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From: Steven W Hill
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Ambitious?
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 96 1:39:30 CDT
Message-Id: <9606010640.AA16944@harper.cc.il.us>

Info on "Ambitious"
Ambitious? a collection of some of Britain's most influential alternative
artists

C&S Records CS-8529-2
(C) and (P) 1996

Includes MATT JOHNSON's "What Stanley Saw"

Full track listing:
1 Dead Kennedys, holiday in cambodia
2 Matt Johnson, what stanley saw
3 Marc Bolan, you scare me to death
4 Everything But The Girl, on my mind
5 Andy Partridge, history of rock 'n' roll
6 Robert Wyatt, rangers in the nightst
7 Hybrid Kids, d'ya think i'm sexy
8 Morgan-Fisher, celebration
9 Medium, Medium, hungry, so angry
10 The Monochrome Set, jet set junta
11 Laibach, die liebe
12 Prolapse, serpico
13 Red Box, chenko (sounds like a 7" version to me)
14 Tracey Thorn, goodbye joe
15 Felt, primitive painters (Liz Fraser on vocals)
16 Blow-Up, world
17 Martyn Bates, the look of love
18 Momus, the sadness of things

- -shill
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From: Psbthethe@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: looking to trade
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 14:34:32 -0400
Message-ID: <960601143430_405186832@emout09.mail.aol.com>

hello everyone,
i have been a the The collector since 1983. i have a ton of items by the The
and am looking to trade tapes or items with anyone. i started my the The
collection with a promo 12" of uncertain smile (white sleeve, black print 2
versions 7/10 minutes) i have been a dj for the past 16 years. i have all
the original 12"s , 7"s, promo items including the 12" promo for the infected
lp with a bizzare commercial type promo for the lp. i heard there was a the
The brain out there, has anyone heard of it?
has anyone actually seen a copy of pornography of despair?

i have seen the The 6 times. i won a contest and was able to go backstage
during the mind bomb tour as well. i met matt johnson as well as johnny marr
et al. i had m. johnson et al. sign a number of the The items. m.j. was blown
away to see the original b.b.s. eye lp, original uncertain smile 12"
controversial subject orig 7" , cold spell ahead orig 7".
we had a nice conversation about how much the originals were selling for. he
found it fascinating that at one time he couldn't get rid of them!
we went to a press session and he got annoyed at some press trying to label
his music.
i showed him my registration for my cars license plates, one car has 1 the
the, and the other has mindbomb (which my wife has just changed so it is back
on the market in n.y.)
anyone feel like trading or talking about the the or does anyone have any
news about gun sluts?
i get pre release tapes usually a few months before the cd hits the street so
let me know about what your interests are.

chris
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: looking to trade
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 13:12:42 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960601130247.2307e7d6@haven.uniserve.com>

Does he beat Dave for "crazy obsessed fan"? :)

At 02:34 PM 6/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>hello everyone,
>i have been a the The collector since 1983. i have a ton of items by the The
>and am looking to trade tapes or items with anyone. i started my the The
>collection with a promo 12" of uncertain smile (white sleeve, black print 2
>versions 7/10 minutes) i have been a dj for the past 16 years. i have all
>the original 12"s , 7"s, promo items including the 12" promo for the infected
>lp with a bizzare commercial type promo for the lp. i heard there was a the
>The brain out there, has anyone heard of it?
>has anyone actually seen a copy of pornography of despair?
>
>i have seen the The 6 times. i won a contest and was able to go backstage
>during the mind bomb tour as well. i met matt johnson as well as johnny marr
>et al. i had m. johnson et al. sign a number of the The items. m.j. was blown
>away to see the original b.b.s. eye lp, original uncertain smile 12"
>controversial subject orig 7" , cold spell ahead orig 7".
>we had a nice conversation about how much the originals were selling for. he
>found it fascinating that at one time he couldn't get rid of them!
>we went to a press session and he got annoyed at some press trying to label
>his music.
>i showed him my registration for my cars license plates, one car has 1 the
>the, and the other has mindbomb (which my wife has just changed so it is back
>on the market in n.y.)
>anyone feel like trading or talking about the the or does anyone have any
>news about gun sluts?
>i get pre release tapes usually a few months before the cd hits the street so
>let me know about what your interests are.
>
>chris
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"


-- Richard Baer --
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: looking to trade
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 19:18:17
Message-Id: <199606012313.TAA04460@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>


>Nobody beats Dave! Nobody!
>Trust me on this one. I lived with him for 3 months. Besided being
>crazy and obsessed about everything, his the The collection and devotion
>are unsurpassed.


well what's cool about Dave is you usually "find out" about all the "the The"
stuff he has instead of hearing him brag about it.

