Peter Caira
cc: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:49:57 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Gina Greer wrote:
> luckily for us other drunken losers they don't take our keyboard away
> from us when we are intoxicated!
>
> rob--if you have a problem with what we discuss, why the Fu@3k don't YOU
> get off the information "stuper-highway"??
> > I'm here, 60 onces of Rickered Red metabolized and concogated by my
Normally, I'd just leave this kind of post alone...these people really
aren't worth discussing, but I just wanted to point out...
At least they guy drinks good beer! :) mmmm...rickard's red...:)
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - Tori
------------------------------
From: "'j'--'Swank'-on-ISCA"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:17:53 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
Is there a "Kevin", at some dallas address, still here on the list?
I've lost your complete email address and would like to send you some
stuff....
Thanks
JaY
pkastner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
------------------------------
From: peter
To: the the list
Subject: unfortunately unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:40:47 +0200
Message-Id: <199506200943.EAA07199@cs.uchicago.edu>
hello all,
unfortunately i have to unsubscribe this list because my account here will
expire. just when some letters started pouring in.
anyway, everyone have a great summer and hopefully see you soon.
peter notari from hungary
ps: special thanks to Behfar for creating this list. thanks man.
bye
------------------------------
From: nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Just a common error
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 16:33:24 cst
Message-Id: <9505208036.AA803692755@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us>
friends don't let friends e-mail drunk...
ooops, I guess from that message
it's self-evident why he has no friends...
ps my loser life style, 3 jobs, loving boyfriend, volunteer literacy
work, and CD collection make me feel like a dork. I'd give it all up
for a drink, but it just seems to be an addiction...
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: long letters and responses
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:10:30 -0400
Message-Id: <950620191028_74818097@aol.com>
yawn.
why censor yourself, kids? if a guy is a fucking moron, say he is a fucking
moron.
no use in defending your lives, or answering criticism, if the critcism comes
from a FUCKING MORON.
move on now please.
------------------------------
From: Chris Baker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Pointless banter
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:29:08 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID:
In subscribing to this list, I had this vain hope that there might be
some people out there who are actually interested in talking about The
the, the music, the lyrics etc., but obviously I was wrong. It has been a
very painful experience ploughing through all the pointless banter that
has been passed onto me. Does noone have anything interesing to say?
If someone decides to call you all a group of fucking losers why do you
feel the need to reply? Surely this simply confirms the accusation?
I like The the, but also Bowie, Lou Reed, Tom Waits and various others.
If anyone has anything interesting to say, then please contact me (I have
so far only met one other person who likes The the, and most of my
friends actively dislike the music). For me Burning Blue Soul is by far
the greatest achievement for MJ with its dense composition and strong
meshing of lyrics and music. Everything else is weaker by comparison
particularly on the music side although I can see an argument for
suggesting that lyrically Dusk is far superior to any other album.
Does anyone have any idea who the subject of MJ's next tribute album is
likely to be? And can anyone tell me anything more about Gun Sluts? (All
I know is the title.
Chris Baker.
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pointless banter
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 03:38:03 -0700
Message-Id: <199507041038.DAA01657@gn2.getnet.com>
>It came to me that the next tribute album will be with Lennon covers.
>Nothing yet on Gun Sluts. I heard that Marr will assist on guitar, but it
>seems unlikely considering the duration of the present band.
>You're right about BBS though I like Dusk better, indeed his lyrics are
>very special.
>we'll talk about that and ather stuff some other time, I have to work
>now (wed21/06/95/13:50).
>jan
Actually from what I've heard the next tribute album is supposed
to be Robert Johnson covers, then a Beatles cover album.
I can't possibly wait for that one - my favorite artist covering
one of my other favorite bands.....Yes! Yes! Yes!
Ok, I'll stop drooling all over the keyboard now.
------------------------------
From: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
To: Chris Baker
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pointless banter
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:48:31 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
It came to me that the next tribute album will be with Lennon covers.
Nothing yet on Gun Sluts. I heard that Marr will assist on guitar, but it
seems unlikely considering the duration of the present band.
You're right about BBS though I like Dusk better, indeed his lyrics are
very special.
we'll talk about that and ather stuff some other time, I have to work
now (wed21/06/95/13:50).
jan
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jan Wirken using the NLnet Internet Services
E-mail: jwirken@inter.NL.net or J.Q.N.P..Wirken@inter.NL.net
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Chris Baker wrote:
>
> In subscribing to this list, I had this vain hope that there might be
> some people out there who are actually interested in talking about The
> the, the music, the lyrics etc., but obviously I was wrong. It has been a
> very painful experience ploughing through all the pointless banter that
> has been passed onto me. Does noone have anything interesing to say?
>
> If someone decides to call you all a group of fucking losers why do you
> feel the need to reply? Surely this simply confirms the accusation?
>
> I like The the, but also Bowie, Lou Reed, Tom Waits and various others.
> If anyone has anything interesting to say, then please contact me (I have
> so far only met one other person who likes The the, and most of my
> friends actively dislike the music). For me Burning Blue Soul is by far
> the greatest achievement for MJ with its dense composition and strong
> meshing of lyrics and music. Everything else is weaker by comparison
> particularly on the music side although I can see an argument for
> suggesting that lyrically Dusk is far superior to any other album.
>
> Does anyone have any idea who the subject of MJ's next tribute album is
> likely to be? And can anyone tell me anything more about Gun Sluts? (All
> I know is the title.
>
> Chris Baker.
>
>
------------------------------
From: marc virata
To: infected@CS.UChicago.EDU
Subject: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
"What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
(While we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
And while the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open!
What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
tokens?"
Maraluna and I were kicking around interpretations of these lines from
_The Violence of Truth_ a few months ago. I've only heard a few
interpretations, am I the only one who finds these lyrics at least
"disturbing"? IS there a concensus on this list as to what Matt's
saying?
It's tough knowing that two of my favorite singers have problems. Matt's a
racist, white supremacist thug. And I just learned that Bono has "no
talent" and belongs in a band that "SUCKS". I hope to be further
enlightened on this mailing list.
=------------------------|\/|-----\ /-----------------------------=
| youtwo@nevada.edu | |arc P \/irata newson@cs.unlv.edu |
| (e-mail for a list of U2 related resources on the Net) |
| UNLV/CEG | I'm Not A P.E., But I Play One On TV. | CLV/DPW |
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------------------------
From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: youtwo@nevada.edu (marc virata)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:33:51 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507050933.KAA21203@uxa.liv.ac.uk>
In the last mail marc virata said:
>
>
>
> "What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
> (While we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
> And while the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open!
> What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
> tokens?"
>
> Maraluna and I were kicking around interpretations of these lines from
> _The Violence of Truth_ a few months ago. I've only heard a few
> interpretations, am I the only one who finds these lyrics at least
> "disturbing"? IS there a concensus on this list as to what Matt's
> saying?
>
> It's tough knowing that two of my favorite singers have problems. Matt's a
> racist, white supremacist thug. And I just learned that Bono has "no
> talent" and belongs in a band that "SUCKS". I hope to be further
> enlightened on this mailing list.
>
>
> =------------------------|\/|-----\ /-----------------------------=
> | youtwo@nevada.edu | |arc P \/irata newson@cs.unlv.edu |
> | (e-mail for a list of U2 related resources on the Net) |
> | UNLV/CEG | I'm Not A P.E., But I Play One On TV. | CLV/DPW |
> =------------------------------------------------------------------=
>
Well reading your response, you are blind and prejudiced as those that you
criticise, the title alone, The Violence of Truth, explains just what Matt
is saying, this is reality, and it is not always pleasant, its all very
well, sitting in our comfy chairs, watching children on TV starving, and
'feeling' for them, the song brings a few truths close to home, the subject and
wording is not comfortable but then that is Matt, it never struck me just how
powerful the song was until I saw him perform it, after that u understand the
message.
>
------------------------------
From: marc virata
To: "Mr R. Forster"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 06:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
Thanks for a response Mr Forster. Although, in my own view, a somewhat
ambigous response at that. The title says a lot, but I'm still stuck on
these lines. David's response posted earlier is contrary to how myself
sees/saw it and was close along the lines of Maraluna's (are you still on
this list?). I remember someone else on this list when this question was
first posed having an interpretation similar to mine. All four of these
were still different. It seems that there's a central concern, is Matt
in these lines commenting on the wrongs of "white society", causing him
to feel ashamed of himself or is he commenting on society that is
obligating him to feel ashamed of him being white and having to unfairly
pay the price for being "white" (something like affirmative action here
in America)? Closing "our" (white people?) ears to machine gun fire --
is this Matt speaking of all the social ills created by white society
throughout history through their use of machine guns/weapons? Or is Matt
saying that in the process of him having to feel sorry for being white,
non-whites are using guns to terroize and brutalize whites? (something
like America's gang problem, were black youth are seen as gang members.)
I unfortunately missed out on seeing Matt perform in Vegas, something
about Gahan of Depeche Mode getting himself drunk in LA the night before
was the rumor over a year ago when Depeche Mode was on tour with them.
When DM rescheduled the concert, The The wasn't opening for them -- I
didn't go. If this is what it would take for me to be enlightened by
the song, then it's not my fault. :)
My white supremacist thug label which I believe led you to label me as
blind and prejudiced was a joke, didn't feel like I needed the smiley to
express that. It was meant as a comeback to a prejudical statement made
against another group I like made earlier by someone else. The way I see
it, the only way to arrive at a "fair" conclusion about someone's views
or attitudes, especially a person of fame who you don't know first hand
is to examine the person's work. Me posting these lyrics and a response
from people on the list I hope will give me a better understanding.
It would be wrong for me to have the mindset of Matt as a white
supremacist thug, just as much as it is to slag on another artist for
reasons simply put as the artist has "no talent" and belongs in a band
that SUCKS. Both of these show a closed mind. I'm keeping an open
mind and listening without prejudice, in hopes of finding out just
what the heck Matt is saying. Others are more complacent with a
third grade mindset and just labelling everything they don't know or care
to know -- Band A SUCKS, Band B sold-out, Band C are racist thugs.
Though, the label of a white supremacist I feel isn't a blind judgment if
someone interpreted these lyrics as being that, at least a reason for a
conclusion can be drawn (at least in someone's mind's eye). Blindly
posting how someone feels a band sucks, at least with out any
justification is what's scary and prejudiced.
I hope you get the idea. The way I see it, if you took a popular vote
outside of those who know The The on the lyrics I posted, I'm sure some
would view those words as words said by a white supremacist. I'd go
further in explaining my interpretation, but I'd like to hear others
analyze these lines before I make a long posting even longer. In any
event, I hope this posting better explains my concerns as to what I'm
trying to figure out. Mr Forster, since I have yet to see Matt live and
don't know when, if you further explain your thoughts in regards to race
and race relations with these lyrics, I'd appreciate being enlightened.
On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Mr R. Forster wrote:
> In the last mail marc virata said:
> >
> >
> >
> > "What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
> > (While we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
> > And while the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open!
> > What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
> > tokens?"
> >
> > Maraluna and I were kicking around interpretations of these lines from
> > _The Violence of Truth_ a few months ago. I've only heard a few
> > interpretations, am I the only one who finds these lyrics at least
> > "disturbing"? IS there a concensus on this list as to what Matt's
> > saying?
> >
> > It's tough knowing that two of my favorite singers have problems. Matt's a
> > racist, white supremacist thug. And I just learned that Bono has "no
> > talent" and belongs in a band that "SUCKS". I hope to be further
> > enlightened on this mailing list.
> >
> >
> Well reading your response, you are blind and prejudiced as those that you
> criticise, the title alone, The Violence of Truth, explains just what Matt
> is saying, this is reality, and it is not always pleasant, its all very
> well, sitting in our comfy chairs, watching children on TV starving, and
> 'feeling' for them, the song brings a few truths close to home, the subject and
> wording is not comfortable but then that is Matt, it never struck me just how
> powerful the song was until I saw him perform it, after that u understand the
> message.
