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From: Joonas Virtasalo
Sender: Joonas Virtasalo
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Lineup
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:02:53 +0300 (EET DST)
Message-ID:
On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, pooteeweet? wrote:
> What the hell? Where's Johnny Marr?! Is he leaving for that Electronic crap?
> And NO HARP?
If you haven't noticed, TheThe is changing it's style on every album.
So, It shouldn't be a surprice, if the new album was different from
the others.
As mentioned, the new TheThe will be rougher in style than before. And if
anyone asked me, I'd say that harmonica wouldn't suit rought style
(whatever that is) TheThe very well.
About Johnny Marr I'd say: "He is a hell of a guitarist, but I couldn't
imagine him playing punkish rock'n'roll, what I quess the new album will
be. A style thing."
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From: lee harvey fnordwald
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marr??
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 07:23:30 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Vonn F. Campbell wrote:
>
> Since Marr is leaving the The,
> what does he (Marr) have planned for himself in the near future?
>
> Vonn "Devo"
i think that he and barney are considering a smallish
tour in support of their new record 'raise the pressure'.
please, any marrheads on the list, fwd. any info you may
have on this to me or to the list proper, as i've been
an obscessed smiths fan for more than 10 years, and
have yet to see marr live.
was anyone else disappointed a bit to find that marr
was not playing with the The on the 1st loop of the
dusk usa tour?
>
*****************************************
ich bin dan owilde@umich.edu
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Paul smiles up at his father. The WIND blows the
Duke's hair and behind him stands the castle and the
green and black Atreides banner against the night
sky beyond. The RAIN starts again -- lightly. Paul
takes a closer look at the Atreides banner moving in
the wind.
DUKE LETO
(studying the dark sea below)
I'll miss the sea... but a person needs
new experiences... they jar something deep
inside, allowing him to grow. Without
change, something sleeps inside us... and
seldom awakens... The sleeper must awaken.
Paul's attention goes to his father's hand where he
sees the Duke's signet ring. Again he smiles at his
father.
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The Lineup
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:58:16
Message-Id: <199610021405.KAA24902@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>> What the hell? Where's Johnny Marr?! Is he leaving for that
Electronic crap?
Rude. If Matt thought highly of him...
>If you haven't noticed, TheThe is changing it's style on every
album.
>So, It shouldn't be a surprice, if the new album was different
from the others.
true. And it'll have a different title too. Come on. Matt's always
messing with new stuff, so of course it's gonna be different.
>
>As mentioned, the new TheThe will be rougher in style than before.
I said that six months ago. Anyone archive this stuff?
>anyone asked me, I'd say that harmonica wouldn't suit rought style
>(whatever that is)
uh, you can use harmonica in so many different ways. It would suit
anything matt wanted it to.
>About Johnny Marr I'd say: "He is a hell of a guitarist, but I
couldn't imagine him playing punkish rock'n'roll
oh. And to think that that's what he started out with. You do
remember the New York Dolls don't you?
JaY!
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Marr??
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:57:18
Message-Id: <199610021404.KAA27064@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>>Since Marr is leaving the The,
>>what does he (Marr) have planned for himself in the near future?
>He really hasn't been with Matt since the end of theThe "Against
the World Tour."
Actually, he worked on "dusk" after that...and right up till the
"lonely planet" tour. That's when Matt and Marr parted. Marr went
back to be with his wife, who had just had a baby. Matt wanted him
on the tour...and that's where...it started to go wrong.
>his main interest was his and Berhard Sumner's ( ex. Joy Division
+ New
>Order) project band "Electronic." The interview was about 2 and a
half
>months ago and so was the release of their latest album. I
wouldn't bother
>purchasing it though, consensus of even die hard fans, was thumbs
down, pass.
As the creator of the only comprehensive Marr web site around and
the owner of "the Draize Train" email list, I've received a lot of
email concerning the new album. Most have liked the new album, I'd
say it's about a 3 to 1 ratio. It also received quite a few good
reviews.
JaY
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From: Lea Curry
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marr??