Also, he's very nice about giving out info and taking time out of his busy
schedule to help the list or answer questions.

I officially nominate him "man of the year."


JaY

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From: fawoods@hti.net
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: info request
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 22:53:56 -0700
Message-ID: <31B12C74.3DDD@hti.net>

Can anyone verify the existence of a 12" "Shades of Blue" on blue
vinyl. A couple of years ago, some person at a record show testified
to the possession of this item. Since I have yet to find evidence to
the contrary, I tend to believe he must have been mistaken.
At the show, he described the item as a legitimate pressing.
Therefore, it stands to reason that one of the discographies would
have catalogued the item. However, I have yet to come across a
discography that details the many available promos (I believe S. Hill
is working on this now). So, I guess it is possible that the item
could exist in some promo state. If anyone has any info, please post
it.


thanks
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From: Dog Food
To: Infected
Subject: Re: looking to trade
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:22:56 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:


Nobody beats Dave! Nobody!
Trust me on this one. I lived with him for 3 months. Besided being
crazy and obsessed about everything, his the The collection and devotion
are unsurpassed.

PJ

Named dog food in honor of getting bit by a german shepherd on 5/31.

______________________________________________________________________________
"I never let my schooling interfere with my education"- Mark Twain
"I think therfore, I am... I think!?
"I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."
_________________________________________________________________________



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From: lw92mmr@brunel.ac.uk (lw92mmr)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe....PLEASE
Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 22:47:59
Message-ID:


Nothing personal,

However, as a The The fan for some ten to twelve years, this is not how I
would imagine a 'the the' discussion group to be...


Leap into the Wind,

From my Seashell

Mark
x

Remember, if you can't save the world........



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From: Patrick Stewart
To: the The
Subject: Sunday comics
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:04:12 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:

Hey. Did anyone out there read the sunday funnies yesterday? The strip
"Dave" made an oblique reference/slam of theThe in a reference to albums
bought, overlistened to, and then kept on file. Look for the next to
last panel (me-thinks) for a cd-"cover".

Any thoughts, feelings, responses? (in other words-- did I hallucinate
this?)

Patrick
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From: John Higgs
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Sunday comics
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:50:22 GMT
Message-Id: <199606041050.KAA28383@netcom.co.uk>

This cartoon wouldn't have been by Tom Johnston would it? Tom was The The's
bass player back in the pre-burning blue soul days, but he chucked it all in
and became a professional cartoonist instead.

He has made references to The The before. I recall a two strip cartoon
featuring a bloke in a infected-era Andy Dog type The The T-shirt. The
details now escape me but the joke was along the lines that freaky t-shirts
such as this may, in fact, be vomit stains.

Ho ho ho.

John


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How many people are making plans that no-one else will understand?
How many times can a joker be an ace?
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From: Patrick Stewart
To: John Higgs
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Sunday comics
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:49:53 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:

Sorry the checking took a bit long.

Anyhow, the cartoon "Dave" is by David Miller. It's kind of a gen-X
"Cathy"-like comic strip (in other words, not that impressive. For those
not in the states-- its an "Andy Capp" type of strip without the biting
social commentary ;'/ ). It was a 7 panel story line that had headings
in reference to stages in the cd buying process, ie.:
initial contact
saturation point
purchase realization
self-realization (shows him as a sheep)
the collection (where theThe shows up)
denial.

