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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: RE: tour fun (fwd)
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:05:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
this one only came to me, but other folks will enjoy it...
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"This old boy's got misery deep down in his soul.
This old world's too big, and this old world's too cold.
I'll be riding that freight train when she comes down the track,
and the next time you see me leave, I'll be flat on my back."
--hank williams
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 15:55:31 -0500 (CDT)
From:ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: dbh@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
Subject: RE: tour fun
Oh.....the Cranberries are terrible anyways!!
Speaking of modern music I've got to vent a little.
What's up with music getting to the point where the more weird
we are the better are music is, the more albums we'll sell. We've
become more interested in freaks of nature rather than good music.
What happened to the days of Ella Fitzgerald, Coltrane, etc...
I know, we have some good music going around (The The for example)
David Gray, Tina & the B-Side Movement, Dead Can Dance, Solsonics,
Brand New Heavies, and more. But if you think about it....my parents
look back upon their history of Bob Dylan(who might as well be a poet
along with being a musician), Hendrix, Beatles, Joplin, Curtis
Mayfield, Marvin Gaye.....relatively the 50's Beat generation up
through the 60's and 70's. We are known as generation x (of which I
am offended to be called) and we have Curt Cobain...who was good at
best. The artists of my parents age would spit and scoff on his
weak lyrics, mediocre to good playing but really should have been a
flash in the pan. So to all those he mourn Cobain like fanatics...
you fools!
Dave. (Should strike a cord with a few, eh?)
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From: John Higgs
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: tour fun (fwd)
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 14:05:54 GMT
Message-Id: <199605021405.OAA29169@netcom.co.uk>
At 17:05 01/05/96 -0400, you wrote:
>this one only came to me, but other folks will enjoy it...
>
>
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>From:ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
>Speaking of modern music I've got to vent a little.
>What's up with music getting to the point where the more weird
>we are the better are music is, the more albums we'll sell. We've
>become more interested in freaks of nature rather than good music.
You know, this exact same argument was used a lot during the sixties too.
History has not judged it kindly.
Every decade or generation produces maybe 5% of amazing music and 95% of
forgetable garbage. The classic bands of the sixties you mentioned made
some damn fine music that really sumed up that era - just as the best bands
now manage to evoke life in the 90s. And like it or not, we are living in
the 90s, and the best bands are speaking about our lives rather than our
parents'. Surely that counts for something?
Please don't fear change. Change is good. Compare Soul Mining to Dusk.
Could we have really stomached a Soul Mining part 5?
>The artists of my parents age would spit and scoff on his
>weak lyrics, mediocre to good playing but really should have been a
>flash in the pan. So to all those he mourn Cobain like fanatics...
>you fools!
>
>Dave. (Should strike a cord with a few, eh?)
>
>
No doubt when we all start breeding some of us will have children who
dislike the then contempary scene, children who claim that the only good
bands were Orbital, The Prodigy, Pulp, The Chemical Brothers or whatever. I
just hope that those kids aren't mine!
Rant rant rant,
John
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From: luster@gnn.com (la la luster)
To: j.higgs@netcom.co.uk
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: tour fun (fwd)
Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:06:06
Message-Id: <199605021608.MAA07419@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>>Speaking of modern music I've got to vent a little.
>>What's up with music getting to the point where the more weird
>>we are the better are music is,
are you confusing weird with different? That would be a shame...
the more albums we'll sell. We've
>>become more interested in freaks of nature rather than good
music.
The freaks of nature are usually the ones doing things
differently...you assume your opinion--your "good music" is the
same i find good--or for that matter all that can be good.
>You know, this exact same argument was used a lot during the
sixties too.
>History has not judged it kindly.
beatles ring a bell?
>
>Every decade or generation produces maybe 5% of amazing music and
95% of
>forgetable garbage.
true.
The classic bands of the sixties you mentioned made
>some damn fine music that really sumed up that era - just as the
best bands
>now manage to evoke life in the 90s.
mmm. I've not found too many bands that really do a good job of
speaking for me. The The, the smiths, pulp...maybe.
And like it or not, we are living in
>the 90s, and the best bands are speaking about our lives rather
than our
>parents'.
wrong.
Surely that counts for something?
>
not really
>Please don't fear change. Change is good. Compare Soul Mining to
Dusk.
>Could we have really stomached a Soul Mining part 5?
matt would never...stupid point. That's why were here.
>
>>The artists of my parents age would spit and scoff on his
>>weak lyrics, mediocre to good playing but really should have been
a
>>flash in the pan.
My parents have been right on very few things...another stupid
point you've made.
So to all those he mourn Cobain like fanatics...
>>you fools!
I don't mourn him, but i like(d) him. He had style...more than
most bands these days...
>No doubt when we all start breeding some of us will have children
who
>dislike the then contempary scene, children who claim that the
only good
>bands were Orbital, The Prodigy, Pulp, The Chemical Brothers or
whatever.
> I
>just hope that those kids aren't mine!
Stupid fuck. Pulp are ace. No question.
I've met the Jarvis man...you wouldn't even be able to carry
conversation with him.
Don't know who all those quotes were from...bunch of garbage,
though.
JaY
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From: nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
To: Ian , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos and popularity
Date: Wed, 01 May 96 16:04:32 cst
Message-Id: <9604018309.AA830991809@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us>
Does anyone have the CD single from HANKY PANKY's I SAW THE
LIGHT? I'd really love a copy of the bsides and am willing
to trade a tape with a collection of b-sides/rare
tracks/remixes with whomever has more recent bsides etc.
email me directly at
nmarkham@pjc.cc.fl.us
with subject the the trade or something close.
i'm in florida but would trade anywhere around the world....
a tape's a tape, y'know?
nathan
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From: "Jan Schneider" <00schnei@HRZ.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
To: nmarkham@pjc.cc.fl.us, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: videos and popularity
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 23:45:39 +0100
Message-Id: <199605032150.AA250890244@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
On 1 May 96 at 16:04, nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
wrote:
> Does anyone have the CD single from HANKY PANKY's I SAW THE
> LIGHT? I'd really love a copy of the bsides and am willing
> to trade a tape with a collection of b-sides/rare
> tracks/remixes with whomever has more recent bsides etc.
I just bought one a week ago:
It's got 3 b-side-tracks:
- I'm Free At Last
- Someday You'll Call My Name
- There's No Room In My Heart For The Blues
... just the same "Hank-style", not really MY thing but I you want to
trade a tape, I'd like to!
Jan!
____________________________________________________________
### Everybody knows, what's going wrong with the world,
but I don't even know what's going on in myself (M.J.)
v ______________________________________________________
--- JAN SCHNEIDER <00-Schneider@Post.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>
http://www.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de/~00schnei/jan.htm
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: la la luster
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:56:59 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
look out! luster is in a tizzy!
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"This old boy's got misery deep down in his soul.
This old world's too big, and this old world's too cold.
I'll be riding that freight train when she comes down the track,
and the next time you see me leave, I'll be flat on my back."
--hank williams
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: la la luster
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 01:28:09 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199605030028.BAA29852@GPO.iol.ie>
I think JaY's recent little outburst could be cited for all on-line novices,
as a prime example of what one might normally refer to, as a mail of the
flaming variety ;-)
Carl.
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From: ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: In Response to J. Higgs
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 20:03:05 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <960502200305.161d@briar-cliff.edu>
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:46:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: Postmaster@briar-cliff.edu
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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 19:46:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: infected.cs.uchicago.edu@briar-cliff.edu
Message-Id: <960502194640.161d@briar-cliff.edu>
Subject: In Response to J.Higgs
I do want to thank you for your reply.
See, I guess that's where we differ...I don't think the majority of
bands are reflecting our lives today. Much of what I hear of people
listening to seems like it's either "commercial bubble-gum garbage",
"crap for lyrics bands", "unintelligable psycho-babble", or the
bands posing as "psuedo intellectuals", supposedly talking for a
generation. But most of it can be labled under the term "crap". It's
not necessarily the "freakiness" of bands that I dislike. It is when
all we get is "freakiness" without the good music. Take the Chili-
Peppers for example: first they had original music, funky, creative,
mixing in all sorts of sounds and lyrics (Freaky Styley). Granted, they
were freaks....so to speak...then. But look at them now...continuing
with the freakishness, but this time they forgot the good music. I'm not
saying they should play the same style all the time but they have let the
"costume" of rock lead over the "heart & quality".
As for being different though. Who says you have to be unique all the time
to be good? Look at the blues musicians: they have varied styles but the
themes and rythmns are all very similar. It is a music of style, class and
respect.
And I don't fear change though. As William Blake wrote: Without contraries
there is no progression.
Change is good as long as it still holds artistic quality.
Again (j.higgs), I thank you for your reply...
I sent the letter only to you on accident but I guess it was a good thing.