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 11:50:41 -0700
Message-ID: <3252B981.1183@sirius.com>
I have been consuming Johnson's work since Burning Blue Soul, which I
got an odd copy of at Rough Trade, many, (too many), years ago, in a
discount bin, and it seems to me, that The The has always been a
changing collective. I gave it a spin, and immediately went back and
found Soul Mining... quite different, but more interesting...
I don't think he was trying to create a "band", EXCEPT as a touring
vehicle.
This ever changing style, and evolution is what sets his work apart, me
thinks. Marr leaving? I'm more interested in who he will command next
time. It *should* only get better.
I would have loved to see Johnson work with Bernard, but I think he may
be past that, by now. (As a diehard Joy Division fan, that would be
tempting), but he will most likely do something interesting.
His everchanging consortium has not disappointed me yet. Look ahead!
Lea
lea@sirius.com
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From: Steven W Hill
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu (infected mailing list)
Subject: Re: Marr??
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 14:37:05 CDT
Message-Id: <9610021941.AA04747@harper.cc.il.us>
> I don't think he was trying to create a "band", EXCEPT as a touring
> vehicle.
Well, there was a time when Johnson was saying in interviews that the
time had come to assemble a solid band instead of using session
musicians, but I believe he was actually trying to convince himself of
that when it wasn't really true. It wasn't long before he realised he
was only fooling himself and decided that the band was a touring band.
Please note that what I've said here is only my personal interpretation!
- -shill
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marr??
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:58:28
Message-Id: <199610021405.KAA31020@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>> Since Marr is leaving the The,
>> what does he (Marr) have planned for himself in the near future?
>i think that he and barney are considering a smallish
>tour in support of their new record 'raise the pressure'.
Nope. Bernard wanted to tour. Marr wanted to go right back in and
do another album. Marr won. No tour. HE told me this, ok?
> was anyone else disappointed a bit to find that marr
> was not playing with the The on the 1st loop of the
> dusk usa tour?
Like I said before, he went home to be with his wife and new baby.
I understand that.
JaY
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...more than you'll...ever...know
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marr??
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:58:37
Message-Id: <199610021406.KAA18255@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>Since Marr is leaving the The,
>what does he (Marr) have planned for himself in the near future?
Electronic Electronic Electronic.
And some pet shop boys.
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
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From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: As Time passes by.....
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 11:06:23 -0400
Message-Id: <199610011506.LAA01365@beacon.worldlink.ca>
You Wrote:
> was anyone else disappointed a bit to find that marr
>was not playing with the The on the 1st loop of the
>dusk usa tour?
Yes,
I had seen theThe live at a club in Montreal called "le Spectrum"
a year and a half before the Dusk Tour. The Montreal venue could
not have held more than 600 people, but my girlfiend and I were right
in front of the "Johnny side" of the stage (about 5 ft.) I had seen Johnny
in Ottawa playing with The Smiths so i was eager to see him play again.
It was a great show. In July 93 I heard on Much Music at the last minute
that theTHE was playing Kingswood Theatre (near Toronto) so my
girlfiend and I drove down to that show and bought tickets at the gate.
The Cranberries (who at that point were virtualy unknown) opened the
show. We were so far up in the stands for the first 4 numbers that it was
impossible to see who the players were. All I could think was "dam that
harp player is good and fuck why does Johnny keep fucking up the riff."
There was a good reason, it was Eric not Johnny. They Kinda look the
same if John dropped about 25 lb's. Great show still, and Matt as a
performer had grown and was less distant from the audience.
So all I know is that Matt Johnson has never recieved the credit he has
deserved as a songwriter and musician, and odds are that anything he
puts out, is going to be a cut above the crap that being played as "alterative"
now. He is one of the few artists ever who can write lyrics that are
introspective
yet real and without pathos. The first time I ever heard Soul Mining I had
an overwhelming feeling of melancholy, this wasn't the musical theme, it
was how the music held a mirror up to me. So what I'm saying I guess is that,
regardless of how Matt decides to go musicaly i will probably buy everything
he records till the day I die. Smile, there is a new album on the way.
