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From: cey
To: "'infected'"
Subject: The slow list
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:00:57 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB0A26.DEAAEF80@ppp-mia-43.shadow.net>

All,

I figured it was about time I started the senseless speculation which =
goes along with any release delay. I propose that Matt is waiting for =
Johnny to finish up with the much belated Electronic effort. Also, =
what's this bit about technology? any ideas? Perhaps, Matt's gonna shock =
us with an album with more of the ambience I so love (Arctic Twilight =
and so forth), or maybe he forgot the settings for his vocal reverb ;). =
Can anybody on this list tell me which studio in London Matt owns, and =
if he still does own one, why does'nt he use it?

~Have a Happy
Ian
=20


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: DSKIRKWOOD@TrentU.ca
To: INFECTED@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id: <01I1ZGP8Y7ZM006BYX@TrentU.ca>

Since I'm new at this sort of thing, I have decided that I tell a bit
about my views on The The. The main reason that The The is my favorite
band is because of Matt Johnson's lyrics. My favorite song is Bluer Than
Midnight, but I do think that the best lyrical song is August & September.
I admit that I've only been a The The fan since Dusk came out but I do
have most of their domestic releases. If I could be a song writer like
Matt, I think I'd drop out of school like he did- but university is my
only hope for a future.
O.K. that was probably boring. Are there any other people from Ontario on
this thing? Oh, well that doesn't matter... I don't know many Americans
so I guess I'll meet some now.
Hey, is there any Archers of Loaf fans who also like The The?
shit, I guess this is just me babbling. Take it ease.
dave kirkwood Matt I think I
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From: Kevin Paez
Sender: Kevin Paez
To: ceylon@shadow.net (cey), infected@cs.uchicago.edu ("'infected'")
Subject: re: The slow list
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 23:32:00 -0600
Message-ID: <55882431011A0B00@clearcom.com>

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I am willing to bet that Matt does not care if he has forgotten his 'verb
settings, because he rarely uses revers. He is more likely using some VERY
HEAVY compression, probably a vintage tube kind. And I think he uses an
Eventide Harmonizer, that's what made all those DEEP voices on MIND BOMB. It
also does his Echoes. ;)
I must admit that it is possible that he wants Marr over Schemerhorn, but
The Technology thing is a good story. I am working on a record, and we were
going to use Non linear Editing and Hard Disk Recording on a Power Mac. The
software lost about 24 hours of drum takes. Digidesign makes the stuff, and
they said that they did not support our specific Mac. So we had an Entire
studio built around this rig, thousands invested, only to find that the core
of the rig was faulty. I hear stories like this all the tima. WE decided to
get an 8-track digital recorder instead, and that took us in an entirely new
direction. Sound Familiar? Talk about growing pains....
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>From mail@mhsgate (cey) {ceylon@shadow.net}, on 3/5/96 12:00 AM:
All,

I figured it was about time I started the senseless speculation which goes
along with any release delay. I propose that Matt is waiting for Johnny to
finish up with the much belated Electronic effort. Also, what's this bit
about technology? any ideas? Perhaps, Matt's gonna shock us with an album
with more of the ambience I so love (Arctic Twilight and so forth), or maybe
he forgot the settings for his vocal reverb ;). Can anybody on this list
tell me which studio in London Matt owns, and if he still does own one, why
does'nt he use it?

~Have a Happy
Ian



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: DSKIRKWOOD@TrentU.ca
To: INFECTED@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: tab baby
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 01:56:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id: <01I20224REIA006IG3@TrentU.ca>

I want tab, I'm not talking acid- because the the fans don't do that, they're
too busy thinking about Matt's lyrics.
Anyways, if anyone has tab-gimme
k.
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From: James Bykowy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: This Is the Night
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 00:44:45 -0600 (CST)
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You know, when I first joined this group, I noticed people taking apart
MJ's lyrics alot and I thought these people were a bit excessive. For
the most part, I just listen and enjoy the music. However, I found
myself a victim of my own criticism a while ago, while brooding over the
lyric "In the fading light of this coming night". He's talking about the
fading light. For all you English majors out there (one of which I am
not), the way the sentence is structured sounds like the light belongs to
the night, as it's coming.

He makes it sound like the night has some light. It's like night begins
at 6:00pm or something, while it's still light out, kind of like how for
daylight savings time, everybody wakes up one morning and decides it's
one hour earlier.

So the fading light is part of the night. Night starts, and it's first
order of business is to fade out the light.

Anybody have any thoughts out there, or am I being just a bit picky?

James


"Thirty days has September, October, June, and February...
All the rest have thirty-one, except my brother,
Who got six months."
- Peter Sellers as "Hrundi V. Bakshi", The Party

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From: Kevin Paez
Sender: Kevin Paez
To: ab956@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (James Bykowy), infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: This Is the Night
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 01:09:00 -0600
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The night is Coming. And hey, man, it is just a Rhyme.
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>From mail@mhsgate (James Bykowy) {ab956@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca}, on 3/6/96
12:44 AM:

You know, when I first joined this group, I noticed people taking apart
MJ's lyrics alot and I thought these people were a bit excessive. For
the most part, I just listen and enjoy the music. However, I found
myself a victim of my own criticism a while ago, while brooding over the
lyric "In the fading light of this coming night". He's talking about the
fading light. For all you English majors out there (one of which I am
not), the way the sentence is structured sounds like the light belongs to
the night, as it's coming.

He makes it sound like the night has some light. It's like night begins
at 6:00pm or something, while it's still light out, kind of like how for
daylight savings time, everybody wakes up one morning and decides it's
one hour earlier.

So the fading light is part of the night. Night starts, and it's first
order of business is to fade out the light.

Anybody have any thoughts out there, or am I being just a bit picky?

James


"Thirty days has September, October, June, and February...
All the rest have thirty-one, except my brother,
Who got six months."
- Peter Sellers as "Hrundi V. Bakshi", The Party



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From: Abu Hajj
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: This Is the Night
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 00:59:07 -0800
Message-Id: <199603060859.AAA02585@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>


> "In the fading light of this coming night".

"Rage, rage against the dying of the light"
-Dylan Thomas

until later - JP
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the The is my favorite band, and i think that i would like to buy matt a beer
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From: psj@re.dk
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:39:53 +0200
Message-Id: <199603061039.AA12506@ic1.ic.dk>


James wrote:
************
You know, when I first joined this group, I noticed people taking apart
MJ's lyrics alot and I thought these people were a bit excessive. For
the most part, I just listen and enjoy the music. However, I found
myself a victim of my own criticism a while ago, while brooding over the
lyric "In the fading light of this coming night". He's talking about the
fading light. For all you English majors out there (one of which I am
not), the way the sentence is structured sounds like the light belongs to
the night, as it's coming.

He makes it sound like the night has some light. It's like night begins
at 6:00pm or something, while it's still light out, kind of like how for
daylight savings time, everybody wakes up one morning and decides it's
one hour earlier.

So the fading light is part of the night. Night starts, and it's first
order of business is to fade out the light.

Anybody have any thoughts out there, or am I being just a bit picky?

James
*****************
I suppose he means that it APPEARS that the fading light is a property of=20
the oncoming night for someone experiencing it at the time. Difficult=20
concept I know. Ever read a book?=20
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From: cey
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: everyone else is doing it...
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 04:46:15 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB0B17.E24A63E0@ppp-mia-15.shadow.net>

On Wednesday, March 06, 1996 7:37 PM, luster is the name of my =
band[SMTP:luster@gnn.com] wrote:
=20
>...with maybe a heavy 808'ish kick drum beat. =20
>
~ I certainly hope not, I've become spoiled with the last few =
albums...leave the machine in the past where it belongs. I think most =
drum machines(even the sacred 808) would comprimise the live feel of his =
last few efforts. Besides, the 808 has reached(2nd coming) the puke =
stage in cliche.
IMHO.


=20

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: This Is the Night
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 05:48:07 EST
Message-Id: <199603061048.EAA10442@cs.uchicago.edu>


I think Matt would be flattered that people take his lyrics so seriously,
but in this case I think it's just a good line that sounds right - a lot
of poetry has lines that sometimes make no sense, but the words sound right
and you get the picture through that.

Talking of lyrics (and I'm new to this mailing list, so forgive me if this
has been brought up before), but what lyrics have people noticed that Matt
has 'borrowed' from other songs, even other artists?

For example, in 'Flesh and Bones' Matt sings 'the stink and sweat, and the
flesh and bones, have been replaced and are being sold, not for melting down
for pills and soap but as draught stoppers to keep out the cold'.

Ever heard 'Pills and Soap' by Elvis Costello? '...we're gonna melt them down
for Pills and Soap'.

You've probably all noticed already, but Matt often references his own songs
too - 'this hand that wrote "the agony has just begun" will be the hand that
pulls the trigger of this gun' - a line from 'Twilight of a Champion' on
Infected that refers to the line 'the agony has just begun' from 'Another
Boy Drowning' on 'Burning Blue Soul'.

Anyone got any good ones, particularly of lines borrowed from other artists?

Cheers,
Blair

Blair Downs
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From: James Bykowy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: This Is the Night


You know, when I first joined this group, I noticed people taking apart
MJ's lyrics alot and I thought these people were a bit excessive. For
the most part, I just listen and enjoy the music. However, I found
myself a victim of my own criticism a while ago, while brooding over the
lyric "In the fading light of this coming night". He's talking about the
fading light. For all you English majors out there (one of which I am






not), the way the sentence is structured sounds like the light belongs to
the night, as it's coming.

He makes it sound like the night has some light. It's like night begins
at 6:00pm or something, while it's still light out, kind of like how for
daylight savings time, everybody wakes up one morning and decides it's
one hour earlier.

So the fading light is part of the night. Night starts, and it's first
order of business is to fade out the light.

Anybody have any thoughts out there, or am I being just a bit picky?

James


"Thirty days has September, October, June, and February...
All the rest have thirty-one, except my brother,
Who got six months."
- Peter Sellers as "Hrundi V. Bakshi", The Party



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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (the nowness of now)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: but WILL everthing be alright in the morninglight?
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:55:06 +0100
Message-Id: <96030611550684@mozart.which.co.uk>

Pretty good stuff. And, borrowing from Elvis Costello is an obvious copy of
what Mr. Costello is fairly well known for doing himself so what a damn fine
person to choose to copy.

Eg. "Outside my window..." The opening line to London's Brilliant parade
from Brutal Youth is not only the same opening line as a song by Cream that I
can't remember the title of but it has the same chords and is sung in the same
way etc. There are lots of examples of things like this in Elvis's songs.

Talking of Flesh and Bones, 'the cranes are moving on the skyline' is
also repeated in Heartland. "the cranes are moving on the skyline, trying to
knock down this town" so Heartland therefore copies Flesh and Bones! Wow!

Fascinating facts

See you later,
Jake.
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (the nowness of now)
To: obrienc@iol.ie, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Andy Johnston
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 15:15:52 +0100
Message-Id: <96030615155175@mozart.which.co.uk>

Well, there's so many to choose from but I think my favourite is the Uncertain
Smile sleeve for it's incredible picture of Matt. Mind you, Perfect and
Infected come close, and as a style his paintings are easily identifiable and
very graphic. This is one reason why it is so nice to get the 12" singles of
The the for the art as well as the music. Also, someone said one of Matt's
brothers had died - this is surely not Andy Dog is it?
Jake.
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Andy Johnston
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:30:02 GMT
Message-Id: <199603061430.OAA09245@GPO.iol.ie>

Seeing as there's been a distinct lack of conversing over 'infected',
why not revive it, by touching on the extremely trivial aspect of album sleeves.

Of all Andy Dog's work -and I should think most will agree with me here-, I
think the most striking cover, is that of the tormented, scarlet figure
hovering over the London skyline, on Dusk.

Although, the open-mouthed entity on Infected, is quite captivating, and as
for the original Soul Mining cover ........ damn it, they're all good.

Any further meditations on the subject???
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Andy Johnston
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 12:02:53 EST
Message-Id: <199603061703.LAA15248@cs.uchicago.edu>


Yeah, I couldn't agree more - the artwork is fantastic. I was extremely
disappointed when all the releases of the 'Mind Bomb' era came out - nice
photography, but it's just not the same as Andy's artwork!

My favourite is the 'Infected' album cover (the UK cover anyway).

If you like the artwork look out for the 'Infected' book. Apart from some
really interesting information, it's got a lot of great artwork (some of
which crops up in the Infected video).

It is certainly very striking stuff - and certainly very fitting to the kind
of music Matt makes.

Anyway, if you're lucky enough to have access to a decent colour scanner they
all make great screensaver bitmaps. I had complaints about my 'Dusk' cover
saver, believe it or not - someone accused me (half-jokingly) of being some
sort of devil-worshipper. Huh?!? Get real...

Maybe I'll change it to the 'masturbating devil' Infected cover instead...!

Blair Downs
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To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: "C.O' Brien"
Subject: Andy Johnston

Seeing as there's been a distinct lack of conversing over 'infected',
why not revive it, by touching on the extremely trivial aspect of album
sleeves.

Of all Andy Dog's work -and I should think most will agree with me here-, I
think the most striking cover, is that of the tormented, scarlet figure
hovering over the London skyline, on Dusk.

Although, the open-mouthed entity on Infected, is quite captivating, and as
for the original Soul Mining cover ........ damn it, they're all good.

Any further meditations on the subject???








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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Andy Johnston
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 12:19:56 EST
Message-Id: <199603061719.LAA15741@cs.uchicago.edu>


Yeah, the picture of Matt on the Uncertain Smile is pretty cool, as is the one
on 'This is the Day'.