Hear from ya again,
Dave.
End of returned message
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From: Douglas H Walker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: In Response to J. Higgs
Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 09:00:16 CDT
Message-Id: <9605031400.AA15979@pv343f.vincent.iastate.edu>
The recent conversation on music today has been interesting, so I thought
I'd throw in my couple o' cents. It seems to me the most influential
event in the evolution of pop/rock music today was the advent of MTV.
Ever since MTV became a popular station back in the early 80's, bands
have been more concerned with posing for rock videos than producing
innovative music. Image has become more important than content. Sure
there were artists like David Bowie and Elton John back in the 70's who
were very theatrical on stage, but that's what it was, theatrics, not an
attempt to create the image of being "cool" for the teenagers.
Look at what has happened to U2. They were one of the most innovative
bands in the early 80s; WAR was a masterpiece IMO. Ever since releasing
Johsua Tree, which is a great album also, they seemed to get caught up in
this "Hey, look how cool and brooding I am in the video wearing these
shades" attitude. Just compare the concert videos Under a Blood Red Sky
and Rattle and Hum and I think you'll see the difference between a band
passionate about its music, and a band passionate about posing for the
camera.
Sorry to ramble about non theTHe related stuff and I don't mean to sound
like an old man complaining about today's music. There are some good
bands out there, but just not as many as there should or could be IMO.
- -walker
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (The best executioner)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: the point
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 16:57:14 +0100
Message-Id: <96050316571443@mozart.which.co.uk>
Surely the whole point in U2 turning themselves into a band 'to be worshipped'
is to take the piss out of those who expected them to do it. By completely
exagerating the point and really playing out the image of a God like
untouchable rock band seen through the medium of the television they have
succesfully created an art form out of the 'live' gig come multimedia experience
- - this is far more innovative than a standard rock gig that they may have put
on before. I think this is to be encouraged, and I don't even like U2.
Music is evolving all the time and while certain bands hark back to the sound
and visuals of the sixties or seventies a lot have merged this with louder
harsher guitars and attitudes, modern lyrical perspectives, wierd spacey noises
throughout and still top tunes. Alongside this, ambient dance acts keep pushing
the boundaries of what sounds can be used on tracks and what drums should sound
like (like early Matt Johnson), Trip hop combining sampling and instruments to
create a unique chilled out unworldly groove, and a general experimentation
amongst most artists to try to create something new and interesting.
Music's great and there's shit loads of it being made everywhere so I have no
idea what the moaning is about - expand your taste and you should learn to
appreciate what's happening,
Jake.
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From: ROBBINS@briar-cliff.edu
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Misc.
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:42:06 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <960503114206.e33@briar-cliff.edu>
- -walker,
I agree, as you can tell. Though I still like new U2 material, War was an
incredible masterpiece. I'd been arguing with my two roomates about what
U2 album is the best. One of my roomates is an incredible U2 fan....much
more than me. U2 is alright in my mind. But I suggested War. He said it
isn't War but he's not sure what is the best one.
As for my gripe session, I too don not want to sound overly "bitchy" about
music today. We do have some really good music.
I want to get a plug in real quick.....BUY DAVID GRAY C-D's!! Incredible!
Try Daid Gray: Flesh first then get into David Gray: A Century Ends.
By the way, John Higgs....are you from the good 'ole UK?
If so I've got a few questions about what you think of Morrissey...and
a little about the more recent Brit. Music scene.
Thanks for the good incites this week everyone!
Dave.
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From: nmarkham@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: spammessage looking for jake in UK with I saw the light
Date: Fri, 03 May 96 11:53:51 cst
Message-Id: <9604038311.AA831149640@smtplink.pjc.cc.fl.us>
sorry for this private quest for jake, but
jake,
I got your post. sounds great!
when I replied, however, I keep getting my message back.
could you send me your address again? i tried:
bickertonj@which.co.uk
and it won't work for me....
thanks
nate
nmarkham@pjc.cc.fl.us
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From: Smiley Boy
To: the The List
Subject: Populatity and modern music
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 12:19:34 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
This is a post I made to the Levellers mailing list. It's funny
how both lists picked up on the same topic at the same time! Sorry I
can't add anything to the U2 discussion, but I'm not really a big fan of
theirs.
Being someone who tends to prefer more independent or
"alternative" bands, I really don't listen much to what has been deemed
"pop" music much. I really think the commercialization of music has led
to a lot of the crap we now associate with the 90's sound. Sure I agree
that MTV or MuchMusic (Canada's answer to MTV) have a lot to do with it,
but I think the trend is started with the Top 40 (popular) radio stations.
So often the popular radio stations will overplay certain tunes
that are deemed popular. This means the mass population of people will
pick up on this trend, buy the same music and play it to death. My 14
year old neighbour killed "Live" for me that way. I cannot now listen to
my "Live" disc without feeling the need to wring her neck.
Popularity is a wierd thing. Some bands can take it and some
can't. One of my favourite Canadian bands "Spirit of the West" went for
the popularity thing and fell BIG time. They used to sing about the
poor and the exploitation of the working class by the rich; this same band
showed up to a signing session in a limo. Not that I think all bands are
going to do this, but it happens. Another reality of the popularity thing
is that record companies are usually on the backs of the artists to make
more music after one album goes big, thus sacrificing quality for
quantity. Of the two outcomes, I'd argue that gaining popularity has more
of a negative effect on bands. Two bands off the top of my head: Nirvana
and Pearl Jam. Both WERE quite fine bands until they gained status when
the "grunge thing" came in.
My point: It is the constant playing of a "mainstream" popular
tune (by either the radio or a 14 year-old neighbour who just can't get
enough Oasis) that makes it suck. Thus I tend to think that MOST popular
music blows -- because it IS played to death.
It is a big issue. One that I have heard many opinions on.
skot :)
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I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.
-King Missile
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From: John Higgs
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Misc.
Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 15:30:04 GMT
Message-Id: <199605121530.PAA01267@netcom.co.uk>
At 11:42 03/05/96 -0500, behfar@cs.uchicago.edu wrote:
>-walker,
(snip)
>By the way, John Higgs....are you from the good 'ole UK?
>If so I've got a few questions about what you think of Morrissey...and
>a little about the more recent Brit. Music scene.
>
>Thanks for the good incites this week everyone!
>
>Dave.
>
Excuse the delay to replying to this but I've been in Ireland for a week :*D
Yeah, I'm in the UK and I have my carefully considered opinions about The
Smiths, and Morrisey in particular. Be warned though, these are formed by a
number of good-humoured arguments with my Smiths-fan girlfriend.
Back in '86 (my God! 10 years ago!!) I had little time for The Smiths. I
had just discovered Infected...
So what is it that you want to ask?
John
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From: "M.A.Moynier"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Thoughts about music
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 16:02:58 GMT0BST
Message-ID:
Well, I must say that all this talk has got me thinking. First of
all, I agree with the person that said that popular music sucks
because it is way over played. I worked as a lifeguard for 6 summers,
and believe me, I perfected the art of hating songs. When your high
school counterparts insist on the top 40 station (which sure beat the
country station), you begin to tell time by the number of times a
certain song is played on that station. The hottest song of the week
was usually played once an hour. I think that Live is a good example.
What once a decent group to me, now illicits hatred. U2, the
Cranberries, REM, etc can be argued in the same way. It's not the
music that I hate anymore, although I do get a bit sick of the
repetition. It's the people that like the music- the people that are
listening to it because everyone else is, not because they have given
the lyrics any thought, nor appreciate any intricacies (if
applicable) of the music. For that reason, if I buy a CD which
becomes hugely popular later, I have trouble listening to it after
that point for fear that I will be seen as part of the mindless
massest that are listening to it. With that said, aren't we all glad
that Matt Johnson hasn't become a pop icon?
In defense of U2, I think that the whole icon thing IS a ploy to
take the piss out of the whole worshipping thing. Can you really see
Bono saying that he is a god (which he did in NME this fall) and
being serious? He's pulling everyone's string who leaves it dangling.
As for their music after Rattle and Hum, I think that Actung Baby was
a bit weak where as Zooropa is fascinating. The message may no longer
be political but it does have something about society. Listen to
Faraway, So Close. I admit that I am interested to hear what the put
out next. I'm sure that I forgot to cover something, but you all (I
sure) will point it out soon enough. That's it.