I think the "slam" was not an offhanded compliment as he was grouping
theThe in with such groups/artists as Sheryl Crow; Til Tuesday; Crash
Test Dummies; and Haircut 100. Also, I don't think the guy who writes
the strip has the "hepness" to actually listen to artists for the sake of
understanding the whole of their work. He seems to be more of the
"average top-40 guy"; Mr. pizza and a six-pack.

Maybe I'm being elitist, but is there a certain type of personality that
finds themselves attuned to artists (not just theThe, but other groups as
well), where the majority are just tuning in for the "next cool song"?

C ya

Patrick
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From: Christopher King
To: Patrick Stewart
cc: the The
Subject: Re: Sunday comics
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:52:02 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:

I was quite bitter after having seen this. My roommate and I then
argued ad nauseum over the validity of the slam. We came to agreement
that it had to be some sort of inside joke, seeing as how the rest of the
artists on the list were definately top 40 material (although mostly
alternative rock cross-overs) and the the really hasn't had enough
success to validate mention in a pop comic strip. After a short cry, I
put on August&Septembet and felt better.

Cable....
A man of few sentiments and fewer postings


On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Patrick Stewart wrote:

> Hey. Did anyone out there read the sunday funnies yesterday? The strip
> "Dave" made an oblique reference/slam of theThe in a reference to albums
> bought, overlistened to, and then kept on file. Look for the next to
> last panel (me-thinks) for a cd-"cover".
>
> Any thoughts, feelings, responses? (in other words-- did I hallucinate
> this?)
>
> Patrick
>
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From: Deborah A Balzhiser-Morton
To: Patrick Stewart
cc: the The
Subject: Re: Sunday comics
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:47:44 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:



On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, Patrick Stewart wrote:

> Hey. Did anyone out there read the sunday funnies yesterday? The strip
> "Dave" made an oblique reference/slam of theThe in a reference to albums
> bought, overlistened to, and then kept on file. Look for the next to
> last panel (me-thinks) for a cd-"cover".
>
> Any thoughts, feelings, responses? (in other words-- did I hallucinate
> this?)
>
> Patrick
>
I just checked out the Sunday comics and it appears that my newspaper,
the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, only carries Dave Monday-Saturday. Sorry I
missed it, looks like I have a reason to subscribe to their competitor,
me being a petty person and all. Anyone heard anything on Gun Sluts?
I'm sorry if its been discussed (I'm fairly new here) but its been kind
of bugging me. I also want to respond to the BBS message. It's not my
favorite, but its still in the regular rotation around here. Compared to
most music in the same vein, its a helluva lot better.

Pat
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From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: RE: Sunday comics
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:12:33 -0700
Message-ID:

Hmmm. We apparently don't get that on here. Anyone want to scan it in
and mail it to me?

_Doug

>----------
>From: Patrick Stewart[SMTP:t70pas1@corn.cso.niu.edu]
>Sent: Monday, June 03, 1996 4:04 PM
>To: the The
>Subject: Sunday comics
>
>Hey. Did anyone out there read the sunday funnies yesterday? The
>strip
>"Dave" made an oblique reference/slam of theThe in a reference to
>albums
>bought, overlistened to, and then kept on file. Look for the next to
>last panel (me-thinks) for a cd-"cover".
>
>Any thoughts, feelings, responses? (in other words-- did I hallucinate
>
>this?)
>
>Patrick
>
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From: fawoods@hti.net
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: shade of blue
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 07:47:29 -0700
Message-ID: <31B6EF81.72E5@hti.net>

Last week, I requested confirmation of the existence of a
BLUE VINYL "shades of BLue" 12". I have yet to receive this
confirmation. I would like to put the question out there again just in
case anyone who could answer the question missed or forgot about it.
This will be my last posting on the matter.
If I do not receive any confirmation this time, I will be
satisfied in concluding that it does not actually exist (as I originally
thought.) If you know of or have it on BLUE VIYNL, please tell me any
information you can on it (promo, catalogue no., ect.). I did recieve
some correspondence concerning this matter; however, they seemed to
verify the existence of "Shades of Blue" and not "Shades of Blue" on BLUE
VINYL.

Thanks,
KJ
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Interview with Matt
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:21:48 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:


Is there anybody still alive out there?