Matt's brother died just before he recorded and released 'Jealous of Youth'
- - the US release (later reissued on Shades of Blue). I was told when I bought
it (on import of course) that 'Jealous of Youth' was Matt's tribute to his
brother, which puts the song in perspective - probably why I've always found
it to be a really sad song.

Apparently it wasn't Andy who died, unless he produced the Dusk artwork before
dying. I'm not 100 percent sure of this, it's just what I've heard. There's
also a dedication in the 'Jealous of Youth' sleeve (I think it's that one
anyway) with the same surname, but I can't remember the first name right now.

Anyway, back to the artwork - I always found the two cars in the Infected
video pretty cool. Both are covered in Andy's work, the first appears in
'Out of the Blue' and the second in 'The Mercy Beat'. The 'Mercy Beat' car
has better artwork, whilst the 'Out of the Blue' car just looks menacing.

I wonder what happened to those cars? Maybe they got scrapped, but they'd be
great to a collector.

Blair Downs
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (the nowness of now)
To: obrienc@iol.ie, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Andy Johnston

Well, there's so many to choose from but I think my favourite is the Uncertain
Smile sleeve for it's incredible picture of Matt. Mind you, Perfect and
Infected come close, and as a style his paintings are easily identifiable and
very graphic. This is one reason why it is so nice to get the 12" singles of
The the for the art as well as the music. Also, someone said one of Matt's
brothers had died - this is surely not Andy Dog is it?
Jake.

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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: New Album Status
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 12:24:45 -0500
Message-Id: <9603061724.AA26945@cyberworld.com>

Hi,

I'm new to the list, but a long time fan (1984?). It sounds like a new
album is due soon. I don't want to be redundant, but could somebody please
let me know the status of the new album, including personnel?

Thanks,

R.B. Shafer

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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: matt's brother
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 12:10:23 CST
Message-Id: <9603061810.AA29525@pv3449.vincent.iastate.edu>

- --------
The The's concert in Minneapolis was postponed for 3 or 4 months during
the The vs the World tour. I had heard this was due to the death of
Matt's brother. I'm curious as well about this. The only brother of
which I've heard him refer is Andy

walker
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From: cey
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: whatever
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:31:06 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB0B64.0CEE4E80@ppp-mia-45.shadow.net>

On Thursday, March 07, 1996 4:22 AM, blair@uk.ibm.com wrote:
>...Mind you, during the same interview he claimed to have written the =
album
>totally 'clean', no drink, cigarettes or drugs. He later admitted in =
another
>interview (I think when Dusk was released) that he spent most of his =
>during the writing of Mind Bomb eating vast quantities of magic =
mushrooms...
>or at least that's what the interview claimed he said.

~ That reminds me of the rumor about his recording Infected entirely =
under the influence of ectasy. Anybody else hear this? Either he's quite =
the experimentalist or he's skilled at taking the mickey out the old =
musician/drug stereotype. Which wouldn't be too much of a stretch, I =
refer you to his AOL comment on the revised lyric for Jealous of =
Youth--"It's funny how as we grow old, we cling to the past as we cling =
to the HAIR."=20

~"We're gonna have a Clambake"--Elvis P.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: cey
To: "'infected'"
Subject: 808 debate
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:51:34 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB0B64.0EED79E0@ppp-mia-45.shadow.net>

On Thursday, March 07, 1996 5:44 AM, Kevin Paez[SMTP:kevin@firstcom.com] =
wrote:
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>I think a sound is just a sound, and MJ uses any sound he thinks is=20
>necessary for a song. If it is a "808" kick...that makes the tune, it =
will be used.=20

~I agree with everything said here, however, the original text I replied =
to suggested a "heavy 808'ish kick drum beat" and being fairly well =
versed in electro, trance, ambient among the many other electronic =
forms, I have a good idea what can be done w/808's and 909's. As for =
Eno, I'd expect just about anything.

Damn, as I was typing this it occured to me that the title "theThe" =
might have originated from that annoying double-the typo. Perhaps, Matt =
wrote "The" then cached his brain out to thought, then wrote it again =
with the proper title and then theThe occured to him. Just a different =
thought.=20
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: cey
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: MJ and drugs
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 13:57:46 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB0B64.EA350900@ppp-mia-45.shadow.net>

On Thursday, March 07, 1996 7:36 AM, Abu =
Hajj[SMTP:jihad@ugcs.caltech.edu] wrote:
>
>i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.
>
>until later - JP
>----------------
>Acid- better living through chemistry
>

~ I'd venture to say it would conversation intensive, with plenty of =
companionship--if you catch my drift. Not the expected love,sex,death =
discussion pieces.
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~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
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From: Trevor Walton
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: This Is the Night
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 11:00:10 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <199603061900.LAA23344@e2.empirenet.com>

Forwarded message:
> From behfar@cs.uchicago.edu Wed Mar 6 01:24:28 1996
> Message-Id: <199603060859.AAA02585@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Re: This Is the Night
> Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 00:59:07 -0800
> From: Abu Hajj
>
>
> > "In the fading light of this coming night".
>
> "Rage, rage against the dying of the light"
> -Dylan Thomas
>
> until later - JP
> ----------------
> the The is my favorite band, and i think that i would like to buy matt a beer
>
Couldn't help but notice the .sig. Ever hear "Do Not go Gently" (I'm not
completely sure of the title.) off of John Cale's _Fragments of a Rainy
Season_. Incredible song, hell it's an incredible album.

--Trevor
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From: Steven W Hill
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt's brother
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 13:51:53 CST
Message-Id: <9603061953.AA00172@harper.cc.il.us>

> The The's concert in Minneapolis was postponed for 3 or 4 months during
> the The vs the World tour. I had heard this was due to the death of
> Matt's brother. I'm curious as well about this. The only brother of
> which I've heard him refer is Andy

That whole tour was postponed because of Matt's brother's death. It
definitely was not Andy, I think it was Eugene. I don't know how many
siblings Matt has. The "Jealous of Youth" single was released just as the
tour commenced (finally) as a sort of attempt to renew interest in the tour.
- -shill

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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: Re: matt's brother
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:59:29 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

the dedication on the EP is to Eugene Johnson. i would assume this is
the brother, not andy dog.

- ---------------------------------------------------------
New Jersey Turnpike, ridin' on a wet night, 'neath the refinery's glow,
out where the great black rivers flow.
License, registration, I ain't got none, but I got a clear conscience
'Bout the things that I done.
Mister state trooper, please don't stop me...
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: Kevin Paez
Cc: James Bykowy , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: This Is the Night
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 1996 18:03:39 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

I agree with that Paez guy.

On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Kevin Paez wrote:

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> The night is Coming. And hey, man, it is just a Rhyme.
> Original text: (32 lines follow)
> From mail@mhsgate (James Bykowy) {ab956@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca}, on 3/6/96
> 12:44 AM:
>
> You know, when I first joined this group, I noticed people taking apart
> MJ's lyrics alot and I thought these people were a bit excessive. For
> the most part, I just listen and enjoy the music. However, I found
> myself a victim of my own criticism a while ago, while brooding over the
> lyric "In the fading light of this coming night". He's talking about the
> fading light. For all you English majors out there (one of which I am
> not), the way the sentence is structured sounds like the light belongs to
> the night, as it's coming.
>
> He makes it sound like the night has some light. It's like night begins
> at 6:00pm or something, while it's still light out, kind of like how for
> daylight savings time, everybody wakes up one morning and decides it's
> one hour earlier.
>
> So the fading light is part of the night. Night starts, and it's first
> order of business is to fade out the light.
>
> Anybody have any thoughts out there, or am I being just a bit picky?
>
> James
>
>
> "Thirty days has September, October, June, and February...
> All the rest have thirty-one, except my brother,
> Who got six months."
> - Peter Sellers as "Hrundi V. Bakshi", The Party
>
>
>
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: everyone else is doing it...
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 00:37:34
Message-Id: <199603070531.AAA28056@gnn-2.gnn.com>


I have to admit that I'm impressed with all the messages lately.
There was a time when infected filled my mailbox!

The new album (in my opinion) will probably sound A LOT like
Artic Twilight and also Helpline Op.--but I'm guessing he's gonna
use more electronic rhythm stuff. Ya know, the "simple" yet rich sound these
two songs have, with maybe a heavy 808'ish kick drum beat. He's always done
"mood" songs, and even whole albums. Go through his albums and each song
seems to be in the right place (Dusk was VERY much like this). On the new
album look for things to be detached for once. He's getting older...and
patience goes.

The art subject is of interest to me as well.
I've been trying to get my brother to do some similar stuff for my work.
Andy uses a lot of oil pastels, with a "chunky" look to the design.
I'd like to take that and add in glossy pic's that are "extreme" in nature.
Things that make people cringe. The original infected cover was kinda like
that.


JaY

LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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From: Kevin Paez
Sender: Kevin Paez
To: dhwalker@iastate.edu (Douglas H Walker), infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: matt's brother
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 22:45:00 -0600
Message-ID:

Form: Reply
Text: (3 lines follow)
I think his older brother died of brain Cancer. I am not sure what this had
to do with his demeanor when I met Matt on that tour, but he certainly
seemed angry. Not the smiling Matt who came out on tour for Dusk...
Original text: (10 lines follow)
>From mail@mhsgate (Douglas H Walker) {dhwalker@iastate.edu}, on 3/6/96 12:10
PM:
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The The's concert in Minneapolis was postponed for 3 or 4 months during
the The vs the World tour. I had heard this was due to the death of
Matt's brother. I'm curious as well about this. The only brother of
which I've heard him refer is Andy

walker

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From: cey
To: "'infected'"
Subject: More drugs (please)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 01:26:09 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB0BC5.16712FC0@ppp-mia-53.shadow.net>

All,

The last few comments brought me to thinking about the whole =
drug/reality thread, and it seems to me as though drugs allow you to =
view yourself kinda like 3rd person. To clarify, it has often been said =
and possibly accepted that drugs (primarily hallucinagens) permit one to =
step out of their "normal personality." Not to the extent of acting =
very differently, but rather, to notice your own quirks or traits =
(they're not always apparent), and if I were to link this argument with =
MJ, I'd cite "out of the blue": "I was tryin so hard to be myself, I was =
turning into somebody else." So I ask you . . .When are you trying to be =
yourself and when do you ponder the thought of being too much like =
yourself? My answer would be, when you're not yourself (not necessarily =
drugs).=20

~Must fight personality..can't give in. Cannot lose the ship.
~ian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Cey
To: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: To keep us well in our grief
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 02:01:56 -0500
Message-ID: <313E89E4.511@shadow.net>

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~~~Just a few things I thought were informative, ironic and perhaps
foreshadowing!
~ian


> OnlineHost:
> Copyright 1995 America Online, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
>
> Question:
> I noticed on the new album, J. Marr didn't play, is he gone for
> good?
>
> TheTheLive:
> Nothing is gone for good.
>
> CSEmcee2:
> When you go on tour for Gun Sluts, will you be playing Hanky
> Panky?
>
> TheTheLive:
> When we tour for GunSluts we will be playing songs from Hanky
> Panky (& maybe Hank'll join us)
>
> Question:
> Matt, why did you not have Andy do the album art work on Hanky
> Panky?
>
> TheTheLive:
> He just seemed to get fed up & disillusioned with painting. (For
> the time being).
>
> Question:
> Matt, isn't it a bit risky to do a cover album after having your
> widest acceptance yet in the US with Dusk?
>
> TheTheLive:
> Yes it is. But careers are there to be risked & played around
> with. Too many bands make the same album year after year. Once
> you produce what everyone expects you're artistically dead. I
> think .
>
> Question:
> Matt, isn't it funny how as we grow old we cling to the past like
> we cling to the air?
>
> TheTheLive:
> Yes I remember that lyric. Maybe I should rephrase that to hair!
>

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OnlineHost:
Copyright 1995 America Online, Inc. All Rights Reserved.


Center Stage is the largest gathering place on the service, bringing celebrity guests right into your home, and offering a host of entertainment events led by a team of talented emcees. It's capable of accommodating thousands of guests and is truly the showplace of the America Online service.


Experiment with the menu. You'll find many powerful options, including one which permits you to interact with other members present in the auditorium. The interaction "rows" text is prefaced by a number shown in parentheses (1), etc., which is followed by the text sent by members in that row. Unless a row is being "broadcast" your hosts cannot see interactive text. Try it. You can't break anything!


To send your question to the speaker, click on the Interact icon, then use the Ask a Question option.


To interact with your hosts or their guests, use the Interact Button and select either "Ask a Question" or "Send a Comment" -- please be aware that your hosts may not be able to address all items sent to the stage due to time constraints. Questions or comments sent that are not relevant to the conference in progress will not be addressed in order to save you time and charges.


Your emcee is CSEmcee2 (MegK).


THE THE was formed in 1979 by then 17-year old Matt Johnson. Part of London's post-punk underground in the early 80's, THE THE's "honorary members" have included Sinead O'Conner, Neneh Cherry, Jim Foetus, Zeke Manyika, Thomas Leer and Jules Holland.


Their first album, BURNING BLUE SOUL (4AD), was one of the first albums to use drum looping and sampling. This led to THE THE's signing of a record deal with Epic Records in 1982.


Their catalogue includes: SOUL MINING (1983), INFECTED (1986), MIND BOMB (1989, featuring guitarist Johnny Marr formerly of the Smiths), the EP SHADES OF BLUE (1991) and DUSK (1993, with Marr.)


And now, THE THE have just released HANKY PANKY (February 1995, THE THE-ized versions of Johnson's favorite Hank Williams, Sr. tunes. It's a collection of 11 songs including "I SAW THE LIGHT," "YOUR CHEATIN' HEART," "I'M A LONG GONE DADDY," "MY HEART WOULD KNOW," and "HONKY TONKIN" among others.


