march 95
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From: Oliver Wendell Jones
To: Julian Stewart
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Advertising on this List
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:10:57 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Julian Stewart wrote:
>
> A couple of days ago, I sent a post to the list, advertising a
> copy of "Hanky Panky" I had for sale.
>
> My post drew an immediate response, though not of the kind I had
> imagined. I received three rather inappropriate flames attacking me for
> my use of this list for commercial purposes.
Personally, I don't see what anybody's problem with this was. I don't
want to see Camelot Music dumping adds for all the latest records on
here, but if you've got a The The disc you want to sell, please go ahead
and post it. But next time someone wants to sell an extra copy of Hanky
Panky for $9, wait til I have some money, okay?
-Oliver...
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Oliver Wendell Jones Art is a fish in a bathtub.
owenj@io.com Surrealist art is a motorcycle in a bathtub.
Postmodern art is a trapeze in a bathtub.
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: censorship
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 18:39:26 CST
Message-Id: <9503020039.AA11778@cs.uchicago.edu>
hi everyone..
this is not directly the The related.
i have a copy of a petition against internet
censorship. the petition will be sent to the
senate and to some other government big shots.
if anyone would like a copy, please let me
know and i'll mail it to you.
or i could post it to the list if noone objects.
later & take care..
behfar
"..and they send in the special police,
to deliver us from liberty and keep us from peace.." -you know who
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From: KieraB@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Re: Hanky Panky for Sale
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:42:52 -0500
Message-Id: <950302004251_36746485@aol.com>
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Forwarded message:
From: camus@netcom.com (Julian Stewart)
To: KieraB@aol.com
Date: 95-02-28 01:01:51 EST
> Surely as you know how to access the internet, you are able to go and sell
> your Hanky Panky at a local used record and CD store.
Drop your self-righteous attitude and get a life, pal.
> If you dont like the album, do what you have to do, but don't try to pawn
it off here. Who pissed in your cornflakes?
Creeps like you "piss in my cornflakes." The Internet would be a better place
without idiots like yourself.
I happen to have two copies of the album, and figured someone would like
one at a cheaper price, considering the amounts of complaintsabout the high
prices on the CD.
have a nice fuckin' day,
julian
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From: KieraB@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Re: Advertising on this List
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 01:38:08 -0500
Message-Id: <950302013807_36786402@aol.com>
I have declared a truce with Julian........We had a misunderstanding. It is
over now. Thanks, sorry for any interruptions.
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Forwarded message:
Subj: Re: Advertising on this List
Date: 95-03-02 01:33:00 EST
From: KieraB
To: camus@netcom.com
Truce
KieraB
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From: MMOYNIER@midd.middlebury.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Mine Sluts?
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 18:35:54 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <950302183554.55f76@midd.middlebury.edu>
I sent a message a couple of days ago, but nothing
appeared on the list so I assume that no one else got it. In that
case I will repeat what I said.
I was listening to Rock Over London with Paul Sexton
Monday night and between a two song feature of Hanky Panky, there
was an interview with Matt Johnson. In it he discussed living in
New York, blah, blah, plans for a Robert Johnson tribute as well
as a possible "the The Sings the Beatles". It was also mentioned
that the recording of Mine Sluts (yes, that's what he's going to
call it supposedly) was to have started this week and be out by
the end of 1995. Overall it was a good interview.
I hope that some of you found the material as
enlightening as it was for me. Till then....
Mark
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From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Mine Sluts?
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:19:21 -0500
Message-Id: <9503031819.AA15727@buclaa.bu.edu>
It's not unusual for Matt to change his mind on album titles. Remember he
originally listed the Hank Williams project in the liner notes to _Dusk_
as _the The Play Hank_ (and I believe it was listed as an EP). So, I
wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind about the title.
Now, while I'm excited about a Robert Johnson album, I'm not so sure about
the idea of a Beatles project. I mean, I love the Beatles, but it just
seems like it's all been done before with their stuff. Then again, this is
Matt Johnson doing the Beatles which will certainly be different.
Perhaps we can convince him to release _Pornography of Despair_ and the
Marble Index cassette on one CD?
Rich
Boston Univ.
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From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: NON-the The post:Smiths
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:53:43 -0500
Message-Id: <9503031853.AA16117@buclaa.bu.edu>
For those who were also on the Smiths list, apparently the list kind
of blew up but has since been fixed. However, you need to resubscribe.
Mail to:
Majordomo@ptsg.eecs.berkeley.edu
in the body: subscribe bigmouth
Sorry about the non-the The content, but I know there are quite a few
members of this list that were on that one also.
Rich
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Maraluna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:41:59 CST
Message-Id: <9503031941.AA27247@tartarus.uchicago.edu>
From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: infected digest..
Har de har.....I got mine for 12 bucks!
But then, nothing the The is a ripoff for me! (I once paid $70 for 3
Japanese import the The CD's cause they had more extra songs)
I already love this list - the postings are so much better than the folder on
AOL. The people on that list (which includes Matt's manager and sometimes
even Matt himself) are really cool, but often you have to wade through a lot
of bs - collecting info, etc etc. Maybe that's just the nature of AOL.
Anyway, the email address on Hanky Panky is correct - it's
THETHEXXX@aol.com. Matt was online on the 17th and he used that address - it
gets read by the management on a regular basis.
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Maraluna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 13:43:20 CST
Message-Id: <9503031943.AA27268@tartarus.uchicago.edu>
From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: POD, etc.
> On to Pornography of Despair (and being new here, means that it was likely
>discussed before). All of the sudden Matt (or Mr. Johnson) claims that this
>was released. What! In collecting the group over many years and getting to
>know some fans along the way, this release was never mentioned.
POD does exist but it was in extremely limited release (like 100 or 1000
copies or something like that) so it is virtually impossible to find.
However, the songs on it can be assembled from various other b-sides (or so
I've heard).
About "Flesh & Bones" - I had this song on a 12 inch for Kingdom of Rain
(actually the record said "the the vs. the world) - it had two versions of
KOR, plus F&B and another song which I liked a lot but the name escapes me.
I REALLY loved that song, but unfortunately the record got lost/was stolen,
and my roomate who moved to New Mexico had my only tape of it.
"Cause the devil had borrowed my clothes
just for tonight......."
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From: fl12@cornell.edu (fernando)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Maraluna@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:23:15 -0500
Message-Id:
>From: Maraluna@aol.com
>To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
>Subject: Re: POD, etc.
>
>> On to Pornography of Despair (and being new here, means that it was likely
>>discussed before). All of the sudden Matt (or Mr. Johnson) claims that this
>>was released. What! In collecting the group over many years and getting to
>>know some fans along the way, this release was never mentioned.
>
>POD does exist but it was in extremely limited release (like 100 or 1000
>copies or something like that) so it is virtually impossible to find.
> However, the songs on it can be assembled from various other b-sides (or so
>I've heard).
Well, there is a big difference between 100 and 1000. At any rate,
in collector magazines and the like, one does hear about releases being
about 100, especially from someone like Matt Johnson. It has been said
that parts of the album has made it into b-sides of singles, most notably
the double 7in of This is the Day. I would speculate that it made it into
the hands of Matt's friends, 'cause otherwise, it would have been booted
quite heavily.
later,
fernando
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Ma...
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:53:05 -0500
Message-Id: <950303155238_38337657@aol.com>
flesh and bones is fun because it sort of gives a link between soul mining
and infected, two albums that sound not at all alike. flesh and bones sounds
like both albums put together.
it seems regarding porno of despair that all the songs have been released
except one, absolute liberation 2.
this would include different versions of perfect and uncertain smile.
hello ben, how is non aol life?
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From: Boon Sheridan
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Seventeen?
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 20:11:21 +0001 (EST)
Message-Id:
It's actually really strange where interviews or blurbs about Matt and
the The have shown up. I distinctly remember a cutout of Matt in his
'Jeans & T-Shirt' look from Mind Bomb (that look from "The Beaten
Generation" video) as a fashion blurb in some women's magazine about the
comeback of the jeans/t-shirt movement. That and some blurb about his
writing "August & September" quite odd...
Even better - one of the local TV stations (WCVB 5 in Boston) used "Infected"
for a few AIDS promos a few years back, AND I swear I've heard the intro
for that song as TBS was going out of a Braves game - I also have heard
Peter Murphy, New Order and a few other goodies - who's in that booth at TBS?
- Boon
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Seventeen?
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:59:30 -0500
Message-Id: <950304195930_39410616@aol.com>
>> While bored at the library, I scanned the computer to find magazines in
which the The was mentioned. Needless to say. this is very frustrating,
because the computer doesn't recognize "The" as a word to search for, much
less, "the The".>>
I had this same problem. I used to try to search the Wilsondisc at my
college library, which is a periodical guide, for the The and the computer
would give me the equivelant of "Huh?" I had the same problem when I was
trying to find the The on the Internet. I wonder if Matt knows about this -
he'd probably think it was ironically funny.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Seventeen?
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 06:27:41 -0500
Message-Id: <950311062741_46096859@aol.com>
>> While bored at the library, I scanned the computer to find magazines in
which the The was mentioned. Needless to say. this is very frustrating,
because the computer doesn't recognize "The" as a word to search for, much
less, "the The".>>
I had this same problem. I used to try to search the Wilsondisc at my
college library, which is a periodical guide, for the The and the computer
would give me the equivelant of "Huh?" I had the same problem when I was
trying to find the The on the Internet. I wonder if Matt knows about this -
he'd probably think it was ironically funny.
.
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From: Palmer Peterson
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Seventeen?
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:14:13 -0500
Message-Id: <9503042214.AA03386@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
While bored at the library, I scanned the computer to find magazines in which
the The was mentioned. Needless to say. this is very frustrating, because the
computer doesn't recognize "The" as a word to search for, much less, "the The".
At any rate, I had the computer search for Matt Johnson. And I found
something surprising (and i thought humorous). There's an article on Matt
Johnson and the The (when Mind Bomb came out) in Seventeen! Who knew? It
wasn't a bad article. I didn't know that at the time. That kind of threw me
for a loop. But, as you know, a the The mention is a cool mention.
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"Weiland....What a genius (Insert heavy sarcasm"- Norman Timberwolf
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Seventeen?
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 95 17:43:29 CST
Message-Id: <9503042343.AA23503@cs.uchicago.edu>
Palmer Peterson writes:
> While bored at the library, I scanned the computer to find magazines
> in which the The was mentioned. Needless to say. this is very
> frustrating, because the computer doesn't recognize "The" as a word
> to search for, much less, "the The". At any rate, I had the
> computer search for Matt Johnson. And I found something surprising
> (and i thought humorous). There's an article on Matt Johnson and
> the The (when Mind Bomb came out) in Seventeen! Who knew? It
> wasn't a bad article. I didn't know that at the time. That kind of
> threw me for a loop. But, as you know, a the The mention is a cool
> mention.
didn't mind bomb have an "exp. lyrics, parental advisory"
label on it? (i think it did when i bought it first on
cassette).. so i guess "seventeen" would be good place
to put an article about mind bomb!
jest a thawed thought..
behfar
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From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Web page
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 11:26:49 -0500
Message-Id: <9503071626.AA14889@buclaa.bu.edu>
For those who want to check it out, there's a the The web page at the
following address:
http://www.wpi.edu/~thethe/thethe/thethe.html
I've already emailed the author and told him about this address.
It's pretty cool. Check it out.
Has anyone else received anything further from the AOL address? So far
I've only received the initial response about sending them my mailing
address for a printed newsletter. Has there been anything since then?
Rich
Boston Univ.
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: hanky panky review..
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 18:16:54 CST
Message-Id: <9503080016.AA25444@tartarus.uchicago.edu>
hello everyone..
i found this review on consumable (the e-zine someone advertised
here)..
i don't particularly like it (the review)..
anyone care to comment?
later,
behfar
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REVIEW: The The, _Hanky Panky_ (550 Music)
- Tim Kennedy
Matt Johnson of The The has carved his niche in the world of
contemporary music by doing repetitive, hypnotic lush rythmic soundscapes
and crooning in his Morrisonian way (or is that Lindsey Buckingham?) over
the top. He has decided to make a tribute to an early influence, Hank
Williams, the bloke who was copying the blues from black artists years before
Elvis and his chums copied their music from black blues artists. In fact
if you really want to hear great rock music of that era, Sonny Boy Williamson,
Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson or many other bluesmen of the 20s-40s
can give a far better account of their art than Hank did. Nevertheless he's
not so bad, as country and western music was a joke before he came along;
idiots in cowboy outfits running through maudlin ditties about four legged
friends. Hank Williams gave country music a soul by imparting what he'd
learned of the blues to it.
Williams' tunes are significantly edited on _Hanky Panky_ in order
for Matt's limited vocal range to be able to cope. The emphasis is thus
laid on the lyrics.
Some of the bluesier covers are among the better tracks of the album.
"Honky Tonkin'" has a fine blues riff right through, which saves the song
despite its other drawbacks. "Weary Blues From Waitin'" shows that Matt is
not incapable of giving some emotion to a vocal performance and displays a
Robert Johnsonesque solo acoustic acompaniment. "Your Cheatin' Heart" has a
blues motif which again rescues an otherwise drab treatment of the standard.
On the other hand, DC Collard's wheezy church organ puts in several
annoying appearances. "Six More Miles", only a short piece, has just this
as backing and "If You'll Be A Baby To Me" and "I Can't Escape From You" use
it too. All these songs are marked by a curiously detached lounge lizard
vocal performance. Why Matt feels these downhome songs need a Bryan Ferry
delivery is anyone's guess. Another disconcerting feature of this group of
tracks is the odd backing singing which is akin to a schoolchild singing
along in harmony, set far back in the mix.
Other of the songs here more than redeem the Hank project. "I'm A
Long Gone Daddy" is a menacing rock song and this time Matt's voice gives
vent to the ferocity implicit within the words, which are a denial of love.
Also sinister is "I Saw The Light" which recalls "I Found Out" from
John Lennon's _Plastic Ono Band_ album. This is a fine version and the
production on the vocal intensifies the mood. The close of the song has
echoes of late sixties garage psychedelia. The Phil Spector production on
that 1970 Lennon album is mirrored in the echoey, often slightly distorted
vocal on much of _Hanky Panky_.
Possibly the best song on the album is "I Can't Get You Off My Mind",
which has a varied structure and lush sad instrumentation complete with a full
band backing Matt's almost moving singing.
Too often though his singing is oddly uncommitted and the stripped-
down backing serves merely to underline the incongruity of the voice
and the rustic lyrical content. The way Johnson delivers "A Tear In My
Beer" is so sober as to almost render it satire. "If You'll Be A Baby To
Me" has a similar quality about it. If Johnson hadn't announced his
devotion to Hank so loudly you might begin to wonder about his intentions.
To the neutral ear this is a reasonable modern blues/rock album
with some echoes of Lennon in it. While the languid style of some of the
singing lays a possible charge of dilettantism at Matt's door, there are
enough songs here rendered with true feeling to make this a good record.
The Ferryesque style of some of the singing and the church organ may not be
to some people's taste, but it is a worthy effort overall.
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From: COOPS
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: hanky panky review..
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 02:27:10 EST
Message-Id: <0098D084.94B6EE05.19@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu>
Hey all,
My two cents on the review: Tim Kennedy has turned his interest in music into some kind of science, and in doing so, lost the fun of music. He can over
analyze and name drop from history all he wants. I don't think anyone is
really impressed with it. Anyway, I think it's pretty pathetic he has to
[Dwhat a smartass he is. I don't love every song on the album either but
it's a rock album not a philosophical thesis.
Thank you and God bless The United States of America, or whatever the
politicians are saying these days.
later
- -dave
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: hanky panky review..
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:58:39 -0500
Message-Id: <950307225701_42678628@aol.com>
my comments on the review......
1. before announcing that the tracks are "edited," it might be helpful to
listen to the originals. 6 more miles is the only track that matt johnson
has shortened; most of the tracks have actually been extended.
2. only someone who knows nothing about music could make those comments
about ripping off from artists; what made an artist like elvis unique was
his ability to blend county, gospel and blues. it is stupid and uninformed
to say that success came from stealing.
3. hank williams made no attempt to play rock and roll, which might be why
several of his most famous songs (i'm so lonesome i could cry, for example),
were not hits when they were released. by all means, if you want rock and
roll, don't turn to hank williams.
4. "Hank Williams gave country music a soul by imparting what he'd
learned of the blues to it. " this is true, and again this is not ripping
off. blues did not have what country had, and country did not have what the
blues had. only through the merging of the two can come something unique.
5. "stripped-down backing serves merely to underline the incongruity of the
voice and the rustic lyrical content." a silly line, and it might be
important to note that several of these songs were demos released after
hank's death, and have only an acoustic guitar as their backing.
those are my complaints.
to hell with it. it's a great album.
and that ian curtis gentleman was right. and so was fernando. but i
disagree about the musical knowledge. perhaps of crooners of today, but only
a name dropper when it comes to the old folks. or he wouldn't have said that
crap.
by the way, if you want the originals to these songs, either buy them, or
offer me something interesting to trade and i'll tape them for you.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: hanky panky review..
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 06:45:03 -0500
Message-Id: <950311064459_46104906@aol.com>
>Matt Johnson of The The has carved his niche in the world of
>contemporary music by doing repetitive, hypnotic lush rythmic soundscapes
Repetitive? What album did he listen to? One of the things I have always
loved about Matt is the originality of his lyrics - many musicians
concentrate more on the music - with Matt the lyrics were intelligent and
fresh in each song, with irresistable melodies....
I wonder if this guy really knows Matt's music at all...sounds more like a
description of the Cocteau Twins or something!