Well here is a transcript of the interview with Matt that I got
off of MuchMusic. Hope all of you people (Luster) enjoy it.

The interview was aired some time ago, and yes I left out some of
the irrelevant points to save my sanity. ENJOY!

The interview took place at the Horseshoe tavern in Toronto.

IV (interviewer): So what do you think the fascination was with the Hank
Williams songs?

MJ: It's as much a fascination with him as a cultural icon as it is with
the songs. The songs are obviously great songs - they're very durable -
for people to be covering his songs 40 odd years after his death proves
their durability and their power. But he died young before it was
fashionable to die young - before the likes of James Dean and Jim Morrison
and Jimmi Hendrix and whatever. He predated Elvis somewhat ... there
was a whole sexual aura that was around him (apparently from the people
that saw him). One thing about his stuff is obviously that he deals with
simple human truths. That's why his songs are still listened to after his
death. They touch a lot of people and certainly his stuff obviously
touched me and I guess the area of song writing that I'm in (kinda
confessional song writing) that's the nearest ... the closest I get.

IV: The video - "I Saw the Light"
MJ: Did you see the video?
IV: Did I ever - I always get vertigo watching it. How on earth did you
do that?
MJ: Well I was on mild sedatives and I was plunked on to the um...
IV: gargoyle ... or whatever it is -
MJ: The gargoyles and its 600 foot below - I don't really get vertigo very
much do you get vertigo?
IV: As I said... literally. I felt myself completely ill at ease watching
it.
MJ: Well it was pretty unsettling standing on the thing. The director,
Sam Buyer [?] was holding on to the camera and someone was hanging on to
him and he was with a pilot. There was only about 5 on them that had a
license that enables them to fly so close to buildings and this guy was
circling around - It was certainly pretty intense!

- ------ skot's statement: Sorry, in my last message I said that the height
scared the piss out of Matt. I was wrong. I must have remembered the
interviewer's words instead of Matt's. Oh well back to the interview -----

IV: So actually last time we spoke you told me then (this was about 2
years ago) that you were working on [Hanky Panky]. It's taken 2 years to
finish it?
MJ: We've been working on it for about 4 years on and off. Coz it's like
a side project really and I'm working on a Robert Johnson one as well, but
that's something I have on the back burner that I go to every few months I
get some time off.
IV: Both those artists are really building blocks for essentially all
modern day music.
MJ: They are, that's why I decided to do those two because if you trace
back the roots of contemporary singer/songwriters in rock music you see
that Hank Williams influenced people from Chuck Barry to Neil Young to
Bob Dylan; the same came from Robert Johnson - the Rolling Stones, Led
Zeppelin and whatever.

- ---at this point they show a video clip and the interview is essentially
over.-----

Well there you go.

Cheers,
skot

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.

-King Missile



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From: DJH
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Matt on Much
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 01:06:38 -0400
Message-ID: <31C0F35E.7EA8@ipgnet.com>

I went to lift the "Infected" movie off the much music shelves for
dubbing and could not get access to it because it is in a locked
cabinent with amillion stickers saying "Do Not Air." This probably
explains why you don't see the older videos get any airtime, not that
they would be in normal rotation anyway. Apparantly the content is too
angst ridden for them.

djh
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Matt on Much
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:12:36
Message-Id: <199606142108.RAA27402@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>



> On the subject of videos, does anyone out there know where I can
>get all of Matt's music videos (including the "adult oriented" ones). I
>have the Infected tape, but I'd like the older and newer material as well.

me too! Dave, is it time for another compilation? I've got some of them and a
couple of hifi vcr's.

JaY

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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Matt on Much
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:12:36
Message-Id: <199606142108.RAA27402@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>



> On the subject of videos, does anyone out there know where I can
>get all of Matt's music videos (including the "adult oriented" ones). I
>have the Infected tape, but I'd like the older and newer material as well.

me too! Dave, is it time for another compilation? I've got some of them and a
couple of hifi vcr's.