Mark
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mfzx5mam@stud.man.ac.uk
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From: Ian
To: "'infected'"
Subject: RE: Thoughts about music
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 16:10:05 -0400
Message-ID: <01BB39D4.34159420@ppp-mia-69.shadow.net>
On Saturday, May 04, 1996 12:02 PM, =
M.A.Moynier[SMTP:MFZX5MAM@fs1.art.man.ac.uk] wrote:
=20
> In defense of U2, I think that the whole icon thing IS a ploy to =
>take the piss out of the whole worshipping thing. Can you really see =
>Bono saying that he is a god (which he did in NME this fall) and=20
>being serious? He's pulling everyone's string who leaves it =
dangling.=20
=20
That's exactly correct. I don't even think this qualifies as an opinion =
(read fact). If the cynics among us need proof as to the whole =
Macphisto/Fly persona being a con--I refer you to the Hold Me Thrill =
Me...video in which the Fly character plummets to his death while being =
photo'd and hounded by reporters (BTW--The Fly smiles throughout the =
process). Enough about U2 (out of respect for Infected).
Part II--Pertinence to theThe
One last bit about U2--I was most proud to be a U2 admirer when few knew =
who they actually were. So, let us enjoy Matt's current popularity =
status. It's a lovely quality control measure, and you can bet few =
artists are as over- looked and underrated as he. Wait till the next =
album, I predict he'll fill Wembley, Shea, and JFK ;0. It's amazing what =
an ale will do for a percocet.
In conclusion, considering the entire collections of both U2 and =
theThe--I find similarities in their paths. Dusk=3DAchtung Baby, M.B.=3D =
Unforgettable Fire, Infected=3DWar (you either love it or you don't). I =
realize these are gross generalizations, yet my musical intuition forces =
me to compare and contrast in certain cases. U2's upcoming release has =
been described (by U2) as urban-rock, loaded with guitars--sound =
familiar?=20
______________________________________
"Facts an' facts, an' t'ings an' t'ings:=20
dem's all a lotta fockin' bullshit..."--Bob Marley
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Thoughts about music
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 13:18:04 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199605051218.NAA12186@GPO.iol.ie>
At 16:10 04/05/96 -0400, Ian wrote:
> let us enjoy Matt's current popularity status. It's a lovely quality
control measure, and you can bet few artists are as over- looked and
underrated as he. Wait till the next album, I predict he'll fill Wembley,
Shea, and JFK ;0. It's amazing what an ale will do for a percocet.
I personally can't ever see Matt being hugely popular and being a major,
major stadia filling entity. I think ( to go back to the pop scene) to do
that, he'd have to appeal to all those pop-lovers out there with little
catchy, superficial numbers, that'll be played till exhaustion on all those
annoying FM stations (assuming US FM stations are overflowing with
saccharine pop -UK people out there, read Atlantic 252). He's too profound
an artist to be appreciated by the pop-following mass out there, who're too
consumed with songs that have lyrics like 'Yeah, yeah, God is good, yeah
yeah'. Know what I mean?
Carl
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: music, well I'll be...
Date: Sun, 05 May 1996 18:00:42
Message-Id: <199605052155.RAA19930@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>
>If you were to look upon my shelves you'd
>find quite a lot of sixties, seventies artists and albums
More=better, as long as there are quality standards...
- for I think as
>with all else that's good in life, they are not dependent on the time that
>they are created,
this is true...
that is, time is meaningless to them and affects them not
>one bit.
this isn't true. Time DOES effect them, but with quality pieces of
work...it's like wine. People reflect over time and that very likely leads
to changes. One person looks back and sees nostalgia--another sees naivity.
>Depeche Mode, the combination of Dace Gahan's voice and Gore's lyrics, make
>incredible music; only recently did I actually hear the gospel quality on
>Songs of Faith and Devotion
I could have written this same thing...are we living parallel lives?
>Nineties music is so damn dreadful that I fear turning on the radio;
amen, more please...
>trivia as picking peaches.
Don't get me onto songs about peaches...
'Cause I want
>music that's passionate, but I can't feel much passion with lyrics like
>"girls that dig boys that like girls"....blah blah blah whatever they sing!
You are my hero. Post to the list more, ok?
>
>It's like sex; I'd much rather have passionate sex and respect myself and
>my partner and what we're doing than laugh at myself while I'm naked and
>trying to...
yes.
I'm
>starting to think that I'm in Hollywood where values (what ever you might
>choose them to be) are no longer respected but laughed at.
yes, yes, yes.
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From: Peter Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: music, well I'll be...
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 00:07:51 +0000
Message-Id:
Usually I sit back and read all the message posted on Infected; I do this
for two simple reasons. One, I'm interested by all that's talked about by
you guys, and two, cause it's always great to logon and find that I have
email.
Anyway, seeing that there is no objective standard (as yet shown) of
aesthetic merit for music, I'll just throw in my two cents worth about
modern music and declare it true, the only truth, and let you all worry
yourselves about what I've said is correct or not.
U2's music is great; so is MJ's. If you were to look upon my shelves you'd
find quite a lot of sixties, seventies artists and albums - for I think as
with all else that's good in life, they are not dependent on the time that
they are created, that is, time is meaningless to them and affects them not
one bit.
Depeche Mode, the combination of Dace Gahan's voice and Gore's lyrics, make
incredible music; only recently did I actually hear the gospel quality on
Songs of Faith and Devotion (i'd been told it was there earlier though.)
The Pretenders, or rather Chrissie's voice, turn me on; and Leonard Cohen
does too! If you're looking for a poet there's one for you.
Nineties music is so damn dreadful that I fear turning on the radio; of
course there's some great, passionate stuff out there but I'm generalising
here on all the music that continually screams at me about such utter
trivia as picking peaches. I think that is its main downfall: the pathetic
lyrical content of so many mainstream songs- I think that the artists need
to grow up a bit, before they'll write some decent words. 'Cause I want
music that's passionate, but I can't feel much passion with lyrics like
"girls that dig boys that like girls"....blah blah blah whatever they sing!
It's like sex; I'd much rather have passionate sex and respect myself and
my partner and what we're doing than laugh at myself while I'm naked and
trying to... I think modern song writers and musicians need to take their
tongues out of their cheeks and value what they're doing a bit more. I'm
starting to think that I'm in Hollywood where values (what ever you might
choose them to be) are no longer respected but laughed at.
I had something else to say just before however it's eluded me for now.
Please converse with me friends...:)
...................................
A word of verse,
For the man who's passed,
His time, his life-
Let us remember.
...................................
Peter Bambang Love
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (la la luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: a note...
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 13:40:48
Message-Id: <199605061742.NAA10289@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
hell-o,
Just a note to say that I posted the infamous Marr interview from
Guitar magazine up on my site. He talks a bit about the members of
the The, and his work with them...
JaY
http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: just heard
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:53:40 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
i just heard on the fine '70s station in these parts "ballroom blitz," as
done by sweet. totally cheesy, but it opens with a call and response
almost identical to armageddon days. right down to the "lets gooooo!"
scream. of course, sweet is not calling for jesus and buddah, but
members of the band. but it is definitely intentional.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
"This old boy's got misery deep down in his soul.
This old world's too big, and this old world's too cold.
I'll be riding that freight train when she comes down the track,
and the next time you see me leave, I'll be flat on my back."
--hank williams
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From: Ayse Cinaroglu
To: The The
Subject: question...
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:23:35 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Hi-
I am new to this list, so bear w/ me...
Does anybody know if Steve Case (of AOL, yes) was ever related to The
The? I hope I don't sound like a dork. SOmebody recently told me
something like that, it was hard to believe, maybe it was a joke.. Can
somebody confirm?
thanks.
*******************************************************************************
ayse So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go fuck myself
You know you just can't win
Pink Floyd
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From: Raxit Ramani
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:59:29 +0300
Message-Id: <9605091159.AA15053@calliope.csi.forth.gr>
I've come across this service by accident - what a pleasant
surprise! It's good to see that this service is based in the
US rather than England. I dont really know many Americans
who've heard of the The. I got 'into' the The relatively late
(1991) mainly due to a friend who was overenthusiastic about
them in the several years preceding then. I get put off when
someone rams music down my throat and tells me it's great.
Well when I did spare the time to listen to it properly I
was hooked. Soul Mining's probably my favourite album and I
cherish the original copy I have with the free 12 inch of
'Perfect'. the The's kept me in high spirits in times of
insanity and also given me an excuse for going a bit mad
sometimes. Matt Johnson's lyrics have certainly had an effect
on me - good I think. Well I'll come to the main point of
this... Could someone tell me if Matt's got an Email address?
Thanks,
Raxit Ramani
Heraklion, Crete, Greece
Email: ramani@ics.forth.gr
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From: 3dvideo@magi.com (Rob Ferguson)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:28:36 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199605302228.SAA18166@infoweb.magi.com>
Hello,
Anybody heard any progress reports on the interactive multimedia CD-ROM
from the The? A while ago in one of those infamous interviews, Matt mentions
it. Sort of a Infected CD-ROM +++(the 90's.) For all I know it is already
out in Japan or something. Also he said there would be another AOL chat
thing, which never seemed to materialize. Lastly anybody recieved the
"newsletter" it been a while (like over a year.) Anybody who has access to
the AOL stuff, is Steve Rennie still the U.S. management, and do they
still play the same mind games at TheThexxx@aol.com?