>
>
> >
>
>
=------------------------|\/|-----\ /-----------------------------=
| youtwo@nevada.edu | |arc P \/irata newson@cs.unlv.edu |
| (e-mail for a list of U2 related resources on the Net) |
| UNLV/CEG | I'm Not A P.E., But I Play One On TV. | CLV/DPW |
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 02:29:18 -0700
Message-Id: <199507070929.CAA20432@gn2.getnet.com>
>>>"What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
>>>(While we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
>>>And while the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open!
>>>What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
>>>tokens?"
>>>
>>>Maraluna and I were kicking around interpretations of these lines from
>>>_The Violence of Truth_ a few months ago. I've only heard a few
>>>interpretations, am I the only one who finds these lyrics at least
>>>"disturbing"? IS there a concensus on this list as to what Matt's
>>>saying?
I think that the point is that you are supposed to find them disturbing.
I think that's why Matt uses the term "nigger" - to shock you and make
you think.
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 04:22:16 -0700
Message-Id: <199507071122.EAA27480@gn2.getnet.com>
>
>I hope you get the idea. The way I see it, if you took a popular vote
>outside of those who know The The on the lyrics I posted, I'm sure some
>would view those words as words said by a white supremacist. I'd go
>further in explaining my interpretation, but I'd like to hear others
>analyze these lines before I make a long posting even longer. In any
>event, I hope this posting better explains my concerns as to what I'm
>trying to figure out. Mr Forster, since I have yet to see Matt live and
>don't know when, if you further explain your thoughts in regards to race
>and race relations with these lyrics, I'd appreciate being enlightened.
Marc, I hate to be mean, but would you get over these lines already?
I can't believe you would possibly even consider that someone as
thoughtful and intelligent as Matt would be rascist. It's not that
I'm a fawning fan that idealizes him, but I can see that he has a
rich sense of irony and sarcasm. You have to look at the song
as a whole and not obsess on a few lines or the "n" word. That
word is deliberately placed to shock us out of our complacency.
He is satirizing our "white guilt" and our patronizing and
completely ineffectual attempts to help out. People "throw coins
at them" not in an effort to truly help, but in an effort to make the disturbing
images of starving children go away so they no longer have to
feel guilty, in much the same way we hurl money at homeless people
and rush away down the street vainly trying to forget their faces "starving
with their mouths wide open." Thus "we close our ears to the sound
of machine gun fire" because we don't want to hear it and truly realize
what is going on in the world - we just want to stick our heads in the sand
of our safe, cushy suburban homes and forget about it.
Marc - something's telling you, to wake up and salute,
the dangers of obedience and violence of Truth (that's Truth with
a capital T!)
Now, how bout we discuss the rest of the song - a great
one I might add as Matt discusses the absolutes that man
enslaves himself with - Truth, Good, Evil. These are
the concepts that, from the time of Plato, man has held
up to be unshakable, holy things that we should all
serve, and have held tyranny over us ever since -
"that's how the forces of darkness have supressed
the spirit of man...that's why human beings still walk on all
fours"
(Yes folks, not only am I a liberal, I'm that most
dreaded of all creatures, a relativist!)
Pandora aka Maraluna
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: Pandora
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:10:23 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
>
> Marc - something's telling you, to wake up and salute,
> the dangers of obedience and violence of Truth (that's Truth with
> a capital T!)
>
> Now, how bout we discuss the rest of the song - a great
> one I might add as Matt discusses the absolutes that man
> enslaves himself with - Truth, Good, Evil. These are
> the concepts that, from the time of Plato, man has held
> up to be unshakable, holy things that we should all
> serve, and have held tyranny over us ever since -
> "that's how the forces of darkness have supressed
> the spirit of man...that's why human beings still walk on all
> fours"
>
> (Yes folks, not only am I a liberal, I'm that most
> dreaded of all creatures, a relativist!)
>
> Pandora aka Maraluna
>
>
Thanks for opening your box ;-)
Now here's something I can really sink my teeth into because, being
surrounded by Platonites, I really doubt the existence of Truth with a
capital "T". And I don't doubt that those who claim shamen-like
knowledge of Truth (in a revealed truth manner), are purveyors, whether
intentionally or not, of a power structure that systematically denies
what is most human, what are the finest and basest aspects of our spirit,
in order to propogate itself.
But I have to question relativism, especially the type that denies any
shared form of reality. There is, most definitally, social constructions
of reality, which we share with those who we identify with, however,
relativism in its more severe forms, denies a shared human spirit. All
is relative to the situation, and/or culture. This, to me, is problematic.
So what is the "spirit of man"? Is it something that a relativist can
agree exists? Can the poet speak with the scientist and vice versa to
find truth (small "t") that we agree upon? Then, will we be able to move
from walking about on all fours of a youth of mankind to walking on two
feet in maturity as in the Sphinx's riddle? (Sorry about not dealing
with the rest of the lyrics-- but my cd player is on the fritz, and there
are no liner notes for SM.)
Patrick Stewart
(yes, I too am a liberal, but one who sees tyranny in the welfare state,
and the social Darwinism that spawned it.)
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From: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
To: Patrick Stewart
Cc: Pandora , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:36:30 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
This might go too far for this page. I wonder why people want there to be a
truth. Suppose there is no truth, would it change our simplicity? I think
not. Truth in the sense of a mutual understanding only lives in our
mind. Maybe we don't even exist and everything is an imagination.
But to make life easier we suggest that there is a truth. Taken that, and
being confronted with it while being awake, gives us problems. That is
why some people, including me, sometimes want to flee.
But if you try to consciously experience bad feelings as well as good
feeling which we get from the truth, it makes you very rich and you'll
get to know yourself much better. At least that is my experience. But it
is very difficult. The bad feelings is what Matt calls violence, I think. I
disagree. I think it is a very usefull phenomenon which we should use
more often.
All right folks, this is our meal for this weekend.
goodbye now,
Jan.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'll never get out of this world alive", Hank Williams
E-mail: jwirken@inter.NL.net
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Patrick Stewart
To: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
Cc: Pandora , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 15:03:38 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
In response to Jan, and to interested others on the list (if ya'll exist :'/
The concept of "truth" is a difficult one for me to discuss, because it
has so many different meanings, to so many different people. In a sense,
it is relativistic. To some people (mainly, in my experience, those who
reside in institutions of power in our society- i.e. religious,
political, economic, etc.), it is a means of coercion over their fellow
humans. To others, it is an opiate, a steady rock made of illusions. To
me, it has held different meanings in different periods of my life. To
me, now, it means a reason. A reason to live, a reason to give of
myself. When I was younger (not as if I am incredibly old now) I held a
nihilistic view of life, that I was evil if anything, and any good I
attempted to do would come to naught. I was attracted to the The for
precisely these aspects, for the music and the lyrics seemed to reflect my
feelings, my pain-- the violence of truth, if you will.
As I have gotten more experience, and maybe a bit more inured to the pain,
I have come to the realization that the depths of my pain heightened my
joy, and that all aspects wove a rich tapestry of experience. And as a
result, I want to live more, experience more, and perhaps, find a reason
for it all. Maybe it is like a dog chasing after its tail, being an
unending quest, but for me, the voyage in search of a reason, truth if
you will, is one nested in a voyage of self discovery and seems to be one
worth taking. And on that trip, the The seems to be my soundtrack, and
from the posts of the others, theirs as well.
So do we all share a truth, one of emotions based on self-discovery and
pain? One that is deciphered by MJ's music? Or am I spinning madly out of
control?
So Jan, thanks for the meal. I'll digest it over the weekend, and am
looking forward to any responses (flames if ya got 'em!). I am enjoying
this discussion arc!
Patrick Stewart
(I've got hair, but no accent)
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From: Genepool@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 12:50:29 -0400
Message-Id: <950705124935_108272557@aol.com>
I believe these lyrics are written about the inability of most people to do
anything truly meaningful when it comes to charity. People want to just throw
money at problems and then hope to see change. The white guilt thing is
obvious. The use of the "N" word is, in my opinion, of questionable taste
though. I don't think it adds to the message. I definitely don't think that
Matt Johnson is a racist. Lyrics on every album talk about achieving peace
and quaility of life for all of humanity. I find his lyrics to be sincere.
Steve
**See genepool live at Brownie's. July 6th @ 9:30PM. Brownies is located at
169 Ave A. NYC. 212-420-8392**************
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From: Higsby@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 04:10:53 -0400
Message-Id: <950708041050_27845961@aol.com>
Pandora said:
>Now there's a contest folks - how about we all talk
>about our favorite the The lyrics? It might
>open things up to a little more in depth discussion.
My favorite The The lyric, by far, is: "I'm just another western guy, with
desires that I can't satisfy."
I guess this has a lot to do with my recent post re. 'True Happiness...'
from a day or two ago. Our culture has set us up to expect money, sex,
etc. to be the end-all beat-all of our existence. Even though I know better
than that, I ca't stop myself! When It comes right down to it, our innermost
desires are a subconcious construct of what society has taught us and we
cannot conciously change that.
I also like, "You're the strangest feeling, I've ever had."
------------------------------
From: fadi@computek.net (Fadi Sikhtian)
To: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 95 13:44 CDT
Message-Id:
>>"What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
>>(While we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
>>And while the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open!
>>What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
>>tokens?"
>>
>>Maraluna and I were kicking around interpretations of these lines from
>>_The Violence of Truth_ a few months ago. I've only heard a few
>>interpretations, am I the only one who finds these lyrics at least
>>"disturbing"? IS there a concensus on this list as to what Matt's
>>saying?
>
Some of you might remember a John Lennon song titled "woman is the nigger
of the world." The term "nigger" is used to denote the less privileged,
prejudiced against, oppressed, etc. It is not meant to be taken literally.
In the same way, I believe that when Matt Johnson uses the term "nigger,"
he is using it in the same context. He is not picking at Blacks especially,
just people with misfortunes in general. Then he refers to the futility of
helping them.
That's my interpretation of that section of the song, for what it's worth.
****************************************************************************
Fadi A. Sikhtian
8515 Park Lane #406-I
Dallas, TX 75231
Tel:(214) 696-8361
http://www.computek.net/public/fadi/fadhome.html (it's still kind of new!)
e-mail: fadi@computek.net
73171.714@compuserve.com
****************************************************************************
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From: Peter Caira
To: Fadi Sikhtian
cc: Dave Jellinek , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Fadi Sikhtian wrote:
> Some of you might remember a John Lennon song titled "woman is the nigger
> of the world." The term "nigger" is used to denote the less privileged,
> prejudiced against, oppressed, etc. It is not meant to be taken literally.
> In the same way, I believe that when Matt Johnson uses the term "nigger,"
> he is using it in the same context. He is not picking at Blacks especially,
> just people with misfortunes in general. Then he refers to the futility of
> helping them.
I think that this is probably right...if you didn't know how the word
nigger was used in most parts of the world, and you listened to the song
and tried to find out what it meant from context, you'd probably come up
with that meaning...not the derogatory (and false, btw) meaning...
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - M.E. Amos
------------------------------
From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: marc virata
Cc: infected@CS.UChicago.EDU
Subject: Re: So what the heck is Matt saying?
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 95 15:52:08 EDT
Message-Id:
>"What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
>(While we close our ears to the sound of machine gun fire)
>And while the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open!
>What is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
>tokens?"
>
>Maraluna and I were kicking around interpretations of these lines from
>_The Violence of Truth_ a few months ago. I've only heard a few
>interpretations, am I the only one who finds these lyrics at least
>"disturbing"? IS there a concensus on this list as to what Matt's
>saying?
No, I don't think he's a white supremacist thug.
Basically, I think he is talking about why "our" efforts to help people,
which may look genuine to "us", are often looked at as useless and "token"
by critics and the people "we" are trying to help.