> He has decided to make a tribute to an early influence, Hank
>Williams, the bloke who was copying the blues from black artists years before
>Elvis and his chums copied their music from black blues artists.......blah
>blah blah, general name dropping, "i'm going to prove how cool I am by how
>many old blues legends I can name"
Ummmm.....what has any of this have to do with Hanky Panky? The point here
is to review the record, not offer a treatise on white people who steal black
music and whether you think that Hank Williams was an appopriate choice for a
tribute or not. It doesn't matter - he did it already, so just tell us how
you feel about the record - we don't care what you think about Hank Williams.
>for Matt's limited vocal range to be able to cope.
>shows that Matt is not incapable of giving some emotion to a vocal
>performance
Ok, now I REALLY know this guy hasn't listened to any the The albums. What
the hell is he talking about? I think he has Matt confused with someone
else. One of the other things I love about Matt is the varied textures of
his beautiful voice...from a throaty whisper (like Lung Shadows) or an ironic
aside ("If you think that Jesus Christ is coming, baby you've got another
think coming") to all out singing (Love is stronger than death) sometimes
all in the same song!!!! It always amazed me that someone with such a gifted
songwriting ability would also be born with the perfect voice with which to
express it.
This guy is (pardon my French) totally full of shit.
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Ian Curtis
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:49:44 CST
Message-Id: <9503080149.AA25793@tartarus.uchicago.edu>
note: hey guys, please make sure the "To: " field says
infected@cs.uchicago.edu when you reply to messages
from this list. :)
(i wonder how many massages haven't made it to the
list because of this..)
From: "Ian Curtis"
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: hanky panky review..
The Hanky Panky review seemed like a load of crap! Personally, my
favorite song on the album is "There's a tear in my beer," a song that
this reviewer quickly dismisses as being "too sober." I don't want to
sound racist, but the reviewer was either black, or a big fan of the
early black artists. He completely degrades Hank Williams as a white
man stealing black men's music. Granted, blacks have had a great amount
of influence on music, and I love Robert Johnson, but to grant them a
monopoly on Hank Williams ideas is ludicrous. All musicians have
influences from various artists, and if Williams had some early R and B
influence, than sobeit, but don't forget to acknowledge that he had a
great deal of talent of his own. Further more, the idiotic statements
that claim that Johnson has a poor vocal range is ridiculous. Johnson
changed the songs to make them his own, not to simply make them fit his
voice.
Well, that's MY two cents on the Hanky review...anyone else?
Joel
jyanovic@osf1.gmu.edu
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from fl12@cornell.edu
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 19:51:46 CST
Message-Id: <9503080151.AA25797@tartarus.uchicago.edu>
note: again, to ensure that your post makes it to the ENTIRE
list, please make sure the "To: " field of your response
says infected@cs.uchicago.edu. :) -behfar
From: fl12@cornell.edu (fernando)
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: hanky panky review..
[regarding a review behfar has forwarded]
>anyone care to comment?
Well. I had some problems with the analogies this reviewer
did to get the point accross.
> Matt Johnson of The The has carved his niche in the world of
>contemporary music by doing repetitive, hypnotic lush rythmic soundscapes
>and crooning in his Morrisonian way (or is that Lindsey Buckingham?) over
>the top.
Hmmm. Isn't this like saying that Frak Sinatra croons in a
Harry Connick Jr. way? I mean, Matt was doing recorded music before
the Smiths got out... However, the Lindsey reference is even worse!
Not getting into the merits of each, but I never associated Matt's singing
and lyrical exposition with that of Morrisey. Closer to Ian Curtis, perhaps,
but even so, Matt is pretty much in his own.
>He has decided to make a tribute to an early influence, Hank
>Williams, the bloke who was copying the blues from black artists years before
>Elvis and his chums copied their music from black blues artists.
And the point being? Elvis did one thing with his copying and
Hank did another.
[snipped some personal-taste remarks about lame country music and
better blues, but that Hank changed that]
> Williams' tunes are significantly edited on _Hanky Panky_ in order
>for Matt's limited vocal range to be able to cope. The emphasis is thus
>laid on the lyrics.
I do not see whether the reviewer implies that this is good or bad,
or is it a comment from the sidelines.
[in regards to some songs...]
> Why Matt feels these downhome songs need a Bryan Ferry delivery is
> anyone's guess.
Morrisey to Lindsey to Brian... what a stretch! It seems that
he is trying to fit to much of his "knowledge" into this review. It could
have been kept simple without so much comparison.
> To the neutral ear this is a reasonable modern blues/rock album
>with some echoes of Lennon in it.
How about Brian, Morrisey and Lindsey? =+)
> While the languid style of some of the
>singing lays a possible charge of dilettantism at Matt's door, there are
>enough songs here rendered with true feeling to make this a good record.
>The Ferryesque style of some of the singing and the church organ may not be
>to some people's taste, but it is a worthy effort overall.
Overall, his taste are for his to defend, but he seem to bring
in so much comparison that the substance of how he felt about the album is
lost. If he has a great working knowledge of music, then great, but no
need to shove it all into one review.
I personally think that Matt made it his own and it works from that
context (having not heard the originals, the only hint of being drawn from
another musical style is the hints of country music in the production).
later,
fernando
- - ----------------------------------------------+
Fernando Lopez-de-Victoria (fl12@cornell.edu) |
15 Yardley Green |
Ithaca, NY 14850-1269 |
607.257.8218 (voice) 257.1838 (fax) |
607.255.2323 (school) |
- - ----------------------------------------------+
- ------- end -------
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From: "B. Quincy Cabell V"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The Web Site HERE
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:02:44 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <199503080302.WAA15573@cartan.WPI.EDU>
Hello
I just got on the list today, and sent info to Behfar
Bastani-Booshehri (behfar@cs.uchicago.edu) last night, so I don't know
if he already posted anything about this, so forgive me if I repeat
anything...
I have just started a The The Web page:
http://www.wpi.edu/~thethe/thethe/thethe.html
It has some stuff so far, it has most of the lyrics, some other info,
most of the album cover GIFs, and links to a few relevant things
sites...
I am still very much interested in:
o Tablature
o Any stories, info, interesting stuff
o Reviews, magazines, books about/describing/etc. The The
o .midi, .mod, .wav, .etc (I have limited space, but I can try and
fit stuff in somehow...)
Basically, I want to make this the best page I can, so anything you
don't see and wish was there, please tell me... Anything you have
would be greatly appreciated... Thanks...
- - Quincy
............................................................................
: Benjamin "Quincy" Cabell V : thethe@wpi.edu :
:..........................................................................:
: bcx : Further Info? : bcx :
:.....: http://www.wpi.edu/~thethe :.....:
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From: darlene
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: hanky review
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 95 09:23:42 EST
Message-Id: <9503081423.AA22418@cs.uchicago.edu>
> Well. I had some problems with the analogies this reviewer
>did to get the point accross.
>> Matt Johnson of The The has carved his niche in the world of
>>contemporary music by doing repetitive, hypnotic lush rythmic soundscapes
>>and crooning in his Morrisonian way (or is that Lindsey Buckingham?) over
>>the top.
> Hmmm. Isn't this like saying that Frak Sinatra croons in a
>Harry Connick Jr. way? I mean, Matt was doing recorded music before
>the Smiths got out... However, the Lindsey reference is even worse!
>Not getting into the merits of each, but I never associated Matt's singing
>and lyrical exposition with that of Morrisey. Closer to Ian Curtis, perhaps,
>but even so, Matt is pretty much in his own.
Isn't the reviewer referring to Jim Morrison of the Doors and not Morrissey of
the Smiths?
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From: Higsby@aol.com
To: LMURER@ucs.indiana.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: hanky review
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:31:54 -0500
Message-Id: <950310183054_45675726@aol.com>
>Isn't the reviewer referring to Jim Morrison of the Doors and not >Morrissey
of
>the Smiths?
I thought he was talking about Morris The Cat!
It is interesting to me that, while I don't know much about Morrison or Lindsa
y Buckingham, I am pretty familiar with both John Lennon and Bryan Ferry/Roxy
Music and I can't figure out what the hell he's talking about.
------------------------------
From: Kisschase@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The items for sale
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:36:07 -0500
Message-Id: <950309113606_44233904@aol.com>
For a list of the The items for sale, e-me at:
Kisschase@aol.com
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From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Marble Index
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 11:11:23 -0500
Message-Id: <9503101611.AA10233@buclaa.bu.edu>
Imus@aol.com wrote:
>What is the Marble Index cassette. Never heard of this one.
Sorry about that. I meant to follow up on that in the original post.
Apparently, back in '78 Matt was in a band called The Marble Index. At
the time, he was working in a recording studio. So naturally he made a
tape (I'm not sure if it was just him or if others were on it). He used
to hand out copies of the cassette at then bands gigs. It was called
"See Without Being Seen" and I highly doubt that there are very many
copies of it available, if any are even still around.
Sorry about mentioning it without explaining what it was.
Rich
Boston Univ.
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marble Index
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 23:57:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503110944.AA227105066@relay1.geis.com>
Hirschdave: I'm not the one originally responsible for the discography; Steve
Hill is, and he's on this mailing list.
By the way, hello to all my old AOL friends. I've been pretty busy lately, but
I'm still around. Take care.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marble Index
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:34:43 -0500
Message-Id: <950310112743_45301065@aol.com>
according to the discography held by our old pal ben adams, this is the track
listing for the marble index tape. i saw it listed in some history of punk
book that said it was for sale at shows, or something like that...
some of that early stuff sounds very, uh, different from any other the the
stuff...
DEMO SEE WITHOUT BEING SEEN
* Matt's demo tape circa 1978/79.
1 Troops
2 Homa's Coma
3 Planetarium
4 Spaceship in My Barn
5 Insect Children
6 My Vymura
7 Windowledge
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From: Denny Winkler
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Tour?
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:03:58 MST
Message-Id: <0098D687.9C1D13A0.912@hg.uleth.ca>
Does anyone know if the The are planning a tour at sometime or another? If
so does anyone know where they plan on going.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"When you hide in your bed,
& look in your head,
you find you've gone deeper Matt Johnson (aka the The)
than you should-
It could be your shallowness
is your strength-"
Denny Winkler
University of Lethbridge
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Tour?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:31:46 -0500
Message-Id: <950316023145_51124448@aol.com>
>"When you hide in your bed,
> & look in your head,
> you find you've gone deeper Matt Johnson (aka the The)
> than you should-
> It could be your shallowness
> is your strength-"
What song is that? It's not familiar to me, and I'm a lyrics nut.
It must be a b-side.
------------------------------
From: marc virata
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: songs -n- stuff
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:59:42 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
For a while, I thought maybe I was unsubscribed to the mailing list.
Great to see mail. I'll make my first post to the list and just throw
out some opinions I have of songs. I only have Infected through
Solitude, so my The_The range is fairly limited.
Favs: "Love Is Stronger...", "Jealous of Youth", "Slow Emotion Replay"
Songs that I wonder about:
"Armageddon Days Are Here (Again)" - Whenever I hear this song I keep
thinking that I've seen this in a Disney Cartoon somwhere, like a weird
offshoot of "Aladdin". Am I the only one who laughs when I hear this
song? I'm picturing Disney cartoon characters dressed up as Arabs singing
the chorus with Matt being the main character. Everyone dancing to the
beat. The lyrics sound Disney-ish to me, from the opening lines to the
end. Was Matt absolutely serious when he wrote this song?
"True Happiness..."/"Lonely Planet" - It always surprises me how these
two songs are on the same album when their themes seem to be on opposite
spectrums.
"The Violence of Truth" - I have a hard time listening to this song. The
lyrics bug me, particularly "what is it that makes us ashamed to be
white? (when we close our ears to the sound of machine gun) and while the
niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide open.." There
are plenty of implications that can be made about what Matt's saying.
Has Matt ever said anything behind the meaning to this song or these lines?
Opinions/responses are appreciated, to me, to the list, or wherever
responses should be sent to.
Marc
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: songs -n- stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 04:36:08 -0500
Message-Id: <950318043607_53237257@aol.com>
>"The Violence of Truth" - I have a hard time listening to this song. The
> lyrics bug me, particularly "what is it that makes us ashamed to be white?
>(when we close our ears to the sound of machine gun) and while the niggers of
>this world are starving with their mouths wide open.." There are plenty of
>implications that can be made about what Matt's saying. Has Matt ever said
>anything behind the meaning to this song or these lines?
Well, this is my interpretation: I think that we become ashamed to be white
when we see horrible things that whites/Europeans have done around the world
and throughout time. And as for the "niggers of the world" part, I think he
is referring to all the people who is oppressed, in the style of such sayings
as "woman is the nigger of the world," or "the Irish are the niggers of
Europe." I'm pretty sure he is using the term in a methaphorical, or at
least ironic sense. The whole verse goes "While the niggers of the world are
starving with their mouths wide open/ What is it that turns the coins we
throw at them / into worthless little tokens" Many indigenous people are
starving and suffering around the world, and while many celebrities and
groups attempt to help them, it is usually either tokenism and ineffectual.
The song "Violence of Truth" as a whole discusses our enslavement to grand
ideas, absolute concepts of good and evil that do not exist, and how we are
subservient to them - "The dangers of obedience and violence of truth". It
actually, for me, refers to a philosophy that I find intruguing - the nature
of truth and absolutism vs. relativism.
Well hope I didn't get too deep for you there!
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: songs -n- stuff
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 14:06:27 CST
Message-Id: <9503182006.AA13797@cs.uchicago.edu>
Maraluna@aol.com writes:
> The song "Violence of Truth" as a whole discusses our enslavement to grand
> ideas, absolute concepts of good and evil that do not exist, and how we are
> subservient to them - "The dangers of obedience and violence of truth". It
> actually, for me, refers to a philosophy that I find intruguing - the nature
> of truth and absolutism vs. relativism.
>
> Well hope I didn't get too deep for you there!
no, i loved reading that.. please write more..
behfar :)
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: youtwo@nevada.edu
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: songs -n- stuff
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:10 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034908_59622228@aol.com>
((I think I've always agreed with that analysis. I guess, the word itself
just sitcks out and kinda bugs me.))
Then the song was doing what it was intended to do - bother you and make you
think.
>Thanks for the analysis. I was interpreting "What makes us ashamed to be
>white" to mean why have "whites" been ashamed to be white (by programs such
>as affirmative action) and have to give up things, while they don't realize
>the dangers others (blacks?) present to them (the association of machine gun
>fire with black youths/gangs).
Interesting. I hadn't thought of it quite that way. I thought of it more as
"white guilt" - the feeling that spurs us on to charity, and how it can be
not only patronizing (white rich man throwing largesse to his inferiors) but
can also trivialize and misunderstand the situation of the oppressed and
needy. I wonder what Matt's take is on it.
------------------------------
From: marc virata
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What Harmonica(s) does Matt play?
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 18:39:16 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID:
I'm interested in picking up the harmonica to go along with my guitar
playing. Just wondering if anyone knows what key and type of harmonica
Matt plays. I can fake playing "Love is Stronger Than Death" on
acoustic, but I have little clue if Matt uses a harmonica in the same key
of the song or uses the cross harp technique that I'm trying to
understand, where I believe a different key is used to play "blues".
Marc
------------------------------
From: Gina Greer
To: marc virata
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: What Harmonica(s) does Matt play?
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:19:21 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
i'll take a guess at this:
either it is a Hohner Marine Band in the keys of E, C, or G
or Hohner Chromatic (major serious jazz)
this is purely a guess!
On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, marc virata wrote:
>
> I'm interested in picking up the harmonica to go along with my guitar
> playing. Just wondering if anyone knows what key and type of harmonica
> Matt plays. I can fake playing "Love is Stronger Than Death" on
> acoustic, but I have little clue if Matt uses a harmonica in the same key
> of the song or uses the cross harp technique that I'm trying to
> understand, where I believe a different key is used to play "blues".
>
> Marc
>
>
>
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What's going on?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:33:54 -0500
Message-Id: <950316023352_51125398@aol.com>
>"When you hide in your bed,
Hey...what's going on with the list....I'm getting a lot of returned messages
from the "mailer-daemon" whatever that is - saying that the mailbox is full.
Plus I don't seem to be getting a lot of messages from the
listserv.....Straigten it out guys, because I love this list and I want to
hear from the other fans out there!!!!!
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What's going on?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 15:46:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503161620.AA298800848@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #3181977 from infected@cs.uchicago.edu@INET#on 95/03/15 at 21:33
Maraluna, I just don't think a lot of folks have been posting to this list.
Everyone's lurking.
Come on out, y'all!
Hey, here's a question guaranteed to cause some controversy -- what's your
LEAST favorite the The song?
Mine's "Slow Train to Dawn." Arghhhhhh. . . .
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From: Steve Hill
Sender: shill@harper.cc.il.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Least favorite
Date: 16 Mar 1995 10:57:11 -0600
Message-Id: <1995Mar16.105711-0600@[157.178.121.56]>
In <199503161620.AA298800848@relay1.geis.com>, r.adams7@genie.geis.com wrote:
> Hey, here's a question guaranteed to cause some controversy -- what's your
> LEAST favorite the The song?
> Mine's "Slow Train to Dawn." Arghhhhhh. . . .
Probably 'The Beat(en) Generation'. Lyrically speaking, it's okay, but
musically it's dull, dull, dull. I couldn't say what my favorite is, cos it
changes, but way up there are 'Three Orange Kisses From Kazan' and 'Twilight
of a Champion' and 'The Twilight Hour'. Probably 'The Twilight Hour' for
lyrics.
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[] [] [] Network Specialist Voice:708-925-6273
William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030
[] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430
[][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!