The video for "I SAW THE LIGHT" was recently shot in New York City and directed by Samuel Bayer (Nirvana, Hole, the Cranberries, the Offspring). Johnson spent most of his time on a gargoyle on top of the Chrysler building wearing special suction shoes while Bayer hung out of a helicopter filming the video.


Now, SONY and America Online take great pleasure in introducing THE THE!

CSEmcee2:
Welcome to Center Stage, Matt Johnson! We're thrilled to be "chatting" with you.

TheTheLive:
Thank you. Good to be here at last

CSEmcee2:
We have many questions already. The first is from Amphigorey:

Question:
Is the band going to tour off the album, or are we going to have to wait until Gun Sluts?

TheTheLive:
Weekly World News found Hank alive & well in Paris, so he can tour it himself. We will tour Gun Sluts in '96.

TheTheLive:
Apparently the system has frozen so we have to continue tomorrow. Only joking.

Question:
I Saw the Light is a long way from "I ain't never been to church or believed in Jesus Christ." I wanted to ask how Matt Johnson's religious feelings have changed over the years.

TheTheLive:
I'm a born again agnostic!

OnlineHost:
Be sure to stay with us! The The's Matt Johnson will have a trivia question for you. The first five members to correctly answer the question will win a prize!

Question:
Matt, How do I get a copy of the DUST TO DAWN video. Saw it Europe this summer. Can you tell me?

TheTheLive:
Send lots of letters to Mr. Gottlieb at 550 Music 550 Madison Ave., 21st floor NY, NY, 10022 or E-Mail Dave_Gottlieb @ Sonymusic.com. By the way it's Dusk, not Dust.

Question:
I noticed on the new album, J. Marr didn't play, is he gone for good?

TheTheLive:
Nothing is gone for good.

CSEmcee2:
When you go on tour for Gun Sluts, will you be playing Hanky Panky?

TheTheLive:
When we tour for GunSluts we will be playing songs from Hanky Panky (& maybe Hank'll join us)

Question:
Matt, I was wondering about the middle-eastern influence in your music, how you got into it, why you do it, etc.?

TheTheLive:
I can't remember really. I've always found middle Eastern voices & instruments haunting.

Question:
Matt, why did you not have Andy do the album art work on Hanky Panky?

TheTheLive:
He just seemed to get fed up & disillusioned with painting. (For the time being).

Question:
Matt, isn't it a bit risky to do a cover album after having your widest acceptance yet in the US with Dusk?

TheTheLive:
Yes it is. But careers are there to be risked & played around with. Too many bands make the same album year after year. Once you produce what everyone expects you're artistically dead. I think .

Question:
Matt, isn't it funny how as we grow old we cling to the past like we cling to the air?

TheTheLive:
Yes I remember that lyric. Maybe I should rephrase that to hair!

Question:
What band inspired you?

TheTheLive:
Muhammed Ali, John Lennon, George Best, Orson Wells. If you know what I mean.

Question:
Another Boy Drowning. What inspired you to write such deep lyrics at such a young age?

TheTheLive:
That was the first real song that I wrote. The first song I cried to that I wrote. I can't remember the actual inspiration. Maybe simple teenage melancholia!

Question:
Will or has "From Dusk Til Dawn" been released in the US? All I can find is a $65 Japanese version. Is it really that good?

TheTheLive:
It is unbelievably fabolous. Sorry about the spelling. I must get a computer that can spell!

Question:
I have been looking for the long-version (w/ sax) of "Uncertain Smile" for years and have never found it. Is there a chance that will ever be re-released?

TheTheLive:
I have a personal collection of 100,000 copies that I sell for $5,000 each. I'll let you all know.

Question:
Matt, I love Dusk, but found a happier songwriter who perhaps had less to say about his good times than bad. Is Hanky Panky a time for you to work with someone else's words while you think out the next phase?

TheTheLive:
I've had a certain amount of flack for doing a cover album but what people don't realize is that as a singer it is pleasurable & liberating just to sing someone else's words.

Question:
Matt, are you aware of the on-line community of TheThe fans? What do you think?

TheTheLive:
I've never heard of AOL until about 3 hours ago but I think it is wonderful. LOL.

Question:
Matt, it surprised me how well these Hank songs hold up under some heavy instrumentation and production. Did you have to experiment a little to make sure it all came together?

TheTheLive:
3 months of pre-production & experimenting. Less than my own songs, but still a fair amount. By the way, I'm typing all this myself, so, if it's a little slow that's the reason. I just thought it would be more intimate that way.

Question:
_Infected_ was very different than your other albums. Was it because what was going on musically at the time? your frame of mind? What was it? It's still my favorite The The album.

TheTheLive:
All my albums sound very different from each other I think. The thing that pleases me is that different people like different albums. There's not one that really stands head & shoulders above the others.

OnlineHost:
What type of music, which artists is/are Matt listening to currently?

TheTheLive:
I only listen to the sound of silence nowadays. Well as silent as New York gets.

Question:
Matt, saw you on Jon Stewart show two nights ago. Are you planning any more TV appearances?

TheTheLive:
MTV 120 minutes this Sunday. Look for us on Letterman in March.

OnlineHost:
It's time for our Trivia question! 10 people that answer this right will win!

CSEmcee2:
Use INTERACT - ASK A QUESTION to send in your answers.

CSEmcee2:
OK - here comes our Question:

OnlineHost:
Q: What was the name of Matt's first band?

CSEmcee2:
And we have time for one more trivia question. Here comes the next Question:

CSEmcee2:
After I show the answer to the first question. (hehehe):

OnlineHost:
Q: What was the name of Matt's first band?

A: :
Road Star.

CSEmcee2:
Now here comes the next Question:

OnlineHost:
Q: What CD contains "Lip Tripping"?

TheTheLive:
THERE WILL BE AN AFTER PARTY TO THIS CHAT IN A PRIVATE ROOM "THE THE"

Question:
Matt, lyrics have always been an important part of your songs. What takes longer, the music or the lyrics. And, have you ever heard of a group called Momus?

TheTheLive:
Never heard of Momus ( then again I haven't heard of hardly any groups) The lyrics do, unfortunately.

TheTheLive:
Thanks a lot everyone it's about to end but go to private room with free drinks drugs & girls (& boys).

CSEmcee2:
All those who won will be notified by e-mail.

TheTheLive:
PRIVATE ROOM "THE THE"

CSEmcee2:
Thanks for talking with us. Please join Matt in private room The The.

OnlineHost:
Our thanks to SONY 550 Music for bringing THE THE to America Online. Be sure to look for their newest album, HANKY PANKY, featuring THE THE-ized versions of Matt Johnson's favorite Hank Williams, Sr. tunes. To our audience, thank you for joining us and good night!

Copyright 1995 America Online, Inc. All Rights Reserved.





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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: whatever
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 03:17:57 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

O.K., so far I haven't been serious with this e-mail list. So now I'll
try to be as serious as everybody else.
Something that I have always wondered about was Matt Johnson's personal
beliefs. I know that he believes our souls are much larger than our puny
bodies and I know that he says that it is the muses that gives him the
inspiration for his lyrics... but I don't know if he has any religious
beliefs. I know he writes about Islam, christianity and (in my view)
budism, but what is his religous inclination?
I'm just curious- don't think I'm some kind of christian extremist,
because being an extremist, of any kind, sucks.
K.
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: Kevin Paez
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: whatever
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 03:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
thanks for writing me back!

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Kevin Paez wrote:

> Form: Reply
> Text: (8 lines follow)
> Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> and he shows that understanding with Depth as well. Very holistic, or just
> whole, if you will. He is like Christ, a teacher, a prophet, speaker, a
> magician, a radical...I would say that he, if anything, is a true Christian.
> He is like christ.
> Original text: (13 lines follow)
> From mail@mhsgate {dskirkwood@TrentU.ca}, on 3/7/96 3:17 AM:
> O.K., so far I haven't been serious with this e-mail list. So now I'll
> try to be as serious as everybody else.
> Something that I have always wondered about was Matt Johnson's personal
> beliefs. I know that he believes our souls are much larger than our puny
> bodies and I know that he says that it is the muses that gives him the
> inspiration for his lyrics... but I don't know if he has any religious
> beliefs. I know he writes about Islam, christianity and (in my view)
> budism, but what is his religous inclination?
> I'm just curious- don't think I'm some kind of christian extremist,
> because being an extremist, of any kind, sucks.
> K.
>
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From: Jan Wirken
To: Douglas H Walker
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt's brother
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 09:20:28 +0100 (MET)
Message-Id:

When The The came to Veredenburg, Utrecht, The Netherlands (yes, where
all the new music enters the european continent) I asked why there were
no T-shirts with andy's artwork on it. The man behind the stand was
suprised by my question and asked me if I didn't know that he had died
some time ago. This was in the early stage of the The The vs. The World
tour in Europe.
By that time I didn't know it but since then I assumed the story was right.

I cannot imagine that Matt or someone close to the family or from the
music company doesn't read these pages, so please let us know what the
real story is.
Jan Wirken

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e-mail: jwirken@robeco.nl
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From: Kevin Paez
Sender: Kevin Paez
To: dskirkwood@trentu.ca, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: whatever
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:40:00 -0600
Message-ID:

Form: Reply
Text: (8 lines follow)
Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
and he shows that understanding with Depth as well. Very holistic, or just
whole, if you will. He is like Christ, a teacher, a prophet, speaker, a
magician, a radical...I would say that he, if anything, is a true Christian.
He is like christ.
Original text: (13 lines follow)
>From mail@mhsgate {dskirkwood@TrentU.ca}, on 3/7/96 3:17 AM:
O.K., so far I haven't been serious with this e-mail list. So now I'll
try to be as serious as everybody else.
Something that I have always wondered about was Matt Johnson's personal
beliefs. I know that he believes our souls are much larger than our puny
bodies and I know that he says that it is the muses that gives him the
inspiration for his lyrics... but I don't know if he has any religious
beliefs. I know he writes about Islam, christianity and (in my view)
budism, but what is his religous inclination?
I'm just curious- don't think I'm some kind of christian extremist,
because being an extremist, of any kind, sucks.
K.

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From: Kevin Paez
Sender: Kevin Paez
To: dhwalker@iastate.edu (Douglas H Walker), jwirken@robeco.nl (Jan Wirken)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt's brother
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 02:49:00 -0600
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It was the other brother, Eugene. I asked Johnny about it in Dallas on that
tour. Matt was very cold, so I just grinded Johnny on Guitar stuff (I am a
guitarist also, and he has been my model for 8 years) and asked him about
the tour delay. It was Eugene.
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>From mail@mhsgate (Jan Wirken) {jwirken@robeco.nl}, on 3/7/96 9:20 AM:
When The The came to Veredenburg, Utrecht, The Netherlands (yes, where
all the new music enters the european continent) I asked why there were
no T-shirts with andy's artwork on it. The man behind the stand was
suprised by my question and asked me if I didn't know that he had died
some time ago. This was in the early stage of the The The vs. The World
tour in Europe.
By that time I didn't know it but since then I assumed the story was right.

I cannot imagine that Matt or someone close to the family or from the
music company doesn't read these pages, so please let us know what the
real story is.
Jan Wirken

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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 04:22:25 EST
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Difficult to tell what Matt's beliefs are. However, during an interview given
at the time of the release of 'Mind Bomb' Matt was asked 'Do you believe in
God?' to which he replied 'Yeah...God is cool'.

Mind you, during the same interview he claimed to have written the album
totally 'clean', no drink, cigarettes or drugs. He later admitted in another
interview (I think when Dusk was released) that he spent most of his time
during the writing of Mind Bomb eating vast quantities of magic mushrooms...
or at least that's what the interview claimed he said.

You didn't want a straight answer did you?!?

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O.K., so far I haven't been serious with this e-mail list. So now I'll
try to be as serious as everybody else.
Something that I have always wondered about was Matt Johnson's personal
beliefs. I know that he believes our souls are much larger than our puny
bodies and I know that he says that it is the muses that gives him the
inspiration for his lyrics... but I don't know if he has any religious
beliefs. I know he writes about Islam, christianity and (in my view)
budism, but what is his religous inclination?
I'm just curious- don't think I'm some kind of christian extremist,
because being an extremist, of any kind, sucks.
K.

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From: Kevin Paez
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To: ceylon@shadow.net (cey), infected@cs.uchicago.edu ("'infected'")
Subject: TR-808
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 04:44:00 -0600
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I think a sound is just a sound, and MJ uses any sound he thinks is
necessary for a song. If it is a "808" kick ("808" refers most often to the
Kick drum sound in a TR808, an Old Roland drum machine, a sound often
associated with Rap and street beats) that makes the tune, it will be used.
Sounds get their true qualities from what is around them. Brian Eno has a
rule against using the "Solo" button on a console. A solo switch allows you
to hear any instrument in a song all by itself. It is possible then to use
electronic treatments more accurately, such as EQ or reverb, because you do
not have to deal with the other instruments distracting your ear. Eno's
reason for not using the solo switches is that because sound gets its
quality relative to other sounds, soloing is a waste of time. You get a
sound to be one thing on its own, which may sound great, but then you have
to change it perhaps because you later find that it gets in the way of
another instrument. Sound is truly relative. So the thinking that an 808
would be unusable for MJ is a bit short sighted. MJ has used live drums and
drum sounds in digital sequences to great effect, there is no reason to
think that he could not use any other sounds in similar fashion. The saying
goes "if you give a true musician any thing that can make a sound, they will
learn to make music with it". I say go for the top. My fave would be if he
used Both live and sequenced drums together throughout the new record. All I
am saying with this ridiculous overanalysis is that we should not over
analyze the music. Listen without prejudice.
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>From mail@mhsgate (cey) {ceylon@shadow.net}, on 3/6/96 4:46 AM:
On Wednesday, March 06, 1996 7:37 PM, luster is the name of my
band[SMTP:luster@gnn.com] wrote:

>...with maybe a heavy 808'ish kick drum beat.
>
~ I certainly hope not, I've become spoiled with the last few albums...leave
the machine in the past where it belongs. I think most drum machines(even
the sacred 808) would comprimise the live feel of his last few efforts.
Besides, the 808 has reached(2nd coming) the puke stage in cliche.
IMHO.