------------------------------
From: Peter Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: you want more, I give more...
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 01:45:31 +1000
Message-Id:
To sit here and compose a letter that is profound and entertaining is not
my want; I'd like to crap on a bit about when it is that I like listening
to theThe.
If I'm alone, for one; if I'm real real horny, for two; and when I want to
stop thinking about my university thoughts, to move to another world, a
more passionate one, full of pleasures and pains, where I can live out any
fantasy that I wish.
Notwithstanding this, I really enjoy Matt's words on women and there
effects on him.
Be seeing you. My signature is for the guy I knew who was shot and killed
in Port Arthur (I just thought some of you might want to know).
...................................
A word of verse,
For the man who's passed,
His time, his life-
Let us remember.
...................................
Peter Bambang Love
------------------------------
From: John Higgs
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Hey! America!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 03:48:24 GMT
Message-Id: <199605160348.DAA01223@netcom.co.uk>
A question to you Americans out there...
I've noticed a difference of opinion about the different periods of Matt's
work. Different, that is to the 'usual' British opinion.
The general UK opinion of The The, at least with people of my age group
(early to mid 20's) is that Infected was a brilliant album, but it has all
been down- hill since. Posts on this newsgroup seem to imply that Dusk is
his finest hour, although everyone loves Soul Mining.
Is this the American opinion? Is Infected anti-american? Or is it an age
thing, a simple case of what you heard first having the strongest effect.
As they say at college, Discuss...
John
------------------------------
From: fishes in the sea
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hey! America!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 16:46:19 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199605162046.QAA20017@ns1.ptd.net>
[joh recently wrote]
>Is this the American opinion? Is Infected anti-american? Or is it an age
>thing, a simple case of what you heard first having the strongest effect.
>As they say at college, Discuss...
guess i'm just weird, then--i'm a canadian living in america whose favourite
album is _mind bomb_. :)
moby:the rain falls and the sky shudders.
he of the many nicknames:
tenderspot of the daphne, euroboy, life'sedge, moebius, ick, gregor...
euroboy@mail.prolog.net
comedy is the last refuge of the nonconformist mind.
life is a wonderful thing/when you're hummin' the words to a love song
------------------------------
From: "Adam Richard Humphreys"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hey! America!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:04:24 MST7MDT
Message-Id: <658676D4B71@wiley.nnc.edu>
I am an American (not all North American The the fans live in
Canada) whose tastes in music tend to be very anti- American.
I could name the American bands that have created tolerable music on
two hands easily, the rest are worthless. However, 'Infected' is one
of my least favorite The the albums. Keep in mind that a least
favorite The the album, in my opinion, compared to the seething
American rubbish of say Hootie and the Blowfish, is like the voice of
God. In other words, I like 'Infected' a lot. I just prefer the
deeper and more personal lyrics, as well as the darker musical moods,
that are on 'Soul Mining' and 'Dusk'. I don't agree that 'Infected'
has any more of a European feel than the others, except that 'Dusk'
does have some definite rock/blues influences, but is still a
brilliant album and, overall, still sounds like European songwriting
(whatever that means) and of course 'Hanky Panky' which is an album
of songs written by an American, songs that I don't like all that
much.
okay bye,
Adam
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From: "Woltjer, Wendy - Canton"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hey! America!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
I must agree...BBS and Infected are my absolute favourite albums. I very
rarely listen to Dusk or Mind Bomb (although I do adore a few of the trax
on each). None of MJ's later albums warrant an undivided listening
session like the early stuff, IMHO.
an inhabitant of the USA,
wendy
------------------------------
From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hey! America!
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 12:34:28 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
>Is Infected anti-american?
Sorry this cannot be too long, but I'm on a 10 min. "express
line!"
First let me state that I'm a Canadian as well, so my views will
have a Canadian slant to them.
I'd say that out of all the The albums in mainstream
circulation (ex. Soul Mining, BBS, Infected, Dusk, Mind Bomb etc...)
Infected has the most anti-American feel to it. Tunes like "Heartland"
and "Sweet Bird of Truth" (two of my all-time favourites) tend to point an
accusing finger at the American dreams of conquest and universal conformity
to American culture!
Sure you could argue that songs like "The Beat(en) Generation" and
some tunes from Mind Bomb do this as well, but I'd say that these are more
universal songs that any country or people in any country could grasp.
IMO it is these two songs give the album the anti-American
feel that you describe. It's funny how two out of eight songs can set the
whole mood for an album!
skot :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.
-King Missile
------------------------------
From: Peter Caira
To: John Higgs
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hey! America!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:28:45 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Thu, 16 May 1996, John Higgs wrote:
> A question to you Americans out there...
Okay, I'm Canadian, but I'll answer anyway...
> Is this the American opinion? Is Infected anti-american? Or is it an age
> thing, a simple case of what you heard first having the strongest effect.
> As they say at college, Discuss...
Well, I must say that I love every album for different reasons. I think
Infected was an incredible album mostly for its lyrics while Dusk is
strong in both the lyrics and music departments...not to say that
Infected isn't still musically great...
But it would seem to me that yes, Infected is a very anti-american record...
for the record, Soul Mining is my favourite album and the rest is all
tied for second...
Peter Caira
caira@server.uwindsor.ca
http://supernova.uwindsor.ca/staff/caira
Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again
------------------------------
From: Deborah A Balzhiser-Morton
To: John Higgs
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Hey! America!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:19:52 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:
On Thu, 16 May 1996, John Higgs wrote:
> A question to you Americans out there...
>
> I've noticed a difference of opinion about the different periods of Matt's
> work. Different, that is to the 'usual' British opinion.
>
> The general UK opinion of The The, at least with people of my age group
> (early to mid 20's) is that Infected was a brilliant album, but it has all
> been down- hill since. Posts on this newsgroup seem to imply that Dusk is
> his finest hour, although everyone loves Soul Mining.
>
> Is this the American opinion? Is Infected anti-american? Or is it an age
> thing, a simple case of what you heard first having the strongest effect.
> As they say at college, Discuss...
>
> John
>
I think that the "what-you-heard-first" theory is a pretty good argument,
because for my money, you can't beat Mind Bomb. Oddly enough for its
title, I don't think that Dusk is dark enough, but I still think its a
great album. I can understand the argument for Infected, but the music
isn't as good as Mind Bomb in my opinion.
Pat
------------------------------
From: tpoltora@mobility.com (Poltoranos, Ted)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu (Infected)
Subject: Infected vs. The World
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:16:31 -0500
Message-Id: <1996May16.111515.1540.42482@mailgate02.mobility.com>
I offer the following in response to Mr. Higgs' request to discuss Infected.
First, I am Canadian, not American (yes, Europe-folk, there is a
difference). In terms of musical tastes, I definitely consider myself more
British than American, so maybe its not surprising that I share the "British
view". From the moment I first heard Infected, I thought it was the most
brilliant piece of music ever published. In the last few years, after much
careful review, my opinion has changed slightly, in that I now feel that
Soul Mining is just as good (the better one is the one I listened to most
recently!). Mind Bomb is brilliant (although not at the same level as the
earlier two), and Dusk is a great album, but by far The The's weakest effort
(I'm not considering Solitude, Hanky Panky or Burning Blue Soul as they are
"special" albums). My friend's (who include The The fans as well as
worshippers) tend to like Soul Mining best, followed by Infected ... so
maybe Canadians have more in common with the Brits than the Americans?
Although I enjoyed the singles from Soul Mining when they were released, I
didn't fully appreciate the true brilliance of The The until I heard
Infected, so maybe the "whatever you heard first" hypothesis has some
validity?
I always thought it was an age thing. I think I was more musically
impressionable when I was in my early twenties, and therefore Soul Mining
and Infected had a bigger effect on me. On a similar note, in my humble
opinion, music in general was much better from 1979-1986 than it is today,
so maybe my preference for The The's earlier efforts has something to do
with the influence that the 'music of the day' had on Matt when He wrote
Soul Mining and Infected?
I remain,
Amused and confused,
by life's little ironies.
Ted
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: the The
Subject: Hey! America?
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:36:18 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
I too am an American (kinda sounds like an intro at an Alcoholics
Anonymous meeting)... however, I do not have as low an opinion of
American bands, mainly because I feel that the best ones are the ones we
will not hear. This is due to the American music industry defining music
in such a manner as to deny cross-over appeal (of course, this is a grand
over-generalization, but what else are Americans good for?), whereas in
Europe (at least my experience 10 years ago) there is more of an
experimental attitude towards music, as heard on radio stations. This
difference might just reflect America's ability to commodify everything
possible, but I believe this is the basis for the perceived European/
American split on Infected's popularity as an album, because Infected
seems to incorporate more (I hesitate to say) "disco/dance" influences
than do the other albums. Because tT's US fan base might be more
"alternative" (a nice self-appellation), there might be less of an
appreciation for music that isn't good for anything but self-flagellation.