If memory serves...thats why human beings still walk on all fours--we can't
communicate and determine what we really need to do, to help, to be
prodcutive, and that truth that we refuse to hear is dangerous, its machine
gun fire, its the violence of truth.
Make sense?
Sorry for wandering...
Dave
------------------------------
From: Michael Meijnhard van Schoor
To: Chris Baker
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pointless banter
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:27:30 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-ID:
Excerpts from mail: 21-Jun-95 Pointless banter Chris Baker@hermes.cam.a (1253*)
> In subscribing to this list, I had this vain hope that there might be
> some people out there who are actually interested in talking about The
> the, the music, the lyrics etc., but obviously I was wrong. It has been a
> very painful experience ploughing through all the pointless banter that
> has been passed onto me. Does noone have anything interesing to say?
> ..rest deleted...
I totally agree. I have been on this list for maybe 5 months and although I'am
not disturbed by it I think most of the messages are not interesting,
especially
those which don't have the The as subject!
I have been listening to the The music for five years and it was a sonic
representation
of how I felt and what I was thinking about. Take Burning blue soul,
soul mining,
infected, there are no songs on this albums about trees, blue skies,
flowers and
happy, happy, happiness... According to MJ it were only dark sleepless
solitary
nights of lust, ignorance and depression.
People who don't notice this are in my opinion just listening to a nice tune.
I must admit that I rarely listen to the The these days. MJ once said in
an interview
that things get easier when you get older and I must admit that is true.
I don't need
to listen to the The anymore.
Mike
------------------------------
From: Gina Greer
To: Michael Meijnhard van Schoor
Cc: Chris Baker , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pointless banter
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
> I must admit that I rarely listen to the The these days. MJ once said in
> an interview
> that things get easier when you get older and I must admit that is true.
> I don't need
> to listen to the The anymore.
>
then this explains why I enjoy matt's newer work. the older stuff i don't
listen to as frequently as to me, it reminds me of the confusion and
depression stuff i experienced in my younger years.
as theThe matures, so does the music. i can follow it at every level
which is why i'm an addict with their music. can't say i wouldn't listen
to them anymore but i sure enjoy the more recent work more frequently.
i'm not sure "that things get easier when you get older", i think they
are just easier to understand! those "feelings that could never be
fulfilled", that's the hardest part for me!
------------------------------
From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: Chris Baker
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pointless banter
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 15:00:37 EDT
Message-Id:
>Does anyone have any idea who the subject of MJ's next tribute album is
>likely to be? And can anyone tell me anything more about Gun Sluts? (All
>I know is the title.
>
>Chris Baker.
Must disagree...Soul Mining is the best, musically and lyrically.
Someone posted a while back both a quick descrip of GS--guitars and
musicality, if memory serves and an interview about the next
tribute--Robert Johnson, I think.
Please, someone correct me if I am wrong on this stuff...
Dave
------------------------------
From: LEON
To: INFECTED
Subject: The The items for sale
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 13:35 GMT
Message-Id: <199506231234.HAA20073@cs.uchicago.edu>
Hello.
I'm selling a number of items by The The, which are listed below. If anyone is
interested in any of them please contact me at the address at the end of the
message.
Thanks for your time.
Leon.
> All prices in pounds sterling. All UK releases unless stated otherwise.
> Postage is dependant on the size and destination of the order.
> All items are in excellent condition unless stated otherwise.
>
> The The
>
> 12" Sweet Bird of Truth (original issue) 8.00
> 7" Heartland (Sleeve slightly creased) 2.50
> 7" Infected (Paper p/s) 3.00
> 7" Slow Train to Dawn (Paper p/s) 2.00
> 12" Slow Train to Dawn 3.00
> 7" Slow Train to Dawn (Radio Edit promo. Card p/s) 5.00
> 7" Sweet Bird of Truth (Card p/s) 2.00
> 12" Sweet Bird of Truth 3.00
> 7" Sweet Bird of Truth (Single-sided promo no p/s) 6.00
> 7" The Beat(en) Generation (1st issue. Card p/s) 2.00
> 7" The Beat(en) Generation (2nd issue. Card p/s) 1.50
> 12" The Beat(en) Generation 3.00
> 12" The Beat(en) Generation (Limited edition EMUQ8) 5.00
> CD The Beat(en) Generation (Picture CD single) 4.00
> 12" Gravitate to Me 2.50
> CS Gravitate to Me (Cassette single) 2.00
> CD Gravitate to Me (CD single) 4.00
> 12" Gravitate to Me (Promo no p/s) 6.00
> 7" Armegeddon Days (Card p/s) 1.50
> CD Armegeddon Days (Picture CD single) 5.00
> 12" Armegeddon Days (White label promo. No p/s) 6.00
> CD Armegeddon Days (Promo CD single) 8.00
> CD Shades of Blue EP (CD single) 4.00
> LP Mind Bomb (White label promo. No p/s) 7.00
>
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
= Leon Smith =
= Learning Resources Centre '...the devil may care, =
= University of Glamorgan. but I don't mind...' =
= lssmith@glam.ac.uk =
= http://193.63.131.100/cybernoise/ =
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From: ROMIG@emuvax.emich.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: some summer fun
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <950626181340.202017bb@emuvax.emich.edu>
I work at a newspaper, and we got advance press publicity stuff about Judge
Dredd, and I ripped it open to see who was doing the soundtrack, and our
very own Matt Johnson was right there in print. Not to diss anyone who
previously announced it because I believed you, but it is ultracool to see it
actually. Wow! The rest of the soundtrack looks good too, can't recall who's
on it exactly because I left the paper behind, but it looks worth buying for
more than just the The (blasphemy!)
Margaret Romig
------------------------------
From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: ROMIG@emuvax.emich.edu
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: some summer fun
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 19:03:46 EDT
Message-Id:
>I work at a newspaper, and we got advance press publicity stuff about Judge
>Dredd, and I ripped it open to see who was doing the soundtrack, and our
>very own Matt Johnson was right there in print. Not to diss anyone who
>previously announced it because I believed you, but it is ultracool to see it
>actually. Wow! The rest of the soundtrack looks good too, can't recall who's
>on it exactly because I left the paper behind, but it looks worth buying for
>more than just the The (blasphemy!)
>
>Margaret Romig
Yeah, actually, its due out tomorrow...
There is also a new Cure track on the disc, as well as some stuff from the
movie itself...
BTW: I just got in my Dawn to Dusk LaserDisc...how quickly should I try to
get a hold of a player?
Dave
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: judge dredd & dusk to dawn
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:34:00 -0400
Message-Id: <950626213353_78907202@aol.com>
ran around like a monkey today trying to find a promo, god forbid i wait 24
hours to get the real thing. sigh, no luck....
regarding dusk to dawn--good, but not enough music and overall too short.
matt and fat johnny on public access is great, and there is a truly bizarre
and amazing scene with an old man crying. the whole thing is basically
people on the street and various other oddballs answering the question "what
is wrong with the world today." then there is a video or two, including dogs
of lust with the naked girl running around matts apartment, uncensored of
course, then some public access appearances. pretty crazy. about 45 minutes
total. the only problem with the laser disc is the damn japanese subtitles
all over the place. oh well, until epic gets their ass in gear, that's all
there is....
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: judge dredd & dusk to dawn
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 03:43:17 -0700
Message-Id: <199507041043.DAA01920@gn2.getnet.com>
>total. the only problem with the laser disc is the damn japanese subtitles
>all over the place. oh well, until epic gets their ass in gear, that's all
>there is....
What is it with the The and Japan anyway? I have three Japanese
import CD's and I'm really wondering.....is he popular over there
or what? I've asked this question before and no one seemed
to have the answer.
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: darkness falls
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:15:27 -0400
Message-Id: <950627141520_79379099@aol.com>
downright creepy if you ask me. great fucking song, the lyrics are puzzling,
the sound is nasty, after the odd acoustic intro. love it. makes me crave
more, like if there was another track after it, that wasn't by white zombie.
sigh, maybe someday...
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From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 03:51:52 -0701
Message-Id: <199507041052.DAA02489@gn2.getnet.com>
>No, not disapointed, really. Just not thrilled with it, and wanting
>another disk for the same cost, so I returned the Dredd soundtrack.
I'd like to know how you did this, since most places will not let
you return opened CD's, they will only give you another copy
of the same one.
>General question to the audience (and write back to me this time Gina!):
>Whats the best album, lyrically and/or musically, and why (and please, take
>into account HP)?
I can't see how you could take HP into account lyrically since he didn't write
the lyrics...to me it's a totally different experience and belongs in a
different
class, to which I will someday add the other tribute albums. While I bought
the CD and I like it, I know I'll never listen to it as much as the other
albums.
As for them, I'd have to say that SM, MB and Infected tie for first place
(sorry,
it's impossible to choose between them) and BBS and Dusk come
in at 2 and 3 respectively. I know many of you disagree, but while
I enjoy Dusk a lot I still think it's the weakest of the five main albums.
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 03:37:50 -0701
Message-Id: <199507071038.DAA24476@gn2.getnet.com>
>>As for them, I'd have to say that SM, MB and Infected tie for first place
>>(sorry,
>>it's impossible to choose between them) and BBS and Dusk come
>>in at 2 and 3 respectively. I know many of you disagree, but while
>>I enjoy Dusk a lot I still think it's the weakest of the five main albums.
>
>I would agree with most people that responded, that generally it shifts
>with mood for me, but I certainly like Dusk as much as the others.
>BTW, what are your fav. songs on each?
It's ok, but haven't we treaded this road before? the drunk angry
guy was abusive and unfair but not totally off - there
have been a lot of posts lately which is good but not that
much substance. I long for some serious discussion of lyrics
and how the music makes us feel. Is everyone a little shy or what?
Anyways, if you held a gun to my head I guess I'd have to
say Soul Mining is my favorite album. There's just something
about it and whatever it is it's purely emotional, not a case
of the music necessarily being better - Infected, Mind Bomb
and for that matter Dusk are more developed musically.
There is a youthful intensity and passion in the clamoring
voice and music, a naked baring of the soul, a
cry in the darkness - "soul mining," indeed. And all
accomplished with a synthesizer, to boot. More
than a decade later, the songs still ring true despite the
dated 80's sound (which I must admit I'm still a sucker for.)
"I'm just a symptom of the moral decay that's gnawing at
the heart of this country" from "That Sinking Feeling"
is still my favorite the The line.
Now there's a contest folks - how about we all talk
about our favorite the The lyrics? It might
open things up to a little more in depth discussion.
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 06:49:28 -0700
Message-Id: <199507091349.GAA01112@gn2.getnet.com>
Higsby said:
>My favorite The The lyric, by far, is: "I'm just another western guy, with
>desires that I can't satisfy."
Yes - Matt himself like that lyric so much he put it in two songs on
Infected (slightly changed of course.)
>I guess this has a lot to do with my recent post re. 'True Happiness...'
> from a day or two ago. Our culture has set us up to expect money, sex,
>etc. to be the end-all beat-all of our existence. Even though I know better
>than that, I ca't stop myself! When It comes right down to it, our innermost
>desires are a subconcious construct of what society has taught us and we
>cannot conciously change that.
Hmmm....some desires are that way, but others are not - I think our
desire for sex, food, love, shelter are unrelated to society - although
society certainly shapes our need for certain KINDS of sex, food,
and shelter....and also, I think that the "desires he can't satisfy"
are not those sort of corporeal ones since those can usually be satisfied.
More towards the endless striving and frustration which as we mentioned
before is what makes us so uniquely human....
>I also like, "You're the strangest feeling, I've ever had."
I second that emotion.....definitely my fav song from Dusk....
more of that longing....
"As I sat in the back, of that old taxicab
waiting for the evening.....to...come (I love the way he drawls the last
tw
o words out)
On every street....of this city...
I hear you call my name....
(and then the music swells to chorus...)
you're the strangest feeling
I've ever had......"
a lost, lonely, & lustful love song, indeed.