CHEERS
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From: "Ian"
To: "infected"
Subject: Re: As Time passes by.....
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 00:38:11 -0400
Message-Id: <199610020431.AAA19417@anshar.shadow.net>
There's a good reason why you were disappointed with Eric's
performance...it was Keith Joyner who played on the Dusk tour. He was a
local-yocal from Atlanta, Georgia. I drove up from Miami with the
anticipation of meeting Marr and came away with the same feeling...he
sucked. My two bits: Marr was invaluable to the feel of the past two proper
albums. I think somebody (perhaps Euth.) said that Eric played with Bowie.
He's a hired gun, a ringer...let this album be testament to Matt's musical
prowess. He's long since proved himself as the lyricist. And I don't think
you will catch Eric Schmerhorn (I can't spell that bleedin name) wanking
about...he's an excellent player. Composer of super-funky, Marr-like
riffs...?
- ----------
>"...We were so far up in the stands for the first 4 numbers that it was
> impossible to see who the players were. All I could think was "dam that
> harp player is good and fuck why does Johnny keep fucking up the riff."
> There was a good reason, it was Eric not Johnny. They Kinda look the
> same if John dropped about 25 lb's...."
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From: "Corbett J. Klempay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Release Date...
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 18:05:24 -0400
Message-Id: <3.0b28.32.19961001180523.00691a6c@hops.cs.jhu.edu>
Hi all...I just rejoined the list after a summer of absence. Does anyone
know the official release date of Gun Sluts? And what's this I hear about
no harmonica? Who's playing on this album?
Corbett J. Klempay
The Johns Hopkins University
cklempay@jhu.edu
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: Marr??
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 19:49:48 -0400
Message-ID: <19961001234535.AAA25565@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Thanks for the info.
Vonn "Devo"
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From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
Sent: Monday, September 30, 1996 11:48 PM
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Marr??
At 10:26 PM 9/30/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Since Marr is leaving the The,
>what does he (Marr) have planned for himself in the near future?
>
>Vonn "Devo"
>
He really hasn't been with Matt since the end of theThe "Against the
World Tour." That would have been roughly March 1994. I believe they are
both still friends. In an Interview on Much Music he sort of said that
his main interest was his and Berhard Sumner's ( ex. Joy Division + New
Order) project band "Electronic." The interview was about 2 and a half
months ago and so was the release of their latest album. I wouldn't bother
purchasing it though, consensus of even die hard fans, was thumbs down, pass.
CHEERS
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: 3dvideo comment
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 20:18:29 -0400
Message-ID: <19961002001415.AAA9274@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
You Wrote:
> was anyone else disappointed a bit to find that marr
>was not playing with the The on the 1st loop of the
>dusk usa tour?
Yes,
I had seen theThe live at a club in Montreal called "le Spectrum"
a year and a half before the Dusk Tour. The Montreal venue could
not have held more than 600 people, but my girlfiend and I were right
in front of the "Johnny side" of the stage (about 5 ft.) I had seen Johnny
in Ottawa playing with The Smiths so i was eager to see him play again.
It was a great show. In July 93 I heard on Much Music at the last minute
that theTHE was playing Kingswood Theatre (near Toronto) so my
girlfiend and I drove down to that show and bought tickets at the gate.
The Cranberries (who at that point were virtualy unknown) opened the
show. We were so far up in the stands for the first 4 numbers that it was
impossible to see who the players were. All I could think was "dam that
harp player is good and fuck why does Johnny keep fucking up the riff."
There was a good reason, it was Eric not Johnny. They Kinda look the
same if John dropped about 25 lb's. Great show still, and Matt as a
performer had grown and was less distant from the audience.
So all I know is that Matt Johnson has never recieved the credit he has
deserved as a songwriter and musician, and odds are that anything he
puts out, is going to be a cut above the crap that being played as "alterative"
now. He is one of the few artists ever who can write lyrics that are
introspective
yet real and without pathos. The first time I ever heard Soul Mining I had
an overwhelming feeling of melancholy, this wasn't the musical theme, it
was how the music held a mirror up to me. So what I'm saying I guess is that,
regardless of how Matt decides to go musicaly i will probably buy everything
he records till the day I die. Smile, there is a new album on the way.