------------------------------
From: Paul Spiers
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Least favorite
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 16:37:05 +0000
Message-Id: <3705A220C0@fingate>
> From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
> well, next to impossible is right, although there is one song that
> captured me the very first time i heard it, and to this day i think of
> it as one the most beautiful ones: HEARTLAND!
> i just can't get enough of this song..
> does anyone else like heartland? if not, how can you not???? :)
>
Heartland is a wonderful song, and had a fantastic video to go along
with it. It was always my first choice on the video jukebox at my
local boozer. It must have been around 1987, Cameo's Word-Up was
popular at the same time.
Heartland had to be edited to enable it to be played on UK radio, the
line "piss stinking shopping centres" had to be changed to "hiss
stinking shopping centres"...bizarre!!
Truly the 51st state of the US of A.
Paul
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From: Steve Hill
Sender: shill@harper.cc.il.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 22 Mar 1995 12:43:27 -0600
Message-Id: <1995Mar22.124327-0600@[157.178.121.56]>
In <3705A220C0@fingate>, Paul Spiers wrote:
> Heartland had to be edited to enable it to be played on UK radio, the
> line "piss stinking shopping centres" had to be changed to "hiss
> stinking shopping centres"...bizarre!!
That reminds me of MTV originally editing the video for "Infected" cutting out
the line "from my scrotum to your womb". Stupid idiots.
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[] [] [] Network Communications Specialist Voice:708-925-6273
William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030
[] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430
[][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!
------------------------------
From: BILL@riker.stjoe.udayton.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Censorship
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:51:48 EST
Message-Id:
> That reminds me of MTV originally editing the video for "Infected"
> cutting out the line "from my scrotum to your womb". Stupid idiots.
> -shill
MTV has continually annoyed me with their extreme censorship of
videos. I was watching that Natural born killaz video by Dr. Dre and
Ice Cube and they chopped it up so bad I began to wonder why they
showed it in the first place. It was so ridiculous the even bleeped
out the word revolver.
Interestingly enough, I recall MTV ran an anti-censorship campaign
when I was growing up. What a bunch of hypocrites. Censorship sucks!
You would think somone would come to the realization that MTV's
audience is mature enough to handel words like srotum and revolver.
Later,
BILL
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From: ESPrice@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Least favorite
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:46:17 -0500
Message-Id: <950317084616_52332221@aol.com>
r.adams7@genie.geis.com asked:
>what's your
>LEAST favorite the The song?
>
>Mine's "Slow Train to Dawn." Arghhhhhh. . . .
Ben, and everyone out there. I can't say I have a least favorite, but "Slow
Train.." is definetly NOT IT! In fact, _Infected_ to this day is my
favorite.
A Brief History---
I listened to and enjoyed _Soul Mining_ , but didn't own it. I used to live
out east, where a no defunct radios station named WLIR had a Sunday night
program called "Off the Boat" (incidentally, the intro music for this radio
show was a the The song from _Soul Mining_).
The show would play new imports from the past wek or so. Well, on this one
specific Sunday night, they played the newest import single from the The,
entitled "Sweet Bird of Truth". It was a remix.
MAN! That was sooo different than other pop/new wave/whatever I had heard.
I immediately ran out to Tower records ( at 5 minutes before closing) and
purchased the import CD single, remix and all.
This CD single came out many months before _Infected_ did so I was very
anxious for its' release. Back then, imports generally came out a few weeks
to months before the domestic release. I purchased the album as an import,
which contained three additional remixes.
The remix, and song itself of "Slow Train..." is fantastic. Because of that
song, I am now a huge Neneh Cherry fan.
WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN???
IMHO Ben, you are waaaayyy off the mark.
- -Evan
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Least favorite
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 03:24:50 -0500
Message-Id: <950318032450_53221397@aol.com>
Wow.....I love Slow Train to Dawn and The Beat(en) Generation....
Let's see....I'm not too terribly fond of "Helpline Operator".
As far as favorite, that would be next to impossible. Some guy on the AOL
folder wanted our ten faves, and that was almost impossible!
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Least favorite
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 14:02:15 CST
Message-Id: <9503182002.AA13782@cs.uchicago.edu>
Maraluna@aol.com writes:
> Wow.....I love Slow Train to Dawn and The Beat(en) Generation....
slow train to dawn is definitely one of my favorites too..
> As far as favorite, that would be next to impossible. Some guy on
> the AOL folder wanted our ten faves, and that was almost impossible!
well, next to impossible is right, although there is one song that
captured me the very first time i heard it, and to this day i think of
it as one the most beautiful ones: HEARTLAND!
i just can't get enough of this song..
does anyone else like heartland? if not, how can you not???? :)
behfar
ps: steve hogarth plays the piano on heartland.. anyone know of any
other song/album he appears on? (non-the The)
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: What's going on?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:11:02 -0500
Message-Id: <950316191019_51787946@aol.com>
least favorite----no trouble's here, and i will name three---
1. slow emotion replay. way to silly, and the lyrics border on awful.
2. beaten generation. sticks in my head, but it is again, silly.
3. (this one will cause some trouble) this is the day--a nice happy song
totally out of place on a great introspective album.
are you happy now benjamin?
------------------------------
From: Brandon K Snavely
To: Hirschdave@AOL.COM
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: What's going on?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:05:50 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Thu, 16 Mar 1995 Hirschdave@aol.com wrote:
> least favorite----no trouble's here, and i will name three---
> 1. slow emotion replay. way to silly, and the lyrics border on awful.
I had to reply to this because in my opinion, "Slow Emotion Replay"
are the best lyrics Matt has written, along with "Love is Stronger Than
Death."
> 2. beaten generation. sticks in my head, but it is again, silly.
This is also my least favorite The The song. Too chiche'd.
Freeze
------------------------------
From: nganon
To: Infected
Subject: bored in the library
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:34:58 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
The subject sums it up pretty well... Anyways I did a search for Matt
Johnson and the computer spit these out, unfortunatly our library doesn't
carry any of them.
Rough Mix Musician 4-1-95
Axe Maniax The Guitar Magizine 1-1-94
Matt Johnson The Guitar Magizine 2-1-93
Does anyone have any of these? Maybe even posting them to the list? I'll
soon have lots of free time so if someone were to photocopy the article
I'd be willing to type it in...
Least favorite the THE song, The remix of Dogs of Lust. Then again I'm
not much of a remix fan.
Is there a the THE archive anywhere with interviews and pictures? a FAQ?
Has anyone recieved the snail mail newsletter from THETHEXXX@aol.com?
Lastly is it just me or do others feel that they should have a half empty
bottle of whiskey infront of them while listening to Hanky Panky?
Trying to take up as much bandwidth as possible...
-nganon-
******************************************************************************
nganon@crl.com 'Now the nameless dwell
They hold your key and turn your knob
I'll bet...'
-Perry Farrell-
******************************************************************************
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: bored in the library
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 03:56:56 -0500
Message-Id: <950318035655_53229015@aol.com>
>Has anyone recieved the snail mail newsletter from THETHEXXX@aol.com?
I haven't, and I was wondering about that. Anyone?
>Lastly is it just me or do others feel that they should have a half empty
>bottle of whiskey infront of them while listening to Hanky Panky?
No, but I do have the urge to shout "Yee-Haw!"
------------------------------
From: dchase@unlinfo.unl.edu (douglas chase)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: (least) favorite songs
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:14:30 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <9503170314.AA14873@unlinfo.unl.edu>
On Thu, 16 Mar 1995 Hirschdave@aol.com wrote:
> least favorite----no trouble's here, and i will name three---
> 1. slow emotion replay. way to silly, and the lyrics border on
awful.
I had to reply to this because in my opinion, "Slow Emotion Replay"
are the best lyrics Matt has written, along with "Love is Stronger
Than Death."
Have to agree with you there. In oposition to the standard "I like
their older stuff better" cliche', I think Dusk is about his best
album. And these two songs are two of the best songs on it.
> 2. beaten generation. sticks in my head, but it is again, silly.
This is also my least favorite The The song. Too chiche'd.
Freeze
I like this song too. Kinda poppy, but very catchy and fun. I think
one of my least favorite songs is Dogs of Lust. After a couple years,
though, it's kind of growing on me, especially the live version he
did on Modern Rock Live, just him and an acoustic guitar. Some of his
all instrumental songs are a bit dull too, IMHO.
dug
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From: Tukker Paul J <3pjt@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: infected
Subject: songs, good and bad.
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:32:23 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
Least Favourite.
I agree that "Beat(en) Generation" is fairly dull. "Armageddon Days"
kind of annoys me, the lyrics are a bit stupid ("if the real Jesus Christ
were to stand up today, he'd be gunned down cold by the CIA").
"Infected" also annoys me, I usually skip over it.
"Jealous of Youth" is incredible, "Angels of Deception" as well,
"gravitate to me" is wonderful, as is "giant". It seems I like all the
"big" epic songs.
"Slow Emotion Replay" is also a favourite, if only for Johnny Marr doing
his thing, harmonica and all. "Bugle Boy" has great lyrics.
"Lung Shadows" is a waste of time.
regards, pjt.
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From: Marshall Tam <9359181m@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Favourite song
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:25:25 +0000 (GMT)
Message-Id: <14536.199503170925@rockall.cent.gla.ac.uk>
Its got to be GIANT, Paerfect or Sweet Bird Of Truth.
There`s a song from the extra tracks of Soul Mining that says "Why do
people never say what they mean only repeat what they read" & "Keep on
making those pointless decisions" which I think is brilliant, I dont
know the name of the song but.
I dont understand why everybody hates The Beaten Generation &
Armmeggedon so much, they`re not all that bad.
The worst song ever has to be the one from Dusk, the song after the dogs
of lust, err I cant remeber what its called but its start with a piano
and songs like Queen.
- --
FFFFFFF OOOOOO AAAAAA MMMMMM
FF O O A A M MM M
FFFFFFF O O AAAAAA M MM M
FF O O A A M M
FF OOOOOO A A M M
at the mouth
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From: MMOYNIER@midd.middlebury.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: least favorite
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 9:12:59 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <950317091259.7a29@midd.middlebury.edu>
This is a no brainer for me: "I've been waitinng for tomorrow.." off of
Soul Mining. The drum machine is so cheezy and the music so sparse that
I cannot listen to it. I always skip over it when I listen to Mining.
Mark
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From: "Gordon C. Roadcap"
To: THE the
Subject: Beat(en) Generation
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 00:30:14 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
Okay, so many have slammed "Beat(en) Generation." Well, I think than
that it is my responsibility to defend it.
I particularly enjoy the song because of its use of cynicism and irony.
The title obviously puns the poetry movement that was born in the
1950-1960. The "Beats" were in a sense the beatniks who had major
alternative views to society. They wished to revolutionize poetry, music
and visual arts. As many young arts are apt to do, they were very
idealistic. They wished to not only revolutionize the arts, but also the
society. They were the first drug culture, the first free love. Their
anthem was written by Allen Ginsberg in the poem "Howl," which begins:
"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked, / dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn
looking for an angry fix, / angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient
heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night". The
poem goes on for several pages in the same frantic pace.
The beats wanted, through out it all, to end conformity, yet they
became the yuppies, i.e., the the ones who didn't either gain fame for
overdose.
Now, the issue that I think Matt pursues is that their children
have become a generation afraid. They live off the input of television
and popculture, they lack any courage to change their world, they lack
any courage to stand for anything out of the main stream. Rather they
live for name brand labels and status appreciation.
I hope the irony and cynicism are apparent. If you find the
lines a bit too catchy or popsongish, isn't that what Matt is parodying?
Isn't he singing amount the mindless generation, who must be spoon feed.
No I disagree with poor reviews of this song. I think the sound
and message are precise and thoughtful.
I await more discussion.
Gordon.
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Beat(en) Generation
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 13:52:18 CST
Message-Id: <9503181952.AA13730@cs.uchicago.edu>
well, about the beaten generation, i personally think it's a powerful
song.. as someone said earlier, i feel that the catchy music together
with the lyrics create a parody. on the one hand, the music is poppy
and light, and i could well imagine some carefree sun-shiny happy
lyrics going with it, something you'd listen to on the way to the
beach or something. but then the lyrics talk about for example the
police-state "..and then they send in the special police, to deliver
us from liberty and keep us from peace." and there's this tension
between the words and the music. sort of like watching tv and seeing a
whole lot of happy commercials, and then turning off the tv, falling
on your bed, looking at the ceiling, and wondering how different the
tv reality (the music) is from your own life's reality (the lyrics, so
to speak)..
also for example, when matt sings ".. can you sense the fear and the
hatred, growing in the hearts of its population?" and then right away
jumps into the poppy chorus, i think that's a beautifully crafted
irony.
well, that's all i have for now..
any other thoughts?
behfar
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: least faves
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 03:54:29 -0500
Message-Id: <950318035428_53228509@aol.com>
>least favorite----no trouble's here, and i will name three---
>1. slow emotion replay. way to silly, and the lyrics border on awful.
>2. beaten generation. sticks in my head, but it is again, silly.
>3. (this one will cause some trouble) this is the day--a nice happy song
>totally out of place on a great introspective album.
Well, Davey, I agree with you about the other two - this is the day has great
lyrics but the annoying tune gets irritating, and I don't care for S.E.P.
either (dusk as a whole I think is weaker than the three before it) but why
is everybody picking on Beat(en) Generation? I love that song! I love the
lyrics, and I love the way Matt sings it, and I love the (ironically)
fetching little tune.
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: least faves
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 15:09:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503181518.AA233129924@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #6502949 from infected@cs.uchicago.edu@INET#on 95/03/17 at 22:54
> 3. (this one will cause some trouble) this is the day--a nice happy song
> totally out of place on a great introspective album.>>
_Whaaaaaaaat?_ When was the last time you _listened_ to the lyrics of "This is
the Day"? That's one of the most depressing songs on the whole album! It's
about someone who keeps putting off getting out of bed and on with life. It's
the lynchpin of the record; without it, SOUL MINING wouldn't work.
------------------------------
From: Tukker Paul J <3pjt@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: least faves
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:14:42 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Sat, 18 Mar 1995 r.adams7@genie.geis.com wrote:
> _Whaaaaaaaat?_ When was the last time you _listened_ to the lyrics of "This is
> the Day"? That's one of the most depressing songs on the whole album! It's
> about someone who keeps putting off getting out of bed and on with life. It's
> the lynchpin of the record; without it, SOUL MINING wouldn't work.
>
Absolutely. "This is the Day" is a sad song. Sad, sad, sad.
and whoever said that "Armageddon days" sounds like it's from a disney
movie, brilliant. Spot on. Except maybe the lyrics are a little too
inflamatory for some Jiminy Cricket to be singing.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: least faves
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:54:45 -0500
Message-Id: <950320155442_55321329@aol.com>
this is the day---i was referring to the stupid sound of the song, all happy
and crappy, not it's lyrics.
beaten generation sucks, thats all i have to say on the subject.
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From: Kstrick@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Newsletter
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 04:13:07 -0500
Message-Id: <950319041306_53994511@aol.com>
>Has anyone recieved the snail mail newsletter from THETHEXXX@aol.com?
I have.
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Newsletter
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 01:02:14 -0500
Message-Id: <950321005900_55958553@aol.com>
i haven't gotten one, but i signed a friend up for one at the same time and
she got hers. it was addressed to 'Amy's Friend.' but no sign of mine. go
figure.
amy
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From: ptokarsk@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Piotr Tokarski--3A ERS - University of
Waterloo)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Pornography of Despair
Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:01:53 -0500
Message-Id: <95Mar19.180156est.90013-3@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>
I am curious as to what the very limited album "The Prnography of Despair"
is like compared to other The The ablums. Matt Johnson is currently doing a
very limited promotional tour for "Hanky Panky" and stopped by in Toronto to
give an interview and perform a few songs. He said at one point that he was
considering re-releasing the album.
Thanks,
Piotr Tokarski
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Pornography of Despair
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 02:57:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503200324.AA052059896@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #1799306 from infected@cs.uchicago.edu@INET#on 95/03/19 at 13:01
Piotr Tokarski says:
> I am curious as to what the very limited album "The Pornography of Despair"
> is like compared to other The The albums.
PORNOGRAPHY OF DESPAIR really does sound like the missing link between BURNING
BLUE SOUL and SOUL MINING, which is where it belongs. The song structures are
slightly poppier, but the production is still very harsh and metallic.
I don't actually have a copy of PORNOGRAPHY OF DESPAIR, of course -- I've just
reconstructed the contents from my collection of the The B-sides (where every
song from P.O.D. has appeared, save one). There was a track listing for P.O.D.
published in THE FACE a few years back, which is also included in one of the
band discographies that's floating around.
Anyone else care to comment?
Ben
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Pornography of Despair
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:54:47 -0500
Message-Id: <950320155445_55321378@aol.com>
porno has a much more middle eastern feel to it, at least from the million
and one songs that have appeared as b-sides. less "accessible" than any
other album, even burning blue soul.
i think some of the lyrics are great, but some are fairly juvenile. he was
just a kid.
all in all, pretty neat stuff.
- ---------------
ok, i just finished the ben adams porno review, i would agree with what he
says, but i just like burning blue soul much better....
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: THETHEXXX
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 95 02:57:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503200322.AA049539776@relay1.geis.com>
Hey, is THETHEXXX still subscribed to this list?
How about sending us out here on the Internet copies of the same stuff you post
on AOL? It's not fair that without AOL, we're no longer in touch with the
pulse of Matt's management.
If not, can anyone from AOL forward copies of THETHEXXX's posts to us?
Ben
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: THETHEXXX
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:19:47 -0500
Message-Id: <950321101937_56185021@aol.com>
it does't look like the big boys in management have posted anything lately.
someone will post them here if they don't do it themselves. don't you worry
a bit.
