march 97
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From: Blaine Toney
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: You'll see...
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 03:11:18 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
I asked someone else this question once:
Have you ever been driving down a busy city street at around
dusk, and just stopped the car, got out and looked around?
I have. reason? Hard to explain, really. It was a feeling,
sort of electric to be honest. Like something was happening somewhere,
and I was a major player in it. Something dark, but altogether good,
or maybe not.
I idolize noone, but The The/Matt Johnson strikes me as an
entity that can fuel a person with the electricity that happens when
one opens the door, gets out, and takes the energy straight from the
air and channels it into oneself.
I dont knwo much more than what i feel, and obviously very
little on how to type either.
I sometimes think that I would like to meet MJ, but then, I
met Christopher Walken once, and expecting him to be as cool as he
seems, was an asshole of the first order. A friend of mine had the
chance to see The The open up for Depeche Mode in Toronto a couple
years back, and much to my dismay, got backstage. (shes very, VERY
pretty. I mean, borderline drop-dead fucking gorgeous) (Actually,
scratch that "borderline" nonsense...)
Anyways, she was allowed backstage where she met the man,
talked with him a bit, and told me that she only kissed him. But
really, would any self respecting woman tell anyone aloud whether she
fucked a rock star? doubtful.
So, I suppose my point is, why?
Or even how?
I know a million people who've seen the things that MJ has
written about, and seem more deserved of where he is then he himself.
I really wish I hadnt lost sight of what I was saying.
You probably do too.
I swear all this that I have said (except the first part about
the car...) to be true.
by the way, could you please unsubscribe me, or just stop
sending me all the stuff everyone else has written, and just send me
the info that I need to survive?
Blaine
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From: hayward3@ix.netcom.com (blue)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: PLEASE help this damsel in distress
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 21:19:08 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199703020319.VAA05297@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Hi,
I'm new to this list and kinda new to The The. I'm making an inquiry
in hopes that someone who reads this list will *delurk* and help me by
answering my question.
(I'll try & be brief) Here goes... A couple of weeks ago I flipped on
the MTV during one of those sample hours of M2 and saw this video
called "Kingdom of Rain" by (none other than) The The. Well,
(needless to say) I LOVED this video & the song was great, too. I've
never seen a video that fit so perfectly to a song, it was just the
most brilliant, *moody* video ever IMHO. It just blew me away, I was
absolutely seduced by it.
Well, enough of my *fawning*. My question is: (drumroll please) Does
anyone here HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE I CAN GET A COPY OF THIS VIDEO? (I
only saw it once) Or does anyone have it and would be willing to make
me a copy? :) I'd PAY FOR EVERYTHING, i.e. blank tape/shipping &
handling/postage/and your time (whatever's needed). BTW does anyone
know who directed it?
( As you can probably tell I'm a bit passionate and a little
distressed about this at the moment).
Let me reiterate... PLEASE ANY INFO WHERE I CAN LOCATE THIS VIDEO?
I've been looking everywhere I can think of.
E-mail me privately (I don't want to bother anyone too much with my
petty problems). Thanks for listening at least. :)
Anxiously waiting (for some response).
Thanks again,
Blue P.S. I live in America.
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From: "Ted Hein"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Ideal banter
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 97 09:37:44 EST
Message-Id: <9702038574.AA857412147@ccmail.timberland.com>
So what is MJ gonna say about this cloning thing?
Probably too late for Gun Sluts lyrical content (It's just gotta be in
the can by now, doesn't it?)... it'll probably come up in interviews
though.
Personally, I haven't had time to put my mind around the problem.
Maybe if I cloned myself, one of me would have the time to ponder the
issues...
Anyone hear any good Xerox'ed-sheep jokes?
Ted
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From: "Meyer, Erik Steven"
To:
Subject: random crap
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:31:03 CST
Message-Id: <10MAR97.09199041.0068.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
I always wonder why people keep unsubscribing to this list, do they
just stop being fans? I love this shit, this is usually the most
derranged e-mail I receive, and I like that.
I received the The picture disc (record) for a gift not too long
ago, and it has a song titled "cold spell ahead", I beleive. The
interesting thing is that the first half of the song contains the
first few verses are actually the first few verses of "uncertain
smile". Do I have reason to be confused? I might have the song title
confused, but either way, that is what I heard.
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From: Nate
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Question?
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 18:16 EST
Message-Id:
Does anyone know if the the The song titled "Lip Tripping" found on
the Volume compialation CD ever evolved into a full length song? I
love the music to the track and was interested as to what kind of
lyrics might go with it.
See ya all later
Nate
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From: hayward3@ix.netcom.com (blue)
To: Nate
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Question?
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:30:45 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199703110530.XAA29877@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the the The song titled "Lip Tripping" found on
> the Volume compialation CD ever evolved into a full length song?
> I love the music to the track and was interested as to what kind
> of lyrics might go with it.
>
> See ya all later
> Nate
>
>
hi,
Volume compilation CD? is that the title of it? what are you talking
about? can you give me any more details?
it sounds interesting
thanks,
blue
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From: hayward3@ix.netcom.com (blue)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: i'm tripping over all this info guys!!!!
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:48:41 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199703112148.PAA05172@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
i just wanted to thank everybody so much for the lip tripping info!!!
you guys really came through for me.
ESPECIALLY BRIAN!! you are amazing!! of course that helped! you gave
me every detail(i love details)i could possibly need about the
CD. right down to the fish! that's astounding! you went far beyond the
call of duty. *thanks so much*
thanks again everybody!
well anyway...
blue
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From: Joonas Virtasalo
Sender: Joonas Virtasalo
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:34:30 +0200 (EET)
Message-ID:
Infected Mind's TheThe Page has been removed.
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From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:21:14 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
almighty BEHFAR, am a bit lost here. how do i view your current
posts(as in march)? besides you seem to be very much in control-is
infected your brilliant brainchild?
(mel, didn't mean to scare you off.)
s v.
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From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:57:39 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
"im all alone in the middle of a crowd
i open my mouth and scream a silent shout"
has anyone identified and expressed the truth more beautifully?
i doubt it.
sir vive
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From: Irene Kao
To: Infected Mailing List
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:34:34 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
I think that instead of trying to figure out Hanky Panky, we should just
appreciate as a musical tribute to another great musical genius. You can
like the music or hate it - either way, let it be.
Anyways, there is no question (or shouldn't be) that Matt Johnson
is a truly great artist. I don't agree with comparing him with other
artists or comparing them with him because people have different talents
and definitely different tastes - it's not like there's a universal truth
to what's good and what's not. I think it's safe to say that we all
appreciate the The since we're on the list and that we should stick to
talking about their music. I mean, it's great to notify everyone about
good bands, but there really isn't any need to insult the bands that are
out there. (I must admit that I'm being a little defensive since someone
blatantly insulted Michael Stipe, who I happen to admire a lot for his
musical genius also). Sorry to send such a long message over mass
e-mail, but at least it's not pointless (I hope :) ).
Anxiously awaiting the coming of the next the The album,
Irene
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From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:54:33 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
re: david HIRSCH
march 21 i wrote: "if all the praise from the
previous posts (forgive me, i just got subbed) is true, respect to you
david!"
march 22 you wrote: "you are actually trying to say roger waters isn't in
matt johnsons league?
matt johnson is an amazing talent, but he'd be making very different music
today if roger waters and pink floyd hadn't opened the fucking door for
him."
- ------i take it back, fool!
the almighty sir vive
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From: winky@mail.law.vill.edu (Winky Harrelson)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu (Infected Mailing List)
Subject: survey results
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:47:28 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <199703171347.IAA00259@flash.law.vill.edu>
Sorry to bother everyone but I lost the URL to the survey results.
Could someone please resend that to me? Thanks.
Winky
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From: hayward3@ix.netcom.com (blue)
To: winky@www.law.vill.edu (Winky Harrelson)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: survey results
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:09:16 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199703172009.OAA16033@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>Sorry to bother everyone but I lost the URL to the survey results.
>Could someone please resend that to me? Thanks.
>
>Winky
>
>
what survey?
bye,
blue
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From: "Peter"
To:
Subject: second hand stores
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 18:52:21 +1100
Message-Id: <08514928107182@onaustralia.com.au>
To the stuttering crew
Of late I've been checking out the second hand music stores. I've
discovered in every single one of them a the The album, vinyl, cd or
cassette. It seems that a lot of people aren't all that attached to
the ole mj. Not only in second hand stores do I encounter cheap the
The, but also in stores that sell new music. mj's top price falls on
the head of Dusk and Hanky Panky, while a bargain hunters price falls
on the neck of all the others. Half the price of Dusk... Old
obviously does not mean better in this case for a large number of
persons out there in grown up land. I hazard to hope that I will ever
come across an original release of the pornography of despair in these
stores that I now frequent. Mind you I haven't bought much; just a
copy of Sam Phillip's cd, Omnipop and the Casino soundtrack.
On my knees, hands clasped in front I think thoughts of Him, and hear His
music in my head, sympathising with my soul.
To the stuttering crew I send this.
Bambang
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From: david stephen anderson
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Judge Dread
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:52:59 -0600 (CST)
Message-ID:
Has anyone heard the The The song on the Judge Dread sound track? I
haven't bought it because the rest of the album looks like junk, and
I've been hoping that it would be put out on some sort of single.
Well if anyone has heard it I'm currious how good it is.
Dave
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From: Charlotte Kehne
To: david stephen anderson
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Judge Dread
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:17:50 -0500
Message-ID: <332ECE3E.35F5@ix.netcom.com>
david stephen anderson wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard the The The song on the Judge Dread sound track? I
> haven't bought it because the rest of the album looks like junk,
> and I've been hoping that it would be put out on some sort of
> single. Well if anyone has heard it I'm currious how good it is.
>
> Dave
The the The song on the Judge Dredd soundtrack is pretty good. If you
really like the The then buy it. The Cure song on it is pretty good
too.
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From: "Bloeser, Mike"
To: "'david stephen anderson'"
Cc: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: RE: Judge Dread
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:56:17 -0600
Message-ID:
I believe the name of the track is Darkness Falls, I like the song,
but it's too short to make buying the CD worthwhile (you're correct,
the rest kind of sucks).