CHEERS
- ----------------
Oh yes, you have stated the facts so well. When I listen to Matt's music,
especially Soul Mining, I find I am looking into my inner self. From the
minor to the extreme feelings that can exist in one's own life, Matt has
cornered and expressed in his poetic lyrics. And I too, shall continue to
purchase work after work as long as the The, and myself, exist in this
world.
.. Smile smile smile, that new album is on the way!!!!!!
Vonn "Devo"
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: web page update
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:56:05 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199610020056.TAA19864@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
hi all,
after a more or less lazy summer i've now updated the infected digest
page, which (as always) can be found at
http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~behfar/infected.archives.html
there you can browse through and/or download everything that has ever
been posted to this list, classified by month and year (from jan 95 to
sep 96).
cheers,
behfar
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marr go to marrs!
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:58:47
Message-Id: <199610021406.KAA28278@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>As for Marr, well,
>many of you already know how I feel about that. For those who
don't, I can
>sum up by saying "I'm glad he's gone."
I've got mixed feelings. It was a relationship that had started to
stale...then again, I think matt's at his best when he's up front,
lyrics standing out, and rad guitar is in the background. Marr's
the best at that--period.
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: ever changing
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 20:43:47 -0400
Message-ID: <19961003003929.AAA27039@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
You wrote :
>This ever changing style, and evolution is what sets his work apart, me
>thinks. Marr leaving? I'm more interested in who he will command next
>time. It *should* only get better.
Correction: It *WILL* only get better, me thinks.
>His ever changing consortium has not disappointed me yet. Look ahead!
So true!!! And I feel that ever changing consortium can not disappoint you or me.
.Vonn "Devo"
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From: Trevor Walton
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: ever changing
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 21:12:26 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <199610040412.VAA18940@e2.empirenet.com>
Concerning theThe and their ever changing style...
I can honestly say I like everything I've ever heard of theirs (I have my
favorites but I won't get into that.) and am reasonably sure I'll like
whatever they put out next, but I can't be the only one who get's a bit antsy
when I hear their new stuff is going to be "rougher". Does anyone else have
nightmare visions of another alice in chains/pearl jam/dave mathews band/alterna-
flavor-of-the-month album? I'm reasonably certain they wouldn't do that but I
can't help being the slightest bit apprehensive. Maybe it's just my pessimistic
nature.
thoughts?
--Trevor
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Trevor Walton \ I've got too much energy to switch off my mind,
twalton@e2.empirenet.com\ but not enough to get myself organised -theThe
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From: Lea Curry
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: ever changing
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 23:51:13 -0700
Message-ID: <3254B3E1.33C5@sirius.com>
Trevor Walton wrote:
>
Does anyone else have
> nightmare visions of another alice in chains/pearl jam/dave mathews band/alterna-
> flavor-of-the-month album? I'm reasonably certain they wouldn't do that but I
> can't help being the slightest bit apprehensive. Maybe it's just my pessimistic
> nature.
>
> thoughts?
>
> --Trevor
Nope, I wouldn't worry, unless they put Johnson on stiff
antidepressants or something! He thinks , and I would imagine that
music is an important outlet for that thought , so I would expect a
certain standard. Now, if he decides to let somebody like Todd Rundgren
produce him, (like xtc, psych furs, chamelions UK), etc THAT would be
the Kiss o Death, but I doubt he's that far into a material shortage, or
senility yet. You might hear some John Lennon primal scream stuff in
there though. He seemed to be exorcizing a little of that in dusk, and
I think there are some raw Lennon tendancies there. Fun Stuff. (then
again, I just turned 40, so it might not be so fun for most of you! tee
hee)
Peace,
Lea
REPLIES TO: lea@sirius.com
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From: Smiley Boy
To: the The list
Subject: Re: ever changing
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:38:08 -0600
Message-ID: <325591D0.382D@cadvision.com>
Trevor Walton wrote:
>
> Concerning theThe and their ever changing style...