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: hello, i'm a retard
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 00:35:41 -0500
Message-Id: <950320003541_54760620@aol.com>
i realized today that i was sending my responses to the people that authored
responses. sorry to all who have been receiving these. i wasn't in control
of all my senses that night.
i haven't come up with my least favorites yet but i will repeat the only
statement that is of any importance. i remarked that i do really like out of
the blue and that you could all call me a pessimistic female if you like but
at the same time i see both sides.
back with least favorites.
amy
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From: sa95059@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Cooper)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Porno of Despair
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:19:36 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <9503210619.AA06094@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu>
This album (the parts I've heard) does bridge the gap between Burning
Blue.. and Soul Mining. I also see why Matt never released it. There are
some good songs but it's a bad production job. Most of it needs to be
rerecorded but it's a little too late for that. I don't think it will
ever be widely released.
IMHO, of course.
- --
David Cooper dcooper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
University of Texas GSBS1079@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
MD Anderson Cancer Ctr Postpunk@aol.com
******* "If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat" *******
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Retard/out of the blue
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 02:30:33 -0500
Message-Id: <950321023032_56015093@aol.com>
AmyCal writes:
>i realized today that i was sending my responses to the people that
>authored responses. sorry to all who have been receiving these. i wasn't in
>control of all my senses that night.
Don't be too hard on yourself...that's easy to do on AOL 'cause when you hit
'reply' it sends it to the individual sender, not the listserv, because the
individual sender is in the "To" line. I've done that a couple times myself.
> i remarked that i do really like out of the blue and that you could all
>call me a pessimistic female if you like but at the same time i see both
>sides.
"Out of the Blue" was always a guilty pleasure of mine too. If pressed, I'd
have to name it as my favorite song from Infected.... There's just something
about it, and I can't defer it by saying "I just like the music" since that
part of it is pretty spare, it really is lyric-driven...perhaps it's the
honesty, the darkness.... I just can't take it personally, I think that it's
just his personal experience, not a comment on women really....more about
what's going on in his head than anything else...he talks about himself and
his needs mostly "I thought if acted like somebody else, I'd feel more
comfortable with myself.........I was trying so hard to be myself, I was
turning into somebody else" etc.
At least what I can say is that I've always enjoyed Matt's refreshing take on
sexuality...neither covering it up in romanticism nor making it cheap and
dirty, not even with "out of the blue", which I think is really more about
how we try to anaesthetize ourself with casual sex, which I can't say I
haven't done myself.... I think when people do either of the former they are
just trying to avoid being honest about sex, which I think is what Matt is
trying to do.
There I go....getting deep again! Sorry!
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From: Paul Spiers
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Retard/out of the blue
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 16:31:46 +0000
Message-Id: <36EF1E44D9@fingate>
> From: AmyCal@aol.com
> out of the blue is not a guilty pleasure of mine. just pure, absolutely
> wonderful pleasure. despite the lyrics this song always makes me happy.
> strange? this is a tendency with me. perky music, dark lyrics, happy amy.
> perky music, happy lyrics doesn't seem to work quite the same magic.
>
While on the subject of 'Out of The Blue' the last few lines always
bother me, it goes.....
"Come my love, with your desire,
Out of the blue and into the fire,"
For some reason I always want the woman to sing Heart instead of fire
ie..
"Come my love, with your desire,
out of the blue and into my heart."
Its still a beautiful song and the best piece of music video i've
ever seen.
Paul
Aberdeen
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Retard/out of the blue
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:19:42 -0500
Message-Id: <950321101931_56184924@aol.com>
out of the blue has always been a favorite of mine, i guess it was my first
favorite the the song.
the whole opening verse with the didn't want to be with any people i know
business really spoke (speaks) to me at various times in my little life. it
was that song more than any other that convinced me that matthew was reading
into my brain.
and while i am on the subject, it is written in a style that is absent from
his newer stuff. while a lot of the mind bomb and dusk stuff is almost
conventional song structure (not all, i don't care for a laundry list reply,
thank you), more of the infected and earlier stuff is in a story telling
style that i must say i miss....oh well.
also with the same effect on me would be twilight of a champion. especially
with the video. a powerful as all hell song that is much to painfully honest
to take at times.
that reminds me (babble babble--i just woke up)---kingdom of rain is hard for
me to listen to, it is so personal and devastating. yikes....
ok, back to my cave.
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Retard/out of the blue
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 01:42:19 -0500
Message-Id: <950322014217_57165209@aol.com>
boy, i wasn't expecting these wonderful responses.
out of the blue is not a guilty pleasure of mine. just pure, absolutely
wonderful pleasure. despite the lyrics this song always makes me happy.
strange? this is a tendency with me. perky music, dark lyrics, happy amy.
perky music, happy lyrics doesn't seem to work quite the same magic.
maraluna you're not too deep just right on target. the pessism i was
referring to is only one the many ways i look at this song. it says
something different each time i listen to it.
dave, how did you know that the not wanting to be with any people i know is
one of the lines i identify with most? reading my mind now eh?
matt's take on sex is usually pretty amazing. for example, beyond love is
one of the most amazing descriptions i've ever heard.
i think we can all identify with out of the blue. maraluna i think you are
quite correct about anaesthetizing ourselves. too bad it doesn't seem to
solve anything. at least for me.
i don't seem to have a continuous train of thought at the moment. time to
go.
amy
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: AmyCal@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Retard/out of the blue
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:16 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034916_59622287@aol.com>
My response to your post:
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Just thought I'd simplify things a bit. :-)
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Retard/out of the blue
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:25 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034924_59622323@aol.com>
>For some reason I always want the woman to sing Heart instead of fire
>ie..
>"Come my love, with your desire,
>out of the blue and into my heart."
Really great except that
A. it wouldn't rhyme, and
B. that goes counter to the song, which is after all about lust and not
love, and the line means something specific, that he comes out of nowhere in
to the fire of "the stranger's bed" where he loses himself
But I do agree, it is a beautiful song. All hail Matt for writing exquisite
songs about excruciating subjects.
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From: Imus@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: From Dawn to Dusk
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 02:42:56 -0500
Message-Id: <950321024256_56020424@aol.com>
For those that are interested I just got the Japanese Laser Disc of From Dawn
to Dusk. It is only 50 minutes but it's great. This disc cost me an arm and a
leg ($60) if any of you would like to get a
HI - FI copy on VHS please E-Mail me. There will be a small charge though
since there is the cost of the Blank Video Tape, the cost it cost me to get
the Laser Disc the cost of shipping the tape Etc, Etc. It will not be much so
don't any one get scared. The cost would be $15 this would be $5 for a high
grade blank $3 for shipping and $7 for the trouble and the time it will take
me to dub the tapes since I only have one Laser Disc Player and one VHS Hi-
Fi deck. I think this is
fair. I would be interested in trades for any The The I don't have. However I
have been collecting for 12 years but always interested in something I don't
have.
Just a quick list of my most unfavorite The The songs and favorites. Since it
seems like I sent my last list into Cyberspace.
Least Favorite The THe Song (there aren't many)
1. Dogs Of Lust - Matt has written some very sensual song and lyrics but this
is mundane. REALLY.
Favorite The THe Songs
1. Heartland - This song lyrically is one of Matts best but when you combine
the video with it. It becomes a masterpiece.
2. Uncertain Smile - A Classic for numerous reasons but most of all because
it was a project in the works that was perfected and perfected from it's
early beginings in "Cold Spell Ahead" to it's version with the flute to it's
final version with the Keyboard solo of the great Jools Holland. This song
say's it all.
3. Flesh & Bones - Many The THe fans have never heard this one since it is
only a B side on a single and a B side on the Heartland 12 inch. During the
1990 tour Matt played it as a encore in Seattle at the Moore Theater and in
S.F. at the Warfield. However the Seattle audience was mostly Jonnie Marr
fans so they did not realize how rare this was.
"The Cranes are Moving on the Skylines and the Water is Runnning from the Kitc
hen Tap"
M. J. Flesh &
Bones
4. Love is Stronger Than Death - Just a great song we played it at a dear
friend of our funeral who was taken to soon from us recently in a car
accident he was a The THe fan and loved the song.
5. Slow Emotion Replay - For those of you who don't like this song when you
see Dawn to Dusk video I think you will
change your mind.
6. Dolphins - Not a song written by Matt it was written by Fred Neil who
wrote "Everybody's Talking" sung by Nilsson in Midnight Cowboy. But Matt has
said he is doing the Tim Buckley Version which is on the album "Dream Letter"
both these guys Buckley & Neil are worth checking out if you have not
already.
7. Beaten Generation - Say what you want about this song it's lyrics are
brillant. It is the beat poets and Dylan & Phil Ochs & Tim Buckley all rolled
up into one song. Even Matt does not like it in time I believe it will become
a modern classic protest song and will receive the notice it deserves.
One quick note I have not forgotten about the Fanzine it is just that I have
been so busy. I will have the first issue of this
The The fanzine by April 10. Hey how about some submissions for the Fanzine
this will be a printed paper one with photos articles & ideas. If you have an
interesting story about seeing The The or why you like The The or just to
blow your own horn please contact me it is not to late to get your article in
the first issue.
Thanks for letting me ramble
Imus
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: lament@netcom.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Set Sale..
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:47:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503211715.AA033456142@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #7021453 from LAMENT@NETCOM.COM@INET#on 95/03/20 at 12:51
Tell you what. Some of us don't have fancy-schmancy .edu E-mail accounts and
have to get our E-mail through commerecial services. An unsolicited list like
this is extremely . . . bothersome.
Please don't bother our lists with this stuff again.
Ben Adams, Member, Infected mailing list
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From: Boon Sheridan
To: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
Cc: lament@netcom.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Set Sale..
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:14:34 +0001 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Tue, 21 Mar 1995 r.adams7@genie.geis.com pounded out:
> Reply: Item #7021453 from LAMENT@NETCOM.COM@INET#on 95/03/20 at 12:51
>
> Tell you what. Some of us don't have fancy-schmancy .edu E-mail accounts and
> have to get our E-mail through commerecial services. An unsolicited list like
> this is extremely . . . bothersome.
Or extremely whiny on your account. Is this the new form of superiority
- - where your email account is located? Ben, not only are you out of
line, you're being rude by then bumping this to the list and raising the
ire of other readers who didn't mind the info.
>
> Please don't bother our lists with this stuff again.
Again, Ben - you have a delete key - use it with impunity. Taking your
crankiness to the list only exposes you for having a bad day and a lack
of patience that can be overcome with a few deep breaths.
>
> Ben Adams, Member, Infected mailing list
>
Ads and sale info can be found everywhere on the net, some good, some
bad. Why start to get upset when there are ads around? It seems that
many members of the larger on-line services get cranky when they see ads
cluttering 'their' space. Unless the list admin specifically bars these
posts (which he hasn't and I don't think there is any call to) there is
nothing wrong with them.
I realize I may be compounding the felony by then bumping this to the
list, but I don't want such a mindless post going un-checked in
semi-public space.
Boon
(Who isn't on an .edu account but doesn't see what that matters to Mr. Adams)
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: bowie@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bowie Green)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Disinfected (Japanese)
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:20:26 -0800
Message-Id:
Does anyone know what the songs that appear to be instrumentals sound like
on the Japanese Disinfected EP? I saw it in the store the other day (along
with Shades of Blue) and didn't buy it because is was too expensive. I
forget the track names but they are 4 parts or movements to track number 4
I think...
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Disinfected (Japanese)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:32:29 -0500
Message-Id: <950323193227_59168330@aol.com>
yes, arctic twilight is a few pleasant sounding instrumentals.
amy, you should be looking for the infected video tape, with videos from
every song on infected. very cool, and still available.
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Disinfected (Japanese)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:27:45 -0500
Message-Id: <950324002743_59512078@aol.com>
thanks everyone for all your help regarding the infected video. guess i'll
be spending more money in the next few days. it's getting out of hand....
amy
i don't know why i didn't just ask you dave. fountain of knowledge...:)
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: bowie@ecst.csuchico.edu
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Disinfected (Japanese)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:05 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034902_59622191@aol.com>
>Does anyone know what the songs that appear to be instrumentals sound like
>on the Japanese Disinfected EP? I saw it in the store the other day (along
>with Shades of Blue) and didn't buy it because is was too expensive. I forget
>the track names but they are 4 parts or movements to track number 4 I
>think...
It's five parts to track four, called scenes from 'arctic twilight'.
I. ancient lights
II. wounded
III. balloon
IV. unseasonable weather
V. arctic twilight
Each piece is rather short, spacey but dark ambient stuff a la Burning Blue
Soul. This is the main reason why I bought the CD (besides curiosity and
completism) since I'm not really into remakes/remixes.
If you want, I can make you a high-grade tape of the CD, maybe in trade for
other rare stuff you have (I need a copy of Flesh & Bones) tapes of CD's
would be fine.
I bought three of these Japanese imports (Infected and Shades of Blue as
well) and I'd like to know what the deal is - is the The big in Japan or what?
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From: bowie@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bowie Green)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Disinfected (Japanese)
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 12:14:49 -0800
Message-Id:
>The Japanese Disinfected CD has the following tracks:
>1. That was the day
>2. Dis-infected
>3. Helpline operator (sick boy mix)
>4. Scenes from 'arctic twilight' (parts I-V)
>5. Infected (new version)
>6. Soul mining (new version)
>7. Armageddon days are here (again) (new version)
>tracks 5-7 are from the NYC live broadcast by the way
>and it has a nice photo/lyric booklet too!!
>hope this is helpful,
I want to know what Arctic Twilight sounds like. Instrumentals?
Thanks
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From: Kisschase@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Japanese Disinfected
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:29:39 -0500
Message-Id: <950321142936_56419961@aol.com>
The Japanese Disinfected CD has the following tracks:
1. That was the day
2. Dis-infected
3. Helpline operator (sick boy mix)
4. Scenes from 'arctic twilight' (parts I-V)
5. Infected (new version)
6. Soul mining (new version)
7. Armageddon days are here (again) (new version)
tracks 5-7 are from the NYC live broadcast by the way
and it has a nice photo/lyric booklet too!!
hope this is helpful,
James
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From: Steve Hill
Sender: shill@harper.cc.il.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hanky Panky 2x10", other rare stuff
Date: 21 Mar 1995 13:41:51 -0600
Message-Id: <1995Mar21.134151-0600@[157.178.121.56]>
I was just at my local Tower Records today (Schaumburg IL), and they did have
a copy of the double-10" vinyl release of Hanky Panky, priced at $25.
A friend of mine was telling me about a very very limited promo CD called "The
The vs Hank Williams" that's comprised of alternating Matt's versions with
Hank's originals of each song. Collectors take note.
Updated discography coming soon!
- -shill
- --
[][] [][] Steve Hill Email:shill@harper.cc.il.us
[] [] [] Network Communications Specialist Voice:708-925-6273
William Rainey Harper College Fax:708-925-6030
[] [] [] 1200 West Algonquin Road Page:708-962-0430
[][] [][] Palatine IL 60067-7398 Me? Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hanky Panky 2x10", other ...
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:59:46 -0500
Message-Id: <950321145943_56446958@aol.com>
i found the double 10" for $20 bucks, so shop around.
and i just this moment posted about the THE THE/hank williams cd on the aol
board.
way ahead of me.
it is nice to see the spirited mr. adams again.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: not a nice man
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 22:01:03 -0500
Message-Id: <950321220011_56933769@aol.com>
rendad is threatening to shut down the aol board, and he seems VERY serious
this time.
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: not a nice man
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 04:54:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503220545.AA070271159@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #9658039 from infected@cs.uchicago.edu@INET#on 95/03/21 at 17:01
Oh, ferchrissakes -- what now?
And he _can't_ shut down the AOL board. He didn't create it, and if fans are
still posting in it, there's nothing he can do. It's a public forum.
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: mailing lists
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 03:15:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503220352.AA274324341@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #6828727 from infected@cs.uchicago.edu@INET#on 95/03/21 at 09:59
> Hirschdave@aol.com says:
> it is nice to see the spirited mr. adams again
Well, Dave, it's nice to be back in full form again. And good to see you, too.
> boon@world.std.com had rather a lot to say, so I'll keep my remarks short.
Guess what, Boonie. With an automated front-end program (Online Servant) like
I pretty much _have_ to use on GEnie, there's no way I can delete the mail
coming in. And _why_ am I forced to use an automated front-end program? To
save time and money. Genie can be damn expensive, but it's the service I use
because the professional organization to which I belong -- Horror Writers
Association -- has a large online presence there. I notice you're the
publisher of some sort of electronic magazine. That's nice. I'm a
professional short fiction writer (work coming up in anthologies from Barnes &
Noble and DAW Books). I don't have a helluva lot of extra time or money to
deal with unsolicited mailings showing up in this mailing list, which is one of
only two I subscribe to. The other, FEGMANIAX (for Robyn Hitchcock fans)
censors out all unsolicited sale mailings beforehand, so this kind of thing
never happens. I'm glad you have the time and money to waste on dealing with
an enormous lot of garbage being pumped through your modem, but i don't. It
angers me, in fact, which is why I posted the message I did.
Now. I'm perfectly willing to let this go at this point. But don't presume
you know _anything_ about my situation or why I don't want to receive
unsolicited E-mailings. That's all I have to say on the matter.
Hey, Hirschdave: Are you happy now?
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From: Charles Clutter
Sender: Charles Clutter
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Interview/article I wrote on Matt Johnson
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:57:11 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
hi everyone,
i just got on the list, and thought some of you might enjoy reading an
article i just wrote for a local regional music magazine. i interviewed
matt, who was extremely friendly and talkative. the article follows:
First and foremost, Matt Johnson of The The wants you to know that his new
disc of Hank Williams Sr. tunes, Hanky Panky, IS NOT a cheap attempt to
cash in on the recent craze of tribute albums flooding the record market.