(sorry, that may be uncalled for, but what the heck ;'/ )
As far as American tT fans not appreciating Infected because of a presumed
anti-American stance in two of the songs, I tend to see Mind Bomb as
holding a more critical stance towards America. In addition, I believe,
that on the whole, Americans actually thrive on abuse, whether self-abuse
or in coming from other nations. Of late, there is more of a tendency to
commemorate our losses or abuses of others, as opposed to our victories
(i.e. the Vietnam Memorial and the Korean War memorials are both really
depressing, and the commemoration of Martin Luther King Jr. in a national
holiday reminds us of an abuse by a decidedly small group of rich white
men in the south, as well as ongoing racial troubles... something which
is not peculiar to just the U.S.). Further, I would have to state that
while there is a lot of bad in the U.S. (such as the market economy which
leads to high quality bands such as tT not getting deserved airplay)
there is also a lot of good here. But enough proseletyzing... my
favorite tT albums, in order.
1> Infected (I heard it first, but still listen to it most mainly due to the
first and last songs).
2> Soul Mining (who needs Plato and Aristotle?)
3> BBS (industrial ten years before NIN)
4> Hanky Panky (Hank Williams might of written it, but it sounds best
coming from MJ)
5> Dusk (a great thematic album ruined by the strategic placement of the
"radio-friendly" single Dogs of Lust-- would have been #3)
6> Mind Bomb (I had the same problem with "Beat(en) Generation"... too
"poppy"; that and overplay have reduced my enjoyment... but I still
listen to it 3-5x a week).
Of course, what do I know? I just listen for the joy of it.
Good weekend y'all.
Patrick Stewart
------------------------------
From: Superfly TNT
To: the The
Subject: Dogs of Lust DBL-CD Pack
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 14:13:17 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
Hi... I just got a "Limited Edition individually numbered double CD pack
containing part 1 of a 2 part collection featuring THE VIOLENCE OF TRUTH
(REMIX) AND INFECTED (LIVE)"... now I was wondering how available is the
second CD of this pack?... the Dogs of Lust track is the album version,
the remix of The Violence of Truth can be found on "Solitude" and the
Live version of Infected was recorded in July 1990 at the Royal Albert
Hall in London... the second CD professes to have JEALOUS OF YOUTH
(LIVE), ARMAGEDDON DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN (DNA REMIX) AND BEYOND LOVE
(LIVE)... the package can hold two CD's with the case opening at the front
and at the back... so does anyone know about the availability of the 2nd
cd?... I'd like to fill up this CD case because, well, because it would
look cool!...
by the way, just for the record, I'm a Canadian too... and I heard all
the the The albums in the order of their release except for Burning Blue
Soul which I heard after Dusk when it was re-released... but Dusk, to
me, is still the strongest album... BBS, Soul Mining and Infected are great
but they all sound dated... Mind Bomb to me is the album that has the least
cohesiveness to me in terms of the album having one unifying theme...
Dusk is the album that is destined to be timeless because like someone
else said, its straight rock n' roll and blues along with Matt's
wonderful lyrics...
one more thing... in the new Rage Against the Machine CD liner notes, the
band gave thanks to a Matt Johnson... YOU THINK????...
ok... just one more thing... to the guy who said all the great music came
between '79 and '86, I will agree with you only half-heartedly.... I mean,
there was the great punk scene, and after that, there was wonderful pop
coming from Britain (The Cure, The Smiths, Depeche Mode, etc.) and
the American post-punk scene (Husker Du, The Replacements, The Minutemen,
etc.) as well but I don't think you should overlook the early 90's... I
know Grunge is a dirty word these days but an incredibly thriving
independent scene has emerged from Nirvana's success...
seeya...
Yan
NP: Closed e.p. - jale
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: Superfly TNT
Cc: the The
Subject: Re: Dogs of Lust DBL-CD Pack
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:38:27 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
I found your duce, the second part of dogs of lust limited double pack,
is at the tower records in London( they had hordes of part 2), also at my
local used cd shop. Part 2 is preferably better because of the DNA remix
which I play endlessly.I also continue to store it in its original case.
I'm not about to throw away a perfectly good jewel case and sleeve
simply because the recording market will think I think its cool.To be
complety honest, I hold on to the second case because it makes my the the
collection appear more impressive( sad really) Besides,I would have
bought it for the other songs anyway.Since London may be slightly out of
your way, and If you'd like, I could check and see if part 2 is still
available at that used cd shop I mentioned, but I can't make any
promises. cheers,cheers and mega beers, Ryan
------------------------------
From: paul
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Cold Spell Ahead
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:07:49 GMT
Message-Id: <29@simonspr.demon.co.uk>
Infected is my favourite The The album as well. I think
you had to experience the Thatcher Government of the 80s
to understand MJ's disappointment which comes out as
"anti-Amercan" on Infected with the cruise missiles being allowed
on UK soil, the prevailing dog eat dog yuppie everybody for themself
attitude, the middle east wars which were about to erupt. MJ
wanted Sweet Bird of Truth to be released the very day that
American pilots bombed Libya in the 80s...CBS declined!
It's interesting to hear the evolution of "Uncertain Smile". I've
hear the original 12" version which contains a flute riff instead
of guitar and also the re-released "Cold Spell Ahead" (1981) which starts
off like "Uncertain Smile" and then switches as if two songs have
been glued together. The second part of which contains an excllent
MJ twisted cliche "I took a walk in the forest but the harder I
looked I could not see the trees for the wood". How many other
songs does MJ twist a well known saying or cliche around?
Mark
England
Mark@simonspr.demon.co.uk
- --
------------------------------
From: uthelene@ix.netcom.com (aka Wavequeen the Sharkless Girl)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: Hey! America!
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:21:42 -0700
Message-Id: <199605200221.TAA09979@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com>
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
From: John Higgs
Subject: Hey! America!
Status: U
A question to you Americans out there...
I've noticed a difference of opinion about the different periods of
Matt's
work. Different, that is to the 'usual' British opinion.
The general UK opinion of The The, at least with people of my age group
(early to mid 20's) is that Infected was a brilliant album, but it has
all
been down- hill since. Posts on this newsgroup seem to imply that Dusk
is
his finest hour, although everyone loves Soul Mining.
Is this the American opinion? Is Infected anti-american? Or is it an
age
thing, a simple case of what you heard first having the strongest
effect.
As they say at college, Discuss...
John
this american thinks infected is great, still my favorite. I was
disappointed with Mind Bomb because I first only heard the single,
Beat(en) Generation which I hated at first but now appreciate.
I definitely appreciate Dusk, I heard it once and loved it. But I see
Dusk as very much a different Matt, after all life looks different at
30 than at 20.
euthelene
------------------------------
From: enichol@ALPHA2.CURTIN.EDU.AU
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Cc: enichol
Subject: The The Live Tapes
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:31:56 +0000 (WST)
Message-id:
Hello,
I'm interested in any The The live tapes, especially any audience tapes
(of any quality), and the more rarer radio broadcasts. I'm willing to
trade, though have no The The. Anyone interested, please contact me, that
would be greatly appreciated. My list is on the net at :
http://student.curtin.edu.au/~efrencham/boot.html
Or I can mail it to you...
Thanks - Mike Frencham
ENichol@cc.curtin.edu.au
EFrencham@cc.curtin.edu.au
------------------------------
From: enichol@ALPHA2.CURTIN.EDU.AU
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The Live Tapes
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 11:42:44 +0000 (WST)
Message-id:
I mailed this before with no replies, so I'll try again - Mike
Hello,
I'm interested in any The The live tapes, especially any audience tapes
(of any quality), and the more rarer radio broadcasts. I'm willing to
trade, though have no The The. Anyone interested, please contact me, that
would be greatly appreciated. My list is on the net at :
http://student.curtin.edu.au/~efrencham/boot.html
Or I can mail it to you...
Thanks - Mike Frencham
ENichol@cc.curtin.edu.au
EFrencham@cc.curtin.edu.au
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:36:47
Message-Id: <199605202232.SAA22497@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
DEAR infected people,
Unlike most fan groups/clubs/mailing lists, we ALL KNOW the question to:
"who's the biggest the The fan." It's obvious, it's really unquestionable,
it's a god given title...bestowed upon his royal highness, Dave Hirsch.
Now that this point is out of the way, I'll get to my message.
Let's all get together and do something for this legend; the mythical D.H.
I propose we use our contacts and friends (ie I work at a radio station) and
get Dave's name listed in the next the The album's sleeve. Under "crazy
insane fans" maybe. I'm really not kidding here, as he deserves it and i'd
simply like to see if it could be done.