> ----------
> From: david stephen anderson[SMTP:dsandrsn@students.uiuc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 9:52 AM
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Judge Dread
>
> Has anyone heard the The The song on the Judge Dread sound track? I
> haven't bought it because the rest of the album looks like junk, and
> I've been hoping that it would be put out on some sort of single.
> Well if anyone has heard it I'm currious how good it is.
>
> Dave
>
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from mbrandi@student.gu.edu.au
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:20:22 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199703192220.QAA17768@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:12:19 +1000
From: mbrandi@student.gu.edu.au
Subject: 1
friends,
and i thought im the only witness of the genius of mr johnson. it
almost blew me away to find the amount of work and humble praise
dedicated to His Mattness. how long ive been ignorant-but finally
united with my family! ive only had the chance to briefly review your
archives-your speculations about the upcoming mindbomb were of major
interest, but also a guy called "dave"??-dubbed most dedicated fan if
im not mistaken? very provocative indeed. well i dont wanna challenge
this in my virginpost.
someone mentioned matt's interest in portishead and the connection to
the latest recording session, if that's the case, i believe he's once
again traveling into the right direction. as matt proves to be the
only white dude in my collection you probably can imagine my
perplexity of stumbling over hankypanky. not that i minded, it's just
unusual to see matt playing in a different league. to let you all
know, first there's matt, then void, and then all those talented
artists like john coltrane, miles davis, chuck d,etc to give you a
brief summary of my background. regarding the new album i seriously
hope matt will return to his roots, especially his early use of
sampling and sequencing. as tricky is definitely the best thing coming
out of the uk for a long while, id like to see matt abandon his
linedancing-bootstepping episode and return to where he comes from-the
streets! i dont know the mr johnson but intuitively i feel he agrees
with me.
maybe i should leave it here, anticipating to be welcomed in your
family, even though my last statement might be cause to some dispute,
but if pluralism aint incouraged among you, a free society will
forever remain utopia.
ALOHA
sir vive.
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: forwarded message from mbrandi@student.gu.edu.au
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 19:28:24 -0500
Message-ID: <19970320002809.AAA27572@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
The overwhelming artistic creations provided by Mr. Hank Williams
Sr. has influenced many songwriters for decades. And for Matt Johnson
to cover Hank's songs on an entire cd is a well deserved tribute to
the legendary artist. It also presents us with a feeling that Matt is
not afraid to dedicate his time, and effort toward such unexpected
project. I can think of no other artist (progressive/alternative if
you will) that has the 'balls' to attempt such an effort. Matt's work
on Hanky Panky was excellent in my opinion and I would hope the
Williams' family feels the same way, and not that it was some attempt
at a "linedancing-bootstepping episode" .
Vonn "Devo"
"None so blind as those who refuse to see." ...Col. Harvey
"How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?" ...Matt Johnson
"Give her some good!" ...Andy Griffith
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 5:20 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from mbrandi@student.gu.edu.au
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:12:19 +1000
From: mbrandi@student.gu.edu.au
Subject: 1
friends,
and i thought im the only witness of the genius of mr johnson. it
almost blew me away to find the amount of work and humble praise
dedicated to His Mattness. how long ive been ignorant-but finally
united with my family! ive only had the chance to briefly review your
archives-your speculations about the upcoming mindbomb were of major
interest, but also a guy called "dave"??-dubbed most dedicated fan if
im not mistaken? very provocative indeed. well i dont wanna challenge
this in my virginpost.
someone mentioned matt's interest in portishead and the connection to
the latest recording session, if that's the case, i believe he's once
again traveling into the right direction. as matt proves to be the
only white dude in my collection you probably can imagine my
perplexity of stumbling over hankypanky. not that i minded, it's just
unusual to see matt playing in a different league. to let you all
know, first there's matt, then void, and then all those talented
artists like john coltrane, miles davis, chuck d,etc to give you a
brief summary of my background. regarding the new album i seriously
hope matt will return to his roots, especially his early use of
sampling and sequencing. as tricky is definitely the best thing coming
out of the uk for a long while, id like to see matt abandon his
linedancing-bootstepping episode and return to where he comes from-the
streets! i dont know the mr johnson but intuitively i feel he agrees
with me.
maybe i should leave it here, anticipating to be welcomed in your
family, even though my last statement might be cause to some dispute,
but if pluralism aint incouraged among you, a free society will
forever remain utopia.
ALOHA
sir vive.
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From: "Kennedy, Sean"
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: MARRS 2?
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:17:23 +1200
Message-Id: <97Mar20.122005nzst.52482@netgate.airways.co.nz>
Remember "Pump up the volume" and the legal wranglings of ownership
over the sampled bits?
Well White Town has released "Your woman" here in New Zealand, and I'm
sure there are bits, such as just after the first verse, which are
very Soul Mining-ish / Dolphins sounding sampled excerpts.
I haven't seen the credits, but the artist has been touted as one who
likes to sample - and I would doubt that any credit would be given to
MJ or JM.
Anyone else think this or can confirm it?
STN
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From: Travis Emmitt
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: MARRS 2?
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:07:03 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970320080703.0097d2a0@anlys3.arl.bna.boeing.com>
>Well White Town has released "Your woman" here in New Zealand, and
>I'm sure there are bits, such as just after the first verse, which
>are very Soul Mining-ish / Dolphins sounding sampled excerpts.
I have the album but didn't really notice whether there are samples or
not. Maybe the dude was using electronic equipment similar to Matt
Johnson's? I don't know.
White Town never struck me as being The The influenced either, until
you mentioned it. Maybe I am just unobservant! :)
Trav
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From: "Melissa Cannon"
To: "Infected Mailing List"
Subject: BYE
Date: 19 Mar 1997 17:10:24 -0800
Message-Id:
Not that I'm a big contributor to this list or anything, but I thought
I would give my regards to all of you as I am going off-line soon.
Don't worry, I will be sure to direct my UNSUBSCRIBE message to the
proper channels. I for one, saved my message from the almighty Behfar.
Mel
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: new boy in class
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:06:14 +0000
Message-ID: <33312835.5459@virgin.net>
hello
i've only recently subscribed to this list so i'll give you my view on
matt and his work
i first heard the The many years ago and since then i've loved the
music without any doubt as to the mans talent. But i do get fed up
when people make comparisons all the time ...like this records not as
good as this one ...etc... Matt Johnson is one of the musicians who
actually puts feeling into his work and i believe that each record is
as valid as the last. but i was dissapointed to read in one of these
messages that Matt was working with Portishead(is this
true?)....Portishead are old hat....And as for Tricky....come on There
is much better electronic music out there.....Black
Dog,P.W.O.G.,Autechre,Mego,Sahko,Mouse on Mars.....to name but a very
few I think Matt has more in common with these artists than Portishead
or Tricky
I would love for the The to do a very electronic record but if it
ended up being a triphop record then i'd rather die Matt,I'll settle
for an acoustic record
Hank Williams wrote some beautiful songs and it's only right that Matt
should have recorded his own versions....because he wanted to.
I'd find it difficult to pinpoint my favourite the The record,but
Burning Blue Soul and Soul Mining are probably the 2 i listen to most
anyway sorry for rambling on ,but maybe we can get some more focused
discussions on the go
cheers dave..
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From: Nicholas_S._Shew@olicom.dk
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: new boy in class
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 14:55:35 CET
Message-Id: <9702208588.AA858898918@smtplink.olicom.dk>
Hi,
I am just waiting to see what comes out next... long time no
see and most definitely the best gigs I've ever been to.
Tricky... i agree, saw them supporting PJ Harvey - I'm glad there
was a bar !
Nick
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: new boy in class
Author: dave.being@virgin.net at Unixmail
Date: 20/03/97 14:53
hello
i've only recently subscribed to this list so i'll give you my view on
matt and his work
i first heard the The many years ago and since then i've loved the
music without any doubt as to the mans talent. But i do get fed up
when people make comparisons all the time ...like this records not as
good as this one ...etc... Matt Johnson is one of the musicians who
actually puts feeling into his work and i believe that each record is
as valid as the last. but i was dissapointed to read in one of these
messages that Matt was working with Portishead(is this
true?)....Portishead are old hat....And as for Tricky....come on There
is much better electronic music out there.....Black
Dog,P.W.O.G.,Autechre,Mego,Sahko,Mouse on Mars.....to name but a very
few I think Matt has more in common with these artists than Portishead
or Tricky
I would love for the The to do a very electronic record but if it
ended up being a triphop record then i'd rather die Matt,I'll settle
for an acoustic record
Hank Williams wrote some beautiful songs and it's only right that Matt
should have recorded his own versions....because he wanted to.
I'd find it difficult to pinpoint my favourite the The record,but
Burning Blue Soul and Soul Mining are probably the 2 i listen to most
anyway sorry for rambling on ,but maybe we can get some more focused
discussions on the go
cheers dave..
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From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: dave being
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:13:39 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
"Matt Johnson is one of the musicians who actually puts feeling into
his work"-are you serious? You're not the dave dubbed most devoted
fan,are ya? do we discuss basic laws of nature now? what a statement!
especially since you're asking for a more focused chat! maybe im
completly wrong, i just joined you guys 2 days ago, but is this
mail-list some sort of trivial pursuit?
to your points referring tricky/portishead/triphop: i respect your
opposition, sadly i dont know any of the bands your listing, but i
mention tricky more of lyrical/introspective reasons than make any
reference to "electronic music". i knew this wouldn't be welcomed by
the "average" the the disciple, but yeah!
one thing at last: i believe hankypanky has been misunderstood in many
ways. as i see it hp was most a way of avoiding being sucked into the
ugly mainstream beast. during the release of dusk i read some shocking
reviews levelling it down to U2 and REM. imagine! michael stipe and
bono might be nice blokes, but you don't start mentioning milli
vanilli in the same breath as mozart.
hope i didn't give you too much flak, dave, but some things you (and
that barfly nick) said don't make much sense. but i now you've given
your best. sir vive
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: wake up!
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:40:33 +0000
Message-ID: <33325790.2F76@virgin.net>
MORITZ BRANDI wrote:
"Matt Johnson is one of the musicians who actually puts feeling into
his
work"-are you serious?