"I wasn't aware of the amount of
tribute albums that there were. I approached this in a very different
way, and I'm sort of shy to use that term because it's become so overused
now. I've not heard any of them to be quite honest, and I'm not really
interested. "
What Hanky Panky IS is definitely a The The album, full of Johnson's
unique interpretive ability on songs that sound like they could have just
as easily be written by him. "With some of the songs I did them fairly
pure, like "Weary Blues from Waiting,"
and others, like "Honky Tonkin'" were very radical re-writes. All the
lyrics are kept the same, but I wanted to update them."
Matt Johnson came to this project quite by accident. Musically naive to
the venerable Hank Williams, Johnson only turned onto his songs as an
after thought. While touring the U.S. last year, a friend gave him a
copy of Chet Flippo's biography, Your
Cheatin' Heart, to help pass the idle hours spent crossing the country
several times by bus. "I was fascinated by the myth and the legend, more
so than the music really. It was just the whole thing of Hank Williams as
an icon I suppose that made me
persevere more with him as a songwriter than maybe I ever would have
otherwise."
On Hanky Panky, the songs of Hank Williams take on Matt Johnson's persona,
rather than the other way around. From the opening strains of the first
track, "Honky Tonkin'," the listener is transported into Johnson's dark,
threatening view of the world,
where even temporary happiness seems fleeting. "Honky Tonkin'" becomes an
ominous, foreboding anthem of self-deception, where going out for a good
time becomes an act of desperation and not just a simple way to pass the
time. "It's a bit more sinister.
It's kind of got a swampy, Southern feeling to it. It's a bit dark and
strange."
"According to the various anecdotes you hear from friends and various
drinking partners, going out on the town drinking with Hank Williams could
be, shall we say, quite an intense, unsettling experience. He was quite a
renown drinker, drug addict and
womanizer, and he didn't shy away from picking a fight or two. So it
might not have been as much fun as his versions suggest. Or it may have
been more fun, depending..."
Johnson's reinterpretation of "I Saw The Light" is less celebratory than
the original, with a menacing, screaming guitar line that makes the
listener wonder about the sincerity of the singer voicing the words, "Now
I have traded the wrong for the right."
With other songs like "Long Gone Daddy," the listener is hard pressed to
discern anything of the original. Johnson's versions truly become his
own, complete with signature The The musical embellishments. Those who
are unfamiliar with Hank Williams
repertoire may even mistake some songs for Matt Johnson-penned lyrics.
"Maybe I was attracted to the songs lyrically that I could have written
myself. I felt close to them, but I changed the melodies and the phrasing
to fit my voice. I changed the keys to suit me, so they end up sounding
more like myself I suppose."
Hanky Panky's careful song sequencing makes it a single, unified piece of
work, not just a thrown together collection of favorites. "We put a lot
of attention into the key changes between songs, to see if they
harmonically worked well togetht's very hard to get the backing unless
you're in a strong position like Pearl Jam
or R.E.M. . Sony claims they don't make any money off of the sale of
music videos in the U.S., which is very strange. I've done all these
things and it's cost me a lot of money, but I don't really have the clout
to get them shown on mainstream
television."
Following the disillusion of the Smiths, guitarist Johnny Marr took refuge
in The The for the recording of Mind Bomb and Dusk. Ironically, Marr's
temporary membership brought legions of Smiths fans to The The's fold.
Matt Johnson takes a somewhat
sanguine stance on this though. "Personality cults---that's what this
whole music industry is built on---personality cults. People have their
favorites and they follow them. A lot of the fans brought in by Johnny
seemed to really get into it though
and really enjoy the band."
After months spent touring last years as a headliner and in the opening
slot for Depeche Mode, there are no plans to go on the road for Hanky
Panky. "It wouldn't bother me if I never played live again. I much
prefer writing and recording. It's fun when
you're on tour, but it's not something that I yearn to do. I'm not
uncomfortable on stage---I don't get nervous---I can enjoy it a lot, but
it's not really my main thing. I'll maybe do one or two more world tours,
and then, that will be it."
Don't get the idea that Matt Johnson is slacking for the rest of '95
though. He goes into the studio in May to begin recording the next The
The album, tentatively titled Gun Sluts, promising " to be much more
aggressive than we've been before. I may
keep the same band that we have now, or I may bring different people in.
I just like to keep it free and flowing."
As for future releases in his "occasional series celebrating great
singer/songwriters," Johnson is quick to mention his next target: "Frank
Sinatra. It will be called Franky Panky. And after that, Robert Johnson.
That one will just be called Johnson.
We are distantly related you know, very distantly. I'm the white sheep of
the family."
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From: David Cooper
To: The The
Subject: Infected video...
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:51:51 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:
If people can't find the "Infected" or "The The Vs The World" videos at
their local shoppe, they can be found at two telnet online-store sites.
If you have have 'telnet' internet access and a credit card, go to:
cdnow.com or videoexpress.com
CDnow even has the elusive "From Dusk Til Dawn" on laserdisc and VHS if
you don't mind coughing up $65 for them. That $15 price for a dub
doesn't sound to bad.
later,
dave
ps My least fav: Lonely Planet....Total cheese
David Cooper dcooper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
University of Texas GSBS1079@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
MD Anderson Cancer Ctr Postpunk@aol.com
******* "If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat" *******
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: out of the blue
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:48:47 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034847_59622096@aol.com>
>kingdom of rain is hard for
>me to listen to, it is so personal and devastating.
Yes, I agree. The last three songs on Mind Bomb seem to be extrememly
personal too - Mind Bomb is a curious animal, four extremely personal and and
four extremely political songs. To me it was as if he brought his ideas into
a narrower and more specific, personal focus.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: AOL Board
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:14 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034913_59622259@aol.com>
>rendad is threatening to shut down the aol board, and he seems VERY serious
>this time.
Who cares? I like this forum better anyway - people actually discuss the
The's music and the meaning of it, instead of a lot of knowing asides and
b*&% s$%@.
Besides, is it really in his power to do that? Wouldn't it be up to the power
s that be at AOL?
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: AmyCal@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Infected video
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:31 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034929_59622338@aol.com>
I'm surprised that you didn't know about the video "Infected". It has a
video for every song on Infected. It's the easiest the The video to find,
most Towers and other such record stores carry it. If not, try a used record
store.
While were on the subject, isn't it weird to see Matt with hair? He looks so
young! Also, did anybody else notice how they use music from Soul Mining
during the credits?
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: out of the blue discussion
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 03:49:35 -0500
Message-Id: <950324034933_59622352@aol.com>
I have to say I love all this intelligent discussion, especially about one of
my favorite songs!!! This list is smokin! keep up the great input folks.
RE: the reprinted lyrics - isn't interesting the way Matt makes even his
printed lyrics ooze emotion and meaning? (I know, I'm a shameless fan!)
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From: Paul Spiers
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Kingdom of Rain
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 13:14:54 +0000
Message-Id: <63A8C3057D@fingate>
I think people have been a bit harsh on Kingdom of Rain, saying its
too personal or its in their top three worst songs.
This to me is in the top three of favourite The The songs, along
with Uncertain Smile and Gravitate to Me.
Its a beautiful song and made even better by the spitting vocals of
Sinead O'Connor. It appeals to me in that it mirrors the relationship
that my fiancee and I were going through and it made me look again at
how my life was going.
I dont have the album to hand but the main lines are...
"we've grown further apart, year by year, while still making love
dutifully sincere"
"our bed is empty, the fire is out, and all the love we've got to
give has...spurted out."
You cant ask much more from a song than that.
But if I was a 20 stone bricklayer I can see how you would say 'thats
a load of personal crap!', thankfully I am only 19 stone ;-)
Paul
PS My fiancee and I are getting married this year (aw shucks a happy
ending)
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Kingdom of Rain
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:36:25 -0500
Message-Id: <950325023624_60628431@aol.com>
>I think people have been a bit harsh on Kingdom of Rain, saying its too
>personal or its in their top three worst songs.
That's what I love about it, and why I'm such a the The fan - songs that are
personal and cut close to the bone. Matt doesn't shy away from the
unpleasant and dark emotions in life. Love songs are great if you're in
love, and he does those too (Gravitate to me, etc) but a lot of us out there
aren't in love.
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Kingdom of Rain
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:51:01 -0500
Message-Id: <950325195100_61160543@aol.com>
i don't think people are being harsh by saying it's personal. what they're
saying is that it's one of those songs that really gets inside you, really
affects you.
one of the lines that really gets me is "when you put your hands inside me i
don't even feel like i'm being touched." i might be a little off, i don't
have the album in front of me.
amy
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Kingdom of Rain
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:51:12 -0500
Message-Id: <950325195110_61160702@aol.com>
> Love songs are great if you're in
> love, and he does those too (Gravitate to me, etc) but a lot of us out there
> aren't in love.
thank you maraluna!
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Kingdom of Rain
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 04:08:50 -0500
Message-Id: <950326040850_61446211@aol.com>
>one of the lines that really gets me is "when you put your hands inside me
>i don't even feel like i'm being touched." i might be a little off, i don't
>have the album in front of me.
Very close......you just missed it by three letters - t, and es.
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From: Palmer Peterson
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Best Songs
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:12:23 -0500
Message-Id: <9503250012.AA26728@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Doesn't really have much to do with anything, but I thought I would throw my
two cents worth.
My top 5 the The songs
1. I've been waitin' for tomorrow (all of my life)... musically and lyrically
the best song ever written.
2. The Mercy Beat... another great song with soulful lyrics
3. Gravitate to Me....... A song featuring two of my favorite musicians, Johnny
Marr and Matt Johnson. Yet again, another great song
4. Armageddon Days are Here (Again)... Love the music, love the lyrics, love
the attitude. Basically I love the song.
5. Leap into the Wind.... A song of Pornography of Despair, that I first heard
just last year. The young MJ still had the stuff, even back then.
Another note, I've noticed that when people have mentioned songs they like,
not too many of them are from Soul Mining. Is it just me, or do people like
his other albums better? I know for me, Soul Mining is my all-time fav.
- --
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"My only mission in life is to perplex the Philistines"- Norman Timberwolf
_______________________________________________________________________________
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Best Songs
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 04:05:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503250454.AA197507288@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #1930383 from infected@CS.UChicago.EDU@INET#on 95/03/24 at 14:12
> 5. Leap into the Wind.... A song of Pornography of Despair, that I first
> heard just last year. The young MJ still had the stuff, even back then.
Arghhhh! Where did you hear it, Palmer? That's the one PORNOGRAPHY OF DESPAIR
track that was never officially issued as a b-side.
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From: David Cooper
To: cThe The
Subject: Soul Mining
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:04:45 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:
>Another note, I've noticed that when people have mentioned songs they like,
>not too many of them are from Soul Mining. Is it just me, or do people like
>his other albums better? I know for me, Soul Mining is my all-time fav.
On a The The interview disc Matt states that he knows most people think of
"Soul Mining" as their best but that he thinks "Mind Bomb" is his best so
far(the interview is pre "Dusk"). He also states that he realizes this is
due to people's sentimental feelings about "Soul Mining". That is
basically how I feel. I love "Soul Mining" and would say it is my
favorite but I objectively think "Mind Bomb" is the best The The has put
out (including "Dusk"...which I found a little weak). I grew up in high
school listening to "Soul Mining" and "Burning Blue Soul". There are so
many special memories attached to those albums I can't fairly compare them
to other albums.
Some of my favs:
Bugle Boy
Another Boy Drowning Existential rock at its best.
Uncertain Smile Defines what a beautiful song should sound like.
Giant It has my H.S. yearbook senior quote "How can anyone know me, when I
don't even know myself" Sums up fairly well how I felt at the end
of high school.
August & September The line "was our love to strong to die or were we
just too weak to kill it" is the kind of brutel honesty in a song that I
don't know whether to thank Matt or punch him in the nose for.
later,
dave
David Cooper dcooper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
University of Texas GSBS1079@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
MD Anderson Cancer Ctr Postpunk@aol.com
************** "...hold me, love me, tie me up, and drug me..."**************
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Soul Mining
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 22:32:28 -0500
Message-Id: <950324223050_60459477@aol.com>
soul mining is swell and all, but infected will always be my favorite.
the first the the album i heard, way back long ago, still the best.
out of the blue, angels of deception, and twilight of a champion rule the worl
d, and the jazzy, bluesy, foetus-like music are more musically interesting
than almost anything else matt has put out.
my thoughts and feelings on the whole business. don't much feel like writing
a real critique right now.
pj, the job sucks. email me sometime.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Soul Mining
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:48:49 -0500
Message-Id: <950325024849_60633349@aol.com>
>On a The The interview disc Matt states that he knows most people think of
>"Soul Mining" as their best but that he thinks "Mind Bomb" is his best so
>far(the interview is pre "Dusk"). He also states that he realizes this is
>due to people's sentimental feelings about "Soul Mining". That is basically
>how I feel. I love "Soul Mining" and would say it is my favorite but I
>objectively think "Mind Bomb" is the best The The has put out (including
>"Dusk"...which I found a little weak).
Weird. That's exactly how I feel. Although Mind Bomb was my first album,
Soul Mining is my favorite, and I too have emotional connections with it
because of the time of my life in which I was listening to it. But I
recognize that Mind Bomb is the most complete and mature work, musically.
It's interesting to see how he develops through the albums - from Soul
Mining with intense lyrics and bare (but still catchy) synth backup, to Mind
Bomb and Dusk which I think place more emphasis on the music (especially the
bluesy Dusk) I also agree that Dusk is weaker than the other three - the
music is mature but the lyrics don't quite have the dark "bite" that I'm used
to.
P.s. How can I get a copy of the interview disc?
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Soul Mining
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 09:14:38 EST
Message-Id:
>>On a The The interview disc Matt states that he knows most people think of
>>"Soul Mining" as their best but that he thinks "Mind Bomb" is his best so
>>far(the interview is pre "Dusk"). He also states that he realizes this is
>>due to people's sentimental feelings about "Soul Mining". That is basically
>>how I feel. I love "Soul Mining" and would say it is my favorite but I
>>objectively think "Mind Bomb" is the best The The has put out (including
>>"Dusk"...which I found a little weak).
>
> Weird. That's exactly how I feel. Although Mind Bomb was my first album,
>Soul Mining is my favorite, and I too have emotional connections with it
>because of the time of my life in which I was listening to it. But I
>recognize that Mind Bomb is the most complete and mature work, musically.
> It's interesting to see how he develops through the albums - from Soul
>Mining with intense lyrics and bare (but still catchy) synth backup, to Mind
>Bomb and Dusk which I think place more emphasis on the music (especially the
>bluesy Dusk) I also agree that Dusk is weaker than the other three - the
>music is mature but the lyrics don't quite have the dark "bite" that I'm used
>to.
>
>P.s. How can I get a copy of the interview disc?
The Interview Disk was a limited release that came out in a sort of Double
Set with a promo disk that was like a greatest hits, pre-Dusk, but also
included some new mixes and Jealous of Youth.
BTW, Is not that one of Matt's best songs? I can't figure out why it did
not make it onto Mind Bomb, or was not released earlier.
What do you think?
I agree that Dusk is a little weak, but I have trouble rating any of the
other albums against each other, because the style is so different and I
listened to them under such diverse emotional conditions.
Being new to this list, I'd love to field opinons on Hanky Panky. I think
it was a very interesting direction for the band to take, but I like what
they did with the songs. And hey, it got me to buy a Hank Williams, Sr. CD
to compare, and its really quite good.
Also, I have the paper mailing newsletter, and I watched 120 Minutes, but I
was wondering if any one has more current information on any one of a few
things:
First: Pornography of Despair. Is there some standard answer you can all
give me? I grabbed a couple of songs which I think are from it off a
Kingdom of Rain vinyl single.
Second: Gun Sluts. Does any one know when this is due out (real release
dates: the newlsetter said winter...)?
Third: The video that accompanied Dusk, From Dawn til Dusk (I think?). I
have not seen in anywhere in the states. Thethexxx@aol.com told me to try
to get it from SMV enterprises in England. My local store (at home, not
college) listed it as only on LD. Anybody know anything? Anyone got a
review (maybe versus Infected's video, which I really like)?
Thanks, and its great to be a part of the mailing list!
Dave Jellinek
Haverford College
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From: dchase@unlinfo.unl.edu (douglas chase)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Dusk
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 12:58:35 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <9503251858.AA04411@unlinfo.unl.edu>
Ok, I've heard everybody downplaying Dusk so I thought I'd buck the
trend and stand up for it. I think it's his best album to date. I
must agree though that the first few times I heard it, I thought it
was a bit weak, but after I listened to it quite a few times, the
songs really began to speak to me. I think that lyrically, this is a
great album, and the musically, it is unbeatable. The songs, on the
surface, seem poppy, but the emotions are just as deep and dark as
anything else. Some examples, and I'll try not to quote the entire
album:
Take True Happiness... talk about honesty! I'd be very surprised
if every one of you hasn't felt like this at some point.
Or This Is The Night:
"How many whores have walked throught that door
Lain by my side and climbed in my mind
And taken me down to where the heat
blisters the skin upon my feet
makes me reach out and weep
for the days when I was pure of heart and slept in peace"
Wow! If anyone can identify with Out Of The Blue, you can surely
identify with this.
Along the same lines is Bluer Than Midnight:
"I ask myself where does lust come from
Is it something to yield to or be overcome?"
But I guess there's no reason to quote lyrics to all of you: I'm sure
you all have them memorized too. For pure musical enjoyement, sit
in the dark and listen to Lung Shadows. If you've got decent
speakers or a decent pair of headphones, it's great. There is just so
much depth to the music: everything blends together until you start
really listening, then you can pick out layer upon layer of the music.