The first step: people's ideas on how to go about this.
The second step: involves bugging the hell out of music industry people
Is thethexxx still on the list? Can they help?
Tell me what you think...
JaY
***************************************************************************
ALL NEW>>>>>>>http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
....more than you'll....ever....know.
***************************************************************************
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:30:37 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960521002111.22b759b2@haven.uniserve.com>
Why? it seems kinda rediculous to get his name on an album sleeve just
because he is a big fan? what would be the point? why bother? I hope i don't
offend anyone, but it sounds like the only reason is "too be cool".
richard
At 06:36 PM 5/20/96, you wrote:
>DEAR infected people,
>
>Unlike most fan groups/clubs/mailing lists, we ALL KNOW the question to:
>"who's the biggest the The fan." It's obvious, it's really unquestionable,
>it's a god given title...bestowed upon his royal highness, Dave Hirsch.
>
>Now that this point is out of the way, I'll get to my message.
>
>Let's all get together and do something for this legend; the mythical D.H.
>
>I propose we use our contacts and friends (ie I work at a radio station) and
>get Dave's name listed in the next the The album's sleeve. Under "crazy
>insane fans" maybe. I'm really not kidding here, as he deserves it and i'd
>simply like to see if it could be done.
>
>The first step: people's ideas on how to go about this.
>The second step: involves bugging the hell out of music industry people
>
>Is thethexxx still on the list? Can they help?
>
>Tell me what you think...
>
>
>JaY
>
>
>
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>
>
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From: Jan Wirken
To: Richard
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:26:52 +0200 (MET DST)
Message-Id:
Is every credit given to make somebody look cool?
I think not.
Why not give DH some credit for what he has done for keeping
the band alive since MJ fails in doing so.
He gives us nice information and starts up interesting discussions. I do
not doubt MJ too reads this all.
He sure wants to know how his fans think.
If he was on the list ones in a while we would give him credit for doing so.
It is fun to c what can be done and what reaction we will get.
But honestly, it wouldn't suprise me if we don't hear from it from the
record company, MJ or some manager or so.
I am a bit dissapointed in the bands interest in the fans.
But then again, he give us his music and thoughts.
Lets give MJ a reason for at least think about it.
I think DH's contribution to this list which MJ reads and the discussions
that evolve do not form a bad start for c.v.
Jan Wirken
Rotterdam
The Netherlands (am i the only one in the Netherlands on the list,
come on...)
On Tue, 21 May 1996, Richard wrote:
> Why? it seems kinda rediculous to get his name on an album sleeve just
> because he is a big fan? what would be the point? why bother? I hope i don't
> offend anyone, but it sounds like the only reason is "too be cool".
>
> richard
>
> At 06:36 PM 5/20/96, you wrote:
> >DEAR infected people,
> >
> >Unlike most fan groups/clubs/mailing lists, we ALL KNOW the question to:
> >"who's the biggest the The fan." It's obvious, it's really unquestionable,
> >it's a god given title...bestowed upon his royal highness, Dave Hirsch.
> >
> >Now that this point is out of the way, I'll get to my message.
> >
> >Let's all get together and do something for this legend; the mythical D.H.
> >
> >I propose we use our contacts and friends (ie I work at a radio station) and
> >get Dave's name listed in the next the The album's sleeve. Under "crazy
> >insane fans" maybe. I'm really not kidding here, as he deserves it and i'd
> >simply like to see if it could be done.
> >
> >The first step: people's ideas on how to go about this.
> >The second step: involves bugging the hell out of music industry people
> >
> >Is thethexxx still on the list? Can they help?
> >
> >Tell me what you think...
> >
> >
> >JaY
> >
> >
> >
> >***************************************************************************
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> >....more than you'll....ever....know.
> >***************************************************************************
> >
> >
> "Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
>
>
> -- Richard Baer --
>
>
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:53:31 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960522004404.23e76e06@haven.uniserve.com>
My message has gotten taken way to personally, i didn't mean for anyone to
take my argument as an ad-hominem. And i certianly didn't mean ANY offence
to Dave, after all, any fan of The The must be cool. To me the idea just
sounded pointless, thats all. I"m sure it will take care of itself.
richard
At 07:25 PM 5/21/96, you wrote:
>
>
>People don't like to be around negative f*ckheads like yourself. I'm sure
>this problem will take care of itself. And how could you do this to such a
>warm, delightful person like Dave?
>
>JaY
>
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>
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
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From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Re: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:57:15 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960522144746.22df60aa@haven.uniserve.com>
I agree, i think caling me a f*ckhead was going a bit far for expressing an
opinion.
richard
At 05:44 PM 5/22/96 GMT, you wrote:
>
>No offence was taken by your view by me. What was offensive
>was somebody calling you "a f**head". You're entitled to
>your opinion.
>
>Regards
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>In your message dated Wednesday 22, May 1996 you wrote :
>> My message has gotten taken way to personally, i didn't
>mean for anyone to
>> take my argument as an ad-hominem. And i certianly didn't
>mean ANY offence
>> to Dave, after all, any fan of The The must be cool. To me
>the idea just
>> sounded pointless, thats all. I"m sure it will take care
>of itself.
>>
>> richard
>>
>> At 07:25 PM 5/21/96, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >People don't like to be around negative f*ckheads like
>yourself. I'm sure
>> >this problem will take care of itself. And how could you
>do this to such a
>> >warm, delightful person like Dave?
>> >
>> >JaY
>> >
>>
>>***********************************************************
>****************
>> >ALL NEW>>>>>>>http://members.gnn.com/luster/luster.htm
>> >....more than you'll....ever....know.
>>
>>***********************************************************
>****************
>> >
>> >
>> "Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
>>
>>
>> -- Richard Baer --
>>
>>
>
>--
>
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:25:48
Message-Id: <199605212321.TAA25890@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>
>Why? it seems kinda rediculous to get his name on an album sleeve just
>because he is a big fan? what would be the point? why bother? I hope i
> don't
>offend anyone, but it sounds like the only reason is "too be cool".
>
>richard
People don't like to be around negative f*ckheads like yourself. I'm sure
this problem will take care of itself. And how could you do this to such a
warm, delightful person like Dave?
JaY
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: it's soooo obvious!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:12:59
Message-Id: <199605240408.AAA16880@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>> I thought to myself: why not liven the list up, piss this jerk off, and
> give
>> Dave a lil shit (as he likes so much)?
>
>> So, who is telling the list?
>
>i thought to myself: why not liven the list up, make everyone happy,
>and let jay tell the list? ;)
>go for it!
>
>behfar
OK, I'm telling the list. Those messages were from me, not Dave.
That guy is a jerk though...
JaY
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Cc: ask@iastate.edu
Subject: FYI
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:30:11
Message-Id: <199605220425.AAA21980@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
FYI,
The MarrWeb section of my site is now up and running.
It's fairly extensive...so check it out!
JaY
http://members.gnn.com/luster/Iknow.htm
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From: Dave Hirsch
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: f*ckheads
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:39:06 -0700
Message-ID: <31A3CFCA.750A@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
>
>I agree, i think caling me a f*ckhead was going a bit far for expressing an
>opinion.
>
>richard
I've known Jay for years...he's normaly not like that. My guess is that
you really are a f*ckhead. Actually, I think you're all f*ckheads! (but
espcially "dick."
Sir Dave Hirsch
Spanish Johnny drove in from the underworld last night,
with bruised arms and broken rhythm and a beat-up old Buick,
but dressed just like dynamite.
He tried sellin' his heart to the hard girls over on Easy Street.
But they said, "Johnny, it falls apart so easy
and you know hearts these days are cheap."
--bruce springsteen
------------------------------
From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: f*ckheads
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:06:18 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960522185649.23ff47ee@haven.uniserve.com>
Ok, let me get this totaly figured out. I state an opinion with no malicious
intentions, just an opinion, Jay calls me a f*ckhead on the basis of my
opinion beacuse he disagree's, i retort by saying i meant no offence to dave
and that he is probably a cool guy and it was just my opinion, and now dave
thinks i truely am f*ckhead for no apparent reason beyond the fact that Jay,
dave's friend, beleives me to be one. Ok, i can see i am clearily dealing
with very intelligent The The listeners (this if i have the story straight,
if i do not then i apologize for presuming or getting the story mixed up),
soooo intelligent they are capable of being completely bias and judgeing an
entire person on the basis of a single opinion.
I really lthink this argument should be dropped, My deepest apologies to all
mailing list readers, sorry to fill your mailboxes with this stupid
misunderstanding.
richard
At 07:39 PM 5/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>I agree, i think caling me a f*ckhead was going a bit far for expressing an
>>opinion.
>>
>>richard
>
>I've known Jay for years...he's normaly not like that. My guess is that
>you really are a f*ckhead. Actually, I think you're all f*ckheads! (but
>espcially "dick."