And Dave replies:
I'm very serious on the subject of the The....Do you run this show vive?
You're not the dave dubbed most devoted fan,are ya?
Did you read my first message around two days ago?
do we discuss basic laws of nature now?
Why not....Matt has been doing so in his music for many years now,...and
if you can't see that....
especially since you're asking for a more focused chat!
Hey i'm quite happy to argue as well.....
maybe im completly wrong, i just joined you guys 2 days ago, but is this
mail-list some sort of trivial pursuit?
Isn't everything?
to your points referring tricky/portishead/triphop: i respect your
opposition, sadly i dont know any of the bands your listing,
You should check them out...I don't mean to be deliberately obscure ,but
then (are you in the U.S.?)in Scotland
,none of these artists that i mentioned are all that obscure....you
don't see them on tv
but i
mention tricky more of lyrical/introspective reasons than make any
reference to "electronic music". i knew this wouldn't be welcomed by
the
"average" the the disciple, but yeah!
Steady on there....This is the kind of opinion that is obviously going
to piss me off.I hardly think there is really any such thing as an
average the The disciple.Of all the people i know who like the The( and
there are many),they are all into vastly different forms of music,but
for some reason they all seem to love the The.
one thing at last: i believe hankypanky has been misunderstood in many
ways. as i see it hp was most a way of avoiding being sucked into the
ugly mainstream beast.
Like it or not(not ,in my case)the The in the past few years have sort
of became part of the mainstream(maybe you forget that the The are
signed to EPIC,hardly an independent label)....and the marketing folks
are going to want to sell as many records as possible and if this means
MTV etc....But if you look past all the bullshit ,the The are still
there....
during the release of dusk i read some shocking
reviews levelling it down to U2 and REM. imagine! michael stipe and
bono
might be nice blokes,(steady.....) but you don't start mentioning milli
vanilli in the
same breath as mozart
.why the hell not ....milli vanilli vs mozart( sounds like an
interesting soundclash)
hope i didn't give you too much flak, dave,(not at all) but some things
you (and that
barfly nick)come on nick ,give it you're best, said don't make much
sense.
why must everything make sense...I don't set out purely to make sense
...I hope for discussion,I'm not saying that everything I say is the
truth,just the way I feel....
but i now you've given your best.hardly
sir vive
cheers
dave
------------------------------
From: Nate
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Two cents
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 20:55 EST
Message-Id:
I agree with some of your points Mr. Vive (should I call you that?),
but not all of them. I hardly believe that the talent gap between
Stipe and MJ is as large as that between Milli Vanilli and Mozart.
While it is true that most of the time I would rather pop in a
brilliantly crafted the The disc, I could not argue that bands like
REM and U2 have not put out any good stuff. However, I do agree with
you that MJ sould not be compared to people like Tricky and especially
portishead (it amazes me that you have never heard of these music
makers). The The is in a league all by itself.
I am 100% with your statement Dave about Tricky not being the best
electronic music has to offer. Being a dedicated raver for about five
years now has exposed me to all kinds of house, jungle, techno, trance
ect. that would put old Tricky into tears. But in all my time dancing
to the smooth vibes of some groovy tribal, I still have never heard
any stuff that gives me feelings like the music of Matt. I would be
very delighted to see Matt do some Electronic stuff (Is Burning Blue
Soul and Soul Mining really that far away?). It takes one hell of an
artist to get me to like anything that sounds counry, and I loved HP.
I think that Matt could do just about anything and make it sound great
as long as he put his heart into it and we all know that he always
gives every album all he has got.
I know I'm rambling an about nothing, but I wanted to experess some of
my feelings.
Nate
PS--I know this is off the subject SORRY, but have any of you Nick
Cave fans out there heard the new album? Is it good, I know it got
great reviews? Send mail to me personally so as to not clog up the
the The Mail line. Thanks
------------------------------
From: hblanck@uottawa.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the The vinyl rarities for sale
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:26:40 -0500
Message-Id: <9703210226.AA55736@cliff.uottawa.ca>
..hello all matt johnson fans..among the many rarities and limited editions
on the The that i own, i offer the following for sale:1) the 'infected'
limited edition torture sleeve lp + color andy dog poster / uk issue / #epc
26770 / '86 / $25 u.s. + post / 2) the 'soul mining' lp & limited edition
12" bonus of 'perfect' (new version) / removable stickers on front of sleeve
/ original inner sleeves with printed lyrics / uk issue / some bizarre #epc
25525 / '83 / $30 u.s. + post /..these lp's were lovingly cared for through
the years and are in pristine mint condition..take both these items, & i'll
do the deal for $50 u.s. AND pay the postage anywhere in the usa or
canada..plus i'll toss in at no extra charge a mint copy of a pic sleeve 7"
of 'infected/disturbed' ('86-canada)..this 7" is also available separately
at only $6 u.s., or 2 for $10!../finally, i have a copy of the
double-'A'-sided 12" pic sleeve single of 'perfect(9:00 mix)/uncertain
smile(10:00 mix)'/ canada / epic #12exp-8552 / '83 / mint condition / $20
u.s. + post (+ free infected 7" pic sleeve )..kindly e-mail me for further
info if interested thanks cheers big al
------------------------------
From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the cave
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 14:09:42 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
Nate Dogg, i do have heard of tricky/portishead. i was actually refering
to dave's obscure bandlist, but never mind.
re: nick cave album: has been released here (down under) bout a week or two
ago. have heard a few songs eg into my arms and others cant recall any
titles. all sound pretty dull, but then again im not the one to chat bout the
cave nick. any discuss on tricky is very welcome though.
and you may call me mr vive, but sir will do just fine.
------------------------------
From: Nate
To: MORITZ BRANDI , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: the cave
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 14:22 EST
Message-Id:
Sir Vive
Sorry I misunderstood your writings.
I really thought you must have been living in a hole to have not heard
of those bands. However, speaking of obscurity, a band is only
obscure if you've never heard of them. For example, I live in Indiana
where the most exciting thing that happens in the yearly Indianapolis
500 (I hate that race). The The would be considered a very
underground band here. I've only met about six people that have even
heard of the MJ. Some bands that are big other places are raraties
here. Most people have never heard of Pulp and you would be hard
pressed to call them an underground band. In fact it woud be flat out
ridiculous.
You asked for some opinion on Tricky well, I think on his newest album
PMT he has once again demonstrated his continual move away from the
underground scene he helped establish and driffted closer yet to the
mainstream. I personally like the album, but would rather listen to
some of his older stuff or some of the newcomers like DJ Shadow. My
favorite electronic group, however, is The Orb, who is in no way not
an underground act anymore. I know they are a bit ambient, but I love
them anyway. But like I said before, no music speaks to me quite as
much as that of MJ. Roger and Syd are a close second, but The The
takes the cake.
Thanks for listning to my pointless opinion once again
Thanks for the info on the Bad Seeds eveyone.
Later everyone
Nate
At 02:05 PM 3/21/97 +1000, you wrote:
>Nate Dogg, i do have heard of tricky/portishead. i was actually refering
>to dave's obscure bandlist, but never mind.
>re: nick cave album: has been released here (down under) bout a week ago.
>have heard a few songs eg into my arms and others cant recall any titles.
>all sound pretty dull, but then again im not the one to chat bout the
>cave nick. any discuss on tricky is very welcome though.
>and you may call me mr vive, but sir will do just fine.
>
>
------------------------------
From: Bill Jost
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: truth?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:13:03 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970321101303.007fc420@email.psu.edu>
At 04:57 PM 3/21/97 +1000, you wrote:
>
>"im all alone in the middle of a crowd
> i open my mouth and scream a silent shout"
>
>
>has anyone identified and expressed the truth more beautifully?
>i doubt it.
>
>sir vive
That may be a truth for you...but I certainly don't identify with those
lyrics.
Bill (wajost@ingsoc.com)
- --And out in the valley warm and clean
The little ones sit by their TV screens
No thoughts to think
No tears to cry - Roger Waters ATD
------------------------------
From: Cara Stephens
To: Bill Jost
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: truth?
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:20:01 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
this is to anyone who hasn't heard "amused to death" by roger waters.
besides matt johnson, this is the guy that makes me feel if i only had
one sense left, it would be sound. (next comes taste)
Cara Stephens cestephe@edisto.cofc.edu
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Bill Jost wrote:
> At 04:57 PM 3/21/97 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> >"im all alone in the middle of a crowd
> > i open my mouth and scream a silent shout"
> >
> >
> >has anyone identified and expressed the truth more beautifully?
> >i doubt it.
> >
> >sir vive
>
> That may be a truth for you...but I certainly don't identify with those
> lyrics.
>
>
> Bill (wajost@ingsoc.com)
>
> --And out in the valley warm and clean
> The little ones sit by their TV screens
> No thoughts to think
> No tears to cry - Roger Waters ATD
>
------------------------------
From: gdavis@nsi.edu (Glen A. Davis)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: another newcomer
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:50:36 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <199703212050.MAA23563@amethea.nsi.edu>
Hey all. I just joined this list and wanted to drop a quick note.
I've been a fan of the The since Soul Mining first came out. My
roomies and I used to crank up Uncertain Smile. We'd also debate
whether the piano or sax solo version was the better of the 2. Also
found it hard to believe that Matt J. was (and still is I might add)
almost exactly the same age as me... wish I had that kind of talent at
19! Anyway, been listening to MJ pretty much ever since.
I have to admit a certain passion for collecting live recordings of my
favorite bands (isn't that a nice way of putting it?); especially cd
recordings. So I was wondering, has anyone compiled a list of live
the The concert cds that have been put out? I've only seen 3 or 4 and
only know of 1 that's still available.
I would appreciate any info on the subject that anyone might have.
I've surfed around several theThe sites and have never seen such a
list. Feel free to email me directly if this is a touchy subject to
discuss within the newsgroup.
cheers,
Glen Davis
NSI
San Diego, CA
------------------------------
From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: wake up & truth? & orb
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:34:31 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
"your melancholy cries have been heard and are being answered all across
the universe"
dave being wrote: "I'm very serious on the subject of the The"
good!
dave also wrote:"Did you read my first message around two days ago?"
no, guess i didn't
dave goes on: "do we discuss basic laws of nature now?