> I can honestly say I like everything I've ever heard of theirs (I have my
> favorites but I won't get into that.) and am reasonably sure I'll like
> whatever they put out next, but I can't be the only one who get's a bit antsy
> when I hear their new stuff is going to be "rougher". Does anyone else have
> nightmare visions of another alice in chains/pearl jam/dave mathews band/alterna-
> flavor-of-the-month album? I'm reasonably certain they wouldn't do that but I
> can't help being the slightest bit apprehensive. Maybe it's just my pessimistic
> nature.
>
> thoughts?
>
I'd say that I'm a wee but apprehensive as well. Although I'm
absolutely positive
that Matt could NEVER sink to the level of Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam
etc... (I shudder to
even type those names). I like my music very loud (and very rough),
however I can't really
see the The cranking out harsh "kill everyone now" tunes. IMO rougher
bands (Tool and
Rage being the bands de jour) are effective because of their
in-your-face anger and angst.
I tend to think that Matt is more moody than angst-ridden. The
moodiness and intelligence
is what first attracted me to the The -- as long as MJ doesn't sacrifice
those two qualities
for a "rougher" sound I will be happy.
I just can't picture Matt screaming out something like "I know you from
a previous
incarnation" to a heavy distortion guitar sound, while the opiated crowd
gives him the two
fingered devil sign! ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Today I got a government cheque,
Am I gonna get drunk - Oh yeah you bet!
Gonna paint the town red 'til the money's all spent
Then blame it on the government!
-furnaceface
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From: Truls Thunold
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: TO ALL
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 21:08:45 +0100
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19961005200845.00684f38@online.no>
Hello to all fan.
I dont like the person Marr because he helped OASIS on the way.
OASIS is crape we must hear when we waith on the new album!!!!
A The The fan who hope they wil have a concert in NORWAY
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: Re: TO ALL
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:10:44 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
rock on truls...
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
"Come to my house an' we'll pick bones, there hands outside ready with
stones. Come to my yard--I got whiskey an' chairs, we'll sit on the
porch as the good men stare."
-sixteen horsepower
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From: Donirey Vendivel
To: The The list
Subject: Re: TO ALL
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 08:57:01 -0500
Message-ID: <32590C2D.34F2@neosoft.com>
David B. Hirsch wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Come to my house an' we'll pick bones, there hands outside ready with
> stones. Come to my yard--I got whiskey an' chairs, we'll sit on the
> porch as the good men stare."
>
> -sixteen horsepower
"you ain't never spoke true, I shake an angry fist at you.
you are not needed here, to help me feel low down."
- --
here's to music, maddness, and miscellaneous feelings...
more and more semi-crazy
this here's cornbread red, c'mon back
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From: Trevor Walton
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: second helping
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:00:45 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <199610080600.XAA23837@e2.empirenet.com>
I noticed you mentioned Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits, it seems to me that their
music resonates along the same sorta vibe as theThe, yet I to know very few(if i
any) people who appreciate their music. Why are these guys so underrated?
Perhaps we're all just disturbed...
-Trevor
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Trevor Walton \ I've got too much energy to switch off my mind,
twalton@e2.empirenet.com\ but not enough to get myself organised -theThe
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: second helping
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 17:12:38 -0600
Message-ID: <325ADFE6.4EAC@cadvision.com>
Trevor Walton wrote:
>
> I noticed you mentioned Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits, it seems to me that their
> music resonates along the same sorta vibe as theThe, yet I to know very few(if i
> any) people who appreciate their music. Why are these guys so underrated?
> Perhaps we're all just disturbed...
>
Cohen is a god (and Canadian to boot)... really close to MJ for
songwriter of the decade. On the subject of great songwriters, I can't
forget to put in a pitch for Cave as well!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
- Samuel Johnson
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From: Brandon K Snavely
To: the the the mailing list
Subject: Re: second helping
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 20:14:41 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Smiley Boy wrote:
> Cohen is a god (and Canadian to boot)... really close to MJ for
> songwriter of the decade. On the subject of great songwriters, I can't
> forget to put in a pitch for Cave as well!