>
>Sir Dave Hirsch
>
>Spanish Johnny drove in from the underworld last night,
>with bruised arms and broken rhythm and a beat-up old Buick,
>but dressed just like dynamite.
>He tried sellin' his heart to the hard girls over on Easy Street.
>But they said, "Johnny, it falls apart so easy
>and you know hearts these days are cheap."
>
> --bruce springsteen
>
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
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From: psj@re.dk
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:f*ckheads
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:04:37 +0200
Message-Id: <199605230907.AA14220@ic1.ic.dk>
Listen, Richard, Jay Dave & Co. Relax, you're not f*ckheads. More like=20
common or garden d*ckheads.
H. Himmler
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From: Patrick Stewart
To: psj@re.dk
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:f*ckheads
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:43:06 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
>
> Listen, Richard, Jay Dave & Co. Relax, you're not f*ckheads. More like
> common or garden d*ckheads.
> H. Himmler
(cool name- was it your parent's first choice?)
>
Actually, I'm thinking that this is another one of those spoofs to try to
rouse interest- like last year's Smith's vs. the The blow up... at least
I'm hoping that the flames emanating from my computer screen are not so
ill-advised (come on, it's not as if there was an actual argument with
axioms et cetera).
Patrick Stewart
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Re: f*ckheads
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:00:58 -0700
Message-ID: <31A3FF1A.3A8B@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
>Ok, let me get this totaly figured out. I state an opinion with no
> malicious
>intentions, just an opinion, Jay calls me a f*ckhead on the basis of my
>opinion beacuse he disagree's
No. He said that because you were damn rude.
, i retort by saying i meant no offence to
> dave
>and that he is probably a cool guy and it was just my opinion, and now dave
>thinks i truely am f*ckhead for no apparent reason beyond the fact that
> Jay,
>dave's friend, beleives me to be one.
Jay's got nothing to do with this. I can see for myself you're a
f*ckhead.
Ok, i can see i am clearily dealing
>with very intelligent The The listeners
Yes. That's why we don't like you.
Jay has done so much for this list--you really should apologize to him.
I agree, this thread should stop, but you are still a f*uckhead!
Dave
Spanish Johnny drove in from the underworld last night,
with bruised arms and broken rhythm and a beat-up old Buick,
but dressed just like dynamite.
He tried sellin' his heart to the hard girls over on Easy Street.
But they said, "Johnny, it falls apart so easy
and you know hearts these days are cheap."
--bruce springsteen
------------------------------
From: Emiko E Cowell
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: who called who what
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 22:08:37 +1300
Message-id: <01I53LAVXJRMFPM0NP@rivendell.otago.ac.nz>
What a load of petty shit this list has become! To all those involved in this
ridiculous name-calling and who is a bigger fan, go and squabble elsewhere.
Its all a big yawn to the rest of us.
Now--I would like to know what MJ is up to at the mo. Does anyone know?
Can anyone tell me?
Thanks.
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From: "Paul Spiers"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: who called who what
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 21:56:56 +0000
Message-Id: <199605242214.WAA06653@mail.enterprise.net>
> From: Emiko E Cowell
> Now--I would like to know what MJ is up to at the mo. Does anyone know?
> Can anyone tell me?
> Thanks.
>
The last I heard from my brother in London was that he spotted Matt
in the Stonemasons Arms (Pub) playing the bar football game and
demanding to be Manchester United.
Paul
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From: "Marketing and P.R."
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The of course
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 17:55:19 -0700
Message-ID: <31A65A77.1251@maltanet.omnes.net>
Hi there...
Just wanted to greet fellow The The fans around the world. Matt is
definitely one of the gods of indie and a genius in his own way. Looking
forward to his next work, so if anyone knows anything about it, let me
know, OK?
Respect to all
Mike
MALTA
AMPR@maltanet.omnes.net
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: it's funny how...
Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 19:24:05 +0100 (BST)
Message-Id: <199605261824.TAA11208@GPO.iol.ie>
Hello All,
This computer of mine decided to break down, so after a three week absence
I'm back on-line.... I'm sure you all REALLY noticed I was gone (with the
lack of stimulating and intellectual meditations.....ahem)
Anyway, I was just reading in a Smiths biog. that in c.1981, Mr Matt Johnson
invited Sir J. Marr to join the The. But owing to the fact that Johnny was
in Manchester and Matt in London, it wasn't considered practical, so it
never came about. That is, until 7 years later.
Funny how it turns out; the The might have been wholly different and the
Smiths would never have come about.
au revoir,
Carl.
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From: Bill Jost
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Web page and Interviews
Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 15:06:36 -0400
Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960526190636.006bd1e4@email.psu.edu>
Hello all :)
I've typed in a couple of interviews.... I have them posted on my web site
(which has moved to a temporary location).
http://pages.prodigy.com/FFFJ74B/thethe.htm
The 'FFFJ74B' MUST be in caps :( I am still working on a the The faq, but I
just haven't had the time lately to do much work on it, so the version that
is up on the web site is a fairly old version.
The interviews are both from 1993 and they come from magazines called
'Details' and 'Ray Gun.' Enjoy.
Bill (wajost@psu.edu)
- --The thing with politicians is I wouldn't have suspicions
if I saw their worst positions and their Ugly Underneath -- XTC
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From: "Sean Kennedy"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:33:44 +1200
Message-ID: <4343D5F0A43@trimble.co.nz>
> Anyone else notice how The The has been recently portrayed in movies:
> Threesome, Judge Dredd, Empire Records? Interesting
Yeah - although the ten seconds of very background 'That was the
day' in threesome isn't much!! Not really worth quoting on the CD
cover for Solitude as was done here in New Zealand.
Sean
------------------------------
From: Richard
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Empire Records
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 19:47:32 -0800
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960529193742.282f2272@haven.uniserve.com>
Its quiet. Has anyone had the misfortune to watch the horrid movie called
"empire records"? God its bad, but anyways, at the end of the movie "This is
the day" is played for a good long minute in the forground. I was rather
impressed, but don't bother renting the movie on this basis, not even
listening to The The makes up for how bad the movie is.
ANyone else notice how The The has been recently portrayed in movies:
Threesome, Judge Dredd, Empire Records? Interesting
"Join Hands...Bake Phallic Cake"
-- Richard Baer --
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From: TEKNOJIHAD
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 10:25:46 -0700
Message-Id: <199605301725.KAA10991@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>
> ANyone else notice how The The has been recently portrayed in movies:
> Threesome, Judge Dredd, Empire Records? Interesting
unfortunately- my roommate likes eMpTyV, and so it sometimes gets left on
during the day. Suprisingly enough, in their beach-game-shows the background
music is often from dusk or soulmining- more often than the crap that usually
gets played (Coolio/ etc). not only that- beavis and butthead have showed 2
videos by the The.
crazy.
jim
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:45:58 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199605301845.NAA02709@lily.cs.uchicago.edu>
the respected and revered jihad@chop.ugcs.caltech.edu spake thusly:
> gets played (Coolio/ etc). not only that- beavis and butthead have showed 2
> videos by the The.
were they cool or did they suck?
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From: TEKNOJIHAD
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:22:24 -0700
Message-Id: <199605301922.MAA16848@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>
> the respected and revered jihad@chop.ugcs.caltech.edu spake thusly:
>
> > gets played (Coolio/ etc). not only that- beavis and butthead have showed 2
> > videos by the The.
>
> were they cool or did they suck?
beavis and butthead talked about other stuff. for example, in I_saw_the_light,
the The is on the top of the empire state building, and beavis said "hey, he's
cool, heh heh heh, he's on the top of the building" to which butthead replied
something about faking it, and beavis said "heh heh you said faking it heh heh"
and so on. but they did show 75% of the video, which was cool.
jim
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From: luster@gnn.com (JaY)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 16:58:06
Message-Id: <199605302102.RAA21997@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
not only that- beavis and butthead have showed 2
>videos by the The.
which videos? Which episodes?
JaY
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From: "C.O' Brien"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:47:34 GMT
Message-Id: <199605302147.VAA09436@GPO.iol.ie>
At 10:25 30/05/96 -0700, jim wrote:
>unfortunately- my roommate likes eMpTyV, and so it sometimes gets left on
>during the day. Suprisingly enough, in their beach-game-shows the background
>music is often from dusk or soulmining- more often than the crap that usually
>gets played (Coolio/ etc). not only that- beavis and butthead have showed 2
>videos by the The.
Funnily enough, in Britain on 'Sky' (another of Rupert Murdoch's tv
stations) they often play soccer highlights to the backing of Uncertain Smile.
Unusual.
BTW, Seeing as we're talking about movies, or at least we were:
I see that Tim Pope has made his first full length movie, or is filming it
at the moment.... 'The Crow Part II', it's called, methinks.... okay, that
was very vaguely The the related.