Why not....Matt has been doing so in his music for many years now,...and
if you can't see that...."
alright already
dave: "You should check them out...I don't mean to be deliberately obscure
,but then (are you in the U.S.?)in Scotland"
true, but im deep down in oz
dave: "Steady on there....This is the kind of opinion that is obviously going
to piss me off.I hardly think there is really any such thing as an
average the The disciple."
sorry, and yeah, i guess it's my fault again
more dave: "Like it or not(not ,in my case)the The in the past few years
have sort of became part of the mainstream(maybe you forget that the The are
signed to EPIC,hardly an independent label)....and the marketing folks"
maybe you're right, but i surely hope not
dave: "why must everything make sense...I don't set out purely to make sense
...I hope for discussion,I'm not saying that everything I say is the
truth,just the way I feel...."
i couldn't agree more
Bill Jost wrote: "That may be a truth for you...but I certainly don't
identify with those lyrics."
fair enough
Nate wrote: "I think on his newest album PMT he has once again
demonstrated his continual move away from the underground
scene he helped establish and driffted closer yet to the mainstream."
haven't even heard PMT yet, but OVERCOME, HELL IS ROUND THE CORNER and
SUFFOCATED LOVE are damn fine songs and it's about time somebody's gonna
acknowledge it
Nate says: "My favorite electronic group, however, is The Orb"
really? i know i shouldn't have started this, but tricky aint dance,
trance or whatever but actually i'd like to drop this topic now
"there's a silence in my head
my tongue is tied and my mind's eye blinded
is there nothing left to say?"
peace,
s v.
------------------------------
From: Blaine Toney
To: infect
Subject: Fighting
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 05:26:58 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
I hate to make a cheesy comparison, but are all the planets little
wars joining hands here on this newsbulletin?
Stop arguing for Gods sake and just sit back, smoke a cigarette
and LISTEN.
------------------------------
From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: btis n bobs
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:25:26 +0000
Message-ID: <3333C1A6.5200@virgin.net>
helllo all,
am i to believe we can't write long messages?it's not as if the machines
can't handle it
anyway,some things just can't be discussed in soundbites and the The is
one of them
So anyway,I have to ask about this Roger Waters thing....You're surely
not suggesting that he's in the same league as Matt....? See ,Matt
explains(or tries to)through his music ,but from what I've heard in the
past,ole Rog just moans......I've no problems with Syd Barret
though(except obviously that he doesnt make records anymore)......
thanks Moritz for your words ,but I think various aspects of those
discussions could have gone further ,but if you think 'nuff said
then....cool.
Michael Stipe ,musical genius....see I'm afraid I've got a wee problem
with people who act so miserable while riding around in limousines....
Anyway,does anyone know anything about when we're likely to see a new
record from
the THE? The press over here have long ago ceased to take any interest
in Matt,they're way too busy with Britshite,and the bloody spice
girls,aaaarrrgghhhhh
I hope this doesn't stray too far ,but then the common interest between
us is obviously the The but this shouldnt stop us talking about other
subjects....
cheers
dave
p.s.hey Nate nice to see you like the orb,new ones crap though,and OY
whats wrong with ambient music.......
------------------------------
From: Bill Jost
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: btis n bobs
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:40:29 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970322114029.00802bb0@email.psu.edu>
At 11:25 AM 3/22/97 +0000, you wrote:
>So anyway,I have to ask about this Roger Waters thing....You're surely
>not suggesting that he's in the same league as Matt....? See ,Matt
>explains(or tries to)through his music ,but from what I've heard in the
>past,ole Rog just moans......I've no problems with Syd Barret
>though(except obviously that he doesnt make records anymore)......
Imo, Waters isn't in Matt's league...he's well beyond it :) Whining,
moaning, etc... What do you think Matt does (if taken in that context).
The difference is that Waters discusses society while MJ generally
discusses more personal issues. It's rather hypocritical to find one
aspect moaning while the other is enlightening. As for Syd....he wrote
good music, but it was far from insightful.
>I hope this doesn't stray too far ,but then the common interest between
>us is obviously the The but this shouldnt stop us talking about other
>subjects....
True...and there does seem to be a Waters contingent on this list too :)
Bill (wajost@ingsoc.com)
- --In America, and increasingly in Europe, technology is
a one-eyed king ruling unopposed amidst idiot cheering.
-- Neil Postman
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: more bullshit
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:03:55 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
you are actually trying to say roger waters isn't in matt johnsons league?
matt johnson is an amazing talent, but he'd be making very different music
today if roger waters and pink floyd hadn't opened the fucking door for
him.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
"My cold, cold heart is melted now. I seek for peace but don't know how.
I go to bed but only weep. My cold, cold heart won't let me sleep."
-- hank williams.
------------------------------
From: shill@harper.cc.il.us (Steve Hill)
To: dbh@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (David B. Hirsch)
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu.bounce
Subject: Re: more bullshit
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:32:43 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <9703222332.AA19682@info1.harper.cc.il.us>
> you are actually trying to say roger waters isn't in matt johnsons league?
> matt johnson is an amazing talent, but he'd be making very different music
> today if roger waters and pink floyd hadn't opened the fucking door for
> him.
Obviously it's a matter of preference and opinion.
Personally, as much as I love Matt, I like Waters more.
- -shill
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From: Nate
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hey Everyone
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 97 19:17 EST
Message-Id:
It seem as if the mailing group has turned into a free for all. I
find much of the argument very interesting, but we all nee to ramain
civil. Eveyone here love the The and that is why we are on the list.
We should feel free to express any opinion we have about any other
subject that might intrest other people on the list. However, we all
must remember that everyone will have different opinions and we need
to respect those opinions and not start huling insults. Eveyone wants
intllegent and stimulating discusion so let us keep it at that. All
praise MJ.
I'm with you Cara. Waters and MJ are two of the very few musitions
who really speak to me. Albiet, they both do it in different ways,
but both have some thing special to offer. If anyone doesn't like
Waters or Floyd that is OK. Last year I wan even allowed to play any
of my Floyd cds while my roommate was home because he hated the band
so much. To each his own.
Dave, there is nothing wrong with ambient music. I just threw that
statement in there because I brought up the group while talking of
Tricky (which I also like) who, as we all know, is not known for a
high chill factor. I love to sit back relax and listen to some smooth
tunes. (Dusk is one of my favorite chill cds) Is the Orb's new cd
called Orblivion? Sir Vive, I know the Orb and Tricky play completly
different styles of music, but I was using electronic music as as
umbrella term. Similar to how people use the term Techno to describe
everything from trance to gabber.
Am I wrong or did someone who claimed to know MJ personall write into
the group recently, about 3 weeks ago, and say that the new The The
album would be out sometime this summer for sure? I could be wrong
and was just having wishful thoughts in hopes of the new music. Does
anyone else remember this e-mail?
Thanks for listning and keep up the interesting chat.
Nate
Ps-- I hate to throw yet another name into the discussion, but has
ayone out there heard of a possible new Gavin Friday album? I has
been almost a year and a half.
------------------------------
From: H2obugs@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Mainstream I think not.
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:33:00 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970322193259_-1169731814@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Hello everybody! I'm Catherine. (Didn't want to
be obnoxious in my initial post by not properly
introducing myself.)
Dave says <have sort of became part of the mainstream>>
I started listening to the The seven years ago
or so, and have taken quite a queer pleasure in
having them all to myself. Apologies to Matt if
he's reading this -- I know that word-of-mouth
goes pretty far. Anyway, there was a kind of
scare when Dusk was released; the main
"alternative" radio stations and MTV started
playing them. Hell, I saw some documentary
hosted by Tom Arnold on them (idiot saying,
"The who? The The. The what?" etc.). Just as
quickly as they were getting notice, though, they
weren't. It's still extremely rare to find someone
who's even heard of the The. The sound of Dusk
was more mainstream, but the sound varies among
all the albums. This is the beauty of the The. Ya
never know whut yer gonna get.
I'd hardly call him mainstream.
------------------------------
From: H2obugs@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hank Williams
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:44:23 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970322194423_-737725914@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Could this be old Hirschdave? Hirschdave from
the The's AOL folder? Wow. Long time!
- - Sorry - reunion's over.
Were any of you compelled to buy any of Williams'
work to compare? I bought the 20 Greatest Hits,
and was very impressed. I really do hate country,
and I really do hate Hank Williams, Jr. (repressed
memories from childhood partially at work here),
but I could hear in that collection what must have
inspired Johnson to make Hanky Panky. They
have the common themes of being sad and
lonely (Matt's "solitude").
Dave <"My cold, cold heart is melted now. I seek for peace but don't know
how.
I go to bed but only weep. My cold, cold heart won't let me sleep."
-- hank williams.>
I especially liked "Tear in My Beer."
- -Catherine (nee Stoner)
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (JaY!)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hank Williams
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 20:52:22
Message-Id: <199703240202.VAA00138@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>Could this be old Hirschdave? Hirschdave from
>the The's AOL folder? Wow. Long time!
well, he IS old. That much is true.
>Were any of you compelled to buy any of Williams'
>work to compare?
just get the promo of 'Hanky' with matt's version
and Hank's back to back...
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: Re: Hank Williams
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:45:08 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
yup, thats me.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
"My cold, cold heart is melted now. I seek for peace but don't know how.
I go to bed but only weep. My cold, cold heart won't let me sleep."
-- hank williams.
On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 H2obugs@aol.com wrote:
> Could this be old Hirschdave? Hirschdave from
> the The's AOL folder? Wow. Long time!
>
> - Sorry - reunion's over.
>
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (JaY!)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: older? wiser? NO.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:00:42
Message-Id: <199703240511.AAA03422@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>At least when talking
> about
>Matt Johnson and his music, one could easily say that it wasnt
>inspired by the use of drugs.
uh, the 'infected' album was one big drug-crazed romp, dear.
JaY!