YES!! Leonard Cohen is a God! Nick Cave is great as well...
Other great songwriters who I'm fond of: Martin Gore (of Depeche Mode),
Peter Murphy (of Bauhaus and solo career, which is actually better than
his Bauhaus stuff imo), Andy Partridge (of XTC), Neil Tennant (of Pet Shop
Boys-- poppy/dance/disco with *phenominal* lyrics), Toni Halliday (of
Curve).....
freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
========%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%
"burn down the disco; hang the blessed DJ
because the music that they constantly play,
it says nothing to me about my life" -THE SMITHS
------------------------------
From: Christian Schmalz
To: infected
Subject: Re: 3dvideo comment - TO ALL
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 23:22:51 +0000
Message-Id: <199610062242.AAA26686@hermes.rz.uni-sb.de>
Vonn F. Campbell wrote:
> He is one of the few artists ever who can write lyrics that are
> introspective
> yet real and without pathos. The first time I ever heard Soul Mining I had
> an overwhelming feeling of melancholy, this wasn't the musical theme, it
> was how the music held a mirror up to me. So what I'm saying I guess is that,
> regardless of how Matt decides to go musicaly i will probably buy everything
> he records till the day I die. Smile, there is a new album on the way.
>
>
> CHEERS
>
> ----------------
> Oh yes, you have stated the facts so well. When I listen to Matt's music,
> especially Soul Mining, I find I am looking into my inner self. From the
> minor to the extreme feelings that can exist in one's own life, Matt has
> cornered and expressed in his poetic lyrics. And I too, shall continue to
> purchase work after work as long as the The, and myself, exist in this
> world.
> .. Smile smile smile, that new album is on the way!!!!!!
>
> Vonn "Devo"
It's amazing to realize, that Matts lyrics leave such overwhelming
imprints on other peoples souls, as they left on mine. You expressed
the way his music moves you in a way I would definetly express it
myself. I always wondered that someone expresses his feelings of
loneliness, belief and disbelief, disorientation in a way I'm facing
it myself. Thanx heaven, by that I figured out I'm not allone with my
feelings. And thinking about things of your personal concern is the
first step on getting over a certain problem, yet there are still
some feelings like"selfsufficiency in melancholy" I just don't want
to get rid off.
And also another BIG smile while waiting for the new album....
Best regards
Christian
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
The more I see
The less I know
About all the things I thought were wrong and right
& carved in stone.
Matt Johnson
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
Germany
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Christian Saborio
To: Christian Schmalz
CC: infected
Subject: address
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 08:46:34 +0000
Message-ID: <325771EA.57D4@ksu.edu>
Do u know the adress for posting messages in INFECTED?
Thanks
sabor@ksu.edu
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From: Christian Saborio
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: My Stupid Mistake
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 09:39:38 +0000
Message-ID: <32577E5A.230D@ksu.edu>
I just realized the stupid mistake I made by sending the message that
everyone will get. I apologize for the inconvenience and am sure that
all The The fans out there will forgive me.
Long Live The The!!!!!
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From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: just hello
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 21:30:25 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961007212827.1d1fb928@student.anu.edu.au>
I wanna write some thoughts about nothing much at all...'cause I've
engrossed in constitutional law cases and the waffle of judges. If only
they were slightly more concise..if only they would put their judgements to
music....if only I had some naked skin beside me to help me procrastinate.
I'd be the man that thought the world had come to a stand still, that
believed his feelings were of utmost import, the man who had a future in his
head but then found the world was different than planned.
Oh Matt...I long for your soul to pour out and touch my lonesome heart...
Oh Matt...your music takes me on a journey to a world where individuals are
valued and originality is worshipped...
The wine I'm drinking while I type this is disgusting but its better than
not drinking it. This essay that confronts me, and the long night before
me, are stalking my every thought, my every movement. Hendrix is playing
right by my side, content with his guitar, being my companion, my voodoo
chile. For the girl that has infected me has gone on her own path, has gone
to experience different pastures and taste the grass there...but my soul is
hidden by my efforts to disguise it....'cause I don't wanna admit that she
had that much value to me.