JaY

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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Matt on Much
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:05:35 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:


On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, DJH wrote:

>
> I went to lift the "Infected" movie off the much music shelves for
> dubbing and could not get access to it because it is in a locked
> cabinent with amillion stickers saying "Do Not Air." This probably
> explains why you don't see the older videos get any airtime, not that
> they would be in normal rotation anyway. Apparantly the content is too
> angst ridden for them.
>
> djh
>
So this explains why I don't see too much the The on MuchMusic.
They did, however have a spotlight on them a while ago -- 1/2 hour of just
the The videos and MJ interviews. I know they played at least one video
off the Infected VHS tape!

On the subject of videos, does anyone out there know where I can
get all of Matt's music videos (including the "adult oriented" ones). I
have the Infected tape, but I'd like the older and newer material as well.

OK here is my feeble attempt to start a discussion:

What is your favourite the The video? Personally I'm a big fan of
Infected. I love the religious (anti-religious?) theme behind it. The
best scene in the whole video is when Matt watches the burning bonfire
that he is supposedly in. The whole apparent comparison between love and
religion really thrilled me!

Well that's enough from me, hope that gets something started.

Cheers,
skot

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.

-King Missile

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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Matt on Much
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:05:35 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:


On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, DJH wrote:

>
> I went to lift the "Infected" movie off the much music shelves for
> dubbing and could not get access to it because it is in a locked
> cabinent with amillion stickers saying "Do Not Air." This probably
> explains why you don't see the older videos get any airtime, not that
> they would be in normal rotation anyway. Apparantly the content is too
> angst ridden for them.
>
> djh
>
So this explains why I don't see too much the The on MuchMusic.
They did, however have a spotlight on them a while ago -- 1/2 hour of just
the The videos and MJ interviews. I know they played at least one video
off the Infected VHS tape!

On the subject of videos, does anyone out there know where I can
get all of Matt's music videos (including the "adult oriented" ones). I
have the Infected tape, but I'd like the older and newer material as well.

OK here is my feeble attempt to start a discussion:

What is your favourite the The video? Personally I'm a big fan of
Infected. I love the religious (anti-religious?) theme behind it. The
best scene in the whole video is when Matt watches the burning bonfire
that he is supposedly in. The whole apparent comparison between love and
religion really thrilled me!

Well that's enough from me, hope that gets something started.

Cheers,
skot

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.

-King Missile

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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: videos
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:

my personal favorite is the "twilight of a champion" video. with matt
and a handgun, and strange hand held camera shots. next would be angels
of deception, because it is the closest i have seen to andy dog animation.

besides the infected video, the dusk to dawn tape has a few videos on it,
including the dogs of lust remix with the naked woman running around.

- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Daddy Daddy, it was just like you said
Now that the living outnumber the dead.
Where I come from it's a long thin thread
Across an ocean. Down a river of red.
Now that the living outnumber the dead.
I'm one of many.
---laurie anderson
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: videos
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:

my personal favorite is the "twilight of a champion" video. with matt
and a handgun, and strange hand held camera shots. next would be angels
of deception, because it is the closest i have seen to andy dog animation.

besides the infected video, the dusk to dawn tape has a few videos on it,
including the dogs of lust remix with the naked woman running around.

- ---------------------------------------------------------------
Daddy Daddy, it was just like you said
Now that the living outnumber the dead.
Where I come from it's a long thin thread
Across an ocean. Down a river of red.
Now that the living outnumber the dead.
I'm one of many.
---laurie anderson
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 01:37:35
Message-Id: <199606170533.BAA26489@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>


>and to JaY and Dave, I sure hope you guys can find it in your hearts to do
> another compilation... ifyou guys do, I'm willing to go with JaY and try
> my damndest to get Dave thanked on the liner notesof Matt's next album...

Dave will probably reply next week...best not hold your breath. I am willing
to do whatever...let's hear suggestions?