------------------------------
From: Ray Finlay
Sender: mrvf100@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.R.V. Finlay)
To: Pandora
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: favourite lyrics
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 17:47:31 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID:
Well it used to be from true happiness this way lies.
"I aint never found peace upon the breast of a girl
I aint never found piece with the religion of the world
I aint never found piece at the bottom of a glass"
but when I saw Matt in concert he said
" The first line is not true I just like the way it sounds. The second
line is definitely true and the third. Well its not true as long as it
is a long cool glass of vodka." I was a bit dissapointed. I prefer not to
know his exact interpretation. Other wise it is probably form Armageddon
days are here again.
"But the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass will cast the
darkest shadow upon the human heart
But god didnt build himself that throne
God doesnt live in Israel or rome
God doesnt belong to the Yanky Dollar
God doesnt plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reep what its sown"
I love that verse. To me it sums up how religion can be used as an excuse
to kill "in the name of god".
Ray
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From: Ray Finlay
Sender: mrvf100@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.R.V. Finlay)
To: Pandora , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: samples
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 17:58:34 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID:
Does anybody know where the samples on mindbomb come from. On armagedon
days ithink one is from the assination of Bobby Kennedy( Stay away from
the gun etc) but what about that other one? "As long as Jesus gives us
everything we want we love him" Any ideas??
Ray
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: samples
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:21:11 -0400
Message-Id: <950709132110_111024122@aol.com>
the one that is about the gun is indeed from RFK assasination, those words
are yelled right after he is shot.
the one about jesus is a sample from the b-side to beaten generation, called
angel. and entire song spoken in that same voice, with a cool piano and
other shit background.
folks, i just found at long last the Save Me cd bootleg, which i know some of
you have. never pass up an opportunity to buy this one, it is better quality
than some official live albums i own (like the new police cds, for example).
------------------------------
From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Rob Ferguson)
To: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: samples
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:57:21 -0400
Message-Id: <9507091757.AA17270@magi.com>
>Does anybody know where the samples on mindbomb come from. On armagedon
>days ithink one is from the assination of Bobby Kennedy( Stay away from
>the gun etc) but what about that other one? "As long as Jesus gives us
>everything we want we love him" Any ideas??
>
> Ray
>
It's Jimmy Swagert (don't know how to spell it, don't care.) In his case, I
believe Jesus gave him a beautiful woman with silicon breast implants (but a
lousy actress.) I played the album for some Lebanese Muslim friends of mine.
On the first track "Good Morning Beautiful..." they listened for a few
seconds and then grabed the tape deck and ejected the tape like a pack of
rabid dogs. Closely inspecting it they queried
"who is this and where did you get it?" I told them it was the The, my
favorite pop artist, but I hesitated in telling them what the particular
song was about!
"The drunk angry guy"
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:36:02 -0400
Message-Id: <950629173559_105016841@aol.com>
ooh, a disapointed fan. poor dave. like me every time i hear lonely planet or
slow emotion replay. guess it's just a taste thing--i like the angry songs.
every thing else on the soundtrack does suck, especially the pathetic new
cure song.
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: Hirschdave@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 15:29:32 EDT
Message-Id:
>downright creepy if you ask me. great fucking song, the lyrics are puzzling,
>the sound is nasty, after the odd acoustic intro. love it. makes me crave
>more, like if there was another track after it, that wasn't by white zombie.
> sigh, maybe someday...
Sorry, I have to disagree.
I was disappointed byt the song. It is an interesting new direction, but
it somehow did not seem as finished as some of his other stuff.
I sold back my Dredd soundtrack and will try to find a promo CD...I want
the song, but the rest of the disk was no good; a good the The song is
worth $13, but a so-so one with no b-sides or other song support is not.
Dave
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: Hirschdave@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 09:42:22 EDT
Message-Id:
>ooh, a disapointed fan. poor dave. like me every time i hear lonely planet or
>slow emotion replay. guess it's just a taste thing--i like the angry songs.
>
>every thing else on the soundtrack does suck, especially the pathetic new
>cure song.
No, not disapointed, really. Just not thrilled with it, and wanting
another disk for the same cost, so I returned the Dredd soundtrack. I will
buy the single, if I can find it as a promo. It just did not hit me the
way some others do.
And I agree, Lonely Planet is realtively weak, but I like slow emotion replay.
I guess it is just a taste thing...
General question to the audience (and write back to me this time Gina!):
Whats the best album, lyrically and/or musically, and why (and please, take
into account HP)?
Dave
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From: Gina Greer
To: Dave Jellinek
Cc: Hirschdave@aol.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:15:01 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
Here ya go DJ!
On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Dave Jellinek wrote:
> General question to the audience (and write back to me this time Gina!):
> Whats the best album, lyrically and/or musically, and why (and please, take
> into account HP)?
>
DUSK: "For the Lost, Lonely, and Lustful"--this album has touched my Soul
when I thought I didn't have one!
The lyrics are sensual. And I don't mean in just a horny kind of way.
Sensuallity comes from inner strength, being sensitive to things around
you, being able to communiate your needs, etc. etc.
The music--well--IT MOVES AND GROOVES! Love it!
FAVE PICK ON DUSK: Bluer than Midnight
Are you taking a survey?
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From: Jon Bauer
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The vs. Hank.
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 15:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
Just picked up a couple of good discs. First, a demo called the The vs.
Hank. It contains 11 songs, from Hanky Panky, with the Matt Johnson
version first, and the Hank Williams, SR. version next. So, track one is
the MJ version of Honky Tonkin', and the 2nd is the original version
which was released, for instance, in April of 1948. Haven't even
listened to it yet, but it looks pretty cool. Paid 15 bucks for it.
Also got a bootleg version of U2's Melon for 15 bucks too. Will let you
know on this one too. SOunded really good in the store. Found a great
little CD store with a TON of boots in Portchester, NY.
- - Jon
jbauer@pepsi.com or jbauer@cloud9.net
url - http://www.cloud9.net/~jbauer
------------------------------
From: Gina Greer
To: Jon Bauer
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The vs. Hank.
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 13:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
> Also got a bootleg version of U2's Melon for 15 bucks too. Will let you
> know on this one too. SOunded really good in the store. Found a great
> little CD store with a TON of boots in Portchester, NY.
>
> - Jon
>
> jbauer@pepsi.com or jbauer@cloud9.net
> url - http://www.cloud9.net/~jbauer
i'm sorry but today i feel the need to express my opinion on the above--
U2 SUCKS! always hated them and i especially would like to vomit
everytime i hear that batman song. bono is a wanna-be, i feel sorry for
his band as they have talent but he DOESN'T.
ok, i feel better now. i felt sick to my stomach having to read about U2
on my fave band's comman area.
happy holidays to the American people and to those who are glad they are
not American.
------------------------------
From: Jon Bauer
To: Gina Greer
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The vs. Hank.
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 01:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
> U2 SUCKS! always hated them and i especially would like to vomit
> everytime i hear that batman song. bono is a wanna-be, i feel sorry for
> his band as they have talent but he DOESN'T.
Well Gina,
I guess I just have a difference of opinion on Bono and U2. But thanx
for your lucid and insightful opinion.
- - Jon
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From: Patrick Stewart
To: Dave Jellinek
Cc: Hirschdave@aol.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: darkness falls
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:08:01 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
> General question to the audience (and write back to me this time Gina!):
> Whats the best album, lyrically and/or musically, and why (and please, take
> into account HP)?
>
> Dave
Audience? Well, I've got my Zippo lit... encore!! encore!! ;^}
Anyhow, what a god awful cruel question to pose. The best album? That's
like asking what songs to put on a best of the The collection (tried it
once, experienced brain fry.) Right now I'm listening to Dusk, so that's
gotta be the best ever album... later, when I listen to Infected, I'll
change my mind. As far as musically, though, Burning Blue Soul was far
ahead of its time, so much so that I would have thought it new when I
bought it this past year. Soul Mining has to have some of the greatest
introspective lyrics ever, while Dusk is required listening after I break
up (ok, get broken up with) with a woman. So, I don't know how to
truthfully answer this question, other than, "talk to me tommorrow, I'll
tell you then."
As to the Judge Dredd soundtrack, yep, except for the The track (which
grew on me like fungus), it is a dud. The songs by the Cure and White
Zombie sound exceptionally generic. So, for those of you who haven't
bought the soundtrack yet, pray for a the The ep with Darkness falls on it.
Well, its Friday night, and for shear partying nihilism, my favorite
track by the The is "The Mercy Beat" off of Infected. Songs like that
make Frank Sinatra look like a Nancy Boy. ;^}
Y'all have a good Fourth Weekend (and for you Canadians- happy Canada day).
Patrick Stewart
still in search of a tag line
------------------------------
From: "'j'--'Swank'-on-ISCA"
To: the The list
Subject: Matt's music
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:50:24 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
Well, how about a new topic besides the "Darkness Falls" song?
I have to admit that I still need to hear it...I too am looking for the
single song promo. Who cares about the rest of the music!
Now, why I sent this in the first place:
Are there any other musicians on this list? The more I fool around with
my keyboard, and the more I look at the "infected" song book, I feel that
Matt has a "talent" key to his success and shared by many other great
artists. He keeps a lot of stuff very simple--while making it sound
tremendous. Whether it is the intro, the outtro, or main body, there are
the most basic patterns that sound great. Try playing around on a piano
or keyboard and you'll see what I mean.
Also, I've always heard about the influence Pink Floyd had/has on Matt.
I was going through the "Dark side of the moon" CD and was sampling
little bits, slowing them down, looping them, reversing, etc......On one song
(I forget which one) it sounded exactly like part of "Scenes from arctic
Twilight"! Maybe THETHEXXX can comment on that one? Anyone else?
To THETHEXXX, and the list as well: If I want to use a sample from a
the The song for one of mine, who should I call/write for permission?
Thanks,
JaY
------------------------------
From: Sarah Yaniv
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Judge Dredd
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 08:25:46 GMT
Message-Id: <199507030825.IAA13697@ccsg.tau.ac.il>
Hi people,
One little question - Did the new 'The The' song officialy come out as a single ?
Thanks.
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From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Solitude EP
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 02:23:58 -0701
Message-Id: <199507040924.CAA25369@gn2.getnet.com>
> I highly recommend Solitude. Two of my favorite songs are
>on there: Another Boy Drowning and Jealousy of Youth. Dolphins is
>also a pretty cool song. Of the re-mixes, I think the remix for
>Helpline Operator is the best. I think it is a worthy buy. Go
>ahead, take the plunge.
>
>Mark
>moynier@tenet.edu
>
You can get these songs on other albums too.... the first three
songs are all on the Shades of Blue EP and the Helpline
Operator remix is on Dis-infected. I have these albums which
is why I didn't buy Solitude.....it's still a good buy though
since I had to pay mucho $ for these CD's as Japanese
imports....worth every penny for me as a rabid the The
enthusiast, but not necessary I guess if you can find
Solitude easier and cheaper.
Sorry if this post is a bit delayed - been away for about three
weeks, but totally delighted at how this mailing list
has picked up!
Jenna
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: soul mining
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 02:28:57 -0701
Message-Id: <199507040929.CAA25991@gn2.getnet.com>
>> About my favourite song or album, it changes. I think now favourite
>> album: Dusk, favourite song: August & September
>> Jan Wirken
>
>Ooooh...August & September! Great song...gotta love the bass clarinet
>and oboe on that one...:)
Yes, and he did it great live when I saw him with DM.....running up and
down the stage yelling "You're mine!" (or is it your mind?)
Anyways, got to love it.
------------------------------
From: Peter Caira
To: Pandora
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: soul mining
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Pandora wrote:
> >Ooooh...August & September! Great song...gotta love the bass clarinet
> >and oboe on that one...:)
>
> Yes, and he did it great live when I saw him with DM.....running up and
> down the stage yelling "You're mine!" (or is it your mind?)