Seeing as I'm writing from Ireland, it will probably take about a decade to
cross the Atlantic and come into the cinemas here... for instance, I saw
this great new film the other day straight over from the U.S - Gone With The
Wind, I think it was called... ;-)
Regards,
Scarlet.
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From: TEKNOJIHAD
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:51:33 -0700
Message-Id: <199605311751.KAA13612@envy.ugcs.caltech.edu>
> > not only that- beavis and butthead have showed 2
> >videos by the The.
>
> which videos? Which episodes?
>
> JaY
the format of beavis and butthead is 2 "shorts" interspersed with
"videos" (+commentary by b&b) i originally thought that they always
kept the same videos with the same episodes, but i noticed in one episode
that it was a different video between the first and second time.
my whole rambling point being- i don't know which episodes.
the videos: I saw the light (filmed "on top of the empire state building"
actually just effects. for those of you who have seen the 10,000 maniacs
video _these are the days_ (or maybe it was candy everyone wants) it was
the same concrete statue of a bird head that matt was standing on) and
Infected (y'all know this video)
jim
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From: "Sean Kennedy"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:45:54 +1200
Message-ID: <447725F723C@trimble.co.nz>
> BTW, Seeing as we're talking about movies, or at least we were:
>
> I see that Tim Pope has made his first full length movie, or is filming it
> at the moment.... 'The Crow Part II', it's called, methinks.... okay, that
> was very vaguely The the related.
http://www.islandnet.com/~corona/films/details/crow2.html
Mentions the Cure - maybe Matt will be asked for some input too...
Sean
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From: Genepool@aol.com
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Empire Records
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 10:26:48 -0400
Message-ID: <960531102648_546417393@emout18.mail.aol.com>
<<> gets played (Coolio/ etc). not only that- beavis and butthead have showed
2
> videos by the The.
were they cool or did they suck?
They did a pretty good joke on a Souxsie and the Banshee's video. Butthead
said something like "this is music for people that have no friends".
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Ryan E. Wick
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 00:23:24
Message-Id: <199605310418.AAA32679@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
>Was BBS a flop or just misunderstood?
both?
Can anyone out there say that its
>their personal favorite.
well no, but i like it a lot.
>me to my next question, does anyone like the intrumentals?
love them.
Has anyone
>heard the epic track" scenes from artic twilight" and if so do you
>prefer it to their/his earlier instrumentals?
I'd say it's up there...but not the best.
>but I won't be playing any of them at my parties any time soon.
I'm sure that's not what matt intended for them. I've heard though, only on
special occassions, Dave will play them at his groovin parties. They are
famous ya know...
I'm still trying to figure this one out:
which came first super fan dave or the The?
Because, frankly, I can't fathom the time either did not exist.
JaY
"load...aim....fire"
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Ryan E. Wick
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:45:25 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199605310345.WAA03184@lily.cs.uchicago.edu>
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
Subject: Re: the the subscription
May I be so bold as to submit the suggestion of having an
indepth overview/survey on the history of THE THE through their/his
albums beginning with Burning Blue Soul. I'm intrested to know what
people honestly think of this debut, I remember that it didn't seem to
take too long before I saw it on the shelves of my local used cd stores.
Was BBS a flop or just misunderstood? Can anyone out there say that its
their personal favorite. I haven't popped in my box for months on end
because, quite frankly, I just don't get it. BBS is MJ's only album that I
have to program to skip certain songs i.e. the instrumentals, which leads
me to my next question, does anyone like the intrumentals? Has anyone
heard the epic track" scenes from artic twilight" and if so do you
prefer it to their/his earlier instrumentals? I for one can appreciate them,
but I won't be playing any of them at my parties any time soon. Perhaps
those songs are best reserved for a lonely night, like looking through
akward, old pictures that were easliy forgotten and will be again. > >
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From: John
To: "The\2 posting Address"
Subject: BBS
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 04:00:00 -0400
Message-Id: <31AEA700.30B8@vermontel.com>
Hiya:)
please be gentle... it's my first time!
in response to:
>Was BBS a flop or just misunderstood? Can anyone out there say that its
>their personal favorite. I haven't popped in my box for months on end
>because, quite frankly, I just don't get it. BBS is MJ's only album
>that I have to program to skip certain songs i.e. the instrumentals.
I gotta say that BBS is my most favorite of all of them! myself, and
many of my friends listen to it all the time - it's probably picked (out
of Tē selections) 90% of the time!
I also happen to enjoy the instrumentals too - the noise one gets to me
sometime tho...
seeya'bye...
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From: bickertonj@which.co.uk (conversing discreetly)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: BBS
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:32:22 +0100
Message-Id: <96053109322212@mozart.which.co.uk>
Hi,
I got BBS when it was re-released with the non-eye Matt Johnson fuzzy hair
cover. I was really impressed by it then and still am now. The songs all have a
pretty unique feel about them - the instrumentals are either ambient ponderings
in the vien of Aphex Twin/Future Sound of London/The Orb a number of years
before them, and/or industrial tinged 'scarey' sounding tunes which really hit
where they're aimed. Pretty damn experimental for a debut release, I'm sure it
influenced a lot of people. The lyrics, and arrangements throughout heighten
the intensity of the record. It's definately not one for party listening,
Jake.
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: not the empire state building
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:22:35 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
i believe that it is a building in chicago, but i know it isn't the
empire state. and according to matt's management company, yes it really
was filmed up there with special shoes to prevent him from falling off.
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He sold most of what he cherished, the rest he let them steal.
Shot his dog out in the open field, the rest he let them steal.
He broke all of his promises, under a sea green sky.
They never thought to ask him why, under a sea green sky.
---cowboy junkies.
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From: "Vickie Ellis"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not the empire state building
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:50:58 EST5EDT
Message-ID: <129EEAE3537@titan.cc.emory.edu>
It's the Chrysler Building, Matt said in an interview he's always
been fascinated by that one . He did have
specially made construction boots with suckers on the bottom, but
didnt count on ice being up there. If youve 'seen the light' video,
you can see him slip - yikes!
p.s. anyone have that screen-saver? actually does anyone want it, i
bought 2 for some reason..
Vickie
On Fri, 31 May 1996, the The Guru: David B. Hirsch wrote:
>
> i believe that it is a building in chicago, but i know it isn't the
> empire state. and according to matt's management company, yes it really
> was filmed up there with special shoes to prevent him from falling off.
>
Special shoes and PLENTY of mild sedatives. Matt mentioned that
he is VERY afraid of heights and doing the whole video shoot scared the
piss out of him. (Got that from an interview on MuchMusic -- Canada's
version of MTV)
Cheers,
S.B. :)
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I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.
-King Missile
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths...luster)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not the empire state building
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 22:33:59
Message-Id: <199606010229.WAA15406@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
> (Got that from an interview on MuchMusic -- Canada's
>version of MTV)
and you want to transcribe that for the rest of us, right?
JaY
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From: "Stephen J. Smith"
To: "the The"
Subject: Re: not the empire state building
Date: Fri, 31 May 96 23:02:15
Message-Id: <9606010300.AA0500@bbs.os2bbs.com>
On Fri, 31 May 1996 19:50:58 EST5EDT, Vickie Ellis wrote:
> It's the Chrysler Building, Matt said in an interview he's always
>been fascinated by that one .
Has anyone seen a recent television ad for Fidelity Investments?
I've seen it a couple of times here in Virginia and for a second or
two there's a person walking on the Chrysler Building gargoyles. Is
this Mr. Johnson? Is it a scene taken from his video? Or are there
lots of people willing to go out walking on those things? (I've been
hoping to get the ad on tape to check it out more closely, but I
haven't had any luck.)
- -Steve
- -- Stephen J. Smith sjsmith@mail.os2bbs.com --
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: not the empire state building
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:09:26 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:
On Fri, 31 May 1996, the The Guru: David B. Hirsch wrote:
>
> i believe that it is a building in chicago, but i know it isn't the
> empire state. and according to matt's management company, yes it really
> was filmed up there with special shoes to prevent him from falling off.
>
Special shoes and PLENTY of mild sedatives. Matt mentioned that
he is VERY afraid of heights and doing the whole video shoot scared the
piss out of him. (Got that from an interview on MuchMusic -- Canada's
version of MTV)
Cheers,
S.B. :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people.
-King Missile
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: decoder
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
i got my hands on the decoder soundtrack cd i was excited about a few
weeks ago. from 1982, features "Three Orange Kisses From Kazan," by the
the, which can be found on the uncertain smile 12" and the soul mining
british cassette, and maybe some other places.
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He sold most of what he cherished, the rest he let them steal.
Shot his dog out in the open field, the rest he let them steal.
He broke all of his promises, under a sea green sky.
They never thought to ask him why, under a sea green sky.
---cowboy junkies.
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