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From: Blaine Toney
To: infect
Subject: The The vs. Roger Waters (?????)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:40:33 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
Lets get one thing straight... The Grateful Dead have nothing
on Pink Floyd when it comes to drug use. Just listen to the PF album
Animals to know what I'm talking about. And do you know who was
probably the biggest user in that band? Mr. Waters himself. At least
when talking about Matt Johnson and his music, one could easily say
that it wasnt inspired by the use of drugs. The effects of Cocaine and
Heroin, poured out on tape it certainly was not.
Now being a musician, I can also say that its improbable that
Matt has never tried drugs, but the fact of the matter is, he doesnt
sound like he needs them to make the music that he does.
Could you say the same for Waters? Where is he today? I'd bet
sitting in a hotel room shooting up.
------------------------------
From: "Ian"
To: "infected"
Subject: Re: The The vs. Roger Waters (?????)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:23:17 -0500
Message-Id: <199703240824.DAA08598@homer.thenet.net>
The final product is the important thing...anything else is pure adolation
;) I first heard about the rampant ectasy use on Infected during my club
years and I haven't respected the album more since. If drug use and
artistic expression is such a big issue, just look at children's literature
and it all becomes crystal clear...it's a regression issue. Just my
opinion.
Yes Captain,
Ian
- ----------
> Pink Flyod was a very psycedelic influenced band. Cocaine was > not in
vougue then and the heroin influence is minimal or
> imaginary, but I would imagine you don't really know the
> Difference. I think youve heard one too many D.A.R.E. lectures, or >
whatever.
>
> L.C.
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Blaine Toney
CC: infect
Subject: Re: The The vs. Roger Waters (?????)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 22:40:59 -0800
Message-ID: <333621FB.18C@sirius.com>
What in the HELL are you basing THIS opinion on?
Sorry , but to speculate as to the state of MJS mind, his drug use, etc.
seems naive and rather pointless, unless you have some inside personal
information you'd like to share.
Pink Flyod was a very psycedelic influenced band. Cocaine was not in
vougue then and the heroin influence is minimal or imaginary, but I
would imagine you don't really know the difference.
I think youve heard one too many D.A.R.E. lectures, or whatever.
L.C.
------------------------------
From: Blaine Toney
To: infect
Subject: bullshit
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:54:37 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
one albums work hardly compares to a whole career based on the use
of drugs.
and by the way, its easy to pick on someone because they are
anti-drug. I have never seen or been to a D.A.R.E meeting, and I was never
the narc in school, all I know is making music while fucked up means you
shouldnt really be able to take the credit for it.
Now, where is Roger again?
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Blaine Toney
CC: infect
Subject: Re: bullshit
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:10:19 -0800
Message-ID: <3336C38B.3901@sirius.com>
> and I was never
> the narc in school, all I know is making music while fucked up means you
> shouldn’t really be able to take the credit for it.
So what, you were not the narc at school, but you are the "art narc?"
What makes you assume what you say above is true? Is this some sort of
"Blaine Toney Rule" we should all know about? "If you create your art
while in any other state of mind but sober, it doesn't count?"
If we went through the discography and , hell for that sake; all the
museums in the world, and applied this rule it would be a VERY bleak
world. You could pretty much toss out rock and roll, and jazz, and
hell, maybe we should all just be good citizens and go work in the
factories and forget this art stuff, eh? Its BOUND to offend SOMEBODY,
and sooner or later some little treason is bound to emerge, so lets just
stick to the straight and narrow, then and not monkey around, eh?
Rock music creators are NOT cultural heroes. You either like the work
or you don't. Whatever they do, or their own beliefs, (which may not
necessarily BE stated in their music), is their own business.
The only thing that COUNTS, is whether you like it or not. You are
then free to project what ever fantasies you like onto their creators.
Doesn't mean they are true, but you are free to do so.
Criticism of art based on the perceived habits, mores, or politics of
the artist is sophomoric, idiosyncratic and useless to anyone but the
critique. Can't we get beyond this?
And I AM sorry to sound so harsh and to come down on you, but when you
make such sweeping statements as if they are true, rather than your own
opinion, it tends to happen on the net. Try saying : "In my opinion,"
and maybe I'll cut you some slack, but that's all it is, and it isn't a
particularly adult one.
Lea
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From: H2obugs@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: bullshit
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:09:49 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970324180818_248137276@emout15.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-24 08:03:19 EST, you write:
<< all I know is making music while fucked up means you
shouldnt really be able to take the credit for it. >>
The use of drugs to aid in losing inhabitions is one thing, and
overindulgence over a lifetime is another. Some artists find
that this helps creativity; this is a truth that you can find from
poets such as Coleridge (Xanadu for one) and his beloved
Laudanum to my brother. . .
I'm not an advocate of drugs, but one must consider what our
society would be lacking were it not for the use of drugs in
this way. Sure, credit should be credit where credit is due.
Artist+Drugs vs. Artist (Notice the artist is there in each
scenario.)
- -Catherine (who's much more creatively productive on no sleep
and lots of caffeine)
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From: "Meyer, Erik Steven"
To:
Subject: So much hostility
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:28:21 CST
Message-Id: <24MAR97.09150458.0199.MUSIC@ACADEMIC.TRUMAN.EDU>
I thought I'd wait a few days before writing any sort of response, I
think everyone needed to get some shit out of their systems. With
regard to drug use, it's everywhere, and it is pretty well documented
that MJ has done his share. I even read somewhere that he fed some
drugs to Johnny in order to get just the right sound for "Good Morning
Beautiful."
Except for the fact that Roger Waters is the main reason for Pink
Floyd's breakup, I respect Roger just as much as Matt in terms of
lyrics. I think that drugs need to just be accepted for what they are
in the music business. I don't respect a user any less, but I do
respect a nonuser that much more. The use of drugs during writing is
not going to change the person, but simply change their perceptions. It
opens up the mind to different sounds. I think that if MJ wasn't ever a
drug user, he might not be around today. His bouts with depression are
why we don't have more music to listen to, and I honestly feel that the
drugs helped him get to where he is today.
As for all the electronic music talk, I would welcome the addition
of more sounds. That is one thing I heard on an interview with Matt,
that all the changes in his music over the years can be compared to
learning more of a language. He just keeps learning more and more ways
to make different sounds, and he never fails to make a good album. Well
I hope I haven't opened up some big can of worms, or lost people's
respect. Please respond to anything you disagree about, I like a good
argument. Later, E
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: roger
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:56:39 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
never mind where roger waters is. where is norman greenbaum?
there is a certain joy in being called a fool...
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From: Bill Jost
To: Blaine Toney
Cc:
Subject: Re: The The vs. Roger Waters (?????)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:52:54 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970324105254.00801d40@email.psu.edu>
At 11:40 PM 3/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
> Lets get one thing straight... The Grateful Dead have nothing on
>Pink Floyd when it comes to drug use. Just listen to the PF album Animals
>to know what I'm talking about. And do you know who was probably the
>biggest user in that band? Mr. Waters himself.
At least know what you are talking about before you speak. Pink Floyd's
drug problems stemmed from Syd Barret and Nick Mason or Richard Wright
(can't remember which one). Waters' vice of choice was always alcohol.
And as for MJ never taking drugs I suggest you read a few of the articles
out on the web where MJ discusses his use of drugs during the making of
infected.
> Could you say the same for Waters? Where is he today? I'd bet
>sitting in a hotel room shooting up.
As for where Waters is today...he's still producing music and should be
releasing an album this spring/summer.
Bill (wajost@ingsoc.com)
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: a nice big can of worms
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:00:09 +0000
Message-ID: <3336B318.6FF1@virgin.net>
well i have to say things are getting a bit more interesting round
here....
just thought I'd throw in my tuppence.......
"'soul mining' was one of the first ecstacy albums.Not a lot of people
know that.Some Bizarre in the early '80s with Soft Cell,Stevo,myself,and
do you remember Cindy Ecstacy?That was how she got her surname,but that
was like ten years ago.
"I don't take drugs any more.You should say that,cos my mum reads
all me stuff.Drugs have played a very important part in the evolution of
the The,but not so much any more.You get to the stage where your body
can't take it.
"At 29,you reach the twilight of your drug career."
An extract from an interview with Matt in the May 1991
issue of Select
I hope this is of some interest,and if anyone wants a full copy of the
interview i'll be happy to type it out.It's pretty good.
My own opinion on drugs in music is that good and bad music is made by
both users and non users.....but then again on checking most of my
favourite music has been made by people on drugs.I write music and I'm
fond of a wee smoke myself to help me along......but anything else and
it becomes quite hard to concentrate,.......especially on lots of
machines with flashing lights.
For some good heroin inspired music check out spacemen 3 and anything by
Kim Deal or Kelley Deal
cheers
dave
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From: Lea Curry
To: dave.being@virgin.net
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: a nice big can of worms
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 10:26:35 -0800
Message-ID: <3336C75B.3744@sirius.com>
> For some good heroin inspired music check out spacemen 3 and anything by
> Kim Deal or Kelley Deal
>
Or even Mr. Lou Reed, ah... Jim Caroll, some of the best stuff, "In my
opinion". I don't use heroin, but I like a lot of heroin music.
Can you even DO rock and roll and not use SOME kind of mind altering
substance? Im not sure if there is any of merit.... (just being a
brat, here)..
Also have to agree with MJ, 29 is about it , if you plan on sticking
around, or you are Keith Richards.
Thanks for the quote!
l.
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From: H2obugs@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: a nice big can of worms
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:16:21 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970324181335_-1604983612@emout04.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-24 16:38:09 EST, you write:
<< "At 29,you reach the twilight of your drug career." >>
Ee-gads, I hope so. My brother's 28 now, and not showing
any signs of growth.
8) Catherine
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: a few words
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:18:22 +0000
Message-ID: <3336B75D.293B@virgin.net>
A restrained reply
Well, I kept my neb out for a couple of days,and well i never realised
that so many the The fans like ole rog and floyd,
I do like Pink Floyd myself but god , when was the last time i could
bear to sit down and listen to say Dark Side....or Wish You Were......or
lord save me.....Animals.....when I was like 14....a depression(or so
you think when you're 14)addled teenager.