> Anyways, got to love it.
Well, of course it's "you're mine!" ...otherwise you'd miss the whole
meaning of the song!
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - M.E. Amos
------------------------------
From: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
To: Peter Caira
Cc: Pandora , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: soul mining
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:48:34 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'll never get out of this world alive", Hank Williams
E-mail: jwirken@inter.NL.net
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Peter Caira wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Pandora wrote:
> Ooooh...August & September! Great song...gotta love the bass clarinet
> and oboe on that one...:)
> Yes, and he did it great live when I saw him with DM.....running up and
> down the stage yelling "You're mine!" (or is it your mind?)
> Anyways, got to love it.
>
> Well, of course it's "you're mine!" ...otherwise you'd miss the whole
> meaning of the song!
>
> Pete Caira
I like Dusk the most I think. The lyrics are very warm, I don't know how
to express that. But if you take e.g. Love is stronger than death, and
hear:"how can you believe ....... could ever die." .......and there is
more.
I sigh and say goodbye.
------------------------------
From: Peter Caira
To: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
cc: Pandora , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: soul mining
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, J.Q.N.P. Wirken wrote:
[about august and september]
> > Well, of course it's "you're mine!" ...otherwise you'd miss the whole
> > meaning of the song!
> >
> > Pete Caira
>
> I like Dusk the most I think. The lyrics are very warm, I don't know how
> to express that. But if you take e.g. Love is stronger than death, and
> hear:"how can you believe ....... could ever die." .......and there is
> more.
>
> I sigh and say goodbye.
Well, yes, Dusk is very powerful, and very different, but lyrically,
there are songs that are really very much the same as on previous albums.
Take Slow Emotion Replay:
"I'm just a slow emotion replay of somebody I used to be..."
then take songs like Giant:
"How could anyone know me when I don't even know myself?"
or Out of the Blue (into the fire):
"I was trying so hard to be myself I was turning into somebody else"
All of these songs have the same theme...
but the beauty of Dusk is that there are songs that take on a new
feeling...not the same old individuality thing, or the whole fight with
the patriarchy, but a new attitude....
Songs like Lonely Planet and Love is stronger than Death...they are just
a wonderful change...
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - M.E. Amos
------------------------------
From: Ray Finlay
Sender: mrvf100@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.R.V. Finlay)
To: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
cc: Peter Caira , Pandora ,
infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: soul mining
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:13:11 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID:
Favorite Album? Has to be Soul Mining. I have never heard any other album
before which made me sit down and think "Shit, these songs are about me"
Ray
------------------------------
From: Peter Caira
To: Ray Finlay
cc: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken" ,
Pandora , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: soul mining
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Ray Finlay wrote:
> Favorite Album? Has to be Soul Mining. I have never heard any other album
> before which made me sit down and think "Shit, these songs are about me"
Well, as far as the The albums go, yes, but Tori Amos does that for me
even more so...
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - M.E. Amos
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Rob Ferguson's post
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 03:13:28 -0700
Message-Id: <199507041013.DAA29826@gn2.getnet.com>
>I'm here, 60 onces of Rickered Red metabolized and concogated by my
>"healthy" liver. I don't wan't to
>buy any Fu@#ing 12" or 7" or a limited edition the The pins. I do not
>wish to pay homage to the wonderfull artist that is Matt Johnson or the
>"deep" ideals debated in his Art. I want you all to go find lives
>get the Fu@3k off the information "stuper-highway" and go meet a real
>person.
etc, etc....
If you really hate us so much, why are you on this mailing list?
While technically this mailing list is distributed by the Internet, it is just
as private as if someone were doing it over the regular mail -
it only goes to whoever asks to be on it, and if you don't like what's
on it you can get off the list. It's not like we are clogging up a newsgroup
or sending information to people who don't want it.
I also fail to see how we don't have lives any more than anyone else
who uses the Internet or subscribes to any other mailing list. Using
the Internet does not automatically mean lack of life! If we didn't
have lives we'd have nothing to talk about. Also, just because we talk
to each other via a computer does not make the people we talk
to any less real. Through the Internet I have met people I would
otherwise not have ever met.
Personally I'm very glad that this list exists since I know very few
the The fans personally and thus opportunities to discuss
my favorite music are few and far between. That's why I subscribe
to the the The list and not the Nirvana one, even though I listen to both.
Anyway, it's been said before of other detractors such as yourself...
If you don't like the list, then please get the fuck off.
Have a nice day,
Jenna
P.S. Sorry, Rob, if this is your second copy of this post, but I wanted
to make sure you got it in case you had already gotten off the list.
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: U2, etc.
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 04:02:13 -0700
Message-Id: <199507041102.EAA03140@gn2.getnet.com>
Sorry to clog up the list with more non the The stuff, but I just had to
express my opinion on the following:
>i'm sorry but today i feel the need to express my opinion on the above--
>
>U2 SUCKS! always hated them and i especially would like to vomit
>everytime i hear that batman song. bono is a wanna-be, i feel sorry for
>his band as they have talent but he DOESN'T.
Well, I agree that their last three albums or so were puerile tripe, but the
first
five were brilliant rock and roll. Yes Bono is a narcissistic jerk, but
I LOVE the Batman song! I plan on buying the soundtrack just to get it.
The lyrics are kind of shallow but the music is great - I love the contrast
between the pop sound and the crashing string section.
>happy holidays to the American people and to those who are glad they are
>not American.
How about if you wish you weren't American? does that count?
Well, that's enough "mindless banter" for now, I think!
------------------------------
From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Sorry just a little test
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:26:41 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507041426.PAA10785@uxa.liv.ac.uk>
Title says it all
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From: MMOYNIER@middlebury.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Melon
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <950704113928.a169@midd.middlebury.edu>
I apollogize to the rest of the list for this, but I must
know.
Jon,
Is the $15 purchase of Melon an original CD or a copy of it. If
it is an original, I would gladly have you purchase one for me;
you willing of course. One of my friends has an original, and all
I have is a crappy radio recording of it. I think it is quite
cool, mainly because I like dance mixes and U2's newer stuff just
as much as the their oldest stuff. Thanks.
Mark Moynier
moynier@tenet.edu
------------------------------
From: Jon Bauer
To: MMOYNIER@middlebury.edu
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Melon
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:24:09 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
Well, I'm going to reply to this message to the whole group, since I have
gotten 4 or 5 requests for the answer and I might as well answer it this
way. The version that I bought is most definately a boot of Melon. The
original is around 100 bucks, and I am not fanatical enough to pay that
amount for some decent remixes. 15 bucks for a good boot of this disc is
worth it to me.
Please, if you have any comments on Bono or U2, go to one of the U2
lists. I merely mentioned my purchase of this disc along with the "the
The vs. Hank" disc.
No comments from anyone on that the The disc. Has anyone else seen
it/have it?
- - Jon
jbauer@pepsi.com or jbauer@cloud9.net
url - http://www.cloud9.net/~jbauer
On Tue, 4 Jul 1995 MMOYNIER@middlebury.edu wrote:
> Jon,
> Is the $15 purchase of Melon an original CD or a copy of it. If
> it is an original, I would gladly have you purchase one for me;
> you willing of course. One of my friends has an original, and all
> I have is a crappy radio recording of it. I think it is quite
> cool, mainly because I like dance mixes and U2's newer stuff just
> as much as the their oldest stuff. Thanks.
>
> Mark Moynier
> moynier@tenet.edu
>
------------------------------
From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Rob Ferguson)
To: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Pointed Banter(aka. A subject)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:57:10 -0400
Message-Id: <9507041957.AA29959@magi.com>
>To: THETHEXXX@AOL.COM
>From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Rob Ferguson)
>Subject: Pointed Banter(aka. A subject)
>
>I would like to appolgize to all those on this list that I have offended.
My drunken tirade was un called-for and to some extent unjustified. When I
became an internet user and also when I subscribed to AOL, I came with the
vein idealistic hope that I would find discourse on issues that I felt were
important.
>
>Being a "the The" fan since 1981, and identifying with the moral and
ideological POV of Matt Johnson's I felt that fans of the band would have a
"common ground" to discuss ideals on. I had hoped that both the AOL site
and the infected@cs.uchicago.edu list would provide this. Unfortunately,
after reading over four hundred entries on AOL (including Matt's on-line
session and private room chat) I became very disappointed as the main topic
of conversation was the commerce of "the The" paraphernalia and not what "I"
felt was important about his music. I guess this was selfish and again I
apologize. The most enjoyable thing about the AOL list was the fun REN and
Matt had by leaving spurious postings, It made him more human to me. Then
the AOL list announced the WWW site, where I found the Infected@ news group,
I again hoped when I subscribed to it that I would find people like myself.
At thirty-two, I guess I should grow up.
>
>Now, I could start listing my academic achievments or my great job or even
my great life, but I don't feel the need to defend myself. Like you, I
love the The. I have every album, I have seen Matt four times live.
Wrapping this all up, I would like thank those people who understood the
"spirit" of my message and responded personally or via the newsgroup to me.
I can't help thinking though , The distance grows wider as the wire grows
thinner. Through electronics you anonymity is assured, Why can't we pull
down the walls and talk?
>
>Questions for the group:
>
>1.) What ever happened to Matt and Fiona's relationship?
>
>2.) Why was I under the impression that Andy had died from AIDS.
>
>3.) Is John Maher still with Angie or did his problem with his weight and
the bottle destroy that relationship?
>
>4.) Have you bought any Robert Johnson albums lately, and what songs do
ya' think Matt will do?
>
>5.) What is the noise on the Hanky Panky cd between track #10 and 11?
>
>6.) What does the Oriental Prostitute say at the begining of "Sodium light
Baby?"
>
>
> Question for THETHEXXX@AOL.COM
>
>1.) Matt, do you know who the real "Little Walter" is and have you heard
his story.
>
>
>
>Lastly, who is that guy in the corner on the keyboard, and why won't he
just shut up?
>
------------------------------
From: Desica@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Wanting Something So Badly
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:36:21 -0400
Message-Id: <950704163620_107794492@aol.com>
Question to all:
How many have had and continue to have the "[h]ave you ever wanted something
so badly" experience"?
And, do you know that it is going to be NOTwhat you wanted after all WHILE
you are wanting it? And, you can't stop yourself?
Does anyone else find that opening to True Happiness to be absolutely
brilliant in its simplicity and delivery? Not of course that Matt doesn't
generally exude brilliance, but there's just that extra twist to it that if
it were sung, it just wouldn't hit home the same way.
Deborah
------------------------------
From: Higsby@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Wanting Something So Badly
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 12:46:52 -0400
Message-Id: <950705124651_25715433@aol.com>
On July 4th, Deborah wrote:
>How many have had and continue to have the "[h]ave you ever wanted
>something so badly" experience"?
>
>And, do you know that it is going to be NOTwhat you wanted after all WHILE
>you are wanting it? And, you can't stop yourself?
Since the moment I gained conciousness, until the moment I lose it, I have
and will continue to have that 'experience'. In my opinion this sums up the
true essence of what it is to be human. Nothing I wanted has ever made me
truly happy, and very few things I didn't want did either.
>Does anyone else find that opening to True Happiness to be absolutely
>brilliant in its simplicity and delivery? Not of course that Matt doesn't
>generally exude brilliance, but there's just that extra twist to it that if
>it were sung, it just wouldn't hit home the same way.