Here's to you all making waves with your lives. I'll hit the books now...in
order to finish this bloody essay before the sunsets tomorrow.
Interruptions are welcome though.
Bambang (PBLove)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only real self that I have is
that which I put smiling before you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: just hello
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 16:43:48 -0400
Message-ID: <19961007203902.AAA14003@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Very interesting thoughts and feelings you possess young man.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Bambang
Sent: Monday, October 07, 1996 7:30 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: just hello
I wanna write some thoughts about nothing much at all...'cause I've
engrossed in constitutional law cases and the waffle of judges. If only
they were slightly more concise..if only they would put their judgements to
music....if only I had some naked skin beside me to help me procrastinate.
I'd be the man that thought the world had come to a stand still, that
believed his feelings were of utmost import, the man who had a future in his
head but then found the world was different than planned.
Oh Matt...I long for your soul to pour out and touch my lonesome heart...
Oh Matt...your music takes me on a journey to a world where individuals are
valued and originality is worshipped...
The wine I'm drinking while I type this is disgusting but its better than
not drinking it. This essay that confronts me, and the long night before
me, are stalking my every thought, my every movement. Hendrix is playing
right by my side, content with his guitar, being my companion, my voodoo
chile. For the girl that has infected me has gone on her own path, has gone
to experience different pastures and taste the grass there...but my soul is
hidden by my efforts to disguise it....'cause I don't wanna admit that she
had that much value to me.
Here's to you all making waves with your lives. I'll hit the books now...in
order to finish this bloody essay before the sunsets tomorrow.
Interruptions are welcome though.
Bambang (PBLove)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only real self that I have is
that which I put smiling before you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Andrzej=Olaczek%prac%aipsa@aipsa.ita.pwr.wroc.pl
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: Re: second helping
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 11:27:50 EDT
Message-Id: <199610100915.EAA29729@cs.uchicago.edu>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Smiley Boy wrote:
> Cohen is a god (and Canadian to boot)... really close to MJ for
> songwriter of the decade. On the subject of great songwriters, I can't
> forget to put in a pitch for Cave as well!
YES!! Leonard Cohen is a God! Nick Cave is great as well...
Other great songwriters who I'm fond of: Martin Gore (of Depeche Mode),
Peter Murphy (of Bauhaus and solo career, which is actually better than
his Bauhaus stuff imo), Andy Partridge (of XTC), Neil Tennant (of Pet Shop
Boys-- poppy/dance/disco with *phenominal* lyrics), Toni Halliday (of
Curve).....
freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
========%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%
"burn down the disco; hang the blessed DJ
because the music that they constantly play,
it says nothing to me about my life" -THE SMITHS
- - - - - - - - - - - - - End of Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - -
Bauhaus - YES, YES, YES
But ... Neil Tennant & Martin Gore ????????
What the fu.k !?
________
Andrzej Olaczek
andol@ita.pwr.wroc.pl
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: 3dvideo comment - TO ALL
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 17:03:59 -0400
Message-ID: <19961007205914.AAA22886@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
I have tried to turn others on to the The, usually to no avail, (with the exception of my wife). If others would only allow Matt's music to climb into their minds, their souls, their hearts, they too would recognize the astounding similarity between Matt's words and their own lives. Matt has not written anything that each of us can't claim to have felt, experienced, thought, considered, lived.
Vonn "Devo"
How can anyone know me
When I don't even know myself.
Matt Johnson
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------
From: Christian Schmalz
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 1996 7:22 PM
To: infected
Subject: Re: 3dvideo comment - TO ALL
Vonn F. Campbell wrote:
> He is one of the few artists ever who can write lyrics that are
> introspective
> yet real and without pathos. The first time I ever heard Soul Mining I had
> an overwhelming feeling of melancholy, this wasn't the musical theme, it
> was how the music held a mirror up to me. So what I'm saying I guess is that,
> regardless of how Matt decides to go musicaly i will probably buy everything
> he records till the day I die. Smile, there is a new album on the way.