JaY

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From: DJH
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: videos
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 03:15:53 -0400
Message-ID: <31C3B4A9.7A84@ipgnet.com>

Everybody wants dubs !!
Yes there is a video for Kingdom of Rain with a glow in the dark fish
tank and acouple of seahorses if I remember correctly. I moving within
the next two weeks so
i'll see what i can do about creating a compilation tape to dub for you
and post it when i'm good to go, so hold on to your (sea)horses.
Interviews are much harder to find because they don't always keep the
raw.

djh
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:30:47 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:


On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, DJH wrote:

>
> Everybody wants dubs !!
> Yes there is a video for Kingdom of Rain with a glow in the dark fish
> tank and acouple of seahorses if I remember correctly. I moving within
> the next two weeks so
> i'll see what i can do about creating a compilation tape to dub for you
> and post it when i'm good to go, so hold on to your (sea)horses.
> Interviews are much harder to find because they don't always keep the
> raw.
>
> djh

If it helps with any of the compilations (dubs etc...) I have a
copy of the interview (that I transcribed a few days ago) and one
spotlight I can add if people want it. I can dub tapes as well, however
the quality is not all that great! Hope this thingey works. 'Till then -

Cheers
skot :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.

-King Missile
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From: "Sean Kennedy"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:47:48 +1200
Message-ID: <5742F034DB@trimble.co.nz>

> Everybody wants dubs !!

I don't suppose anyone could dub to PAL-VHS ??

Down here in the antipodes we don't get Much, so we miss out on
interviews etc. I have "Infected", "vs the World" and "Dusk 'til
Dawn", but apart from a guest spot by Matt on Radio with Pictures
about 7 years ago we only get a very rare showing of "Slow train 'til
dawn" on the local Music station.

Anything more recent would be greatly appreciated!!

I do remember back when Infected was released RadPix did show quite a
few of the videos, but since then limited themselves to showing "Slow
train" on a show about sad songs and angst!

Cheers,

Sean
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From: ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca (Superfly TNT)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:05:09 MDT
Message-Id: <9606142305.AA16112@enme-b>

The videos I've seen are This is the Day (with Matt sporting a big, curly, goofy do... yes, he did once have hair and if I ever started to lose my hair, I would do what he did and shave all of it off!), Infected, Slow Train to Dawn, Kingdom of Rain, Dogs of Lust, Love is Stronger than Death, Slow Emotion Replay and I Saw the Light... I get the feeling I've also seen the video for Gravitate to Me but I'm not sure if I'm just imagining this or the video was just not all that memorable... was there a video for that song?... and did the video just showed them playing the song in a darkened room a la Dogs of Lust?... I also have a feeling I've seen the video for Out of the Blue (Into the Fire)... maybe one of you guys can confirm this but did it show Matt with a prostitute?... sorry about my memory but I saw these videos long ago... and yes, they were all on MuchMusic... I Saw the Light is probably my favorite and the cheeziest has to go to Kingdom of Rain... as I recall, Matt was lying on a bed for the whole vid
eo and Sinead's parts were sung by these floating apparitions...

and to JaY and Dave, I sure hope you guys can find it in your hearts to do another compilation... if you guys do, I'm willing to go with JaY and try my damndest to get Dave thanked on the liner notes of Matt's next album...

Yan
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From: Peter Caira
To: The The list
Subject: Re: videos
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:


Hmmm...I've only seen two theTHE videos - Slow Emotion Replay and I Saw
the Light. I guess I just don't watch muchmusic enough if other people
are talking about seeing spotlights and stuff....I did, however see the
segment on theTHE they did on the Newmusic show a while ago...pretty cool.

Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira

Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: "John Higgs"
To: "The The"
Subject: Videos
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:31:32 +0100
Message-Id: <199606142325.XAA12212@netcom.co.uk>

As a The The fan for far too long, there is a frighteningly large number
of The The videos I have never seen. Okay, so I have the wondeful
Infected, but were any films made for Soul Mining? Or even before?

Post Infected, I have a copy of the That Was The Day vid, which is fairly
toss, and have seen I Saw The Light on Beavis and Butthead in America
(superb!). I remember The Beat(en) Generation from the Chart Show, which
did look great, but what of Gravitate To Me and Armageddon Days? Somebody
once told me that they saw a video of Kingdom of Rain on MTV, shot in a
flat that included a fishtank. Can anybody confirm that this exists?