Then when the lyrics come in, it is just perfect. They add another
layer to the music, and you can just hear the ache and longing in his
voice. Great song, but very easy to skip over and not notice.
I think my personal favorite on this album is Slow Emotion Replay:
"Everybody knows what's going wrong with the world
I don't even know what's going on in myself"
This is also very similar to GIANT :
"How can anyone know me
When I don't even know myself"
but I think I like S.E.R. better.
As for a question I saw, in an interview with Matt I heard on the
radio, he said that they were going into the studio in May to start
recording Gun Sluts, and it should be out around December or
January. I don't know if that's in the UK or US, we always seem to
get them later.
As a closing, I just want to say that I'm really glad I found this
group. It's great to see other people that have the same wonderful
musical taste that I do. I used to read alt.music.alternative alot,
but all that isis a bunch of idiots sitting around going "Green Day sucks!" "No,
you're an asshole, Greenday is great" "No way, Smashing Pumpkins
kick their ass!" etc, etc. It's great to see some in depth musical
discussion going on here. Later...
dug
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Dusk
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 04:02:27 -0500
Message-Id: <950326040225_61444877@aol.com>
Welcome to the list, glad to have you and I agree with you the discussion is
great, but.....
....sorry I disagree with you on this one.
A lot of times I have a hard time figuring out in what order I like SM, I,
and MB, but Dusk I have no problem with - basically the first three come in
tied for first place and Dusk is after that!
Not to say it isn't a great album, I ran out to get it the day it came out, I
enjoyed it a lot, it's 100 million times better than all the other
psuedo-alternative-grunge out there (sometimes I think alternative should be
divided into Good Stuff I Like, and All the Other Crap) but, I have to say it
pales in comparison to the others.
I will admit that the music is the most mature and developed of the four - I
like the bluesy feel of it - but the lyrics just don't cut it, and there's
something "soft" about the whole album - regardless of the imagery of the
lyrics, a song is a whole more than the sum of its parts, and there just
isn't the "bite" the others have. It's like he lost his edge or something. I
can't quite express what I mean, it's very subjective...I'm fumbling
here...help anyone else who agrees with me...
This is the Night is a good song, but it can in no way compare to Out of the
Blue. The lyrical subtext may be similar, but the feel is totally different.
Slow Emotion Replay and Giant: NO WAY! SER is one of my least favorite tT
songs, while I absolutely adore Giant. Just because Matt repeats favorite
themes does not make songs comparable.
I agree with you about Lung Shadows, but I can think of another activity in
the dark you can do to it besides just listening.....nudge nudge wink
wink.....
All in all great mood music, but not his masterpiece.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Dusk
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:28:00 -0500
Message-Id: <950328222739_64450789@aol.com>
>If you've noticed, he not only recycles themes, but actual lyrics as well.
>Anyone pick that up from Flesh and Bones into a couple of songs, noticeable
>most on Infected? (The cranes are moving on the sky line...).
>Its an interesting tack to take.
Yes....he often repeats lyrics, changing them slightly to fit the song - on In
fected in "Slow Train to Dawn" the lyric "I'm just another western guy with
desires that I can't satisfy" becomes "I was just another Western guy with
desires that couldn't be satisfied" in "Mercy Beat". And then in "Twilight
of a Champion" he says "But I've been thinking of you / In this great city,
of great solitude", which in "Good Morning Beautiful" from Mind Bomb becomes
"For he is thinking of you / In your great cities of great solitude".
>A few posts back someone said that s/he groups the first three albums
>together musically. No. I could not disagree more.
>I think that the could not be more different, and there is a definite
>progression stylistically through the first three broad releases.
I agree - you can see how the music progresses from the synth based "Soul
Mining" to the use of more guitars and harmonicas and finally to the very
bluesy sound of "Dusk". Interestingly enough however, even though they were
synth based, the melodies on Soul Mining were complex (and often he'd have
points in the songs that were just music and no vocals) whereas the closer
you get to Dusk and Hanky Panky they become more spare. Was this because he
got more confidence in his voice? Or maybe because it he was coming off the
all instrumental "Burning Blue Soul."
It was interesting for me, because I heard Soul Mining after Infected and
Mind Bomb, to hear how young his voice sounds on SM (not that that's a bad
thing!)
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From: Tukker Paul J <3pjt@qlink.QueensU.CA>
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Dusk
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 22:34:46 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Tue, 28 Mar 1995 Maraluna@aol.com wrote:
> got more confidence in his voice? Or maybe because it he was coming off the
> all instrumental "Burning Blue Soul."
>
>
"Burning Blue Soul" is all instrumental? I'd swear some bloke was
singing on my copy. And they even threw in a bogus lyric sheet then.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Dusk
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 05:33:05 -0500
Message-Id: <950329053300_64733726@aol.com>
>"Burning Blue Soul" is all instrumental? I'd swear some bloke was
>singing on my copy. And they even threw in a bogus lyric sheet then.
I'm sorry....I should have said "more instrumental" I confess I haven't
listened to my copy that much.....
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Dusk
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 95 10:23:44 EST
Message-Id:
>Welcome to the list, glad to have you and I agree with you the discussion is
>great, but.....
>
>....sorry I disagree with you on this one.
>
>A lot of times I have a hard time figuring out in what order I like SM, I,
>and MB, but Dusk I have no problem with - basically the first three come in
>tied for first place and Dusk is after that!
>
>Not to say it isn't a great album, I ran out to get it the day it came out, I
>enjoyed it a lot, it's 100 million times better than all the other
>psuedo-alternative-grunge out there (sometimes I think alternative should be
>divided into Good Stuff I Like, and All the Other Crap) but, I have to say it
>pales in comparison to the others.
>
>I will admit that the music is the most mature and developed of the four - I
>like the bluesy feel of it - but the lyrics just don't cut it, and there's
>something "soft" about the whole album - regardless of the imagery of the
>lyrics, a song is a whole more than the sum of its parts, and there just
>isn't the "bite" the others have. It's like he lost his edge or something. I
>can't quite express what I mean, it's very subjective...I'm fumbling
>here...help anyone else who agrees with me...
>
>This is the Night is a good song, but it can in no way compare to Out of the
>Blue. The lyrical subtext may be similar, but the feel is totally different.
>
>Slow Emotion Replay and Giant: NO WAY! SER is one of my least favorite tT
>songs, while I absolutely adore Giant. Just because Matt repeats favorite
>themes does not make songs comparable.
>
>I agree with you about Lung Shadows, but I can think of another activity in
>the dark you can do to it besides just listening.....nudge nudge wink
>wink.....
>
>All in all great mood music, but not his masterpiece.
>
If you've noticed, he not only recycles themes, but actual lyrics as well.
Anyone pick that up from Flesh and Bones into a couple of songs, noticeable
most on Infected? (The cranes are moving on the sky line...).
Its an interesting tack to take.
On Dusk: Yes, it is nifty to listen to--it is better than most stuff out
there--but the songs DO lack an edge, or so I think.
I'm wondering if anyone has heard anything about the impending Gun Sluts,
(great name) stylistically.
A few posts back someone said that s/he groups the first three albums
together musically. No. I could not disagree more.
I think that the could not be more different, and there is a definite
progression stylistically through the first three broad releases.
About the dark, and Lung Shadows...well, yes, thats why on the tour he cut
the lights and opened with that.
:-)
Dave
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From: MMOYNIER@middlebury.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: who do we believe
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 14:21:19 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <950325142119.34aad@midd.middlebury.edu>
I posted a message a couple of weeks back about what I
heard on Rock Over London with Paul Sexton. After a brief
interview, Paul said that the The was headed back into the studio
to start Mine Sluts at the end of that week (the show was on a
Monday evening). Considering that this information was from the
man himself, I tend to believe what I heard on Rock Over London
than what you are getting from the newsletter- which could have
been written a month or so before you received it. I gave them my
damn address and I still haven't received. That's my two cents on
that.
About fave album and songs, I would like to defend Mind
Bomb as well. I think that it is the most intellectually
challenging album. Personally, if the lyrics don't make me
reconsider beliefs, then they're hinder and even detract from the
music. Maybe I should just read some philosophy, but that
wouldn't be as fun. :) Later.
Mark
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From: David Cooper
To: The The
Subject: Interview disc
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 16:39:47 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:
The interview disc I have is called "The The Alive: Interview and Live
Music". It was a radio promo disc around Mind Bomb time. It has four
live tracks from a Sydney, Australia show including a nice version of
"Beyond Love". If anybody can't find it and wants a tape dub drop me some
email and I can make some.
Jealous Of Youth is a great song. "Lusty as a dog" has always been a
favorite line of mine. Woof!
David Cooper dcooper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
University of Texas GSBS1079@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
MD Anderson Cancer Ctr Postpunk@aol.com
************** "...hold me, love me, tie me up, and drug me..."**************
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Come moonshine or fog
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 18:18:12 EST
Message-Id:
Does everyone out there know Jealous of Youth?
Has everyone heard the live version on the Dogs of Lust CD-Single pack
thingy with the AMAZING version (harmonica solo) of Beyond Love?
If you don't write me and we can set something up--a tape or over the phone.
Dave
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Palmer Peterson
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 20:39:16 -0600
Message-Id: <199503260239.UAA03684@cs.uchicago.edu>
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934) -------
From: Palmer Peterson
To: behfar@CS.UChicago.EDU
Subject: Re: Best Songs
>Reply: Item #1930383 from infected@CS.UChicago.EDU@INET#on 95/03/24 at 14:12
> > 5. Leap into the Wind.... A song of Pornography of Despair, that
> I first > heard just last year. The young MJ still had the stuff,
> even back then.
>
>
>Arghhhh! Where did you hear it, Palmer? That's the one PORNOGRAPHY
>OF DESPAIR track that was never officially issued as a b-side.
I got it from a friend. At the risk of getting him pissed off, it was a former
roommate of mine who frequents this and the AOL board. Sorry that's all the
info I can divulge at this time.
- - --
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"My only mission in life is to perplex the Philistines"- Norman Timberwolf
_______________________________________________________________________________
- ------- end -------
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Palmer Peterson
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 23:25:35 -0600
Message-Id: <199503290525.XAA13399@cs.uchicago.edu>
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934) -------
From: Palmer Peterson
To: behfar@CS.UChicago.EDU
Subject: Re: crap
Ahhh! What about Rush?
- - --
- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"My only mission in life is to perplex the Philistines"- Norman Timberwolf
_______________________________________________________________________________
- ------- end -------
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Pa...
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 22:39:52 -0500
Message-Id: <950325223721_61282029@aol.com>
poor palmer j could never piss me off. i love him like a cousin. my
delightful housemate from school....
of course he got it from me.
i think that was on the double 7" of this is the day, let me go check....
yup, this is the day, mental healing process, leap into the wind, and
absolute liberation. just stumbled over it one day.
are you sure you ain't confused, benjamin? it is on the discography you sent
me.
if this is missing, let me know...
by the way, i think that the the alive disc is a rip off. bad quality, etc.
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: Hirschdave@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Pa...
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 01:54:41 -0500
Message-Id: <950326015440_61405219@aol.com>
i KNEW it was you dave! partly b/c i knew you had that song. and partly b/c
i'm brilliant, and psychic. ha ha.
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From: Brandon K Snavely
To: The The Mailing List
Subject: new vs. old
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 22:58:30 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
Just to add my opinion to the conversation....I find that I prefer the
newer sound. DUSK is my favorite album, with "Love ISTD", "This is the
Night", "Slow Emot. Replay", and "Lonely Planet" being my favorite tracks
from that album. (Actually, there isn't a song on that album that I
don't enjoy listening to).
I consider DUSK, SOITUDE, and HANKY PANKY to have what I call the
"newer" The The sound. MIND BOMB, INFECTED, and SOUL MINING have what I
consider to be the "older" the the sound. You can really hear a
difference between Mind Bomb-era stuff and Dusk-era stuff---maybe it's
the increased use of the hammond organ, with less synths and drum
machines being used on the albums. Burning Blue Soul, although good,
doesn't sound like any other The The stuff imo.....I think Matt hadn't
quite found the sound yet (and understandably so!).
I think the sound of The The's albums solidified at about the time the
band's lineup solidified. I'm very curious as to how Gun Sluts will
sound without Johnny Marr. Is there going to be a new permanant
guitarist, or is Matt going to play all of the guitar?
Also, this question is for the Johnny Marr fans out there: Do you have
any info on when the new Electronic album is due out?
Freeze
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
* (Brandon K. Snavely ; email bksst6+@pitt.edu or rddh60c@prodigy.com) *
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
* "I'm hanging on your words, "All the thoughts unuttered, *
* living on your breath, and all the feelings unexpressed, *
* feeling with your skin. play upon our hearts *
* Will I always be here?" like the mist upon our breath." *
* -Martin Gore of Depeche Mode -Matt Johnson of The The *
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
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From: Brandon K Snavely
To: The The Mailing List
Subject: band list
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:04:00 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
I'm curious as to the top ten band lists of the members of
"Infected." Here are my top ten bands. Please post your list.
1. Depeche Mode
2. Pink Floyd (w/ Dave Gilmour's and Roger Waters' solo albums)
3. XTC (also, the Dukes of Stratosphere e.p.'s)
4. The Smiths (w/ some of Morrissey's solo stuff)
5. The Cure
6. The The
7. Suede (or The London Suede...whatever there official name is now)
8. Matthew Sweet
9. King Crimson
10. Pet Shop Boys
Freeze
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
* (Brandon K. Snavely ; email bksst6+@pitt.edu or rddh60c@prodigy.com) *
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
* "I'm hanging on your words, "All the thoughts unuttered, *
* living on your breath, and all the feelings unexpressed, *
* feeling with your skin. play upon our hearts *
* Will I always be here?" like the mist upon our breath." *
* -Martin Gore of Depeche Mode -Matt Johnson of The The *
*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*
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From: Denny Winkler
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:30:18 MST
Message-ID: <0098DF5A.05549660.134@hg.uleth.ca>
OK here's my list despite my gut feelings...
the The
Duran Duran
Queen
Jimi Hendrix
Big Sugar
Jeff Buckley
Santana
Talk Talk
Bobby McFerrin
Rheostatics/Dave Matthews Band
I'm amazed how the people's taste of music is so similar on this list! (not
including mine though...)
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"You'll never have
a quiet world till you knock
the patriotism
out of the human race"
- -George Bernard Shaw
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 95 05:23:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503260549.AA079506983@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #7801719 from infected@CS.UChicago.EDU@INET#on 95/03/25 at 18:04
Good enough question!
Okay, here goes, in no particular order.
1) The Chameleons
2) the The
3) Robyn Hitchcock
4) Julian Cope
5) Porcupine Tree
6) Pink Floyd
7) Frank Zappa
8) The Beatles
9) The Damned
10) Led Zeppelin
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From: Julie DoBias
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 19:11:12 -0500
Message-Id: <199503270011.TAA18762@tsunami.cs.odu.edu>
Here's mine in no particular order:
The Smith's/ Morrissey
Kitchens of Distinction
The The
Chapterhouse
REM
The Cure
Neds Atomic Dustbin
Yes
New Order
The Wedding Present
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: band list
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 17:03:06 -0600
Message-Id: <199503272303.RAA06595@cs.uchicago.edu>
here are the ones currently lying around in my room:
the The
new model army
smiths
queensryche
the clash
!!
behfar
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 04:26:11 -0500
Message-Id: <950326042608_61449728@aol.com>
Just off the top of my head, not really in order:
1. the The
2. Tori Amos
3. Smashing Pumpkins
4. The Cure
5. Indigo Girls
6. REM
7. Depeche Mode
8. Nirvana
9. 10,000 Maniacs
10. The Wonderstuff
Other bands I like - Morrissey, Modern English, Electric, Portishead,
the Doors, the Moody Blues, Peter Murphy.....
New poll - what's everyone's favorite song from each of the albums that they
have?
My picks are:
SM: That Sinking Feeling
Infected: Out of the Blue
Mind Bomb: Beyond Love
Dusk: Sodium Light Baby
HP: Six More Miles
BTW, did anyone else notice how "I Can't Escape From You" is a song on Hanky
Panky but also a line in Sodium Light Baby?
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 04:28:48 -0500
Message-Id: <950326042848_61450254@aol.com>
Radams writes:
>1) The Chameleons
>2) the The
>3) Robyn Hitchcock
>4) Julian Cope
>5) Porcupine Tree
>6) Pink Floyd
>7) Frank Zappa
>8) The Beatles
>9) The Damned
>10) Led Zeppelin>>
.....and it just reminds me of all the bands I forgot!!!!! How can anyone
pick just ten?!!!!!!!
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From: Higsby@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:41:45 -0500
Message-Id: <950326174145_61851974@aol.com>
My top ten(ish)
1) Depeche Mode
2) The The
3) Cocteau Twins
4) Beatles
5-9) Jesus And Mary Chain, English Beat, The Fixx, They Might Be Giants,
New Order
10) Loved By Monkeys (They don't exist yet, but when I start my band, this
is what they'll be called)
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From: "JOEL A. YANOVICH"
To: Higsby@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:05:21 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
Well, I guess I might as well my top 10 list:
1) Smiths/Morrissey
2) Joy Division
3) Human Drama
4) The The
5) Cure
6) NIN
7) Bauhaus and Peter Murphy (not including latest album)
8) Pixies
9) Guns n' Roses(just kidding)
10) Sisters of Mercy
Joel
jyanovic@osf1.gmu.edu
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From: Imus@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: band list
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 02:53:54 -0500
Message-Id: <950328025352_63511681@aol.com>
Ok here goes my top ten hopefully in order of importance.