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From: Abu Hajj
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: MJ and drugs
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 04:36:38 -0800
Message-Id: <199603071236.EAA14908@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>


one response:

> I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
> god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
> thanks for writing me back!

excuse me? acid, nor any other psychadelic, including psilocyn/psilocybin
(magic mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), or so on, _makes_ you play god.
they alter your perceptions, and your brain gets confused, and as it
sorts its way out of these new perceptions, it "figures" things out.
these things can appear to be major revelations, horrific demons, insights,
or just visual hallucinations. acid- if you can explain it, you're not
experiencing it.

someone else wrote (kevin, i think):

> Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> and he shows that understanding with Depth as well.

not all people who take psychadelic drugs are like this. Some people just
like the effects, how it feels, how it affects music or sex or what they
see. (similarly, not all people who drink alcohol are responsible)

drugs are like anything else when it comes to enlightenment. You can
achieve understanding through drugs, a tasty sandwich, a shower, a
beautiful sunset, anything. It all depends on your frame of mind.

i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.

until later - JP
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: MJ and drugs
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 09:49:53 EST
Message-Id: <199603071449.IAA11587@cs.uchicago.edu>


I'm not one to preach to people normally, and I'm not telling people how to
live their lives, but let's try and keep some sort of balance here in this
discussion.

Sure, a lot of the music we really love was produced under the influence of
hallucinagenics, and some of you may have used the stuff yourself and felt
a benefit (fine by me), but there's another side of the coin too.

An ex-girlfriend of mine had a bad trip in India 3 or 4 years ago on acid.
Since then she has spent a lot of time in a psychiatric hospital, as she's
now a paranoid schizophrenic. She still hears voices today telling her to
kill herself and her family, and she'll probably be on medication for the
rest of her life. To me, that's bad news.

I'm not ignorant or stupid, I know that this isn't the norm, but likewise
you've got to be aware. You've got to make your own mind up when you've
looked at the pros and the cons. Just because I choose not to doesn't mean
I'm going to stop a grown adult going for it.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching. I'm just sick of only ever hearing
either "drugs are great" or "drugs are bad".

They're BOTH.

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
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Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 04:36:38 -0800
From: Abu Hajj


one response:

> I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
> god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
> thanks for writing me back!

excuse me? acid, nor any other psychadelic, including psilocyn/psilocybin
(magic mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), or so on, _makes_ you play god.
they alter your perceptions, and your brain gets confused, and as it






sorts its way out of these new perceptions, it "figures" things out.
these things can appear to be major revelations, horrific demons, insights,
or just visual hallucinations. acid- if you can explain it, you're not
experiencing it.

someone else wrote (kevin, i think):

> Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> and he shows that understanding with Depth as well.

not all people who take psychadelic drugs are like this. Some people just
like the effects, how it feels, how it affects music or sex or what they
see. (similarly, not all people who drink alcohol are responsible)

drugs are like anything else when it comes to enlightenment. You can
achieve understanding through drugs, a tasty sandwich, a shower, a
beautiful sunset, anything. It all depends on your frame of mind.

i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.

until later - JP
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Another Year?
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 10:39:15 -0500
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You mean to tell me I have to wait another year for another album
from MJ? I can't wait that long...

By the way, I liked the live sound of the last few efforts but
whatever approach MJ chooses will be alright with me. He'll make
it work.

R.B. Shafer
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From: Doug Chase
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: whatever
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 96 12:00:57 PST
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|From: cey

| I refer
|you to his AOL comment on the revised lyric for Jealous of Youth--"It's
|funny how as we grow old, we cling to the past as we cling to the HAIR."

What's this? Please inform...



- -Doug Chase

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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: drugs
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 16:25:00 CST
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Mr. Paez wrote that due to his (MJ's) use of hallucinogenic drugs MJ
"realized things that most others do not". Making a realization implies
discovering something new about reality; the purpose of drug use,
particularly hallucinogens, is to escape from reality. (And don't give me
any of this "what is reality" BS from Philosopy 101). I'm not putting
down anyone's choice to use; everyone needs to escape from reality one
way or another from time to time, and it's a person's right to take drugs
as long as they do it responsibly. (At least this should be a person's
right). Matt Johnson is a genius, drugs or no drugs.

As long as I'm on, I'll put in my 2 cents on MJ's use of technology on
future projects. Matt Johnson is a brilliant song writer whether he uses
acoustic instrumentation or purely electronic sound. The only way I'd be
disappointed with his future efforts would be if it sounded the same as
any of his previous efforts. Each album up to this point has had a distinct
sound, and he's not afraid to experiment with new ideas. As long as he
keeps up this trend, which I assume he will, I think the The fans will be
happy.

- -walker
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From: Peter Caira
To: Douglas H Walker
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: drugs
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 19:52:56 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, Douglas H Walker wrote:

> Mr. Paez wrote that due to his (MJ's) use of hallucinogenic drugs MJ
> "realized things that most others do not". Making a realization implies
> discovering something new about reality; the purpose of drug use,
> particularly hallucinogens, is to escape from reality. (And don't give me
> any of this "what is reality" BS from Philosopy 101). I'm not putting
> down anyone's choice to use; everyone needs to escape from reality one
> way or another from time to time, and it's a person's right to take drugs
> as long as they do it responsibly. (At least this should be a person's
> right). Matt Johnson is a genius, drugs or no drugs.

I don't think that you have to be on drugs necessarily to make a
realization about reality or what not. Indeed, hallucinogens do take you
to a different reality, but it is what we experience in that other
reality that might bring us to have certain realizations when we are in
what most people consider to be our normal reality. Maybe I sound a bit
crazy here, but all I mean to say is that your experiences with drugs
might help you realize things about your existance that you might not
have realized before such an experience.

> As long as I'm on, I'll put in my 2 cents on MJ's use of technology on
> future projects. Matt Johnson is a brilliant song writer whether he uses
> acoustic instrumentation or purely electronic sound. The only way I'd be
> disappointed with his future efforts would be if it sounded the same as
> any of his previous efforts. Each album up to this point has had a distinct
> sound, and he's not afraid to experiment with new ideas. As long as he
> keeps up this trend, which I assume he will, I think the The fans will be
> happy.

Good point. I tend to agree with this view. I enjoy almost everything
Matt has done thus far, and indeed it has all been quite diverse in
style, which, to me, as a musician, is absolutely wonderful. There's one
thing that never changes throught his music though, and that's the
incredible way he can manipulate the english language to form his
lyrics. I think it's truly brilliant.


Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira

Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
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From: Kevin Paez
Sender: Kevin Paez
To: blair@uk.ibm.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: MJ and drugs
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 1996 20:01:00 -0600
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Good Point, Blair. I ate some bad ex a long time ago, and survived without
long term effects. My girlfriend ate a bit more than me and is a now a
paranoid schizophrenic also. She was of course headed that way anyway, but
the symptoms appeared straightaway and never subsided. I had a great time
that night, though.
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>From mail@mhsgate {blair@uk.ibm.com}, on 3/7/96 9:49 AM:

I'm not one to preach to people normally, and I'm not telling people how to
live their lives, but let's try and keep some sort of balance here in this
discussion.

Sure, a lot of the music we really love was produced under the influence of
hallucinagenics, and some of you may have used the stuff yourself and felt
a benefit (fine by me), but there's another side of the coin too.

An ex-girlfriend of mine had a bad trip in India 3 or 4 years ago on acid.
Since then she has spent a lot of time in a psychiatric hospital, as she's
now a paranoid schizophrenic. She still hears voices today telling her to
kill herself and her family, and she'll probably be on medication for the
rest of her life. To me, that's bad news.

I'm not ignorant or stupid, I know that this isn't the norm, but likewise
you've got to be aware. You've got to make your own mind up when you've
looked at the pros and the cons. Just because I choose not to doesn't mean
I'm going to stop a grown adult going for it.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching. I'm just sick of only ever hearing
either "drugs are great" or "drugs are bad".

They're BOTH.

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
OSU 1
IBM Warwick Site
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Subject: MJ and drugs
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 04:36:38 -0800
From: Abu Hajj


one response:

> I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
> god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
> thanks for writing me back!

excuse me? acid, nor any other psychadelic, including psilocyn/psilocybin
(magic mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), or so on, _makes_ you play god.
they alter your perceptions, and your brain gets confused, and as it






sorts its way out of these new perceptions, it "figures" things out.
these things can appear to be major revelations, horrific demons, insights,
or just visual hallucinations. acid- if you can explain it, you're not
experiencing it.

someone else wrote (kevin, i think):

> Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> and he shows that understanding with Depth as well.

not all people who take psychadelic drugs are like this. Some people just
like the effects, how it feels, how it affects music or sex or what they
see. (similarly, not all people who drink alcohol are responsible)

drugs are like anything else when it comes to enlightenment. You can
achieve understanding through drugs, a tasty sandwich, a shower, a
beautiful sunset, anything. It all depends on your frame of mind.

i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.

until later - JP
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From: "Mr R. Forster"
To: jihad@ugcs.caltech.edu (Abu Hajj)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: MJ and drugs
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 08:52:12 +0000 (GMT)
Message-Id: <199603080852.IAA09085@chad2-21.liv.ac.uk>

In the last mail Abu Hajj said:
>
>
> one response:
>
> > I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
> > god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
> > thanks for writing me back!
>
> excuse me? acid, nor any other psychadelic, including psilocyn/psilocybin
> (magic mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), or so on, _makes_ you play god.
> they alter your perceptions, and your brain gets confused, and as it
> sorts its way out of these new perceptions, it "figures" things out.
> these things can appear to be major revelations, horrific demons, insights,
> or just visual hallucinations. acid- if you can explain it, you're not
> experiencing it.
>
> someone else wrote (kevin, i think):
>
> > Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> > not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> > drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> > things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> > and he shows that understanding with Depth as well.
>
> not all people who take psychadelic drugs are like this. Some people just
> like the effects, how it feels, how it affects music or sex or what they
> see. (similarly, not all people who drink alcohol are responsible)
>
> drugs are like anything else when it comes to enlightenment. You can
> achieve understanding through drugs, a tasty sandwich, a shower, a
> beautiful sunset, anything. It all depends on your frame of mind.
>


**************************************************************
> i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.


When theThe rolled into Liverpool, during the Jingle Hell tour,
I went to the concert, with a microdot in my head, and me and my
friend tripped to the music, ultra sonic mindfuck, thats all
I can say....

anyway later we waited outside the stage door, just chilling out, when
he strolled past, Matt Johnson on the pavement, I was stunned
my friend grabbed him, and dragged him to me... I just stood there
mouth wide open staring in the outer hemisphere, then Matt stood there
in front of me, just staring at me, mega spooky, I sensed that he knew that
I was tripping, he seemed to be altered to, which was strange,
he fucked off after about 3 or 4 minutes, I got higher, and went home,

anywayjust thought I would share that with yers, have a cool day :)

ps. I am not condeming or celebrating drug use, u have yer own minds

*******************************************************************



>
> until later - JP
> ----------------
> Acid- better living through chemistry
>
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (Slide Projector Lie Detector)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The the and hair
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:35:00 +0100
Message-Id: <96030811350083@mozart.which.co.uk>

Just a quick point RE: the name The the.
Apparently, Matt wanted to name his band The something as he says all the best
bands have names beginning with The. Therefore, the best band name you could
ever have would be The the. Simple, really, and, from what I read, the true
reason the band has the quality name The the.
Jake.
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The the and hair
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 09:02:24 EST
Message-Id: <199603081402.IAA08344@cs.uchicago.edu>


I heard the same.

Blair Downs
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Subject: The the and hair

Just a quick point RE: the name The the.
Apparently, Matt wanted to name his band The something as he says all the best
bands have names beginning with The. Therefore, the best band name you could
ever have would be The the. Simple, really, and, from what I read, the true
reason the band has the quality name The the.
Jake.

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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
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Subject: re: MJ and drugs
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 11:01:13 EST
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Apologies for the sermon. Just trying to keep some sort of balance to the
conversation, that's all...remember kids, it's dangerous out there (and fun).

Normal service has now resumed!

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Good Point, Blair. I ate some bad ex a long time ago, and survived without
long term effects. My girlfriend ate a bit more than me and is a now a
paranoid schizophrenic also. She was of course headed that way anyway, but
the symptoms appeared straightaway and never subsided. I had a great time
that night, though.
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>From mail@mhsgate {blair@uk.ibm.com}, on 3/7/96 9:49 AM:

I'm not one to preach to people normally, and I'm not telling people how to
live their lives, but let's try and keep some sort of balance here in this
discussion.

Sure, a lot of the music we really love was produced under the influence of
hallucinagenics, and some of you may have used the stuff yourself and felt
a benefit (fine by me), but there's another side of the coin too.

An ex-girlfriend of mine had a bad trip in India 3 or 4 years ago on acid.
Since then she has spent a lot of time in a psychiatric hospital, as she's
now a paranoid schizophrenic. She still hears voices today telling her to
kill herself and her family, and she'll probably be on medication for the
rest of her life. To me, that's bad news.

I'm not ignorant or stupid, I know that this isn't the norm, but likewise
you've got to be aware. You've got to make your own mind up when you've
looked at the pros and the cons. Just because I choose not to doesn't mean
I'm going to stop a grown adult going for it.







Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching. I'm just sick of only ever hearing
either "drugs are great" or "drugs are bad".

They're BOTH.

Blair Downs
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Subject: MJ and drugs
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 04:36:38 -0800
From: Abu Hajj


one response:

> I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
> god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
> thanks for writing me back!

excuse me? acid, nor any other psychadelic, including psilocyn/psilocybin
(magic mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), or so on, _makes_ you play god.
they alter your perceptions, and your brain gets confused, and as it






sorts its way out of these new perceptions, it "figures" things out.
these things can appear to be major revelations, horrific demons, insights,
or just visual hallucinations. acid- if you can explain it, you're not
experiencing it.

someone else wrote (kevin, i think):

> Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> and he shows that understanding with Depth as well.

not all people who take psychadelic drugs are like this. Some people just
like the effects, how it feels, how it affects music or sex or what they
see. (similarly, not all people who drink alcohol are responsible)

drugs are like anything else when it comes to enlightenment. You can
achieve understanding through drugs, a tasty sandwich, a shower, a
beautiful sunset, anything. It all depends on your frame of mind.







i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.

until later - JP
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: the name of the band...
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 11:11:12 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

i had read that keith laws, original the the member came up with the
name, not matt.

- ---------------------------------------------------------
Never sing for my supper, I never help my neighbor.
Never do what is proper, for my fair share of labor.
I'm a poor boy, and I'm a rover.
Count your coins and throw them over my shoulder.
I may grow older, nobody knows
How cold it grows.
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: Abu Hajj
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: MJ and drugs
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 14:39:48 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

I was just wondering if MJ is still dropping, or shrooming- or is he now
clean?
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: blair@uk.ibm.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: MJ and drugs
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 14:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

I see where you are coming from, don't worry about preaching. I've done
acid but will not do it again because I can see how dangerous it could
be. People have to be careful these days, some stuff is pretty harsh.
k.

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996 blair@uk.ibm.com wrote:

>
> I'm not one to preach to people normally, and I'm not telling people how to
> live their lives, but let's try and keep some sort of balance here in this
> discussion.
>
> Sure, a lot of the music we really love was produced under the influence of
> hallucinagenics, and some of you may have used the stuff yourself and felt
> a benefit (fine by me), but there's another side of the coin too.
>
> An ex-girlfriend of mine had a bad trip in India 3 or 4 years ago on acid.
> Since then she has spent a lot of time in a psychiatric hospital, as she's
> now a paranoid schizophrenic. She still hears voices today telling her to
> kill herself and her family, and she'll probably be on medication for the
> rest of her life. To me, that's bad news.
>
> I'm not ignorant or stupid, I know that this isn't the norm, but likewise
> you've got to be aware. You've got to make your own mind up when you've
> looked at the pros and the cons. Just because I choose not to doesn't mean
> I'm going to stop a grown adult going for it.
>
> Sorry if it sounds like I'm preaching. I'm just sick of only ever hearing
> either "drugs are great" or "drugs are bad".
>
> They're BOTH.
>
> Blair Downs
> IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
> OSU 1
> IBM Warwick Site
> PO Box 31, Birmingham Road, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5JL
>
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> Subject: MJ and drugs
> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 1996 04:36:38 -0800
> From: Abu Hajj
>
>
> one response:
>
> > I understand what you are saying about the drugs. Acid makes you play
> > god. From what I understand, Matt reads up on a lot of religious shit.
> > thanks for writing me back!
>
> excuse me? acid, nor any other psychadelic, including psilocyn/psilocybin
> (magic mushrooms), mescaline (peyote), or so on, _makes_ you play god.
> they alter your perceptions, and your brain gets confused, and as it
>
>
>
>
>
>
> sorts its way out of these new perceptions, it "figures" things out.
> these things can appear to be major revelations, horrific demons, insights,
> or just visual hallucinations. acid- if you can explain it, you're not
> experiencing it.
>
> someone else wrote (kevin, i think):
>
> > Matt is keen upon pointing out some obvious problems in religions. He did
> > not grow up in a religious household. He Did take alot of hallucinogenic
> > drugs, and, like most of the people I know who have done them, He realized
> > things that most others do not. His understanding of the issues is clear,
> > and he shows that understanding with Depth as well.
>
> not all people who take psychadelic drugs are like this. Some people just
> like the effects, how it feels, how it affects music or sex or what they
> see. (similarly, not all people who drink alcohol are responsible)
>
> drugs are like anything else when it comes to enlightenment. You can
> achieve understanding through drugs, a tasty sandwich, a shower, a
> beautiful sunset, anything. It all depends on your frame of mind.
>
> i wonder what it would be like to trip with matt.
>
> until later - JP
> ----------------
> Acid- better living through chemistry
>
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: cey
Cc: "'infected'"
Subject: Re: More drugs (please)
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 14:57:46 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

you make a good arguement

On Thu, 7 Mar 1996, cey wrote:

> All,
>
> The last few comments brought me to thinking about the whole drug/reality thread, and it seems to me as though drugs allow you to view yourself kinda like 3rd person. To clarify, it has often been said and possibly accepted that drugs (primarily hallucinagens) permit one to step out of their "normal personality." Not to the extent of acting very differently, but rather, to notice your own quirks or traits (they're not always apparent), and if I were to link this argument with MJ, I'd cite "out of the blue": "I was tryin so hard to be myself, I was turning into somebody else." So I ask you . . .When are you trying to be yourself and when do you ponder the thought of being too much like yourself? My answer would be, when you're not yourself (not necessarily drugs).
>
> ~Must fight personality..can't give in. Cannot lose the ship.
> ~ian
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~one foot-up, toenail draggin, call my buddy Jessie in the~
> ~Hoodoo Wagon...come here momma with the can of ~
> ~booze. it's the dying crapshooters leavin this world--G.C.~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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From: Genepool@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt's brother
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 14:23:25 -0500
Message-ID: <960308142324_345187963@emout09.mail.aol.com>

<< The man behind the stand was
suprised by my question and asked me if I didn't know that he had died
some time ago. This was in the early stage of the The The vs. The World
tour in Europe.

It was definitely NOT Andy that died.

Steve
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From: DSKIRKWOOD@TrentU.ca
To: INFECTED@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: ??
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id: <01I26RLJI6O200AAMP@TrentU.ca>

it's been kind of quiet lately. Hey does anyone know if mj was influenced
by buhdism when he wrote Dusk?- I thought that there was but I need someone to
confirm it for me.
k.
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I noticed the same, interconnectedness and all....
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>From mail@mhsgate {DSKIRKWOOD@TrentU.ca}, on 3/10/96 9:14 PM:
it's been kind of quiet lately. Hey does anyone know if mj was influenced
by buhdism when he wrote Dusk?- I thought that there was but I need someone
to
confirm it for me.
k.

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From: Cey
To: Infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: From Dusk 'til Dawn
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:02:46 -0500
Message-ID: <3143D016.15C7@shadow.net>

For those of you without it, CDnow has it listed on VHS-NTSC for
$68.30(jap). Whether they have it in stock I do not know. The thing I
find most curious is the price for the laser disc is the same --go
figure?

If you're interested:
http://cdnow.com ~search under "the the"
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: matt and women
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:18:16 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

I'm just curious...does anyone know what kind of women MJ finds
attractive? I'm interested in their personalities as well as a physical
description..... And who is he seeing now?
Wishfully thinking,
wendy

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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Andy Johnston
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:19:49 -0800
Message-Id: <199603120219.SAA26572@ix4.ix.netcom.com>

okay, first it is johnson...and dusk cover is thoe congruent colour
scheme andy put together, evil because the colours are expected--red
and purple, evil and nightime or almost nightime.

I've got this huge dusk poster, can't find a frame so have to get out
and customize that sucker. still waiting for the glass to be cut.

anyhow, i really like the night little poster in the Infected torture
ltd edition though. just screams at you, yikes.

euthelene

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To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: "C.O' Brien"
Subject: Andy Johnston

Seeing as there's been a distinct lack of conversing over 'infected',
why not revive it, by touching on the extremely trivial aspect of album
sleeves.

Of all Andy Dog's work -and I should think most will agree with me
here-, I
think the most striking cover, is that of the tormented, scarlet figure
hovering over the London skyline, on Dusk.

Although, the open-mouthed entity on Infected, is quite captivating,
and as
for the original Soul Mining cover ........ damn it, they're all good.

Any further meditations on the subject???


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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Re: Andy Johnston
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:25:12 -0800
Message-Id: <199603120225.SAA18763@ix12.ix.netcom.com>

Anyhow, yes his brother died from a cancer of some sort..cancelled part
of the Mind Bomb tour. I was supposed to interview him and then had to
reschedule...

experts?
euthelene







Subject: Re: Andy Johnston


Yeah, the picture of Matt on the Uncertain Smile is pretty cool, as is
the one
on 'This is the Day'.

Matt's brother died just before he recorded and released 'Jealous of
Youth'
- - the US release (later reissued on Shades of Blue). I was told when I
bought
it (on import of course) that 'Jealous of Youth' was Matt's tribute to
his
brother, which puts the song in perspective - probably why I've always
found
it to be a really sad song.

Apparently it wasn't Andy who died, unless he produced the Dusk artwork
before
dying. I'm not 100 percent sure of this, it's just what I've heard.
There's
also a dedication in the 'Jealous of Youth' sleeve (I think it's that
one
anyway) with the same surname, but I can't remember the first name
right now.

Anyway, back to the artwork - I always found the two cars in the
Infected
video pretty cool. Both are covered in Andy's work, the first appears
in
'Out of the Blue' and the second in 'The Mercy Beat'. The 'Mercy Beat'
car
has better artwork, whilst the 'Out of the Blue' car just looks
menacing.

I wonder what happened to those cars? Maybe they got scrapped, but
they'd be
great to a collector.

Blair Downs
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (the nowness of now)
To: obrienc@iol.ie, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Andy Johnston

Well, there's so many to choose from but I think my favourite is the
Uncertain
Smile sleeve for it's incredible picture of Matt. Mind you, Perfect and
Infected come close, and as a style his paintings are easily
identifiable and
very graphic. This is one reason why it is so nice to get the 12"
singles of
The the for the art as well as the music. Also, someone said one of
Matt's
brothers had died - this is surely not Andy Dog is it?
Jake.

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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: okay not to be confusing
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:27:30 -0800
Message-Id: <199603120227.SAA17935@ix9.ix.netcom.com>

i was talking about eugene, not andy dog euthelene who's confusing by
inherent nature
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To:
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: matt's brother
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:30:30 -0800
Message-Id: <199603120230.SAA15938@ix13.ix.netcom.com>

You wrote:
>
>Form: Reply
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>I think his older brother died of brain Cancer. I am not sure what
this had
>to do with his demeanor when I met Matt on that tour, but he certainly

>seemed angry. Not the smiling Matt who came out on tour for Dusk...
>Original text: (10 lines follow)
>>From mail@mhsgate (Douglas H Walker) {dhwalker@iastate.edu}, on
3/6/96 12:10
>PM:
>--------
well, if you're brother died from brain cancer don't think you'd a
cheery lad, eh? i;ve many o friend to accidents, aids and cancer, and
yes i'm still be mad always will be, keeps me on my toes


euthelene

>The The's concert in Minneapolis was postponed for 3 or 4 months
during
>the The vs the World tour. I had heard this was due to the death of
>Matt's brother. I'm curious as well about this. The only brother of
>which I've heard him refer is Andy
>
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: drugs and cottage cheese in the mircowave
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 18:44:36 -0800
Message-Id: <199603120244.SAA27390@ix5.ix.netcom.com>

seemed like i've never needed drugs, i trip anyway...see things on the
wall, feel the bugs crawling around the bed covers...

maybe because I once had a friend who tripped so bad and I was the one
who got her through the night, very scarey.

i can't relate to the desire to utterly loose oneself, we loose
ourselves enough every day, it's hard enough getting back, imagine if
some substance would prevent that return.

no cigs, moderate brew amounts, a little weed in the past and nothing
else. so i be square, oh well.

and maybe another reason drugs scare me so much is because some dweeby
housemate of mine just really blazed on acid and put a large container
of cottage cheese in my microwave...i don't have a microwave anymore.

euthelene
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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: matt and women
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 19:03:09 -0800
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
Subject: matt and women
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I'm just curious...does anyone know what kind of women MJ finds
attractive? I'm interested in their personalities as well as a
physical
description..... And who is he seeing now?
Wishfully thinking,
wendy



one's with brains...hint hint
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Andy Johnston
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 04:57:21 EST
Message-Id: <199603120957.DAA13753@cs.uchicago.edu>


...Yep, but he's normally credited as Andy Dog - hence his 'Dog' logo with
the wings.

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From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen )
Subject: Fwd: Andy Johnston
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu

okay, first it is johnson...and dusk cover is thoe congruent colour
scheme andy put together, evil because the colours are expected--red
and purple, evil and nightime or almost nightime.

I've got this huge dusk poster, can't find a frame so have to get out
and customize that sucker. still waiting for the glass to be cut.

anyhow, i really like the night little poster in the Infected torture
ltd edition though. just screams at you, yikes.

euthelene

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From: "C.O' Brien"
Subject: Andy Johnston

Seeing as there's been a distinct lack of conversing over 'infected',
why not revive it, by touching on the extremely trivial aspect of album
sleeves.

Of all Andy Dog's work -and I should think most will agree with me
here-, I
think the most striking cover, is that of the tormented, scarlet figure
hovering over the London skyline, on Dusk.

Although, the open-mouthed entity on Infected, is quite captivating,
and as
for the original Soul Mining cover ........ damn it, they're all good.

Any further meditations on the subject???