The Dusk videos are on From Dusk To Dawn - great title for a movie that
features Danny the Wonderpony - but in a horrible cut up way, and often to
Foetus remixes. My guess is that, when the 'best of' albums are released
next year, all these obscure videos will be released on one tape.

So I reckon we have to wait until then. Assuming, that is, that Matt will
get of his arse and finish another album.

I wait with baited breathe,

- --
John Higgs
j.higgs@netcom.co.uk
- --
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From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Videos
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:46:20 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:


Hello everyone!

First of all, let me tell you that I'm highly, highly interested in a video
compilation.

It feels like centuries since I've seen a theThe video on TV. I remember
slightly the "Gravitate to me video" (was it the one where Matt was taking
deep breaths from an oxygen mask???). All I remember from "Kingdom of Rain"
was Matt, lying on a bed with an angel flying around and singing Sinead's
parts of the song (or was it really Sinead as the angel?).

The only video I saw from Soul Mining was "This is the day". Was there
any video made for "Perfect" or for any other song of that album?

Hope to see some videos from Dusk someday. And please, you guys that have
access to a Muchmusic schedule, make an announcement of a theThe
spotlight on the list!

Thanks!

Marie

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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (conversing discreetly)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Gravitate to me
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:16:38 +0100
Message-Id: <96061712163783@mozart.which.co.uk>

RE: Gravitate to Me video

It definately exists, and is pretty damn good. Having said that I can't
remember an awful lot about it - Johnny Marr is in it quite a bit and obviously
Matt makes an appearance, and the eye that's on the cover of the single in
quite prominant now and again. One of my friends had a copy on a promo video so
that's the only chance I got to see it.

Jake.
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From: tpoltora@mobility.com (Poltoranos, Ted)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu (Infected)
Subject: FW: videos
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:07:59 -0400
Message-Id: <1996Jun17.150500.1540.90257@mailgate02.mobility.com>


Sounds like a great plan ... I would be exceptionally interested in seeing
any and all Matt videos that you could get your hands on ... legally,
morally or otherwise. I tend not to watch a lot of Much (I don't think I
fit their target audience), so the only Matt I see is the "Infected" movie
and the "the The vs. the world" video (which I own) and the (way to
infrequent) Spotlights.

If there's anything I could do to help (words of encouragement ... constant
badgering ... reasonable cash donations ... assistance - I live in T.O.),
please let me know.

Until then, I will remain "just another western guy, with desires that I
can't satisfy".


Ted
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Everybody wants dubs !!
Yes there is a video for Kingdom of Rain with a glow in the dark fish
tank and acouple of seahorses if I remember correctly. I moving within
the next two weeks so
i'll see what i can do about creating a compilation tape to dub for you
and post it when i'm good to go, so hold on to your (sea)horses.
Interviews are much harder to find because they don't always keep the
raw.

djh
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From: "John Higgs"
To: "The The"
Subject: Kingdom of Rain vid
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:40:12 +0100
Message-Id: <199606172138.VAA03263@netcom.co.uk>

Great to hear that a Kingdom Of Rain video does exist, and it is nice to
have proof that Matt understands the aesthetic values of seahorses. But
this does lead to the question, why was it made? There are three
possibilities:

1) Kingdom Of Rain was released as a single in some obscure (i.e. non UK)
land, such as Iceland, Kuwait, Translyvania or America. If this was the
case, then was there anything good on the B-side? Or was it the usual
collection of The The Vs The World live tacks, bits of Soul Mining and
remixes of minimal artistic quality.

2) Originally Mind Bomb was to have a full length Infected-style video
but, for whatever reason, this never happened. So if Kingdom Of Rain was
shot, then was anything else?

3) Was it earmarked as a single that never happened due to appalling sales
of Armageddon Days? Was Sinead in the video?

Any wise people out there who can shed light on this?

Cheers,

John.
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From: nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: jeez, it's been so dead lately...
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 15:40:20 cst
Message-Id: <9605198352.AA835224021@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us>

anyone care to summarize changes on the WWW pages for the the? I
don't have much access so anything new is usually old before I see it.

thanks in advance,

nate
nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
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From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Anybody use the IRC ??
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:00:39 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199606201200.NAA14183@chad2-21.liv.ac.uk>

Is there anybody on the list who uses IRC and if so, what nick do they
use, what servers ?