I concur. It is so unexpected and unorthodox, I wonder at the ability of a
human being to have written it. I can't really call it one of my favorite
songs, instead it is one of my favorite 'things' that happens to be a song.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
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Subject: musings of the bemused
i'm sitting here on the 4th of july, laughing at people trying to bring
illegal fireworks from wisc. into minnesota. i laugh becuase it seems so
trivial. i read through the declaration of independence and just had to
shake my head...not sure what it all means here anymore.
i went to a company picnic which was held at an amusement park and water
slide funland. as i coasted down a 100 foot drop of water, having the time
of my life...images of famine in africa filled my head.
okay so i'm being a bit excessive here, but it is related. to those that
much has been given, much is expected. the Much doesn't necessarily mean
money either.
this is what i get from theThe, the identification that i am not alone, no
matter how hard i may try to be. and that there are responsiblities, whether
we accept them or not. there are always people out there, high tech societies
will crave high touch, we cannot help but...
and while i have an excessive sense of humor and really do enjoy life, it
doesn't hurt to have a bit of piss thrown in the vinegar, as grandma would
say. stay connected
and no i'm not drunk :)
think about it...
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
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Subject: on a less morose note
does anyone know the studio musicians for the forthcoming release.
and i've heard no single on that Judge Dred thingee.
saw the movie, or what little i could hear or see. people don't sit in one
screening, they move about, and i got stuck in the back...grrr
anyhow, i didn't even hear the theThe tune...the movie was turned off about 4
bars into that cure tune. where in the movie was it?
and i laughed a lot. stallone was as expected a wooden kinda guy eh? a good
matinee or rental movie.
cheers, euthelene
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: drunken tirade
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 20:04:11 -0400
Message-Id: <950704200409_107885570@aol.com>
thanks for the statement...i too am over 30, oh hell with it, i'm 31 going on
32. i guess i comfortable with that, kinda. so i can relate to the concept
of idealism you had there regarding this form of communication. but let's
face it, this is no different than any other form of exchange, we are too
human for our own good.
and with regards to that wall, its mighty big and thick and reienforced.
this forum at least allows us to get a bit closer. its a start.
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From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Question to Matt???
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 08:52:20 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507050752.IAA03836@uxa.liv.ac.uk>
I have been infected for the best part of my adult life, lurve Matt
dearly, I always wondered what I would do if I ever had (by some freak
chance) the opportunity to meet him, what would I say/ask ?
Well, cutting a short story short, it happened !
The Jingle Hell Tour (dusk) hit Liverpool, a suprise in itself, in that
established bands seldom play Liverpool, so I got my ticket, wet myself
and waited....
The big day came, the concert was awesome, as anybody who went would tell,
superb lighting, sound, performance, and 'the' songs, anyway it all happened
to fast, and there I was outside, rambling on to anybody who would listen,
just how special Matt was, and the message that he was spreading, well I
started to come down a little, after 2 hours or so, when aaaagh....
There HE was, larger than life, walking out of the stage door, the record
cover was before me !
This is it, what do I ask???, something dumb ;
Whens the new LP out ?
something clever :) ;
How do u feel about religion ?
something witty ;
How large is your foreskin?
Well there he was, my friend pulled him over, I was leaning against
the wall, he was in front of ME !
Here goes... I froze, I stood there staring, I could'nt talk, just stared
unreal, Mind Bomb was staring at me, we stared for what felt like a lifetime,
then he went, all over...
Looking back I said what I wanted, what could I say ?
Just one thing sprung to mind... Thanks Matt!
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: questions from the angry guy
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:54:27 -0400
Message-Id: <950705095426_25615033@aol.com>
matt and fiona are history, have been for a few years. he's got a new gal,
but i forgot her name.
robt. johnson?--you can get every song the guy ever recorded on 2 cds, so it
ain't a big investment. rambling on my mind, terraplane blues, hellbound on
my trail, 32-20 blues. my choices, but then i can't understand what he is
saying half the time anyway.
sorry, don't know what the noises are.
sometimes it is not easy to discuss what songs really mean to people. i know
that they have very distinct and personal meanings to me. sometimes private
as well. so shut up.
and regarding the details of collecting, in my case it is simply the effort
to find all the damn music i possibly can by an artist. to hell with
different covers and artwork, that is fun, but it really is the music. and
thru collecting, i have found hundreds of minutes of the the not on the
albums. something wrong with that?
goodnight.
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: tearing down those walls
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:10:51 -0400
Message-Id: <950705111050_25660530@aol.com>
not to be confused with another brick in the wall.
well, we've had some interesting interaction here, i thought for a while
there the flame had stopped our brains from functioning.
as for tearing down wals, pretty hard to do. one of the things i like about
doing radio is simply that i can be whatever, and still am protected by
sitting behind that mic. i'm actually more like my real self on-air than if
confronted with people face-to-face. that's why i enjoy communicating this
way too, people seem to be either totally scamming for flesh or more brutally
honest...
and that's also why ive followed the progression of matt's lyrics. he and i
are roughly the same age and just let's say its been interesting "growing up"
at the same time.
that's why the flame didn't bother me, the message was sincere just garbled
by some mighty fine tasting beer.
and as for my collection that was stolen, yes they are just things...but they
are my things and some days i let the things become more personal than the
people in my life. but CDs don't break your heart or forget to pay rent or
drink all your beer...attempt at lightening up this already really long thing
here.
in case you've haven't noticed i ramble ;)
cheers
euthelene
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From: asmith@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
To: 75013.61@compuserve.com, br00128@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu,
infected@CS.UChicago.EDU, Lori.Gillis.Lowthert@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU,
lschehr@jaguar1.usouthal.edu, MORGAN@image.com, symmetry@umich.edu,
Taofortwo@aol.com, tk034298@CONDOR.MBCR.BCM.TMC.EDU,
nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
Subject: address test
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 95 12:31:23 cst
Message-Id: <9506058049.AA804973299@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us>
I'm just testing all my e-mail addresses. When you opened this, a
receipt was sent back to me, so you need do nothing more. (unless
you'd actually like to write or something)
nate
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From: nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu, Higsby@aol.com
Subject: Re[2]: Wanting Something So Badly
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 95 12:54:58 cst
Message-Id: <9506058049.AA804974679@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us>
RE: Happiness this way LIES
from a more cynical point of view, did anyone ever realize the double
entendre (that's french for double meaning) that the title of this
song implies?
Lies - to occupy a certain relative place or position; to be
sustainable or admissible; to have place: exist.
or
Lies - to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive; to create a
false or misleading impression
I've always read matt's lyrics from a buddhist gone awry position. I
mean, to reach happiness one must not desire. Does that mean one must
desire nothing because one has it All or has Nothing, or merely has
just Enough? Is the only true freedom, freedom from the heart's
desire? I think we could debate this forever, although I know I still
desire and have reached a sense of happiness. Try reading the Tao of
Pooh as an introduction to eastern thought. It's amusing and isn't so
tedious in translation as the original texts (Lao Tzu's Tao).
I like the way matt leaves this message open ended. It gives me
something to think about but doesn't necessarily change my life.
nate
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: oh yeah
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 23:16:15 -0400
Message-Id: <950705231533_108716411@aol.com>
i just remembered. matt's girlfriend is named johanna.
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From: thethe@wpi.edu (Benjamin Cabell V)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: A Picture of Me With Matt Johnson!
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 1995 02:41:24 -0400
Message-Id: <199507070641.CAA17100@bigboote.WPI.EDU>
Okay, this is fairly shameless... But I just digitized this photo
(unfortunately with a somewhat poor scanner) of Matt and I, and of the
license plate of mine he signed... And if anyone would actually care about
such things (other than me of course), I figured it would be the people on
this mail list.
So, here's the URL:
http://www.wpi.edu/~thethe/thethe/menmatt.html
Oh, and I updated the The The page I created... It is still pretty
Spartan... I haven't really added anything to it, other than corrected
links, (included all of the Sony On-Line links), and I did the neat-o HTML
3.0 thing. If anyone ever thinks of anything to include, please mail me.
URL:
http://www.wpi.edu/~thethe/thethe/thethe.html
Thanks. Hope everybody's good.
- - Quincy.
..............................
.......................: Benjamin "Quincy" Cabell V :........................
: Worcester Polytechnic Institute :
: Mechanical Engineering Major with Design and Computer Science Interests :
:............................. thethe@wpi.edu ..............................:
: NEW & IMPROVED :
......: WEB PAGE! :......
: http://www.wpi.edu/~thethe :
:............................:
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From: Jon Bauer
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: I must gush.
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 18:56:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
I feel the need to post a gushing message and stand up to applaud the
efforts of Philip "Jay" Kastner here on the list. I just got 3 tapes
from Jay of various "the The" remixes and rare stuff. He painstakingly
put together an excellent collage of music.
Thank you Jay for your efforts and your meticulous attention to details.
[Gush mode off]
- - Jon Bauer
jbauer@pepsi.com or jbauer@cloud9.net
url - http://www.cloud9.net/~jbauer
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From: Graham Moore
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: branding iron
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 15:41:36 +0100 (BST)
Message-ID: <9507071541.aa05552@scott.sco.com>
I haven't posted anything yet and its about time I did.
Just to lighten the heavy discussions up a bit, does anyone have any idea
who has and where in the world the branding iron used on the "Hanky Panky"
CD sleeve is? I guess that would be quite a "hot" (forgive the pun)
collectors item.
Grahamm
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From: srstanfield@ccinet.ab.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Cc: Gina Greer
Subject: Re: if you held a gun to my head...
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:40:53 -0600
Message-Id: <9507071540.AA21575@bach.ccinet.ab.ca>
It's late 1987, I have a head full of God-knows-what-drugs (ah, the 80's ...),
I'm driving around in circles through downtown Toronto and BBS is in the tape
deck. I spend three+ years of my life drowning in substance abuse, depression
and self-pity.
On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Gina Greer said:
>then this explains why I enjoy matt's newer work. the older stuff i don't
>listen to as frequently as to me, it reminds me of the confusion and
>depression stuff i experienced in my younger years.
>as theThe matures, so does the music. i can follow it at every level
>which is why i'm an addict with their music. can't say i wouldn't listen
>to them anymore but i sure enjoy the more recent work more frequently
I find this kind of funny (not funny ha-ha, funny oh-oh), back then I listened
to BBS and SM for the same reasons "the confusion and depression stuff", but
you know as I've gotten older, got clean, got married, got an education, got a
job, got a life - Burning Blue Soul has gotten something too, its grown for me
into , Christ I don't know, mythical status. I can hear MJ's pain in the notes
of the music, the desperation he feels to get out of the basement of his
parents' pub, learn - grow, discover.
BBS is almost a magical experience to me now, all about trying to find out
what you are and that is never a pleasant or painless experience. Its amazing
to be able to sit down and listen to one man's and at the same time look back
with amazement and relief at your own.
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From: "Lisa J. Moran"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: fave album
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 01:47:13 +0930
Message-Id: <199507071617.AA23804@monty.cs.flinders.edu.au>
fave album would HAVE to be Soul Mining, it was the first the The i ever heard
and then it had a fantastic qualtity of mirroring life, even now i guess..
I love the other main records but nothing quite surpasses it..
fave tracks is harder, i find most tracks lovely in their own way :)
perhaps, Bluer than Midnight, Solitude or Giant..
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From: Peter Caira
To: "Lisa J. Moran"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: fave album
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 12:45:31 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, Lisa J. Moran wrote:
> fave album would HAVE to be Soul Mining, it was the first the The i ever heard
> and then it had a fantastic qualtity of mirroring life, even now i guess..
> I love the other main records but nothing quite surpasses it..
> fave tracks is harder, i find most tracks lovely in their own way :)
> perhaps, Bluer than Midnight, Solitude or Giant..
Giant! I loooooooove Giant....it's so great! Especially all the drums
and the chanting at the end...oh, that rules...then, when perfect comes
on...oooh...another good song! (am I being too enthusiastic?)
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - M.E. Amos
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From: "Lisa J. Moran"
To: caira@server.uwindsor.ca
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: GIANT!
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 02:21:42 +0930
Message-Id: <199507071651.AA24169@monty.cs.flinders.edu.au>
no, i don't think you are being too enthusiastic when it comes to giant!
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From: "Lisa J. Moran"
To: caira@server.uwindsor.ca
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re:GIANT!