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From: DJH
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:46:21 -0500
Message-ID: <3149123D.7570@ipgnet.com>

Could someone tell me where the ThE tHe song is
in the movie Judge Dredd. It was credited along with
a Cocteau Twins song I couldn't hear either !

djh
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From: Jan Wirken
To: DJH
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:43:10 +0100 (MET)
Message-Id:

I've never ever heard the song. Sorry.

Bye

Jan

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On Fri, 15 Mar 1996, DJH wrote:

> Could someone tell me where the ThE tHe song is
> in the movie Judge Dredd. It was credited along with
> a Cocteau Twins song I couldn't hear either !
>
> djh
>
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: dredd
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:36:21 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

terrible movie. you can hear the song for about 15 seconds, and there is
other music playing on top of it, in a big street scene where armand
assante is wandering around. very brief.

- ---------------------------------------------------------
Never sing for my supper, I never help my neighbor.
Never do what is proper, for my fair share of labor.
I'm a poor boy, and I'm a rover.
Count your coins and throw them over my shoulder.
I may grow older, nobody knows
How cold it grows.
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: DJH
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:00:06 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:

Agreed, I rented the movie two nights ago and didn't hear any of the
songs of the soundtrack except for the White Zombie one (when the future
yuppie got his car blown up). Of course, the movie sucked, with a really
bad neo-Platonist/elitist message that was discomforting, and
violence/action that couldn't hold a candle to a John Woo flick... but I
go off... I was at least hoping to hear the The song, it would have made
up for the money spent on rental. Oh well...

Patrick


> Could someone tell me where the ThE tHe song is
> in the movie Judge Dredd. It was credited along with
> a Cocteau Twins song I couldn't hear either !
>
> djh
>
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 11:36:19 EST
Message-Id: <199603151636.KAA02775@cs.uchicago.edu>


Sure, that is a classically bad movie. It's not even entertainingly bad
(eg. Bad Taste). Stallone just isn't Dredd. It's a shame Clint Eastwood
was a bit too old for the part, he would have been perfect (especially as
Dredd was modelled on him originally).

Anyway, I digress. What is the song like? I don't have the sound track.

Blair

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From: Patrick Stewart
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: DJH
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu

Agreed, I rented the movie two nights ago and didn't hear any of the
songs of the soundtrack except for the White Zombie one (when the future
yuppie got his car blown up). Of course, the movie sucked, with a really
bad neo-Platonist/elitist message that was discomforting, and
violence/action that couldn't hold a candle to a John Woo flick... but I
go off... I was at least hoping to hear the The song, it would have made
up for the money spent on rental. Oh well...

Patrick


> Could someone tell me where the ThE tHe song is
> in the movie Judge Dredd. It was credited along with
> a Cocteau Twins song I couldn't hear either !
>
> djh
>

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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: False Alarm
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 1996 21:05:36 GMT
Message-Id: <199603152105.VAA13680@GPO.iol.ie>

WARNING!!!

Any of you cinemagoers out there, may in the coming weeks, see a film
(mostly in art-house cinemas though) with the rather familiar title:

'From Dusk 'til Dawn'

No, the world hasn't been converted to Thethe .....yet, and started
belatedly displaying the wares of the aforementioned group.

This film is in fact, decidely less exciting, starring Michael Parks (?)
(The word 'star' and 'Michael Parks' side-by-side seem a little incongruent
really)

(Film is in the Dublin Film Festival at the mo.)


Carl


------------------------------
From: Brandon K Snavely
To: Infected
Subject: guitarist on dM tour?
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 01:21:28 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

This question has been playing on my mind lately: I saw Depeche
Mode/the The at the spectrum in Philly in September of 1993. For some
reason Johnny Marr wasn't there; somebody else was playing guitar. Who
was it, and why wasn't it Johnny? Btw, where was Dave Palmer that tour,
als? I've heard from a few people that Andy Kubiszewski (now drums for
Stabbing Westward) played drums for the The that tour.

freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%
"...one day I asked the angels for inspiration;
the devil bought me a drink, and he's been buying
them ever since." -the The, "the mercy beat"
------------------------------
From: Madhatter
To: Brandon K Snavely
Cc: Infected
Subject: Re: guitarist on dM tour?
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 13:59:41 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:

On Sat, 16 Mar 1996, Brandon K Snavely wrote:

> This question has been playing on my mind lately: I saw Depeche
> Mode/the The at the spectrum in Philly in September of 1993. For some
> reason Johnny Marr wasn't there; somebody else was playing guitar. Who
> was it, and why wasn't it Johnny? Btw, where was Dave Palmer that tour,
> als? I've heard from a few people that Andy Kubiszewski (now drums for
> Stabbing Westward) played drums for the The that tour.
>
> freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
> ===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%
> "...one day I asked the angels for inspiration;
> the devil bought me a drink, and he's been buying
> them ever since." -the The, "the mercy beat"
>
>


I believe Marr had just had a kid (actually, it was probably his wife who
had the kid) so he was home with the baby.

joel
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From: Hirschdave@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: more from aol
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 15:31:57 -0500
Message-ID: <960317153155_248273823@emout09.mail.aol.com>

more stuff off america on line. this sounds like fun...

Subj: NEW ALBUM NEWS
Date: 96-03-10 16:58:58 EST
From: THETHEXXX

The new album from The The (Untitled as yet) will be released in January
1997. The album features Matt Johnson and Eric Schermerhorn on guitars.
Spencer Campbell on bass and Earl Harvin on drums. This is the line up Matt
has spent the last few years trying to put together and that he believes is
his best band yet. The sound has been stripped down, and for the first time a
The The album has no keyboards (or even harmonica). The drums are muscular,
the bass simple and sub-sonic, and the guitars have been treated and twisted
to sound like no keyboard ever could. The songs are short, sharp, aggressive,
passionate yet ... psychotically melodic. In short, it's probably the best
The The album yet.
There will be a full scale world tour in 1997/1998 with a couple of
compilation albums to be released sometime during the tour.
That's all folks!!!
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From: rfd@bu.edu (Two Sheds)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: more from aol
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:09:23 -0500
Message-Id:

>There will be a full scale world tour in 1997/1998 with a couple of
>compilation albums to be released sometime during the tour.

Hmmm. Now what would these compilation albums consist of?


Rich
Boston Univ.
rfd@acs.bu.edu

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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David M. Jellinek)
To: rfd@bu.edu (Two Sheds), infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: more from aol
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 96 15:47:34 EST
Message-Id:

At 3:09 PM 3/19/96, Two Sheds wrote:
>>There will be a full scale world tour in 1997/1998 with a couple of
>>compilation albums to be released sometime during the tour.
>
>Hmmm. Now what would these compilation albums consist of?

Hear is one vote for a single CD EP just full of Perfect Variations (double
meaning intended); a fully length live CD; outtakes/other versions/remixes
(but not already released ones); and of course Pornograhphy, but that may
be asking for too much...

I can't go 10 (more, actually: we all know it'll be late) months!

Dave

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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: compilations
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 19:09:01 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

thethexxx has threatened a comp. release of porno of despair and some of
the early 12"s. i think they had planned for 1 cd of stuff, it is good
to see that there will be two. there is a lot of junk that deserves
rereleasing.

- ---------------------------------------------------------
Never sing for my supper, I never help my neighbor.
Never do what is proper, for my fair share of labor.
I'm a poor boy, and I'm a rover.
Count your coins and throw them over my shoulder.
I may grow older, nobody knows
How cold it grows.
------------------------------
From: Genepool@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: more from aol
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 09:44:45 -0500
Message-ID: <960320094445_250958737@emout08.mail.aol.com>

<
The long awaited Pornography of Dispair??

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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Compilation Albums
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:22:37 -0500
Message-Id: <9603201622.AA26803@cyberworld.com>

If theThe's record company had any marketing savvy, they would release
one of the compilation albums now. Right now! Any record company execs
out there listening????

I don't want to wait another year... I can't wait another year... whaa...
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: distorting thoughts
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:34:08 GMT
Message-Id: <199603232334.XAA10784@GPO.iol.ie>

A thought occured to me recently (suprising as it seems), concerning Mr
Johnson's use of a voice distorter. Being a Beatle fan too, (yeah,
yeah...Real Love ain't anything special..and it does sound like Lennon is
singing down a bad phoneline) I suppose it was John Winston Lennon who was
the pioneer of that voice distorter thing....you know, 'I am The Walrus' etc.

Now, it's generally accepted that John used it, not only for effect, but
because he felt uncomfortable about hearing the sound of his own voice. Now
with Matt's use of it, he certainly uses it for artistic effect, but I
wonder does it have anything to do with not feeling at ease with his own voice??

Just a thought.
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From: "Benjamin "Quincy" Cabell V"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The music on the Internet...
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:47:17 +0000
Message-Id: <199603240548.AAA08888@bigboote.WPI.EDU>

Hello -

I've been messing around lately with the whole Real Audio thing for
the Internet (and more specifically the Web). If you haven't tried
it yet, get it (http://www.realaudio.com/)! It is amazing! Real-time
audio and music... and in some cases live radio broadcasts from
around the world, all sent as data packets across the Internet.

I downloaded one of the Real Audio personal servers and would like to
set it up to serve the The to any and all us on the Internet...
I could use some help, though... if you could digitize some of your
favorite the The songs, particularly some of the less familiar
ones... and I can convert them to Real Audio format and put them on
the server... Anyone interested?

Thanks.

- - Quincy

- --

Benjamin Cabell V
"Quincy"
Besiex Software
FrIJDE Project Manager
Mechanical Engineering Student
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Citizen of the world #1,855,483,213.
Etc.

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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: thethe@WPI.EDU
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The music on the Internet...
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:42:45
Message-Id: <199603250037.TAA18867@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>

-
>
>I've been messing around lately with the whole Real Audio thing for
>the Internet (and more specifically the Web). If you haven't tried
>it yet, get it (http://www.realaudio.com/)! It is amazing! Real-time
>audio and music... and in some cases live radio broadcasts from
>around the world, all sent as data packets across the Internet.
>
>I downloaded one of the Real Audio personal servers and would like to
>set it up to serve the The to any and all us on the Internet...
>I could use some help, though... if you could digitize some of your
>favorite the The songs, particularly some of the less familiar
>ones... and I can convert them to Real Audio format and put them on
>the server... Anyone interested?


Uh, I'm aleady working on that!
I will soon be unvailing a new the The site--one that fills in around the
edges of Steve's EXCELLENT page. Just lil things that I think need to be up.
One of them is a complete list of the THE links. I know of Steve's page and
the sony one--anyone know of others?
JaY
(hi dave)

LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: From Dusk 'til Dawn
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:32:39 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id:

On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Cey wrote:

>
> For those of you without it, CDnow has it listed on VHS-NTSC for
> $68.30(jap). Whether they have it in stock I do not know. The thing I
> find most curious is the price for the laser disc is the same --go
> figure?
>
> If you're interested:
> http://cdnow.com ~search under "the the"
>
I had the video on order through CD Now for 4 months before
canceling the order. They kept telling me that they would get it in, but
never seemed to pull through. Besides $68.30 US is a little expensive
for a video!

S.B. :)
_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."

-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
------------------------------
From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: distorting thoughts
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 01:58:58 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB19EE.A68EAE20@ppp-mia-64.shadow.net>

That sounds fairly reasonable, I think if you listen to Cold Spell Ahead =
you can get a good idea of what he did or does not like about his voice =
"clean." I don't think this has been a problem in quite a while though, =
at least for my ears. As far as the Lennon comparison, I've seen =
numerous links to John from Matt's guitars to his lyrical stylings--so =
that would be entirely possible. Which reminds me, Is "The Mercy Beat" =
title refer to the paper or the era? =20

- ----------
From: C.O' Brien[SMTP:obrienc@iol.ie]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 1996 6:34 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: distorting thoughts

A thought occured to me recently (suprising as it seems), concerning Mr
Johnson's use of a voice distorter. Being a Beatle fan too, (yeah,
yeah...Real Love ain't anything special..and it does sound like Lennon =
is
singing down a bad phoneline) I suppose it was John Winston Lennon who =
was
the pioneer of that voice distorter thing....you know, 'I am The Walrus' =
etc.

Now, it's generally accepted that John used it, not only for effect, but
because he felt uncomfortable about hearing the sound of his own voice. =
Now
with Matt's use of it, he certainly uses it for artistic effect, but I
wonder does it have anything to do with not feeling at ease with his own =
voice??

Just a thought.=20


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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: huh?
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:57:57
Message-Id: <199603260651.BAA31365@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>

I was just looking at the 4AD the The page
(http://www.evo.org/html/group/the.html#the)
and saw that Controversial Subject was released in CD format...
anyone have this?

JaY

LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
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From: Joonas Virtasalo
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The music on the Internet...
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:40:26 +0200
Message-Id: <199603261140.NAA28328@jazz>


>I will soon be unvailing a new the The site--one that fills in around the
>edges of Steve's EXCELLENT page. Just lil things that I think need to be up.
>One of them is a complete list of the THE links. I know of Steve's page and
>the sony one--anyone know of others?

Great!

If you're interested, I have a little TheThe page at
http://www.spt.fi/~joonas/thethe/
with some TheThe tablatures. Unfortunately the fucking (sorry for the bad
language, but it _really_ pisses me off) WWW server is down until 1.5.

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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: title
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:17:24
Message-Id: <199603261711.MAA13667@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>

any suggestions for the title of my new the The page?

ie: soul mining
infected (a list and now a page?)
P.O.D.
Hell is Heavenly (andy dog painting, I think they play off each other enough
this would be ok)
Delerious?

help!

JaY

LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The page
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:18:47
Message-Id: <199603262113.QAA22328@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>

I was talking with Dave H. earlier and he suggested we all get pictures of
ourselves, scan them...and I'll put them on the new site. Yes, no? Dave
always comes up with such good ideas!