1. THE THE or should I say Matt Johnson because I loved Matt's music long
before Johnnie Marr had anything to do with The The and long after he will.
2. SPARKS - the second greatest band on the planet the Mael brothers have
been at it for almost 25 years now and there newest Gratutious Sax & Sensless
Violins proves once again they are one of the best.
3. JOE JACKSON - He is another true genius like Matt, most people wrote him
off but he is still creating great music.
4. JIMI HENDRIX - Nuff Said !
5. ROLAND KIRK - One of the most gifted Jazz musicians of the 20th century.
How many people do you know that could play 3 Saxs at once and a Flute
through his nose and play all in perfect pitch at the same time this is true
I have it on film.
6. TIM BUCKLEY - A true original !
7. LES PAUL - He wrote the book on Guitar give his video tape a look
you might learn something.
8. JAMES BROWN - More than just the hardest working man in showbusiness but
you haven't lived until you have seen James Brown
live he creates more energy than any 10 Grunge Bands.
9. BOB MARLEY - A true visionary.
10. BEATLES - no list would be complete with out them.
Well here is my list, jeeze after looking at thos last 15 or so list I feel
really Old and I'm only 35. As someone else said they do all seem the same.
Thanks for letting me ramble. And know I am not trying to offend anyone but
groups like The Cranberries COMON !!!!!
Imus
------------------------------
From: nganon
To: Infected
Subject: band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 14:51:41 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
The Cure
Joy Division
the The
Nirvana
Fugazi
The Posies
The Gits
Nine Inch Nails
Husker Du
Tori Amos
That's it, at least for today. My list changes constantly, but this is
the boiled down, no added fat version. For what it's worth!
-nganon-
******************************************************************************
nganon@crl.com I scream, you're nothing
I don't need you anymore
Your nothing, It fades and spins...
Sing out loud, We all die
Laughing into the fire
Is it always like this? -R. Smith-
******************************************************************************
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Pa.
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 95 15:25:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503261547.AA271122860@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #8687512 from infected@CS.UChicago.EDU@INET#on 95/03/25 at 20:54
Dave:
Yeah, dammit, you're right, buddy! And I even _have_ "Leap into the Wind" on a
tape around here somewhere. Sigh. So which song is it that was left off the
b-sides> I'll have to go check my discography, I guess.
------------------------------
From: David Cooper
To: The The
Subject: Band list ...
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:25:42 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:
Here's my top ten in no particular order:
1. The The
2. The Chameleons
3. The House of Love
4. The Clash
5. Joy Division
6. REM
7. Dead Can Dance
8. Spacemen 3
9. The Velvet Underground
10. Kronos
On Dusk: I found the songs a little too catchy and the lyrics bordering
on sappy (sometimes). I can expound on it more later but I have a
proposal due tomorrow that my career depends on.
later,
David Cooper dcooper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu
University of Texas GSBS1079@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
MD Anderson Cancer Ctr Postpunk@aol.com
************** "...hold me, love me, tie me up, and drug me..."**************
------------------------------
From: Denny Winkler
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Band list
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:26:23 MST
Message-ID: <0098DF59.7903DF40.898@hg.uleth.ca>
Well here is my band list but it's terribly different from the rest of the
peoples I've seen so far (which are almost identical, which is amazing!):
Duran Duran
Queen
the The
Jimi Hendrix
Big31g>$I? - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"You'll never have
a quiet world till you knock
the patriotism
out of the human race"
- -George Bernard Shaw
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Band list
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 05:31:54 -0500
Message-Id: <950329053152_64733492@aol.com>
>"You'll never have
>a quiet world till you knock
>the patriotism
>out of the human race"
>- -George Bernard Shaw
Wow....great quote. Shaw always does seem to have a quote for every
occaision.
------------------------------
From: Paul Spiers
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Paul's Dodgy Top Ten Bands
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 10:53:59 +0000
Message-Id:
Age is creeping up on me as you can see from my list.
Current Top 10
1. The The
2. Xymox
3. Cranberries
4. Blur
5. Silencers
6. Blue Nile
7. Morissey
8. Human League
9. Beautiful South
10.Rainbirds
All Time top 10
1.= The The
1.= Smiths
3. Danny Wilson
4. Joy Division /New Order
5. Housemartins
6. Xymox
7. Buzzcocks
8. Magazine
9. Stranglers
10.Cockteau Twins
I could probably have given you a top 100 remembereing all the bands
I've left out.
Cheers
Paul
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From: ESPrice@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: My top 10
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:24:45 -0500
Message-Id: <950327112444_62556875@aol.com>
In no particular order, my top 10 artist or group:
The Style Council
Joe Jackson
the The
Heaven 17
Howard Jones
Blue Nile
The Smiths
ABC
China Crisis
Railway Children
- -Evan
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From: Tukker Paul J <3pjt@qlink.QueensU.CA>
To: infected
Subject: bands
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 13:24:46 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
ask and ye shall be given......
in no particular order,
1. Moose
2. Felt
3. Pale Fountains/Shack
4. Trash Can Sinatras
5. boo radleys
6. the The
about fifty other bands tied for 7th, none of which are Queen, Duran
Duran, or Nine Inch Nails.
------------------------------
From: rfd@buclaa.bu.edu (Richard F. Delano)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: ten bands
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:31:23 -0500
Message-Id: <9503271831.AA23381@buclaa.bu.edu>
Oh what the hell, here are ten bands/artists that are usually among my
top ten faves of all time.
1) The Beatles
2) Buzzcocks
3) the The
4) Clash
5) Bob Mould/Husker Du/Sugar
6) Crowded House/Split Enz
7) The Church
8) Jesus and Mary Chain
9) Midnight Oil
10) Adam Ant (oh, what the hell! I can admit it here) :)
Rich
Boston Univ.
------------------------------
From: Kisschase@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: lists
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:21:42 -0500
Message-Id: <950327162140_62841106@aol.com>
Well, here's a few of my lists:
favorite The The album tracks (in no particular order)
Soul Mining
Gravitate to Me
Uncertain Smile
Another Boy Drowning (especially the "Shades of Blue" version)
Infected
Long Gone Daddy
favorite non-album The The tracks
Jealous of Youth
Controversial Subject
Flesh & Bones
Three Orange Kisses From Kazan
Angel
least favorite The The tracks
Dogs of Lust (someone please kill that intro harmonica!)
Armageddon Days are Here (again)
I've Been Waiting For Tomorrow
Dumb as Death's Head
favorite bands other than The The
(I generally like moody music)
Slowdive
Lush
Harold Budd
New Order
Depeche Mode
Duran Duran (that'll make Matt cringe!)
The Cure
Talk Talk (did they break up?)
Pet Shop Boys (he's cringing again)
Cocteau Twins
Nine Inch Nails (oh hell, he's probably cringing at the whole list!)
Hey, does anyone happen to know if the US promo CD has the same non-album
tracks as the UK CD single for "I Saw the Light?" And could someone
enlighten me as to why Rendad is threatening to shut down the AOL list? I've
never seen any terribly inappropriate behavior there!
James
------------------------------
From: dchase@unlinfo.unl.edu (douglas chase)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: lists
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:15:29 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <9503272215.AA28032@unlinfo.unl.edu>
:Hey, does anyone happen to know if the US promo CD has the same
:non-album
:tracks as the UK CD single for "I Saw the Light?" And could someone
:enlighten me as to why Rendad is threatening to shut down the AOL
:list? I've
:never seen any terribly inappropriate behavior there!
:
:James
The US single has:
I saw the light
I'm Free At Last (my personal favorite of the whole Hank thing)
Someday You'll Call My Name
There's No Room In My Heart (For The Blues)
What does the UK single have?
Hope this helps
dug
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From: Kisschase@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: lists
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:12:55 -0500
Message-Id: <950328121253_63760018@aol.com>
>i suppose i am still thinking of my favorite bands, but the list won't be
>filled with duran duran and depeche mode, i promise.
Ooo, god forbid, not poppy synth bands...
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: not on porno
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 21:54:26 -0500
Message-Id: <950327215424_63253650@aol.com>
i think absolute liberation 2 is left off, after that, i can't remember.
well, i was indeed the happy camper recently. i found the marc and the
mambas cd. this little thing had been taped for me a few weeks ago by a nice
old man, but it was great to buy. if you don't know what i am talking about,
the cd is called "untitled", marc is marc almond, and several tracks are
either written by or feature music done by matt johnson. this is from 82 i
think, and the music is is similar to the porno of despair stuff or burning
blue soul. neat-o!
------------------------------
From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on porno
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 15:58:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503291620.AA191264028@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #3964844 from infected@CS.UChicago.EDU@INET#on 95/03/29 at 00:32
Maraluna writes:
> Who's the "old Man"......R.Adams?
Nah, it's not me. I used to own the "Untitled" album on vinyl but an
ex-girlfriend stole it. I'm glad to know it's available on CD!
------------------------------
From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on porno
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 05:32:43 -0500
Message-Id: <950329053242_64733649@aol.com>
Hirschdave writes:
>i found the marc and the mambas cd. this little thing had been taped for
>me a few weeks ago by a nice old man, but it was great to buy. if you don't
>know what i am talking about, the cd is called "untitled", marc is marc
>almond, and several tracks are either written by or feature music done by
>matt johnson.
Cool! I'll have to find this since I'm also a Marc Almond fan....Matt seems
to know everybody.....Neneh Cherry, Sinead O'Connor, of course Johnny Marr,
etc...they must all hang out together or something.
Who's the "old Man"......R.Adams?
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on porno
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:26:32 -0500
Message-Id: <950329142629_65096043@aol.com>
curse the evil ex-girlfriends!
------------------------------
From: "JOEL A. YANOVICH"
To: Hirschdave@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on porno
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:43:04 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Wed, 29 Mar 1995 Hirschdave@aol.com wrote:
> curse the evil ex-girlfriends!
>
Yes, curse them all to Hell!
------------------------------
From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on porno
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:03:38 -0500
Message-Id: <950329220335_65636222@aol.com>
the same could be said about boys my friends!
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not on porno
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 03:55:31 -0500
Message-Id: <950330035530_65898054@aol.com>
R.Adams writes:
>Nah, it's not me. I used to own the "Untitled" album on vinyl but an
>ex-girlfriend stole it. I'm glad to know it's available on CD!
I used to own a 12 inch of The the vs. the World with two versions of Kingdom
of Rain and flesh & bones and some other really good song which I can't
remember the name of, until an ex-boyfriend stole it.
Hmmm.....a conspiracy?
Anyways, what's on the "Untitled" album?
------------------------------
From: "Robinson, Willard "
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: extra tracks on import cds
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:25:03 EST
Message-Id: <83CBDA1DF2@mppm.som.yale.edu>
Could some kind soul tell me what the extra tracks on the non-US
versions of the The cds are? I have the UK infected and it has four
(five?) remixes on it. But as far as the other cds go, I did not
know that they posessed extra tracks (although I do have the Soul
Mining import with complete lyrics).
Other than that, anyone into cd boots - there are three that I know of
(and have)
1) Save Me (KTS - from the last tour)
2) I forget the name of this one - it is pretty common - also from
last tour (drawing of a doll on the cover)
3) the The vs. The World (double cd japanese cd boot, _very_
rare)
Other than that, there the 'the The vs. The World' and 'Alive' promos
are pretty rare (I actually see 'Alive' but haven't seen the other in
quite some time...)
Will
PS: anyone know what happend to the Blue Nile (do they still exist)
(top bands would be NiN, Smiths, Propaganda, Blue Nile, It's
Immaterial, DM, Foetus, Floyd)
------------------------------
From: Paul Spiers
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: extra tracks on import cds
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:56:53 +0000
Message-Id:
> From: "Robinson, Willard "
>
> PS: anyone know what happend to the Blue Nile (do they still exist)
>
I'm sure they do, it just seems to take them around five years to
record a new album.
> (top bands would be NiN, Smiths, Propaganda, Blue Nile, It's
> Immaterial, DM, Foetus, Floyd)
>
Propaganda, It's Immaterial, damn, I knew I left someone out!
Paul
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: crap
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:53:11 -0500
Message-Id: <950328095310_63633629@aol.com>
yesterday i was a salesman, until i quit that retail bit.....what the hell
ever happened to its immaterial? that guy had a great voice.
i suppose i am still thinking of my favorite bands, but the list won't be
filled with duran duran and depeche mode, i promise.
------------------------------
From: RB102155@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The collectables
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:29:40 -0500
Message-Id: <950328102938_63664660@aol.com>
A store here in Royal Oak, MI Has all the The videos and lots more! One of
the owners has what must be the biggest collection of the The stuff there is.
Call Them at 810.398.4436 if you are looking for anything. They also have the
2-10"'s and the The The vs. Hank promos. There is also a two cd set in a wood
box that I got there. RB
------------------------------
From: The Love Martyr
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Cc: The Love Martyr
Subject: The Mambas and other bands
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:12:48 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
Gratuitous list of bands first:
(in a rough order of brilliance)
1) Marc Almond/Soft Cell
2) Morrissey/Smiths
3) Suede
4) Matt Johnson, et al
* Warning: British Fag Rock Section Ahead *
5) Pet Shop Boys
6) Boy George (late solo stuff)
7) Erasure
And then a lot of other bands whom I'll just listen to a couple times a
month.
******************** Anyhow *************************
I didn't reallly want to do that, I just wanted to put in a plug for Marc
Almond. No one seems to like him. Everyone I know starts going into
convulsions when I put on one of his cds -- they're just scared of the
truth, I think. With that said, though, I still would like to plug him.
For The The fans, his mid-career albums, immediately post-Soft Cell
should be great...'Untitled' as already mentioned and 'Mother Fist' is
really good. Angrier stuff is earlier (Soft Cell) -- even NIN covered
'Memorabilia'. More Glam or culturally diverse stuff is later. Well,
that's my rant.
ObTheThe: Matt Johnson worked with Mr. Almond...
and also, I'm pretty disappointed by Hanky Panky. There is no substance
to Mr. Williams' music lyrically. He seems to be able to throw a good
line out here and there, but I can't imagine it moving anyone who wasn't
already drinking to get over a lost lover.
cable.
//////I'm gonna fly away on these wings I made out of sorrows I threw away.
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: latest purchase
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:48:34 -0500
Message-Id: <950328154832_63965830@aol.com>
so today i bought the THE THE vs. HANK cd. i already had all the hank
tracks, but it was a neat cd with a lovely cover. i saw that wooden box
thing, but there is really only so many times i can buy the same album....
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: hanks lyrics
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:58:03 -0500
Message-Id: <950328165751_64039155@aol.com>
if you doubt hank's lyrical abilities, we were listening to different albums.
i saw the light, i can't escape from you, and everything else on there is
far beyond an average ability.for a country boy with limited education his
imagery is beautifu, both biblical and personal.
and the only decent lyrics marc almond ever sang were written by someone
else, but i would never want to attempt to compare the two.
(cable you got this twice, my fault)
------------------------------
From: The Love Martyr
To: The Love Martyr
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: gutter heart
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:38:37 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
Hirschdave@aol.com wrote:
if you doubt hank's lyrical abilities, we were listening to different albums.
i saw the light, i can't escape from you, and everything else on there is
far beyond an average ability.for a country boy with limited education his
imagery is beautifu, both biblical and personal.
and the only decent lyrics marc almond ever sang were written by someone
else, but i would never want to attempt to compare the two.
I am writing:
In my attempt to keep my message short, I fear that I left out a better
explanation of why Williams' music didn't do anything for me. In
general, I find it cultural (also why I think Marc Almond is great). I
am a city boy. I believe in cities and the opportunities and alienation
which cities possess. I'm the sort of person who goes to a party,
socializes and mingles, then goes home alone. I do not sit alone
wallowing in the misery of existence and the past without simultaneously
attempting to change it. Even though I like Morrissey, he is about
solitude and alienation. I think HWSr. is similar. Marc Almond is about
being accepted and feeling alienated from those people -- 'cause so much
of life's pretenses are lies to help us cope with what reality is... and
so on, etc. I don't get the idea of getting drunk alone over a lost
lover. I do get the idea of going out, getting smashed and waking up
with some form of VD.... if that's not too explicit.
Anyhow, I didn't mean to say that HWSr. is worthless, just that he
doesn't do it for me... as if anyone really cares what I think.
cable.
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 21:50:40 -0500
Message-Id: <950328215030_64401056@aol.com>
ok cable, all is forgiven.
and cable, everyone cares about what you think.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 05:33:06 -0500
Message-Id: <950329053304_64733735@aol.com>
The Love Martyr writes:
>Marc Almond is about being accepted and feeling alienated from those people
>- -- 'cause so much of life's pretenses are lies to help us cope with what
>reality is... and so on, etc. I don't get the idea of getting drunk alone
>over a lost lover. I do get the idea of going out, getting smashed and waking
> up with some form of VD....
So....you must be a big fan of the song "Out of the Blue"!!!!!!!
------------------------------
From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:04:12 -0500
Message-Id: <950329220333_65636194@aol.com>
ok dave, i have to call you on this. i don't remember exactly what you said
about marc almond but it was not positive. and at the same time you are
really excited about buying a marc and the mambas album.
contradicting yourself aren't you?
amy
------------------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:44:06 -0500
Message-Id: <950329224404_65674129@aol.com>
as i should have made clear, i couldn't give a flying fuck either way for
marc almond, but matt johnson is really swell. the only reason i had to buy
the album. again, songs written and co-written by matt, and a substantial
amount of music by him.
and i really don't care about marc almond. i just consider him a fair with a
whiny voice. if people like him, they have their reasons. i like plenty of
bands people consider lame.
so maybe i shouldn't have ranked on the guy, but i guess i was defending
hank.
GOT IT AMY???