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 1995 02:55:51 +0930
Message-Id: <199507071725.AA24661@monty.cs.flinders.edu.au>
>GREAT! (I'm listening to it now, actually...(:)
likewise :) i guess you've got to love deja-vu :)
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From: Peter Caira
To: "Lisa J. Moran"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: GIANT!
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, Lisa J. Moran wrote:
> no, i don't think you are being too enthusiastic when it comes to giant!
GREAT! (I'm listening to it now, actually...(:)
Pete Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://server.uwindsor.ca:8000/~caira
"I live for the nerd scene" - M.E. Amos
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From: Desica@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 14:08:32 -0400
Message-Id: <950708140831_110559625@aol.com>
Pandora wrote:
>Now there's a contest folks - how about we all talk
>about our favorite the The lyrics? It might
>open things up to a little more in depth discussion.
Great suggestion...where does one even start? It's almost like trying to
pick a favorite CD, it's impossible. Different lyrics strike me at different
times depending .....
I think I'll start with favorite lyrics having to do with love and
relationships.
First, I am struck by what an incredible story teller Matt is on top of being
able to so succintly capture the essence of a feeling in one line. Kingdom
of Rain and August and September conjure up very vivid scenes in my mind
which really drive home the meaning. It's like watching a movie.
Especially, from Kingdom of Rain "But as silent as the car lights that move
across this room. As cold as our bodies silhouetted by the moon. And I
would like awake and wonder....'is it just me, or is the is the way that love
is supposed to be?'"
As for August and September, the whole thing is so vivid, it is amazing.
"Then you came back to me, & I went down on one knee. With a glint in my
eye & a rose between my teeth. And I pushed out my tongue for you to see.
That I had been dying of a thrist, for your company....." And it just keeps
getting better.
Perhaps one of my favorite lines which says so much with so few words is also
from August and September...."Was our love too stong to die? Or were we just
too weak to kill it?" Think about the incalculable amount of time spent
struggling with the manifestations of that simple little lyric.
Anyway, great suggestion Pandora and I'm anxious to hear others' thoughts.
Also, keep up the dialogue on "Truth". That's a really tough one....it's
very slippery.
Deborah
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From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: Desica@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:55:50 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507101555.QAA25276@uxa.liv.ac.uk>
In the last mail Desica@aol.com said:
>
> Pandora wrote:
>
> >Now there's a contest folks - how about we all talk
> >about our favorite the The lyrics? It might
> >open things up to a little more in depth discussion.
>
> Great suggestion...where does one even start? It's almost like trying to
> pick a favorite CD, it's impossible. Different lyrics strike me at different
> times depending .....
>
> I think I'll start with favorite lyrics having to do with love and
> relationships.
>
> First, I am struck by what an incredible story teller Matt is on top of being
> able to so succintly capture the essence of a feeling in one line. Kingdom
> of Rain and August and September conjure up very vivid scenes in my mind
> which really drive home the meaning. It's like watching a movie.
>
> Especially, from Kingdom of Rain "But as silent as the car lights that move
> across this room. As cold as our bodies silhouetted by the moon. And I
> would like awake and wonder....'is it just me, or is the is the way that love
> is supposed to be?'"
>
> As for August and September, the whole thing is so vivid, it is amazing.
> "Then you came back to me, & I went down on one knee. With a glint in my
> eye & a rose between my teeth. And I pushed out my tongue for you to see.
> That I had been dying of a thrist, for your company....." And it just keeps
> getting better.
>
> Perhaps one of my favorite lines which says so much with so few words is also
> from August and September...."Was our love too stong to die? Or were we just
> too weak to kill it?" Think about the incalculable amount of time spent
> struggling with the manifestations of that simple little lyric.
>
> Anyway, great suggestion Pandora and I'm anxious to hear others' thoughts.
> Also, keep up the dialogue on "Truth". That's a really tough one....it's
> very slippery.
>
> Deborah
>
Too many to choose from, but one line that I love dearly, is from
Another Boy Drowning ;
Monday morning, I looked the mirror in the eye,
I swear I kill myself if I ever went blind
and so on, I don't know why I like it, it's just cool, it showed
just what potential young Matt had!
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From: Michael Shane Thompson
To: "Mr R. Forster"
cc: Desica@aol.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 11:00:52 -0600 (MDT)
Message-ID:
I know this is a little late, I have been off line for awhile.
One of my favorite lines in a the The song is
"I am too tense to be tender
You are too weak to be true"
- -Slow Train to Dawn.
I have thought of that line a many a times when me and my wife are
fighting while I am taking finals. She accuses me of not paying enough
attention to her and not being loving when the truth is I am trying to
pass some fricken class. That's all I got to say!
ShaneT
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From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com (Pandora)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 02:23:00 -0700
Message-Id: <199507120923.CAA23720@gn2.getnet.com>
>> Great suggestion...where does one even start? It's almost like trying to
>> pick a favorite CD, it's impossible. Different lyrics strike me at different
>> times depending .....
Well, I didn't mean "pick one and only one, your absolute favorite lyric
of all time" --- just to discuss the ones here and there that stuck out
and meant something to you now or at a previous time, as many
as you could think of.
>> I think I'll start with favorite lyrics having to do with love and
>> relationships.
>>
>> First, I am struck by what an incredible story teller Matt is on top of being
>> able to so succintly capture the essence of a feeling in one line. Kingdom
>> of Rain and August and September conjure up very vivid scenes in my mind
>> which really drive home the meaning. It's like watching a movie.
>>
>> Especially, from Kingdom of Rain "But as silent as the car lights that move
>> across this room. As cold as our bodies silhouetted by the moon. And I
>> would like awake and wonder....'is it just me, or is the is the way that love
>> is supposed to be?'"
That's interesting because I just introduced a friend to the The (probably
a common pursuit for us lonely theThephiles, althought I'm pretty selective -
I don't introduce just ANYBODY :-)). I started her off with Mind Bomb
since that's first one I heard and the one that really hooked me.
I didn't know if she'd like it or not, but she really loved it. Wasn't too
crazy about the first three songs, but just loves Kingdom of Rain, especially
the lyrics you just mentioned, and in fact she said something along the lines
of what you said - "the imagery is so beautiful and real, it really gets to me."
We had a great moment there where we were quoting lyrics back and forth,
which I can tell you guys, is not something that happens to me much in
good old Phoenix, Arizona.
So here's my question folks. I'm going to see her tomorrow, and I want to
bring the next installment. Given that she really likes KofR and also Beyond
Love and Gravitate to Me, which album do you think is most appropriate
to lend her next? I'm really torn. Keep in mind she doesn't just like love
songs. One day she said "I'm feeling kind of twisted and degraded (don't
ask!) and I said, you should start listening to NIN. She got Pretty Hate
Machine
and adored it, and then went out and bought all the NIN stuff.....so anyway,
I'm torn. Let's take a poll...which the The album do you think I should
bring her
next?
>> As for August and September, the whole thing is so vivid, it is amazing.
>> "Then you came back to me, & I went down on one knee. With a glint in my
>> eye & a rose between my teeth. And I pushed out my tongue for you to see.
>> That I had been dying of a thrist, for your company....." And it just keeps
>> getting better.
Here's a really offbeat question and I know I'm tempting the Great Flame God,
but I just HAVE to ask. Does anyone else think those lyrics are about oral
sex? If not, what do you think they're about? Proposing? Kissing?
I thought about this many a time before, in the millions of times I've listened
to MB (way before I was ever on the Internet or even could talk to another
the The fan).
>> Perhaps one of my favorite lines which says so much with so few words is also
>> from August and September...."Was our love too stong to die? Or were we just
>> too weak to kill it?" Think about the incalculable amount of time spent
>> struggling with the manifestations of that simple little lyric.
Ah yes, another brilliantly twisted and clever MJ lyric.
The funny thing about that song is that while I like it ok, I was never that
into
it - until - I saw him play it live! Ooh, baby that can really revolutionize
a song. (a similar thing happened to me when I saw Peter Murphy
do "The Line Between the Devil's Teeth, but that's a whole 'nother story)
That was a great concert, by the way. He opened up for DM
and the man was on FIRE. After his show was over, I said "well, I can
die happy now!" Ok, enough pointless raving.
While we're (not) on the subject of Peter Murphy, does anyone else think
that "Uncertain Smile" sounds a little like "Indigo Eyes"? I always think
of that when I listen to the opening of US.
>> Anyway, great suggestion Pandora and I'm anxious to hear others' thoughts.
>> Also, keep up the dialogue on "Truth". That's a really tough one....it's
>> very slippery.
Yes, indeed, that is the very nature of Truth. the problem is when people
began to think that Truth was somehow a rock solid, constant thing.....
------------------------------
From: pandora@gn2.getnet.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 03:30:42 -0700
Message-Id: <199507171030.DAA00919@gn2.getnet.com>
How about this one....
"Down by the river, I'll be washing out my mouth
Cause deep in the heart of me is a frightened
man who's crying out... Oh I'm just looking for
paradise, anywhere in this world
I'll be gunning for heaven, in this man made hell"
or
"One day I asked the angels, for inspiration
the devil bought me a drink,
he's been buying them, ever since"
or
"oh what a perfect day, to think about myself
my feet are firmly screwed to the floor
what is there to fear
from such a regular world?"
on a side note, we recently purchased Music Choice,
which is like cable for your stereo with about 30 digital
channels of various musical styles. The selections on the
"Modern Rock" channel are surprisingly astute - a good
mix of new and classic alternative - and not just the obvious
stuff. This perception was further validated when I heard
them play "Uncertain Smile" yesterday. I wouldn't have been
surprised had they just played "Infected" or "Dogs of Lust"
or something obvious like that, but playing something from
Soul Mining proves that whoever is picking their playlist
is pretty on the ball.
------------------------------
From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu, roadcap@mercury.sfsu.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 14:13:00 -0400
Message-Id: <9507131813.AA21546@buclaa.bu.edu>
Gordon wrote:
[Nick Cave lyrics deleted]
>I apologize for the non-The The material, but they're some great lyrics.
Oddly enough, I was just thinking about artists I think Matt should consider
covering in his series of tribute albums. With Hank Williams covered and
Robert Johnson and The Beatles on deck, who else would make for a good match
with Matt? Three names that leapt out at me were Nick Cave, Richard Thompson
and Nick Drake. I think Matt could do some great things with each of these
artists songs. Just something I thought of this morning.
Also, I forget if this has been mentioned before, but does anyone know what
the lineup is for the _Gun Sluts_ album? I believe it's the same as the
_Hanky Panky_ lineup, but I'm not sure. Who plays on the _Judge Dredd_
soundtrack? I haven't picked it up yet, but I will when I find it in the
used bin for $4 or $5.
Rich
Boston Univ.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:10:48 -0400
Message-Id: <950713191048_32193723@aol.com>
nick cave writes some of the best. anyone ever read his novel? a few
hundred page nick cave song. brilliant...
and nick drake is another great choice, i wouldn't want to hear nick cave
covers, but nick drake's can really be worked with.
however, not enough in there about lust, and we all know how matt likes lust.
------------------------------
From: "Gordon C. Roadcap"
To: THE the
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:36:26 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id:
Leave it to Pandora to spice things up with the favorite lyric thread.
Well, since my favorite love song lyric has been quoted, i.e., "Was our
love too strong to die? Or were we just too weak to kill it?"
My favorite The The lyric by far would have to be:
"Y'see I sold my soul, to pay for my dinner.
My stomach grew fatter, but my heart grew thinner.
I ain't foolin', I'm fallin', I wasn't wicked, just weak,
I ain't lyin', I'm dyin', crippled by deceit."
twilight of a champion
Mostly I'm attracted to the first two lines. Seems so often that we sell
ourselves for the immediate gratification, all the while knowing that
we've sold a chunk of our humanity for a tangible commodity.
Now if anyone would be interested to see my all time favorite lyric,
which isn't The The, then read on.