So far the suggestions for a title have been:
1) before the dawn
2) soul mining
3) infected
4) the soul mine
5) hell is heavenly

keep them coming...

JaY

LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Page Name
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:56:54 -0500
Message-Id: <9603261856.AA22974@cyberworld.com>

How about:

The Soul Mine

Just a thought...
------------------------------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: title
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:11:21 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199603262011.OAA01009@lily.cs.uchicago.edu>

the respected and revered luster is the name of my band spake thusly:
> any suggestions for the title of my new the The page?
>
> infected (a list and now a page?)

actually, i do have a page for this mailing list, and it's
called infected, just like the list itself. so maybe that
wouldn't be the best name for another the The page.

i haven't really been advertising the page, but now seems a good
time. it has all the previous posts archived, but there is not much
else on it. if anybody wants to put anything up there, e.g. images,
tabs/chords, audio files, interviews, links to other sites,
or whatever else you have, mail me and i'll put it up.
the page is at:

http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~behfar/infected.html

peace,
behfar
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From: Peter Caira
To: luster is the name of my band
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:17:36 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:


How about "the Kingdom of Rain?"
or simply "Solitude?"

Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira

Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
------------------------------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:31:45 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199603262331.RAA01055@lily.cs.uchicago.edu>

the respected and revered Peter Caira spake thusly:
>
> How about "the Kingdom of Rain?"
> or simply "Solitude?"

or "the twilight page".


- -behfar
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From: Kstrick@aol.com
To: INFECTED@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:33:57 -0500
Message-ID: <960327033353_179078247@emout08.mail.aol.com>

]
]the respected and revered Peter Caira spake thusly:
]>
]> How about "the Kingdom of Rain?"
]> or simply "Solitude?"
]
]or "the twilight page".
]
]
]-behfar

Sweet Page of Truth? (Sweet Bird of Truth)
This is the Page? (This is the day)
Page of Lust? (Dogs of Lust)
Lonely Planet? (or Pla-NET)
or.... How about.....
Gun Sluts? (ya I know it's been killed)....

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From: Graham Moore
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:17:22 +0000 (GMT)
Message-ID: <9603271022.aa06885@tresco.london.sco.com>


How about "Home of the Lost, Lustful and Lonely".

Graham

>the respected and revered Peter Caira spake thusly:
>>
>> How about "the Kingdom of Rain?"
>> or simply "Solitude?"
>
>or "the twilight page".
>
>
>-behfar
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: i'll second that
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:00:53 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:

On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Graham Moore wrote:

>
> How about "Home of the Lost, Lustful and Lonely".
>
> Graham
>
methinks that's a great title!
wendy
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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:46:10 CST
Message-Id: <9603271646.AA29076@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>

How about "Heartland" for a title? I also liked the "Lonely Planet"
suggestion.

walker
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From: John Higgs
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:55:16 GMT
Message-Id: <199603271755.RAA15130@netcom.co.uk>

Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

Forgive my morbid curiosity, but can anyone either confirm or deny that Matt
has had his dick pierced? I know he threatened to show a journalist in
Liverpool once...

And as for Web site titles, I'd go for The Mercy Beat myself.

Cheers,


John


------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 09:55:42 PST
Message-Id: red-51-msg960327175636MTP[01.52.00]000000a6-109967

My vote goes for "The Soul Mine"

Doug

- ----------
|From: Douglas H Walker
|To: <"infected@cs.uchicago.edu">;
|Subject: Re: the The page
|Date: Wednesday, March 27, 1996 8:46AM
|
|How about "Heartland" for a title? I also liked the "Lonely Planet"
|suggestion.
|
|walker
|
|
|

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From: "Jan Schneider" <00schnei@HRZ.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
To: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band), infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: title
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:02:07 +0100
Message-Id: <199603271808.AA060510086@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>

How about "Dawn to Dusk"?
Btw it's the name of the first CD from Smashing Pumpkins' "Mellon
Collie and the Infinite Sadness"
Or better "Dusk to Dawn" - the preferred time for listening to the
The?

Cheers, Jan!
____________________________________________________________
### Everybody knows, what's going wrong with the world,
but I don't even know what's going on in myself (M.J.)
v ______________________________________________________
--- JAN SCHNEIDER <00-Schneider@Post.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
http://www.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de/~00schnei/jan.htm
------------------------------
From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:14:28 GMT
Message-Id: <199603271814.SAA06910@GPO.iol.ie>

At 16:18 26/03/96, jay wrote:

>So far the suggestions for a title have been:
>1) before the dawn
>2) soul mining
>3) infected
>4) the soul mine
>5) hell is heavenly

How about 'The Violent Truth'. The name 'Pornography of Despair', also
occured to me, but with a title like that, I'm sure the internationl
net-police would be visiting it everyday?!?

Carl.
------------------------------
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:15:54 EST
Message-Id: <199603271916.NAA07068@cs.uchicago.edu>


Yep, sure - it was Volume 9 (I think), and the track is called 'Lip Tripping'.

It's got a short intro by Matt, and the track itself is an instrumental. It's
a pretty cool track, and worth buying the CD for.

Dunno about the piercing...not my cup of tea anyway (but maybe I'm just
repressed..!)

Haven't given the Web site name much thought yet really, but so far I think
I'd have to go for 'The Soul Mine'.

It's up to you. I guess you might want to avoid any Pornography (of Despair)
references for obvious reasons... ;)

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
OSU 1
IBM Warwick Site
PO Box 31, Birmingham Road, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5JL

TEL: Internal 7-665211 : External +44 (0)1926 465211
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:55:16 GMT
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: John Higgs
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...

Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

Forgive my morbid curiosity, but can anyone either confirm or deny that Matt
has had his dick pierced? I know he threatened to show a journalist in
Liverpool once...

And as for Web site titles, I'd go for The Mercy Beat myself.

Cheers,


John










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From: John Jenkins
To: "'List: The The'"
Subject: The The Web Site
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:40:03 -0330
Message-Id: <01BB1C15.32990280@newcd17.newcomm.net>

Have to cast my vote for "The Soul Mine"...

Regards...

John Jenkins - PKS/MOF - Hibernia
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From: Chad Damon Lawley
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Marr
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:52:13 -0600
Message-id: <1.5.4b12.32.19960328025213.864ff5f8@mail.usask.ca>

I was just wondering where Jonny Marr is. Is he currently playing with a
band, and if so , what band?
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From: dskirkwood@TrentU.ca
To: "C.O' Brien"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the The page
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:38:57 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id:

i'm thinking "The The Truth", but i guess i'm boring
davek.
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From: Joonas Virtasalo
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: My homepage
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:47:22 +0200
Message-Id: <199603280847.KAA09901@jazz>

Somehow our local WWW server went back on line today! It wasn't supposed to
happen before 1.5.

This means that my little TheThe homepage is online at:
http://www.spt.fi/~joonas/thethe/
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Joonas Virtasalo, Satakunta Polytechnic, ADP deparntment | Well, I had
e-mail: joonas@jazz.cc.spt.fi | a tagline
home page: http://www.spt.fi/~joonas | once ...
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From: "vickie ellis"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:29:07 EST5EDT
Message-ID: <152769C2CB7@titan.cc.emory.edu>

I have this one, will look to see what the exact title is, perhaps
you can order it, or maybe find it at a used-record store like I
did...it's well worth it - and the booklet has a good many pages
on the history of thethe, and some cool pics too...
will let ya know!
Vickie

ate: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:15:54 EST
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...


Yep, sure - it was Volume 9 (I think), and the track is called 'Lip Tripping'.

It's got a short intro by Matt, and the track itself is an instrumental. It's
a pretty cool track, and worth buying the CD for.

Dunno about the piercing...not my cup of tea anyway (but maybe I'm just
repressed..!)

Haven't given the Web site name much thought yet really, but so far I think
I'd have to go for 'The Soul Mine'.

It's up to you. I guess you might want to avoid any Pornography (of Despair)
references for obvious reasons... ;)

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
OSU 1
IBM Warwick Site
PO Box 31, Birmingham Road, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5JL

TEL: Internal 7-665211 : External +44 (0)1926 465211
FAX: +44 (0)1926-311345

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:55:16 GMT
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: John Higgs
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...

Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

Forgive my morbid curiosity, but can anyone either confirm or deny that Matt
has had his dick pierced? I know he threatened to show a journalist in
Liverpool once...

And as for Web site titles, I'd go for The Mercy Beat myself.

Cheers,


John










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From: Kstrick@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:51:34 -0500
Message-ID: <960328165133_500386030@mail04>

Let me know what the exact title is.....
I would like to try and get it as well...
I work at a record store, so if I'll try and find out if it's in print...

___________
Subj: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Thu, Mar 28, 1996 6:37 AM PST
From: vellis@titan.cc.emory.edu
X-From: vellis@titan.cc.emory.edu (vickie ellis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu

I have this one, will look to see what the exact title is, perhaps
you can order it, or maybe find it at a used-record store like I
did...it's well worth it - and the booklet has a good many pages
on the history of thethe, and some cool pics too...
will let ya know!
Vickie

ate: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:15:54 EST
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...


Yep, sure - it was Volume 9 (I think), and the track is called 'Lip
Tripping'.

It's got a short intro by Matt, and the track itself is an instrumental. It's
a pretty cool track, and worth buying the CD for.

Dunno about the piercing...not my cup of tea anyway (but maybe I'm just
repressed..!)

Haven't given the Web site name much thought yet really, but so far I think
I'd have to go for 'The Soul Mine'.

It's up to you. I guess you might want to avoid any Pornography (of Despair)
references for obvious reasons... ;)

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
OSU 1
IBM Warwick Site
PO Box 31, Birmingham Road, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5JL

TEL: Internal 7-665211 : External +44 (0)1926 465211
FAX: +44 (0)1926-311345

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:55:16 GMT
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: John Higgs
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...

Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

Forgive my morbid curiosity, but can anyone either confirm or deny that Matt
has had his dick pierced? I know he threatened to show a journalist in
Liverpool once...

And as for Web site titles, I'd go for The Mercy Beat myself.

Cheers,


John
------------------------------
From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the CD with the fish on it
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:33:09 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:


Hi !
As a relatively new member of the list, I'm glad to salute all of you.
I'm glad to finally help you on something. I don't know if the Volume 9
still exists in print, but I'm sure you can get "the best of volume",
which was released last year. I bought it in my hometown last summer, and
I can assure you that if I've found it there, its everywhere!!!
Its got "lip tripping" on it, as well as a booklet containing a
questionnaire answered by Matt (very interesting). It's a double CD pack
with unique recordings by various artists. Excellent compilation.
Hope this will help you out...

Marie

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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (Slide Projector Lie Detector)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Various
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:35:22 +0100
Message-Id: <96032909352236@mozart.which.co.uk>

RE: Matt's piercing.
Yes, it is true, according to the Sony (I think) Yearbook for 1992/93 (or it
could have been 1993/94) Matt had his manhood pierced.

RE: Volume
Volume is a compilation 'magazine' with a CD,usually, although you can get it on
Vinyl, all the tracks on the CD are exclusive and so if there's ever any artist
you like it's worth getting, mind you I don't know whether it is still going,
but still.

The the were on issue 8 or 9 and contributed Lip Tripping which,
although others appear to beg to differ, I wouldn't say was that exciting, it
was just an uncompleted loop which, if staying as an instrumental would be
pretty dull but had potential as a new complete song. Still, it is worth
getting for the fact that it's exclusive, has a spoken intro (in a very, erm,
sensitive mic - you can hear him gulping!) and the booklet, although it falls
apart within seconds, has got lots of decent pages on The the.

Jake.
------------------------------
From: "vickie ellis"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:35:41 EST5EDT
Message-ID: <16A9332346D@titan.cc.emory.edu>

More than you ever wanted to know about the fish CD:
The title is 'Volume six' cat.no 6vcd6. Says 'published by
'World's End Limited', available by subscription or record store,
address is 22/23 brook mews north, london, w2 3bw. Distributed by
The Total Record Company via BMG (UK) Ltd.

It has 18 lovely pages on Matt/TheThe and I really like the
instrumental and Matt's intro.Will be interesting to see if it turns
up in a future recording.

Hope this helps!
V



Let me know what the exact title is.....
I would like to try and get it as well...
I work at a record store, so if I'll try and find out if it's in print...

___________
Subj: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Thu, Mar 28, 1996 6:37 AM PST
From: vellis@titan.cc.emory.edu
X-From: vellis@titan.cc.emory.edu (vickie ellis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu

I have this one, will look to see what the exact title is, perhaps
you can order it, or maybe find it at a used-record store like I
did...it's well worth it - and the booklet has a good many pages
on the history of thethe, and some cool pics too...
will let ya know!
Vickie

ate: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:15:54 EST
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...


Yep, sure - it was Volume 9 (I think), and the track is called 'Lip
Tripping'.

It's got a short intro by Matt, and the track itself is an instrumental. It's
a pretty cool track, and worth buying the CD for.

Dunno about the piercing...not my cup of tea anyway (but maybe I'm just
repressed..!)

Haven't given the Web site name much thought yet really, but so far I think
I'd have to go for 'The Soul Mine'.

It's up to you. I guess you might want to avoid any Pornography (of Despair)
references for obvious reasons... ;)

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
OSU 1
IBM Warwick Site
PO Box 31, Birmingham Road, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5JL

TEL: Internal 7-665211 : External +44 (0)1926 465211
FAX: +44 (0)1926-311345

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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:55:16 GMT
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: John Higgs
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...

Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

Forgive my morbid curiosity, but can anyone either confirm or deny that Matt
has had his dick pierced? I know he threatened to show a journalist in
Liverpool once...