These days 10 years on....the only floyd that hits the deck is Saucerful
of Secrets....or Piper at the Gates Of Dawn......and Syds solo works are
beautiful
To say that Syds music wasn't insightful......Shame on you!
cheers
dave
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: me again
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:20:11 +0000
Message-ID: <3336F00A.4427@virgin.net>
just thought you should know....those were not my words....I was copying
from the article so as much as i would like,I have no connection with
some bizarre or even the great one himself.....mores the pity......
to anyone whos asked for the interview i'll do it soon....
cheers
dave
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From: luster@gnn.com (JaY!)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: drugs
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:21:48
Message-Id: <199703250332.WAA23767@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
I say we all take a bunch of fucking drugs, and then
try to do this list. It'd be a blast, "but we couldn't
take the credit for it" of course.
Oh, and I'll be first in line...
JaY!
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From: Blaine Toney
To: infect
Subject: more a man
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:14:57 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
Ok.
anger introduced into arguments is never a good thing, and I'll be
the first to admit that I am partly to blame for the argument at hand over
drug use and how it pertains to The The and Pink Floyd and the members
therein.
I have to admit that over time, I have lost quite a few friends to
drugs, and of that I can truthfully say that drugs ruined their lives.
They never went on to make any wonderfully popular albums, or went on to
lead successful lives in mine or mainstream civilizations opinion.
Even I have tried drugs ranging from pot to ecstacy, and to be
honest never really thought anything of it. Some of you might beg to
differ, but hey, you're not me. It didnt improve the caliber of my
songwriting ability, nor my sensual experiences.
I was misinformed as to Roger Waters' addiction(s) and Pink Floyds
music. As a matter of fact, I cant stand PF, and I basically attribute
that to their drug use and the effects it had on their early albums. Its
my opinion and nothing else.
Now please, for those of you following this little days of our
lives we have here, I want you to know that I am in no way bowing down
completely and letting those of you who responded so adamantly in your
replies believe that I am admitting that I know nothing about anything. I
should really never have said anything on the topic of PF, knowing what
fans alot of you are of them. In fact, one who mailed in said that (out of
context and abridged) if it is my opinion, then I should make it clear
that it is so. It is my opinion that PF sucks.
Before I close this, I also want to say that when replying to an
argumentative statement, one should, so as to keep things straight, stick
to exactly what the person said, and not twist the other persons words
around. For one, it is entirely possible that what I had meant to say when
I said that it doesnt sound like Matt Johnson and the The used drugs in
order to create their music. Attribute that to my own naivetee I suppose.
I mean, when given examples like PF in the role of 'bands who used drugs
to help create music' it is very easy to overlook bands such as The The. I
always just figured that MJ had a remarkably close perception of life to
my own. But the thing is, in the next paragraph of my letter, I wrote that
I seriously doubted that he HAD NOT USED DRUGS, and did not need them to
make the music that he did, but that of course is purely speculation.
Taking personal shots at me for my statements is purely fucking
childish though. I would have expected more from listeners of The The. I
would expect correction on things that I had said that I was misinformed
on, but aggravated assault?
I am a The The fan. Not for drugs, not for similarities or
non-similarities to other bands, and not for any other reason than the
fact that I feel what Matt Johnson says. I can say that in all honesty.
Blaine Toney
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From: Javed
To: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: Unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:23:28 +0200
Message-ID: <01BC392E.233CD780@ashley>
Well it's all going horribly wrong. =20
>From back in '89 when I first heard Infected and listened with interest =
after a strong recommendation, I remember the first track was good BUT =
then I heard ...
"Y'see I didn't wanna be with any people I know. But God knows, I =
didn't wanna be alone..." followed by lyrics so intense that I could =
only play the track again and hope that my ears hadn't deceived me, they =
hadn't.
Soul Mining's: This is the Day, Giant & Perfect (on limited edition/tape =
only) were good friends of mine for a long time.
Mind Bomb's backend more than made up for the intense hatred (or should =
that be anger?) expressed in the first 3 tracks, which whilst I =
appreciated the music and lyrics it doesn't really do anything for me. =
Kingdom of Rain has now for me a very unfortunate prophetic ring to it, =
which consequently puts August & September's=20
"... sacrifice your happiness to satisfy his pride" , and=20
"Was our love to strong to die or were we just too weak to kill it?" in =
a new light.
Dusk, now whilst I thoroughly enjoyed it, for me it was great music but =
not as enlightening as Soul Mining or as deep as Infected.
Hanky Panky, like a number of people, I felt cheated by this re-hash, =
but I'm happy to say listening to it following my Kingdom of Rain (so to =
speak), Hanky Panky was absolutely spot on. My beer is saline free, =
well sometimes!=20
The point? =20
Matt's a fantastically talented artist, some of his poetry I've marveled =
at and some just wasn't for me, very little I've not enjoyed or at least =
come to enjoy when the time was right for me. =20
I've just been introduced to Richard Bach's books, in particular the =
very famous Jonathan Livingstone Seagull and the absolutely brilliant =
Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah. I was livid with my friend =
at first, whose known me well and for a while not introducing Richard =
Bach's books and his way of thinking to me but then realised that I go =
on (and on and on) about this bloke called Matt Johnson you know the guy =
who is The The.=20
Converted many? Well I've tried and now I've resigned to Matt being my =
little friend and little secret not to be compared to or against another =
but for me neither he nor Bach is a Messiah (despite what the latter may =
think) they're individuals with an opinion or view that I have an =
empathy with. =20
I don't accept their word as gospel, hell because of blind faith the =
world is on its elbows and knees, thank God plagiarism is not a hanging =
offense.
Isn't it ironic (now, now where have I heard that before??!!??) that =
Matt didn't even receive the Ayatollah's Golden Fatwa Award for his =
"God will send us down to Allah to burn" and there I've been trying to =
encourage people to listen to him, hell if he had the praise and =
attention he deserves then we wouldn't be waiting for an album full of =
new tracks but the posthumous The The's Greatest Tracks (I omitted the =
word Hit's 'cause they're more an albums not singles sort of band/Group =
for me).
Question: Does the Judge and Jury for the Late Ayatollah have an e-mail =
account for any good Muslim The The fans, who right now are busy trying =
to find the lyrics just to check? Secondly if there were any devote =
Muslim The The fans then would the above be a test of their faith to =
Allah or Mattsiah (the heir apparent as some would have him).
Answers on the back of a postcard to:
Judge and Jury,
Ayatollah's Golden Fatwa 1997,
Iran.
NB. Only one nomination per entry per person per household. Offer ends =
1 December 1997.
So before I'm accused of loosing the plot (too late, it's lost already! =
- - comes a cry from the crowd). I've shared an opinion, it's my opinion =
that I've chosen to share. It's Matt's music that's been descussed SO =
WHY ON EARTH (err, umm let's stick with the lower case and no swear =
words and I may get my message across better or should I go for the =
strong language hard hitting get the message home approach, I'm not =
sure, it's probably my ignorance 'cause I've still got a lot to fuckin' =
learn).
So why on earth, when ever I log on (weekly) do I get bombarded with the =
poor cousin of diatribe, in petty little jibes at who is the bestest in =
the whole wide world. Now I like it known that my petty attempt at =
humour clearly has two sides. There's the bestest in the whole wide =
world who takes drugs and the bestest in the hold wide world who =
doesn't.
An Athlete and a layman both on steroids for a year are clearly not =
going to perform equally, to those of you who don't find that argument =
acceptable then why haven't you taken drugs, become the next Messiah =
recorded a few albums and retired in your free love hippie sex communes =
or arguably why are you only comparing Matt with REM and Floyd and not =
the whole drug taking music industry less Sir Cliff Richard of course!
I find myself quite disappointed and in unsubscribing shall not be =
reminded (during my current journey, that's the physical 'round the =
world doo dar, as oppose to the other one) of any new albums (he's =
broken his one every three years thing).
Oh do pardon my upbringing (I blame my parents), I've not introduced =
myself, I was, well actually still am, Javed Khan, the bad news is you =
won't hear from me again (a sigh of relief is heard as the forces of =
darkness have suppressed the spirit of man) the good news is that this =
newsgroup can only get better.
Now have we discussed His Holiness Matt The Messiah vs. Morrissey ...
Now there's another story.
Let me leave you with one last thought:-
#@$!%^!:"{}<><>*(&^*&%&^=
%}{":<>?>!#@$!%^!:"{}<>}<>#@$!%^!:"{}<><>*(&^*&%&^=
%}{":<>?>!#@$!%^!:"{}<>}<>#@$!%^!:"{}<><>*(&^*&%&^=
%}{":<>?>!#@$!%^!:"{}<>}<>#@$!%^!:"{}<><>*(&^*&%&^=
%}{":<>?>!#@$!%^!:"{}<>}<>
... hell it was only a thought, you didn't have to agree with it you =
know, freedom of speech or should that be thought. Oh I do hope that I =
haven't got myself into any murky Waters!!
=00
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From: " Kosch Jay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:31:55 -0800 (PST)
Message-Id: <199703251631.IAA03312@f27.hotmail.com>
please unsubscribe me from the THe the mailing list.
j. Koschjayko@hotmail.com
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From: Cara Stephens
To: Javed
Cc: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:35:26 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
please unsubscribe me from the THe the mailing list.
Cara Stephens cestephe@edisto.cofc.edu
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From: Lea Curry
To: Cara Stephens
CC: Javed ,
"'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: UNSUB INFO :READ THIS!
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:39:23 -0800
Message-ID: <33380DCB.275E@sirius.com>
To unsubscribe from this list you have to send an e mail to the LIST
ADDRESS , which is DIFFERENT than the address you post to.
Here are the instructions for unsubscribing. Try REMOVE in both the
subject line, and as the first word in the text. It's a bot, so long
goodbyes won't work, it's just looking for the Remove Command.