It would be cool, to talk to fellow Matt fans, in real time.

My nick is Smythe.

Anyway must fly cya.
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: shameless non the the plug
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:33:22 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:

i just bought two great new albums, the new beck and the new lyle lovett.
go buy them, they are brilliant.

- ---------------------------------------------------------------
not directed at me--
"You know what, I don't think I really want to be your friend. Maybe you
should bother to consider your words and actions more carefully. I have
considered them and come to the conclusion that you lack the ability to
appreciate me and respect me (people in general?) as a friend and that
our 'friendship' leaves me feeling undervalued and as though I've wasted
my time. I don't want to waste any more of it."
--anonymous
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl)
To: uk-indie@MIT.EDU
To: 4AD-l@AMERICAN.EDU
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
To: cranes@busop.cit.wayne.edu
Subject: search for shriekback, related but not listy
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:18:38 -0700
Message-Id: <199606270118.SAA09580@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>

I'm seeking high and low for Shriekback's 1984 release "Jam Science".

Anyone willing to part with their copy or know where I can get copy?

I will be eternally grateful and willing to part with cash, I don't
have much to trade some theThe stuff, maybe some cranes, breeders
singles. I might have some other things, I'll have to look through the
collection.

euthelene, who's looking, still looking
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From: P.Love@student.anu.edu.au (PBLove)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: lack of activity...
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:30:23 +1000
Message-Id:

seeing as there's no action around the town these days I'm gonna run around
with my pants down and bang my drum real loud. No more theThe records to
take away my insanity; no more Matt Johnson lyrics to eat away of my facade
of self-worth and confidence; ultimately, mo more soul mining...

in case anyone's interested my thoughts on theThe don't extend very far - I
like to listen to the songs, think and experience the words, and wonder
when and if the man himself is ever gonna release some new music for me to
consume. There is however a trick that I perform upon myself when I listen
to some of his music, namely I pretend I'm in a pitch black cavern
undergound, perhaps at its centre there's a lighted candle on the cold
stone floor, and all I can hear and feel are Matt's voice, the music
reverberating with my soul, my mind unable to wander. I say that perhaps
there's a candle because for some songs I don't want one but for others I
do. I might also require the presence of someone to caress and to touch
and to consume as well, but hey that's extra.

after this writing to the world at large I make a note of how much I create
wierd worlds within my mind, and wonder whether anyone will write a
response to me. I do this in the hope that when I log on I will have email
- - seeing as that's one of the reasons to subscribe to a group.

and for want of a better farewell,

alas poor yoric I knew him horatio....

peter bambang

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From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Matt look-a-like
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:57:08 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:

Does anyone know who I'm talking about? There's this one guy that bares a
close resemblance to M.J. He's a movie actor who always plays the bad guy
role. He's been around for awhile. If you saw Jack Reed on T.V. monday
night then you hopefully know who I'm talking about. He was the
strip-club owner/bad ass biker/loving family man/murderer. He's been in
loads of movies, please someone tell me that I'm not the only person who
notices this similarity. Ryan
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From: "Ian"
To: "infected"
Subject: Re: Matt look-a-like
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:04:55 -0400
Message-Id: <199606291803.OAA03938@anshar.shadow.net>

Hey,
What about the singer from The Fine Young Cannibals. With the obvious
exception...Matt does'nt chew rocks. I understand he was quite common on
the British television scene.
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> From: Ryan E Wick
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Matt look-a-like
> Date: Friday, June 28, 1996 11:57 PM
>
> Does anyone know who I'm talking about? There's this one guy that bares
a
> close resemblance to M.J. He's a movie actor who always plays the bad
guy
> role. He's been around for awhile. If you saw Jack Reed on T.V. monday
> night then you hopefully know who I'm talking about. He was the
> strip-club owner/bad ass biker/loving family man/murderer. He's been in
> loads of movies, please someone tell me that I'm not the only person who

> notices this similarity. Ryan
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