And as for Web site titles, I'd go for The Mercy Beat myself.

Cheers,


John
------------------------------
From: "Paul T."
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fan Club
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:30:56 +0100
Message-Id: <199603291230.NAA23784@storm.certix.fr>

I'm so happy to "meet" so many people loving this band.

Is there any known TheThe fanclub in FRANCE?

Un grand salut =E0 la TheThe communaut=E9
(Bonjour =E0 Marie-Claude ASSELIN...Qu=E9b=E9coise?)
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From: rbs@cyberworld.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What guitars
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:58:00 -0500
Message-Id: <9603291558.AA24120@cyberworld.com>


Does anybody know what guitar(s) Matt Johnson uses? Model and brand?
Just curious...
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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:12:01 EST
Message-Id: <199603291712.LAA27779@cs.uchicago.edu>


I agree...I really love the instrumental as well. Yes, it's simple, but there's
something about it...you've just got to listen to it with the lights out and
an orange street light playing shadows on the wall. It's cool. If you like
'Arctic Twilight' you'll like 'Lip Tripping'.

Blair Downs
IBM Global Network Applications Qualification and Support
OSU 1
IBM Warwick Site
PO Box 31, Birmingham Road, Warwick, Warwickshire CV34 5JL

TEL: Internal 7-665211 : External +44 (0)1926 465211
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From: "vickie ellis"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:35:41 EST5EDT
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...

More than you ever wanted to know about the fish CD:
The title is 'Volume six' cat.no 6vcd6. Says 'published by
'World's End Limited', available by subscription or record store,
address is 22/23 brook mews north, london, w2 3bw. Distributed by
The Total Record Company via BMG (UK) Ltd.

It has 18 lovely pages on Matt/TheThe and I really like the
instrumental and Matt's intro.Will be interesting to see if it turns
up in a future recording.

Hope this helps!
V



Let me know what the exact title is.....
I would like to try and get it as well...
I work at a record store, so if I'll try and find out if it's in print...

___________
Subj: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Thu, Mar 28, 1996 6:37 AM PST
From: vellis@titan.cc.emory.edu
X-From: vellis@titan.cc.emory.edu (vickie ellis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu

I have this one, will look to see what the exact title is, perhaps
you can order it, or maybe find it at a used-record store like I
did...it's well worth it - and the booklet has a good many pages






on the history of thethe, and some cool pics too...
will let ya know!
Vickie

ate: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:15:54 EST
From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...


Yep, sure - it was Volume 9 (I think), and the track is called 'Lip
Tripping'.

It's got a short intro by Matt, and the track itself is an instrumental. It's
a pretty cool track, and worth buying the CD for.

Dunno about the piercing...not my cup of tea anyway (but maybe I'm just
repressed..!)

Haven't given the Web site name much thought yet really, but so far I think
I'd have to go for 'The Soul Mine'.

It's up to you. I guess you might want to avoid any Pornography (of Despair)
references for obvious reasons... ;)

Blair Downs
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Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:55:16 GMT
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: John Higgs
Subject: The CD with the fish on it...

Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

Forgive my morbid curiosity, but can anyone either confirm or deny that Matt
has had his dick pierced? I know he threatened to show a journalist in
Liverpool once...

And as for Web site titles, I'd go for The Mercy Beat myself.

Cheers,








John


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From: blair@uk.ibm.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:13:15 EST
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Hmmm...well, when I said it was '9' I meant '6' - I was probably holding it
upside down...!

Blair Downs
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:57:51 -0600 (CST)
From: James Bykowy
To: blair@uk.ibm.com
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...


On Wed, 27 Mar 1996 blair@uk.ibm.com wrote:

> Yep, sure - it was Volume 9 (I think), and the track is called 'Lip
Tripping'.
>
> It's got a short intro by Matt, and the track itself is an instrumental. It's
> a pretty cool track, and worth buying the CD for.

> Does anybody know anything about a "various artists" CD that appeared a
> couple of years ago called "Volume 9" (or maybe 10, or 11..). It had an
> exclusive new The The track, the name of which I have long forgotten, and
> the CD had disapeared from the racks moons ago. For some reason, the CD had
> a nice picture of a big yellow fish on the sleeve, and came with a chunky
> little book. It was probably only available here in the UK.

It was Volume 6. I have it. Cost me about L30 Cdn. It profiled a lot
of UK bands. Eh... not bad. Don't think I'd buy any more of the series.

James Bykowy
ab956@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca



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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:27:21 CST
Message-Id: <9603291827.AA03304@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>

I just spoke with my local CD store owner, and he found a CD titled
"Volume 6" but the catalog states the label as Volume, not World's End
Limited, and he said he thought the Volume label was distributed by
Caroline. Does anyone know if this is the same CD? If I order it I have
to pay for it even if it's a compilation of Loverboy B-sides.

Thanks

walker
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From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the CD with the fish on it
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:54:03 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:


The real title of the best of volume double CD that I wrote about
yesterday is "Sharks patrol these waters, the best of volume too"
(no mistake here). Unfortunately, the booklet does not contain as many
pages on the The, but you'll get the track,the spoken intro, and most of the
other tracks are not too bad.


For the web page, I vote for "the soul mine"

until later...
Marie
(Bonjour Paul! Oui, je suis Quebecoise, de la ville de Quebec. Tu es
le premier fan francophone de the The que je "rencontre"!!!)









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From: MARIE-CLAUDE ASSELIN
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marr
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:58:12 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:


About Johnny Marr, I've read in the new musical express that he appeared
on stage with Black Grape last month to play a couple of songs...


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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Fabio Lacerda
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:28:18 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199603301928.NAA28690@gargoyle.cs.uchicago.edu>


From: Fabio Lacerda
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: pages

Sorry about the first message...

A few more pages to add:



http://loki.stockton.edu/~stk1069/the_the.html

http://waj106.rh.psu.edu/thethe/thethe.html

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From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: Lots o' stuff
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:14:04 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB1EFB.94482040@ppp-mia-70.shadow.net>

I whipped out the old Mind Bomb to it was a certain Andrew Johnson =
painting that inspired the title. I'm sure everybody that read your =
question, has learned this by now. I'd say that Andy's title is a play =
on The Beat Generation, you know; Burroughs, Kerouac and the like. =
Perhaps, Matt chose it because he fancied himself a poet similar to the =
Beatniks.


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From: Smiley Boy[SMTP:sakeedwe@acs.ucalgary.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 1996 9:44 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Lots o' stuff


...Question One
Did MJ create the title "The Beat(en) Generation"? I was looking=20
through a buddy's CD collection the other day and found a compelation of =

Brit-pop music called... you guessed it ... The Beat(en) Generation. =20
Within the sleeve, there was no mention of MJ or the The. Does this =
mean=20
that someone ripped off Matt, or was MJ just borrowing the phrase?
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From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: What guitars
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:21:46 -0500
Message-ID: <01BB1EFC.A9D63400@ppp-mia-70.shadow.net>

Matt's a Rickenbacker man. I'm not familiar with Ricks, so I can't give =
you a model. He does seem to be fond of black/white guitars, so was =
Lennon--go figure. The only other guitar I've seen him with is that =
lovely hollowbody he's holding in the video for "heartland."

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From: rbs@cyberworld.com[SMTP:rbs@cyberworld.com]
Sent: Friday, March 29, 1996 10:58 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What guitars


Does anybody know what guitar(s) Matt Johnson uses? Model and brand?
Just curious...


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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Lots o' stuff
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 14:44:25 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id:

Hey,

How about the title "Sweet Page of Truth" for the web site?


Question One
Did MJ create the title "The Beat(en) Generation"? I was looking
through a buddy's CD collection the other day and found a compelation of
Brit-pop music called... you guessed it ... The Beat(en) Generation.
Within the sleeve, there was no mention of MJ or the The. Does this mean
that someone ripped off Matt, or was MJ just borrowing the phrase?

Question Two (stated in hopes of starting a discussion)
What do you think makes a good songwriter? Matt is damn good,
but is there anyone else that people tend to enjoy, based on songwriting
ability? (yes I'm looking for some new music)
My two bits go to the Levellers. They write songs that are
politically and socially motivated. I have always been a
critic of modern society and organized religion (probably why I like "The
Violence of Truth" and "Good Morning Beautiful" so much). The Levellers
seem to share the same feelings and emotions on the subject as I do. I
could discuss this further but I fear I would be rambling.


Cheers
S.B. :)

By the way, I got my copy of Volume 6 through CD Now. As much as I hate
CD Now, they were actually able to come through with that order (and a
HUGE shipping and handling bill).

_________________________________________________________________________
"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
"And he has Brain."
"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
There was a long silence
"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."

-- A.A. Milne
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Lots o' stuff
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 16:03:07 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199603312203.QAA01904@lily.cs.uchicago.edu>

the respected and revered Smiley Boy spake thusly:
> Did MJ create the title "The Beat(en) Generation"? I was looking
> through a buddy's CD collection the other day and found a compelation of
> Brit-pop music called... you guessed it ... The Beat(en) Generation.
> Within the sleeve, there was no mention of MJ or the The. Does this mean
> that someone ripped off Matt, or was MJ just borrowing the phrase?

i don't have the cd in front of me, but isn't there sth
in the liner notes that says the phrase was the title of
some painting/art work?

- -behfar
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From: Smiley Boy
To: The Infected Ones
Subject: Re: Lots o' stuff
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:27:00 -0700 (MST)
Message-Id:

> smiley boy, if you like the levellers and are a critic
> of modern society, AND are looking for some new music,
> check out New Model Army (in case you haven't yet, which is
> unlikely if you listen to the levellers).
> they are socially conscious (in *every* song), with *great*
> songwriting, grand and melodic. also, influenced by The Clash,
> which i think also was one of the best bands ever.
>
> i can give album recommendations if you want.
>
> cheers,
> behfar
>

I really like the New Model Army disc I have: "The Love of Hopeless
Causes" (I believe that is the title but don't quote me on that because the
disc is not in my posession right now). I'd highly recommend it. I'd also
mention that Rage Against the Machine is great for that style of music as
well, only a bit harsher (if that is a word). But if I were to plug Rage
I'd be rambling again :).

S.B. :)

The Beat(en) Generation a piece of art? ... I'd like to see it b/c I
really dig the title!!
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The CD with the fish on it...
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:58:23
Message-Id: <199604010352.WAA23596@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>

>Let me know what the exact title is.....
>I would like to try and get it as well...
>I work at a record store, so if I'll try and find out if it's in print...

I know I'm the billionth person to reply to this, but here's the real info
you need:

Volume Six
6VCD6
Scan code:5018524050321 (if you work in a rec. store...you know how important
that is...)
call: 071-706-8122 (i think they will sell them direct)
or try: www.cdnow.com and cdeuorope.com (telnet, where I got my copy)
enough?

JaY

LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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From: luster@gnn.com (luster is the name of my band)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The page
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:04:04
Message-Id: <199604010358.WAA07312@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>

I hope I'm not boring everyone to death with this, but a lot of people have
sent email concerning a title for my the The page.

I'd like help narrowing it down...

So far the suggestions for a title have been:

1) before the dawn
2) soul mining
3) infected
4) the soul mine
5) hell is heavenly
6) the twilight page
7) the Kingdom of Rain
8) Solitude
9) Sweet Page of Truth
10)This is the Page
11)Page of Lust
12)Lonely Planet (or Pla-NET)
13)Gun Sluts
14)Home of the Lost, Lustful and Lonely
15)scan my ass (Dave Hirsch)
16)Dusk to Dawn
17)the violent truth
18)heartland
19)the mercy beat
20)The The Truth


PLEASE PICK ONE AND REPLY TO ME!!!
thanks,
JaY


LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER LUSTER
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Lots o' stuff
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:09:44 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4b12.16.19960331190307.232f30d6@haven.uniserve.com>

I've also seen the "beaten generation" at some point or another on something
or another and wondered about that.

As for song writers I look for both political as well as social
intelligence. How about Billy Bragg? British as well, very political,
excellent writer but somehow not as good musically i find. The
"housemartins" are also pretty political and EXCELLENT lyrics, though not as
morbid/real as matt, more "upity" music. Opinions?

richard

A
t 02:44 PM 3/31/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey,
>
>How about the title "Sweet Page of Truth" for the web site?
>
>
>Question One
> Did MJ create the title "The Beat(en) Generation"? I was looking
>through a buddy's CD collection the other day and found a compelation of
>Brit-pop music called... you guessed it ... The Beat(en) Generation.
>Within the sleeve, there was no mention of MJ or the The. Does this mean
>that someone ripped off Matt, or was MJ just borrowing the phrase?
>
>Question Two (stated in hopes of starting a discussion)
> What do you think makes a good songwriter? Matt is damn good,
>but is there anyone else that people tend to enjoy, based on songwriting
>ability? (yes I'm looking for some new music)
> My two bits go to the Levellers. They write songs that are
>politically and socially motivated. I have always been a
>critic of modern society and organized religion (probably why I like "The
>Violence of Truth" and "Good Morning Beautiful" so much). The Levellers
>seem to share the same feelings and emotions on the subject as I do. I
>could discuss this further but I fear I would be rambling.
>
>
> Cheers
> S.B. :)
>
>By the way, I got my copy of Volume 6 through CD Now. As much as I hate
>CD Now, they were actually able to come through with that order (and a
>HUGE shipping and handling bill).
>
>_________________________________________________________________________
>"Rabbit's clever" said Pooh thoughtfully
>"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit's clever."
>"And he has Brain."
>"Yes," said Piglet "Rabbit has brain."
>There was a long silence
>"I suppose," said Pooh "that's why he never understands anything."
>
> -- A.A. Milne
>_________________________________________________________________________
>
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"


-- Richard Baer --

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