Take Care,
Lea
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From: Huck
To: 'infected@cs.uchicago.edu',
Subject: Question
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:19:57 -0400
Message-ID: <333816A5.5CD2@wwonline.com>
I had a question to you guys,
I was wondering how many of you are using macs. If so I have something
to show you =)>
jr
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From: Nate
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What is going on
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:36 EST
Message-Id:
I leave the ist for two days and I come back and the entire thing had
degenerated into a discussion on Drug Use! I also happened to note that
there were a lot of people who unsubscribed from the list recently. If
people don't want to talk about the drugs lets just drop it and move onto a
new topic. Drugs have shaped the music industry. That is a fact that can't
not be argued. So, In my opinion, we all just need to accept that fact and
go on listning to music we like wether it is drug influenced or not. I
don't want to lose any more of the precious the The subscribers because we
are all more interested in talking about ectasy than music. Even if rollin'
and Soul Mining go great together (which they do), I'll take MJ over a high
any day.
Later everyone.
Nate
"Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads"
--They Might Be Giants
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: come out of your bubble
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:15:03 +0000
Message-ID: <3338E916.3570@virgin.net>
whats the deal?
Is it cos Mr Waters was getting slagged or cos you found out shock
horror some people have taken drugs........it seems to me that the
amount of people unsubscribing recently just want their little precious
list all to themselves ........and well...they should take a look out in
the real world...maybe have an argument or two......get out....get some
sunshine......and don't be so sensitive cos it's only words on a
screen.........or maybe our subjects weren't intellectual enough,and if
thats the case then bon voyage......
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From: JWH
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: coming out of my bubble
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:28:58 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID:
I know why people keep leaving the list, it's not that difficult to to
figure out either. I joined a the The mailing list, not one about Pink
Floyd or drugs and it is unfair that people are being torn to shreds over
not wanting to talk about such things and subsequently leaving.
Someone said something about this just being words, but I don't have
enough free time to delete twenty-odd messages about things that utterly,
abjectly and unequivicably fail to have anything to do with the
subject of this list. Not to even mention how I despise thinking about,
much less listening to Pink Floyd.
I joined this mailing list for the The and if other people are pissed and
leaving because nothing in their inbox has anything to do with Matt
Johnson then I can not blame them at all.
Furthermore, illegal drugs are illegal; enough said.
Now, go ahead and have you field day tearing me to sheds for voicing my
opinion. I have better things to do than to muck about all day with
email.
- -Josh Hamilton
jwh@tmbg.org
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From: Cara Stephens
To: JWH
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: coming out of my bubble
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:58:12 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id:
josh said it all.
Cara Stephens cestephe@edisto.cofc.edu
On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, JWH wrote:
> I know why people keep leaving the list, it's not that difficult to to
> figure out either. I joined a the The mailing list, not one about Pink
> Floyd or drugs and it is unfair that people are being torn to shreds over
> not wanting to talk about such things and subsequently leaving.
> Someone said something about this just being words, but I don't have
> enough free time to delete twenty-odd messages about things that utterly,
> abjectly and unequivicably fail to have anything to do with the
> subject of this list. Not to even mention how I despise thinking about,
> much less listening to Pink Floyd.
> I joined this mailing list for the The and if other people are pissed and
> leaving because nothing in their inbox has anything to do with Matt
> Johnson then I can not blame them at all.
> Furthermore, illegal drugs are illegal; enough said.
> Now, go ahead and have you field day tearing me to sheds for voicing my
> opinion. I have better things to do than to muck about all day with
> email.
> -Josh Hamilton
> jwh@tmbg.org
>
>
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: matt
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:29:55 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID:
does anyone know where matt is living now?
wendy
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: matt
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 19:07:10 -0500
Message-ID: <19970327000618.AAA1745@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Don't know his permanent home, but he does spend a portion of his time in New York.
Vonn "Devo"
"None so blind as those who refuse to see." ...Col. Harvey
"How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?" ...Matt Johnson
"Give her some good!" ...Andy Griffith
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 3:29 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: matt
does anyone know where matt is living now?
wendy
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From: Mark Jaycock
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
CC: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton" ,
infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:31:55 -0800
Message-ID: <333A145B.247E@ican.net>
When I saw Matt do an interview in Toronto a couple of years ago, he
said he had now moved to New York permanently, which personally struck
me as kind of sacrilidge, as he just seems to suit the UK.
Mark
Vonn F. Campbell wrote:
>
> Don't know his permanent home, but he does spend a portion of his time in New York.
>
> Vonn "Devo"
>
> "None so blind as those who refuse to see." ...Col. Harvey
> "How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?" ...Matt Johnson
> "Give her some good!" ...Andy Griffith
>
> ----------
> From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 3:29 PM
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: matt
>
> does anyone know where matt is living now?
>
> wendy
- --
* check out the Metro Toronto Zoo's at http://www.torontozoo.com
* check our web page at http://home.ican.net/~mjaycock
O O
/l\/l\ (O)_/ Mark, Pamela and Max
lL lL lL L
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From: hayward3@ix.netcom.com (blue)
To: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:25:01 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id: <199703270425.WAA12956@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>
> does anyone know where matt is living now?
>
> wendy
>
>
why, are you planning on stalking him?
can i come along? ;p
blue
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: Mark Jaycock
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: matt
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 97 22:06:13 -0500
Message-ID: <19970328030517.AAA13272@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Absolutey! He does suit the UK. It seems his life, his art, his soul
belongs in the UK. I can't imagine Matt wanting to live in New York.
(No offense to those residents)
Vonn "Devo"
"None so blind as those who refuse to see." ...Col. Harvey
"How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?" ...Matt Johnson
"Give her some good!" ...Andy Griffith
- ----------
From: Mark Jaycock
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 1997 1:31 AM
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
Cc: "Woltjer; Wendy - Canton" ; infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt
When I saw Matt do an interview in Toronto a couple of years ago, he
said he had now moved to New York permanently, which personally struck
me as kind of sacrilidge, as he just seems to suit the UK.
Mark
Vonn F. Campbell wrote:
>
> Don't know his permanent home, but he does spend a portion of his time in New York.
>
> Vonn "Devo"
>
> "None so blind as those who refuse to see." ...Col. Harvey
> "How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?" ...Matt Johnson
> "Give her some good!" ...Andy Griffith
>
> ----------
> From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 3:29 PM
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: matt
>
> does anyone know where matt is living now?
>
> wendy
- --
* check out the Metro Toronto Zoo's at http://www.torontozoo.com
* check our web page at http://home.ican.net/~mjaycock
O O
/l\/l\ (O)_/ Mark, Pamela and Max
lL lL lL L
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From: H2obugs@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: matt
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:47:34 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970328094732_954779718@emout01.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 97-03-26 21:59:52 EST, you write:
<< When I saw Matt do an interview in Toronto a couple of years ago, he
said he had now moved to New York permanently, which personally struck
me as kind of sacrilidge, as he just seems to suit the UK. >>
You're right. I can't help but think of the lyrics to "heartland." Maybe
his philosophy on this was "what's the difference?" He is closer to
his producer now.
- -Catherine
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From: "Ian"
To: "infected"
Subject: Re: REMOVE
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 04:17:05 -0500
Message-Id: <199703260918.EAA27780@homer.thenet.net>
Howdy,
I suggest we send zipped copies of entire hard drives to those folks who
cannot fathom the correct unsubscribe procedure. I admit that "remove" is
better than a nasty unsub, but it's rather disconcerting...especially when
viewed day after day. In fact, it's nearly as annoying as psueds slagging
U2 for the sake of being "indie" or whatever the appropriate lable for
pompous may be. I've been a fan of U2 for 12 years (ouch!) and that is
neither here nor there, but if nothing else; respect the risk they have
undergone to re-invent themselves album after album. Just remember that
Matt could/might do what U2 did with Joshua Tree-- which is create a
brilliant album that appeals to critics, commonfolk and the like. And sell
like hell...if you need proof of his motives, I have an insightful
interview addressing this issue. So seeya at the next kegger with theThe in
the background...not ;0.
Ian
P.s. The Orb is God, especially UFOrb and the new one is very promising.
And the unsubscribe address is
infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
Not: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
- ----------
> From:
> To: infected
> Subject: REMOVE
> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 2:37 AM
>
> remove
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From: Bill Jost
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Enough crap! Let em leave
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:16:09 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970326171609.00803420@email.psu.edu>
**The following paragraph was written by me and contains opinions...if you
are offended by these opinions or by the way in which they are presented
you are free to delete this message -- go on try it! It takes all of 2
seconds.**
This is a mailing list which has a general topic of the The, but by no
means are/should message not dealing directly with the The be restricted!
If some of you don't understand or like this then I'll be happy to see your
unsubscribe or lack of one (depending on how well you read directions :P).
There isn't enough information on previous the The works or on upcoming
ones to fill all messages. Other discussions are bound to occur and should
be embraced if you like them or ignored if you don't.
Bill Jost (wajost@ingsoc.com)
- --It's just a matter of opinions....Why should you bother with the
other side, when you know yours is right? -D. Gilmour
At 12:28 PM 3/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I know why people keep leaving the list, it's not that difficult to to
>
>Now, go ahead and have you field day tearing me to sheds for voicing my
>opinion. I have better things to do than to muck about all day with
>email.
>-Josh Hamilton
>jwh@tmbg.org
>
>
>
Bill (wajost@ingsoc.com)
- --In America, and increasingly in Europe, technology is
a one-eyed king ruling unopposed amidst idiot cheering.