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From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 23:19:50 -0500
Message-Id: <950329231948_65708859@aol.com>
jeeez dave RELAX! now you're the one who needs the chill pill. i won't ever
doubt you again. promise.
------------------------------
From: AmyCal@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:44:43 -0500
Message-Id: <950330014443_65841584@aol.com>
i need to clear something up. my message about relaxing goes out to dave
hirsch. end of that story. let's make no mention of it again. my apologies
to any other daves on the list.
------------------------------
From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: AmyCal@aol.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: gutter heart
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:48:17 EST
Message-Id:
At 1:44 AM 3/30/95, AmyCal@aol.com wrote:
>i need to clear something up. my message about relaxing goes out to dave
>hirsch. end of that story. let's make no mention of it again. my apologies
>to any other daves on the list.
Its ok.
>From now one, lets come up with really elaborate codenames that no one can
remember anyway.
:-)
Dave (DJ?)
djelline@haverford.edu
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: bands and more bands
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 05:32:04 -0500
Message-Id: <950329053203_64733509@aol.com>
I know this is stupid, but I'm not at all happy with what I put the first
time I posted.....I just rattled off a bunch of stuff off the top of my head
without thinking.
So now, with more thought...
1. the The
2. Tori Amos
3. The Beatles
4. Pixies
5. The Cure
6. Crowded House
7. Mission UK
8. The Wonderstuff
9. Depeche Mode
10. REM/u2
Based mostly on what bands I have the most albums for, attended concerts and
obsessed over....
I have of course a million other bands that come to mind but that's what I
have to limit it to. And whoever said Adam Ant, don't be ashamed.....a lot
of bands wouldn't be around without him....silly as some people may see him to
be, he was a pioneer...
It's good to see so many people posting about their bands...that means
there's a lot of lurkers out there, or people just signed on the the
list.....
------------------------------
From: "JOEL A. YANOVICH"
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: bands and more bands
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:38:12 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Wed, 29 Mar 1995 Maraluna@aol.com wrote:
> I know this is stupid, but I'm not at all happy with what I put the first
> time I posted.....I just rattled off a bunch of stuff off the top of my head
> without thinking.
>
> So now, with more thought...
>
> 1. the The
> 2. Tori Amos
> 3. The Beatles
> 4. Pixies
> 5. The Cure
> 6. Crowded House
> 7. Mission UK
> 8. The Wonderstuff
> 9. Depeche Mode
> 10. REM/u2
>
> Based mostly on what bands I have the most albums for, attended concerts and
> obsessed over....
>
> I have of course a million other bands that come to mind but that's what I
> have to limit it to. And whoever said Adam Ant, don't be ashamed.....a lot
> of bands wouldn't be around without him....silly as some people may see him to
> be, he was a pioneer...
>
> It's good to see so many people posting about their bands...that means
> there's a lot of lurkers out there, or people just signed on the the
> list.....
>
I don't get this anti-Adam Ant thing either. I may not be a big fan of
him, but I do have a great deal of respect for the man. Just the other
day, one of my musicly-incompetant roommates told me that she heard the
new Peter Murphy single and said "It sucks. It sounds like Adam Ant or
something." Aside from the fact that I LIKE the new Murphy single, I
think her comparison was silly...Ok, I realize this has nothing to do
with The The, but I had to give my imput on the Ant man.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: my big list.
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:16:29 -0500
Message-Id: <950329101627_64876074@aol.com>
you know how i feel about Rush, pj.
the band and the man.
i don't think i can narrow this down to 10, and i am sure i am forgetting
something huge, but i will make an attempt.
no order, except with number 1.
1. the the--what more can i say.
2. nick cave--absolute darkness, total camp, more fun and nasty than all the
rest. a lounge singer with a really big axe. the coolest man in the world.
3. nick drake--late sixties, early seventies semi folk music. the most
depressed human to ever live. he writes the songs that make the grown men
cry. then he killed himself.
4. lyle lovett--anyone who sneers and says yuck, country music, has never
heard the guy. a beautiful voice, and fantastic song writing skills.
dangerously funny and touching. and not country music, either.
5. sinead o'connor--love her. is only she would stop denying our love and
marry me. the greatest living voice. too bad she is nuts.
6. elvis presley--again, i am expecting sneers. shove it up your ass. the
music he did in the fifties at sun studio is better than anything else the
world has produced since. i would be happy to debate his influence and
importance, and his talent.
7. lou reed/velvet underground--i don't need to do heroin and live on the
streets, i can live through lou. any doubters should listen to lou's song
"street hassle", and remember it is a true story. all alternative music
stretches through lou reed at some point.
8. U2--fuck you if you hate them because they have a million fans.
consistent greatness for 16 years.
9. bruce springsteen--the decade of the 70's belonged to the man, and people
are finally catching up. listen to lame ass sheryl crow or counting crows
for proof. america's great story teller. listen to wild, innocent and e
street shuffle.
10. pete seeger--mostly for his 1950's stuff. fantastic banjo, deliberately
downplayed to not obscure the socialist message. single handedly saved
american folk music. why else to love him? asked by congress if he was a
communist, and he refused to answer. not plead the fifth, just not answer.
so they try to throw him in jail, and he puts out his most communist album
next.
11. woody guthrie--another genius. uneducated poet, like hank williams.
12. beach boys--the first real studio pioneers. godd vibrations took 6
months to record. easy to dismiss as fluff, but they changed the entire
conventions of pop music.
13. traffic--jazz, folk, blues and art-rock all in one. please ignore the
album that came out last year.
then there is a whole bunch of people on their way to being favorites, they
just haven't done enough stuff yet.
on that list would be--
1. beck--listen to his K records album.
2. grifters--the best southern rock band since....
3. lisa germano--can't sing for shit, but she is brilliant.
4. mercury rev.
5. palace brothers--kentucky misery.
6. seam
7. shudder to think--DC's finest.
well folks, sorry to clog your mail boxes, just had to put in my 2 cents,
etc.
oh yeah, different old man. there are so many of them around here.
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From: Palmer Peterson
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Joke
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:55:32 -0500
Message-Id: <9503291655.AA05562@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Just so you know, my previous message was in respons to Dave Hirsch's comment
about no Depeche Mode and Duran Duran on his list. It's a joke. I hate rush
with a passion, thank you.
- --
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"My only mission in life is to perplex the Philistines"- Norman Timberwolf
_______________________________________________________________________________
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From: j
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:39:25 EST
Message-Id: <199503292139.PAA24342@cs.uchicago.edu>
A while back I posted about making a tape of rare/b-side/etc the THE
stuff, that everyone could share. I have recieved numerous contributions,
requests, and suggestions. The tape is being made, using the best sources
I could find, and by using dolby c noise reduction. Some of it, of course,
is from vinyl. It sounds quite good though. I may be expanding it to
two tapes because of the quantity of material. There will be stuff
from Controversial subject to recent material. There are gaps
however. If anyone has ANYTHING that they could put on the tape, please
email me promptly. I am suprised that some people on here did not contrib.
....real nice. Even the bigmouth list is pretty good about that. I
thought that the the THE fans would be better....Anyway, now that
THETHEXXX has unsubed, I can feel a bit better about making the offer
of copies...just email ME...$ for materials, not time/effort, will
be required--but it should be quite SMALL.
About the Fav. the THE songs...quite a lot of good posts.
I would have to say mine is "another boy..." (live)
because it just seems to be the saddest song in the world, ever.
JaY
pkastner@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: j
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 03:16:52 EST
Message-Id: <199503300816.CAA05441@cs.uchicago.edu>
Was just on cdeurope.com....they had, amoung other the THE items:
infected japan
soul mining japan
"bootleg package"
conversations
could someone please give a track listing of the first two
and reviews/opinions on the second two?
JaY
pkastner@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: j , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 08:48:38 EST
Message-Id:
At 3:16 AM 3/30/95, j wrote:
>Was just on cdeurope.com....they had, amoung other the THE items:
>
>infected japan
>soul mining japan
>"bootleg package"
>conversations
>
>could someone please give a track listing of the first two
>and reviews/opinions on the second two?
>
>JaY
>
>
>pkastner@ucs.indiana.edu
Could you mail those to me, as well, please?
Thanks.
Dave
djelline@haverford.edu
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: Gina Greer , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 17:34:04 EST
Message-Id:
>i'm a new subscriber myself. i can't believe that matt's fans could
>actually say some of the things they say. now i believe in free speech
>and all, infact we shouldn't restrict our comments based on the fact that
>someone may be monitoring them.
>
>however . . . if i was matt, i wouldn't want to read those emails either! i
>also believe that the volume may be too much for theThe mgmt. it takes some
>time to read all that mail!
>
Yes, it takes time to read all this mail, but we as fans do it...
Also, why should they not want to hear what we have to say.
All we are doing, really, is anlayzing his work, poring in detail over
something we admire, and enjoy.
Why should they not want to hear what we have to say?
And, as an aside, why is the sysop for the record label mailing server
mailing their unsubscribe note to the mailing list, and not to the
maintainer?
Dave
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From: Gina Greer
To: "David M. Jellinek"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:56:57 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
>
> Yes, it takes time to read all this mail, but we as fans do it...
> Also, why should they not want to hear what we have to say.
> All we are doing, really, is anlayzing his work, poring in detail over
> something we admire, and enjoy.
> Why should they not want to hear what we have to say?
like i said. everyone is entitled to their opinions. i'm sure that
matt is critical enough of his own work--otherwise he wouldn't be so
super ingenious! obviously there is a reason why theThe unsubscribed.
maybe they would like to tell us themselves?
> And, as an aside, why is the sysop for the record label mailing server
> mailing their unsubscribe note to the mailing list, and not to the
> maintainer?
>
you'd have to ask the sys op!
ON A GOOD NOTE TO ALL LOVING FANS! i received notice that theThe will be
appearing on David Letterman! in the near future! yea!!!
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 03:55:46 -0500
Message-Id: <950330035545_65898124@aol.com>
>obviously there is a reason why theThe unsubscribed.
>maybe they would like to tell us themselves?
THETHEXXX gets tons of mail because that address was printed on Hanky Panky,
so they probably decided that mulitple postings about people's favorite bands
was too much!
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From: Gina Greer
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:27:52 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
i agree!
On Thu, 30 Mar 1995 Maraluna@aol.com wrote:
> >obviously there is a reason why theThe unsubscribed.
> >maybe they would like to tell us themselves?
>
> THETHEXXX gets tons of mail because that address was printed on Hanky Panky,
> so they probably decided that mulitple postings about people's favorite bands
> was too much!
>
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:08:23 -0500
Message-Id: <950330080757_65947116@aol.com>
"untitled", by marc and the mambas--------
1. untitled (johnson/almond)
all instruments by matt johnson.
2. empty eyes
electric guitar by matt johnson
3. angels (johnson/almond)
instruments and percussion by matt johnson
9 & 10. twilights and lowlifes (marc and the mambas, which presumably
includes matt johnson)
electric guitar by matt johnson.
by the way, the cd also includes covers of syd barrett and lou reed.
happy now?
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:20:47 -0500
Message-Id: <950330200551_66653262@aol.com>
Yessss.....we were having quite a lively discussion there for a while, until
that band thing started....I'm just as guilty since I posted like three
times....Shall we get the ball rolling again?
Here's a starter>>>> What do you all think is the meaning of the song
Violence of Truth? What do you think is the meaning of the lyrics "what is
it that makes us feel guilty to be white.....while the niggers of this world
are starving with their mouths wide open?" ...this discussion almost got
started before but never got off the ground...I know what I think, but
"youtwo" and I would like to know what the rest of you think....
P.s. Hirschdave - I saw that window sticker you were talking about, at our
local Tower Records, but as the occaision was them shutting the door in my
face as I was trying to return a video at 11:59 pm, which made me wish I had
a nice bomb to throw in their self-satisfied Tower-employee-faces, I didn't
quite have a chance to ask for it. It would be a lost cause anyways....I'm
sure one of their ultra-hip employees laid claim on it 3 weeks before it got
there.....
Bitter? Nah!!!
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From: "JOEL A. YANOVICH"
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:05:36 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
On Thu, 30 Mar 1995 Maraluna@aol.com wrote:
> Here's a starter>>>> What do you all think is the meaning of the song
> Violence of Truth? What do you think is the meaning of the lyrics "what is
> it that makes us feel guilty to be white.....while the niggers of this world
> are starving with their mouths wide open?" ...this discussion almost got
> started before but never got off the ground...I know what I think, but
> "youtwo" and I would like to know what the rest of you think....
I always figured it meant that the rich people, a majority of whom are
white, are becoming ashamed of their own wealth because poor people
(that's right, you guessed it...minorities are unpreportianately poor)
are dying on the streets. I always thought this quote was pretty
self-explanatory.
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: unsubcribe
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 95 16:59:20 EST
Message-Id:
At 3:25 PM 3/29/95, THETHEXXX@aol.com wrote:
>unsubcribe
Why is the The's mailing server unsubscribing from our mailing list?
I don't like that at all.
Dave
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: unsubcribe
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 03:55:35 -0500
Message-Id: <950330035533_65898061@aol.com>
>From: THETHEXXX@aol.com
>To: infected@CS.UChicago.EDU
>
>unsubcribe
THETHEXXX has rejected us! Oh woe is us!
Perhaps it was all the band lists crowding their mailbox! Shall we start
discussion the the again? Nah!
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From: Gina Greer
To: Maraluna@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: unsubcribe
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:27:21 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
>
> THETHEXXX has rejected us! Oh woe is us!
>
> Perhaps it was all the band lists crowding their mailbox! Shall we start
> discussion the the again? Nah!
>
YEA!! Isn't that what we are here for? theThe is the one thing we all
agree on, right?
Maybe i'm wrong. i am new to this fanclub and i just might have
expectations. i'll try not to.
how many of us saw theThe at Universal during the dusk tour? let's
discuss!
i was turned on by matt at the "weenie roast" in irvine, ca. from there
i've been a fan-actic!
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: No Subject
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:06:39 -0500
Message-Id: <950329170638_65260580@aol.com>
some of us might have a hell of a lot of stuff, and also might not know what
in particular you are looking for.
what do you have? what do you want? are you working from an accurate
discography, or just guessing?
before accusing the list of not caring, say what you are looking for or what
you have, so that you don't end up with pointless messages. like this one.
------------------------------
From: Gina Greer
To: "David M. Jellinek"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: unsubcribe
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:30:05 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id:
i'm a new subscriber myself. i can't believe that matt's fans could
actually say some of the things they say. now i believe in free speech
and all, infact we shouldn't restrict our comments based on the fact that
someone may be monitoring them.
however . . . if i was matt, i wouldn't want to read those emails either! i
also believe that the volume may be too much for theThe mgmt. it takes some
time to read all that mail!
On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, David M. Jellinek wrote:
> At 3:25 PM 3/29/95, THETHEXXX@aol.com wrote: > >unsubcribe > > Why is the
The's
mailing server unsubscribing from our mailing list? > I don't like that at
all. > > Dave someone may be monitoring them.> however . . . if i was matt, i
wouldn't want to read those emails either!> > i also believe that the volume
may be too much for theThe mgmt. it takes some time to read all that mail!
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: No Subject
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 03:55:41 -0500
Message-Id: <950330035540_65898115@aol.com>
>And, as an aside, why is the sysop for the record label mailing server
>mailing their unsubscribe note to the mailing list, and not to the
>maintainer?
I didn't think of it quite that way! Rendad (Steve Rennie, Matt's manager)
has a habit of threatening to take away stuff, (he's always saying he's going
to shut down the AOL the The folder, even though it's not within his power)
so maybe he just posted it to the list to make us feel bad!
Most likely though, it was a mistake.
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From: Maraluna@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: No Subject
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 19:43:40 -0500
Message-Id: <950330194322_66626769@aol.com>
>Was just on cdeurope.com....they had, amoung other the THE items:
>
>infected japan
>soul mining japan
>"bootleg package"
>conversations
>
>could someone please give a track listing of the first two
>and reviews/opinions on the second two?
I don't know about the last three, but I have the Japanese version of
Infected, and all it is the regular eight tracks on the normal version, then
12 inch remixes of infected, sweet bird of truth, and slow train to dawn.
I'd be interested in knowing more about this "conversations" whatever it is!
JaY
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From: Kisschase@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: an apology
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 21:47:16 -0500
Message-Id: <950329214714_65613542@aol.com>
I just wanted to apologize for putting the Pet Shop Boys on my favorite bands
list. I'm sure that's the reason why THETHEXXX has unsubscribed. It's just
that I really like them though.
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: an apology
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:12:11 -0500
Message-Id: <950329221209_65647284@aol.com>
from now on, blame everything on kisschase.
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From: r.adams7@genie.geis.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: THETHEXXX unsubscribing
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 02:54:00 UTC
Message-Id: <199503300321.AA160343666@relay1.geis.com>
Reply: Item #7788317 from infected@CS.UChicago.EDU@INET#on 95/03/29 at 12:34
djelline@haverford.edu says:
> And, as an aside, why is the sysop for the record label mailing server
> mailing their unsubscribe note to the mailing list, and not to the
> maintainer?
Probably because he doesn't know any better. THETHEXXX is not a server, it's
just an E-mail address on AOL. THETHEXXX is Steve Rennie, Matt's manager, and
he's probably unsubscribed because the cost of receiving all this E-mail got to
be too much for him.
Ben
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu, AmyCal@aol.com
Subject: sorry
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 09:09:39 EST
Message-Id:
If that last message got cut off in translation.
I got two messed up copies--its my mail servers fault, I think, or maybe
the lists (doubtful).
Anyhow.
Sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again (yeah, like what can I do?).
Dave (DJ?)
djelline@haverford.edu
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