"I cannot blame it all on her
To blame her all would be a lie
For many a night I lay awake
And wished that I would watch her die
To see her accusing finger spurt
To see flies swarm her hateful eye
To watch her groaning in the dirt
To see her clicking tongue crack dry
O brother, buy me one more drink
One more drink and then goodbye
And do not mock me when I say
Let's drink one more before I die
O brother, my cup is empty
And I hat got a penny
For to buy no more whiskey
i have to go home."
Nick Cave
I apologize for the non-The The material, but they're some great lyrics.
Gordon
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: Desica@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite Lyrics
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 18:08:16 EDT
Message-Id:
>Perhaps one of my favorite lines which says so much with so few words is also
>from August and September...."Was our love too stong to die? Or were we just
>too weak to kill it?" Think about the incalculable amount of time spent
>struggling with the manifestations of that simple little lyric.
>Deborah
Thats a great one...I also like many of the liners from Soul Mining, though
I cannot think of specific wording right now.
Although not his, he says it really well:
A jug of wine to numb my mind, but what good does it do? The jug runs dry
and still I cry, I can't escape from you.
Dave
------------------------------
From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: lyrics
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 16:34:37 -0400
Message-Id: <950708163435_28372991@aol.com>
hummm, what a challenge because the reason i'm a theThe maven is because of
the lyrics.
but the dreamy side of me say Gravitate to Me / Beyond Love. i still believe
passion exists even if (hem) that keeps slipping away.
the political / religious side says Sweet Bird of Truth.
and the dusk side says Helpline Operator.
i've already posted my share of heady and in depth prose, albeit poorly
spelled, but i've enjoyed the postings. :)
cheers, euthelene
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From: "Lisa J. Moran"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: lyrics
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 15:45:48 +0930
Message-Id: <199507090615.AA10387@monty.cs.flinders.edu.au>
"You're floating down a tunnel in a little wooden box.
You're cold and you're lonely and enveloped in the fog.
You've been prised open and left here to die..
You should have trusted your instincts 'cause they don't tell lies.
Something always goes wrong......etc"
On a melancoly note i would pick soul mining but there is so much more for different moods, different times of my life...i'm still thinking...
------------------------------
From: djelline@haverford.edu (Dave Jellinek)
To: "Lisa J. Moran"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: lyrics
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 95 18:08:26 EDT
Message-Id:
>"You're floating down a tunnel in a little wooden box.
> You're cold and you're lonely and enveloped in the fog.
> You've been prised open and left here to die..
> You should have trusted your instincts 'cause they don't tell lies.
> Something always goes wrong......etc"
>
>On a melancoly note i would pick soul mining but there is so much more for
>different moods, different times of my life...i'm still thinking...
As I said, there are lots from SM I love...thats one of them.
Dave
------------------------------
From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Worst Song ?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:51:38 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507111051.LAA05849@uxa.liv.ac.uk>
Its really tough, I know, I myself cannot think of one but can anybody
think of Matt's worst effort, just curious thats all
------------------------------
From: "J.Q.N.P. Wirken"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: use violence as an advantage
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 17:52:48 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
Violence, the feeling that the truth is not right, that the truth cannot
coexcist with your moral and that in a sense you start questioning human
being, is a feeling everyone will experience sometime. And I thing we can
learn from it. Not cognitive learning. We can learn more about ourself.
How we, our body, our mind, react in certain situations. Let's say that
you get cought by the police for something you didn't do. When you
previously have experienced violence of truth in a similar way, you know
how to react, or at least how not to react. It helps you to control
yourself. I admit it sounds strange. Nobody wants to experience abnormal
situations. Being confronted with un-understandable truth, such as that
the french will nuke Mururoa, you learn how your mind or your body
reacts. Or if you visit Dachau, or when a Unprofor (United Nations
Protection Force) soldier gets shot in the face, all of this violence of
truth will wake up emotions from which you can run anway or from which
you can learn.
I hope I have made myself clear (that sounds bossy, don't mean to)
o.k.
(btw, where does ok come from, I once heard that these are the
initials of someone who used to check some fabricate before it would
leave the mill, and if a product had no defcet he put his initials on
it and by that infected the world. But I don't know if its true)
And now in response to Patrick Stewart,
We do not all share the same truth because then the question "what's
wrong with the world today" would not be asked. And no, you are not
spinning madly out of control, although, if we keep this discussion
moving on on this page, surely some readers will think that we are indeed
mad.
All of you all, goodbye
Jan
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1 SHIMIZU Seishi Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
2 Yuichi Nishihara Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
3 Hirohisa TANIGUCHI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
4 Takashi Tomoeda Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan
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10 Yasushi UJIOKA Degremont S.A., France
11 Toru Hara Universite de Paris Sud, France
12 Rene Bakker CEA - Sacley, France
13 David Garzella Universite de Paris Sud, France
14 Henk Blok Vrije Universiteit/NIKHEF, Amsterdam
15 Igor Passchier NIKHEF, Amsterdam
16 Ard van Sighem NIKHEF, Amsterdam
17 Johan Noordhoek KOL Leiden
18 C.M.C.M. van Woerkens Kamerlingh Onnes Laboratory, Leiden
19 Annemarie Borst, Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
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21 Susanne Buiter Universiteit Utrecht
22 Stan Schoofs Universiteit Utrecht
23 Edward Prendergast Universiteit Utrecht
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25 Frank Achten Universiteit Utrecht
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34 Daniele Passerone Sissa, Trieste (Italy)
35 Daniela Bigatti Universita' di Genova (Italy)
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From: Wendy Sue Woltjer
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favourite Song
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 18:00:46 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
I can't possibly choose my favourite lyrics out of the whole anthology of
wonderment which emerged from the mind of M.J. but one of the songs which
appeals to me most is "Uncertain Smile" (even the title is fabulous!).
wendy
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From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: wwoltjer@sils.umich.edu (Wendy Sue Woltjer)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favourite Song
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 08:38:56 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507140738.IAA24970@chad2-21.liv.ac.uk>
In the last mail Wendy Sue Woltjer said:
>
> I can't possibly choose my favourite lyrics out of the whole anthology of
> wonderment which emerged from the mind of M.J. but one of the songs which
> appeals to me most is "Uncertain Smile" (even the title is fabulous!).
> wendy
>
I would have to agree with you, US, is a corker!!, not just the lyrics, also
the music how can anybody resist that piano break! and I always think
that it is a definite highlight when I have had the priveledge of seeing
Matt live.
------------------------------
From: "Lisa J. Moran"
To: Hirschdave@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: nick cave
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:53:20 +0930
Message-Id: <199507140423.AA02893@basil.cs.flinders.edu.au>
> nick cave writes some of the best. anyone ever read his novel? a few
>hundred page nick cave song. brilliant...
quite a creation isn't it? he hasn't written a second one yet has he?
- ---------------
"Eternity..what a horrible thought! I mean, whens it going to end?"
Tom Stoppard
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From: Patrick Stewart
To: the The
Subject: Favorite lyrics
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:56:19 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
It seems that I can only really know what my favorite lyrics are in
response to my moods... and seeing that my default mood would happen to
be a questioning one:
"How can anyone know me when I don't even know myself?"
(Giant)
Pretty much crystalizes it. I see it as reflecting an ongoing angst played
out against a variety of backgrounds, environments, viewpoints, and
differential constructions of self. While it is twisted, it is nice to
think that others have gone through such journeys of self discovery, and
found that removing the layers of self only reveals that intellectually
we are (ok, I am) like onions, and that the only depth of personality is
in the depth of emotions that we feel... and that pain is the emotion we
remember best.
But, to me, it is not so much the lyrics which are favorites of mine, as
how revealing his Mattness' voice is of emotion... such as his banshee
like wail in the Mercy Beat. Or the whispered intimations on the albums
since Dusk. To me, this is where the genius lies, for while the youth
sees that plaintive cries will gain attention, wisdom knows that when that
scream turns to a whisper is when our attention is gained, and held.
But then again, I could be wrong ;^}
Hey, on a lighter note... any idea where the crowd noise from "true
happiness this way lies" is from. I'm thinking game show, or cheesy Dean
Martin like lounge act ("honey, be a good girl and get me a double
martini straight up.")
Anyhow, time to return to being a sullen, yet productive member of society.
Patrick Stewart
(I'm so behind, I wasn't present for my own birth!)
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From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: t70pas1@corn.cso.niu.edu (Patrick Stewart)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite lyrics
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:32:09 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199507191132.MAA12392@uxa.liv.ac.uk>
In the last mail Patrick Stewart said:
>
> It seems that I can only really know what my favorite lyrics are in
> response to my moods... and seeing that my default mood would happen to
> be a questioning one:
>
> "How can anyone know me when I don't even know myself?"
> (Giant)
>
> Pretty much crystalizes it. I see it as reflecting an ongoing angst played
> out against a variety of backgrounds, environments, viewpoints, and
> differential constructions of self. While it is twisted, it is nice to
> think that others have gone through such journeys of self discovery, and
> found that removing the layers of self only reveals that intellectually
> we are (ok, I am) like onions, and that the only depth of personality is
> in the depth of emotions that we feel... and that pain is the emotion we
> remember best.
>
> But, to me, it is not so much the lyrics which are favorites of mine, as
> how revealing his Mattness' voice is of emotion... such as his banshee
> like wail in the Mercy Beat. Or the whispered intimations on the albums
> since Dusk. To me, this is where the genius lies, for while the youth
> sees that plaintive cries will gain attention, wisdom knows that when that
> scream turns to a whisper is when our attention is gained, and held.
>
> But then again, I could be wrong ;^}
>
> Hey, on a lighter note... any idea where the crowd noise from "true
> happiness this way lies" is from. I'm thinking game show, or cheesy Dean
> Martin like lounge act ("honey, be a good girl and get me a double
> martini straight up.")
>
> Anyhow, time to return to being a sullen, yet productive member of society.
>
> Patrick Stewart
> (I'm so behind, I wasn't present for my own birth!)
>
I agree 100%, the quoted line, does mean a hell of lot to me
too, it sort of puts life into balance does'nt it, ;
how can we criticise or be criticised when I don't know myself,
on hearing 'the' line, I realised, that there was more to life
that meets the eye, I started to question my existence, why was I
here ?, what was my purpose, all different things that make you
what you are, and like a onion, you start from the surface and you will
eventually reach the core, I do know myself a little better, after
peeling back the layers, but I am far away from truly knowing myself..
and I defy anybody who can honestly say that they truly do know
themselves...
on the question of Matts lyrics, every song is a classic, where do you
begin ??
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From: Euthelene@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: tortured
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:05:30 -0400
Message-Id: <950721110153_119816567@aol.com>
disclaimer: this is not an attempt at polluting the digest.
disclaimer over.
recently a friend who owns a record store in minneapolis, came across 2
copies of the tortured lp. i have both. he charged me 20.00 a pop.
if anyone would like me to send them the other copy just email me at
Euthelene@aol.com. i just need $ to cover the postage and the $20.00. okay
it was 19.99 + tax @ 7% but who cares. just give me the 20 and postage and
i'll be a happy capitalist although probably not a very savy one.
no, theThe isn't about collecting and workshipping vinyl or laser imprinted
plastic. but gosh darn it, i'm trying to be nice.
cheers, euthelene
work backwards from reality.
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From: "'j'--'Swank'-on-ISCA"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The comp. tapes
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:56:11 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
Hi-
Just wanted to make sure that everyone on the list that sent $ for the
comp. tapes did indeed receive them. According to my list, everyone
should have. I have been talking with a few people over the last few
months about making them some--but they never get anything decided. You
know who you are.....so please make a decision and let me know. I would
like to complete the mailings (tapes are done) so that this last series
is indeed done. The The fans from all over the world have requested and
received the comp. tapes---so I'm pretty damn tired. Officialy, I am
done, and have already turned a few people's requests down. And....
...a final "thanks" to Dave for his help. Atleast THETHEXXX will now be
happy!!!
JaY
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