-- Neil Postman
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From: MORITZ BRANDI
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: happy easter
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:02:13 +1000 (EST)
Message-ID:
LIL' TRIBUTE TO THE MAN
- -before everyone screams abuse for clogging up the mail-list, respect the
fact that due to my one-finger-search it only took me about a week to type-
friends,
seems to me the infected chat is pretty much a seppo thing-where are all
the other fans out there?
but before i'm being felled by your troops with the single-mindedness of a
norwegian furrier clubbing to death a baby harp seal, allow me to add some
spice.
while the lack of constructive criticism in your septic fast food culture
ain't nuttin' new, i did hope for a more progressive evaluation among the the
devotees. but once again i've become disillusioned. i'm sad to find the
same reactionary deadheads as in any other crew.
the hard-hitting reality of matt's decision to cover hank has been
digested by now, but understood (as i mentioned earlier) as nothing but his
attempt to gather only the truest of fans around him. but who could have
predicted all those lemmings? i read your posts (eg irene:"we should just
appreciate as a musical tribute to another great musical genius." be
careful with the term genius unless talking about mr matt, baby) and
am astonished at the naive praise for absolutely everything matt's
catering.
although hank dealt with some of mj's issues, i don't need a cowboy
sittin' around a campfire consecrating his misery while fellas are hanging
down trees. while i slowly ride to my showdown with the world, i need nuttin'
but a gun with matt's bullets in the chamber.
besides, in my humble opinion, you can hear that matt's voice's ranting
about someone else's experiences. i admit though i don't know anything about
hank's life, maybe someone can teach me why the guy got hassled by the
coppers and why his human existence was cut short.
robert johnson, yep i could live with that, but then i had to read in the
infected archives matt might cover the beatles?? if that proves to be true
it's truly time to say good bye world. while i actually find a hank tribute
quite humorous, the beatles regurgitated is about as exciting and original
as a shopping mall and its parking lot.
to state the obvious i have always voiced my belief (since the release of
soul mining, and i was only a 13 year-old pimple-faced grom then) that mj
is the greatest artist to fall onto this planet. the musical talent of a
mozart with the analytical prowess of a noam chomsky, the integrity of a
nelson mandela and the athleticism of another mj. but i hate comparisons.
yet i do have to protest with the vehemence of jordan after being teased
by the knicks coach if i hear the name the beatles, who've been on
life-support for too long anyway. yet eventually i know this project is as
likely as finding love in a swingers club.
as to all the other names popping up in your debate (roger waters and other
poop from the past, as well as britshit from the present), it only shows how
much you've been blinded by indoctrination. sad thing is your bastard country
does the same thing with the rest of us. but i can't get into that right now.
for those of you wondering what matt's doing in his exhausting breaks, i
know he's been listening to john coltrane, public enemy, ernie ranglin and
galliano's joyful noise upon ... all day while sipping on a couple of coldies.
heaven. who can blame him for chilling for a while?
but enough said. i will grab my shooter, jump in my car and head down the
coast, while yet another cyclone creates pumping swell. hope for the
right offshore winds and 6" barrels will make my heart rejoice. when i
paddle out and wait for the next set to roll in i will surely hum a few
of matt's tunes.
and finally i will think about all of you seppos suspended in the vastness
of your miserable nation thousands of miles away from any surf. and when
you spend easter listening to fuckin floyd records, staring at the ceiling
and thinking god really is that cruel, i will gulp down a couple of those
colorful drinks with umbrellas in 'em.
happy easter everyone!!!
and enjoy discussing drugs.
sir vive
ps: to everyone who flamed me for praising tricky, check out the track
sex drive, sounds like the young matthew.
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: MORITZ BRANDI
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: happy easter
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:37:20 -0600 (CST)
Message-Id:
I've heard the rantings, I've heard the bitching, but finally I have seen
a post of beauty. It made wading through the Roger Waters/drug posts
worth the pain. Probably the best, fun post in over a year. THANKS!!
Anyhow, what size board, and what coast? I'm stuck in the middle of corn
fields in Illinois, and missing my sweet home Florida (but at least
there's rugby to take the pain away!)
Happy Easter
Patrick
ps: are all the The fans terminally depressed or pissed off at the world
(except for Brandi and me, I guess)?
On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, MORITZ BRANDI wrote:
>
>
> LIL' TRIBUTE TO THE MAN
>
> -before everyone screams abuse for clogging up the mail-list, respect the
> fact that due to my one-finger-search it only took me about a week to type-
>
>
>
> friends,
> seems to me the infected chat is pretty much a seppo thing-where are all
> the other fans out there?
> but before i'm being felled by your troops with the single-mindedness of a
> norwegian furrier clubbing to death a baby harp seal, allow me to add some
> spice.
>
> while the lack of constructive criticism in your septic fast food culture
> ain't nuttin' new, i did hope for a more progressive evaluation among the the
> devotees. but once again i've become disillusioned. i'm sad to find the
> same reactionary deadheads as in any other crew.
>
> the hard-hitting reality of matt's decision to cover hank has been
> digested by now, but understood (as i mentioned earlier) as nothing but his
> attempt to gather only the truest of fans around him. but who could have
> predicted all those lemmings? i read your posts (eg irene:"we should just
> appreciate as a musical tribute to another great musical genius." be
> careful with the term genius unless talking about mr matt, baby) and
> am astonished at the naive praise for absolutely everything matt's
> catering.
>
> although hank dealt with some of mj's issues, i don't need a cowboy
> sittin' around a campfire consecrating his misery while fellas are hanging
> down trees. while i slowly ride to my showdown with the world, i need nuttin'
> but a gun with matt's bullets in the chamber.
> besides, in my humble opinion, you can hear that matt's voice's ranting
> about someone else's experiences. i admit though i don't know anything about
> hank's life, maybe someone can teach me why the guy got hassled by the
> coppers and why his human existence was cut short.
>
> robert johnson, yep i could live with that, but then i had to read in the
> infected archives matt might cover the beatles?? if that proves to be true
> it's truly time to say good bye world. while i actually find a hank tribute
> quite humorous, the beatles regurgitated is about as exciting and original
> as a shopping mall and its parking lot.
>
> to state the obvious i have always voiced my belief (since the release of
> soul mining, and i was only a 13 year-old pimple-faced grom then) that mj
> is the greatest artist to fall onto this planet. the musical talent of a
> mozart with the analytical prowess of a noam chomsky, the integrity of a
> nelson mandela and the athleticism of another mj. but i hate comparisons.
>
> yet i do have to protest with the vehemence of jordan after being teased
> by the knicks coach if i hear the name the beatles, who've been on
> life-support for too long anyway. yet eventually i know this project is as
> likely as finding love in a swingers club.
>
> as to all the other names popping up in your debate (roger waters and other
> poop from the past, as well as britshit from the present), it only shows how
> much you've been blinded by indoctrination. sad thing is your bastard country
> does the same thing with the rest of us. but i can't get into that right now.
>
> for those of you wondering what matt's doing in his exhausting breaks, i
> know he's been listening to john coltrane, public enemy, ernie ranglin and
> galliano's joyful noise upon ... all day while sipping on a couple of coldies.
> heaven. who can blame him for chilling for a while?
>
> but enough said. i will grab my shooter, jump in my car and head down the
> coast, while yet another cyclone creates pumping swell. hope for the
> right offshore winds and 6" barrels will make my heart rejoice. when i
> paddle out and wait for the next set to roll in i will surely hum a few
> of matt's tunes.
>
> and finally i will think about all of you seppos suspended in the vastness
> of your miserable nation thousands of miles away from any surf. and when
> you spend easter listening to fuckin floyd records, staring at the ceiling
> and thinking god really is that cruel, i will gulp down a couple of those
> colorful drinks with umbrellas in 'em.
>
> happy easter everyone!!!
> and enjoy discussing drugs.
>
> sir vive
>
> ps: to everyone who flamed me for praising tricky, check out the track
> sex drive, sounds like the young matthew.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: H2obugs@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Enough crap! Let em leave
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:59:10 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <970326215905_-1906287548@emout10.mail.aol.com>
To the powers that be, or anyone who may know -
Is there a way to digest this list? Maybe that would
make it more potable for everyone.
- -Catherine
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From: dave being
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: not pink floyd.......not drugs.........
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:39:57 +0000
Message-ID: <333BBC1D.5CA8@virgin.net>
ermmmm........do we really have that much to talk about regarding the
The,cos I know that we're all agreed that Matts music is beautiful an
all that,but he certainly doesn't seem to be all that active at the
moment,we could go over the same old subjects ,.......I just don't see
whats wrong with discussing other subjects,whatever they might
be......and the pink floyd discussions arose due to all the bloody roger
waters quotes that were appearing on the end of peoples messages,and
then obviously the ignorance of some people on the drugs
issue.......BUT.....well there is no but.........chill out
everyone............anyway,
on the subject of Mr Johnsons living arrangements,really if you had
lived in Britain all your life and you had the opportunity to get out of
the place you would...just listen to Heartland,there's not a lot of love
lost .....
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From: Lea Curry
To: dave.being@virgin.net
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not pink floyd.......not drugs.........
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:36:20 -0800
Message-ID: <333C0194.574D@sirius.com>
Dave writes:
> ermmmm........do we really have that much to talk about regarding the
> The,cos I know that we're all agreed that Matts music is beautiful an
> all that,but he certainly doesn't seem to be all that active at the
> moment,we could go over the same old subjects ,.......
I originally just signed on to this list because I was curious to see
if there was a new album in the works, and have basically been too lazy
to sign off, but I agree with Dave. What is wrong with a bit of
discussion? I am suprised to see such conservatism and reactionary
attitude here. I wonder why such people would like The The in the first
place and am suprised they just wouldn't be offended by it.
Chilling out seems like a really good idea, or when you get old like me
youll be REALLY uptight.
L.
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From: Travis Emmitt
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Good Friday
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:25:52 -0500
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970328102552.00960b20@anlys3.arl.bna.boeing.com>
the The The list -
Hey, since we're going with all sorts of off-topic stuff nowadays,
does anyone know if U. Chicago has a good computer science or
engineering PhD program? (I saw Chicago for the 1st time this
week on a stop-over and thought it had a very cool feel!)
Also, two ideas that I'm trying to promote on the Julian Cope list
but which are equally applicable here:
1) Is there any interest in putting together a The The tribute
tape (TTTT)?
2) Is there any interest in helping me assemble an online The
The concert repository? I don't know how legal it is, but
we can take bootlegs and put them on-line, like I did for a
Cope concert (70 minutes!). Fans would love it, and newbies
would get a good first-look into the live aspect of The The.
Who knows, maybe it would even promote concert sales. It
certainly wouldn't hurt.
Travis
p.s. Hey all you bickerers out there, I think it's time you took
a little yellow chill pill called happy face. Better yet, I've
got a special little drink right here, something my friends in
San Diego whipped up.
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From: luster@gnn.com (JaY!)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Good Friday
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:26:45
Message-Id: <199703282137.QAA21443@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>
> 1) Is there any interest in putting together a The The tribute
> tape (TTTT)?
tried to get something like this going about a month ago...only got
one response and dropped the idea!
JaY!
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