>
>
> CHEERS
>
> ----------------
> Oh yes, you have stated the facts so well. When I listen to Matt's music,
> especially Soul Mining, I find I am looking into my inner self. From the
> minor to the extreme feelings that can exist in one's own life, Matt has
> cornered and expressed in his poetic lyrics. And I too, shall continue to
> purchase work after work as long as the The, and myself, exist in this
> world.
> .. Smile smile smile, that new album is on the way!!!!!!
>
> Vonn "Devo"
It's amazing to realize, that Matts lyrics leave such overwhelming
imprints on other peoples souls, as they left on mine. You expressed
the way his music moves you in a way I would definetly express it
myself. I always wondered that someone expresses his feelings of
loneliness, belief and disbelief, disorientation in a way I'm facing
it myself. Thanx heaven, by that I figured out I'm not allone with my
feelings. And thinking about things of your personal concern is the
first step on getting over a certain problem, yet there are still
some feelings like"selfsufficiency in melancholy" I just don't want
to get rid off.
And also another BIG smile while waiting for the new album....
Best regards
Christian
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
The more I see
The less I know
About all the things I thought were wrong and right
& carved in stone.
Matt Johnson
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
Germany
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
From: Donirey Vendivel
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: second helping
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 11:46:01 -0500
Message-ID: <30780049.25E4@neosoft.com>
Trevor Walton wrote:
>
> I noticed you mentioned Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits, it seems to me that their
> music resonates along the same sorta vibe as theThe, yet I to know very few(if i
> any) people who appreciate their music. Why are these guys so underrated?
> Perhaps we're all just disturbed...
>
> -Trevor
>
> _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_
> Trevor Walton \ I've got too much energy to switch off my mind,
> twalton@e2.empirenet.com\ but not enough to get myself organised -theThe
> -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
i identify with and appreciate both of the afore mentioned, and i agree
to a certain extent in regards to the "vibe". Though their works are
introspective, they seem to be in general more narrative. They have
soul, but The The seems to put me in first person in the music. It's as
if i were experiencing IT (what ever IT might be). it's as if The The
were "making me" the soul, rather than describing their soul to me as
Leonard and Tom do. They(Leonard and Tom) also tend to be alittle more
abstract in their word usage. i certainly don't always want everything
handed to me on a silver platter, i do like to draw the conclusions, and
infer the meaning. i do feel though somewhat "alienated" at times,
because they might be alittle too abstract. The The has always made me
to feel welcome (even though i was born in one of the first fifty
states).
Matt just seems to be able to involve me in his music. i'm not sure if
it's a purposeful thing on his part, to involve his audience on such a
personal, emotional and spiritual level. perhaps he just does his thing
and we're along for the ride. i don't know, and even if i did, it
probably would not matter. i get so caught up in it anyway
- --
here's to music, maddness, and miscellaneous feelings...
more and more semi-crazy
this here's cornbread red, c'mon back
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I II III II II III IIIII IIIII
I IIIIIII II II IIII IIIII IIII I IIIIII IIIIIIII
I IIIIIII III III IIIIIII IIIIIII IIII I
I II III II IIII II IIIII IIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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O O O O IO OIO OIIIIIIIIIIII O O IIII
OO OO OO OO OO
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From: ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca (Yan Wong)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu, lea@sirius.com
Subject: Re: second helping
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:52:18 -0600
Message-Id: <199610091752.LAA01171@enme-p.enme>
> Ian Curtis (RIP)of Joy Divison ,anyone? There was some pretty raw
> emotion there. Too raw, perhaps. If anyone has not availed themselves to
> the early Joy Division , I suggest it as an excellant place to hang
> until the next The The disc hits. (no pun intended).
yeah, everybody is listing some great songwriters... Cohen, Waits, Curtis are
all great, although I don't think any of them can touch Matt... Cave really has
never spoken to me though... I remember I really tried to get into his Birthday
Party stuff last year but couldn't do it... as for other great
lyricists/songwriters, I have to say Bob Mould is up there with Matt... more
contemporary choices would be Greg Dulli (of the Afghan Whigs), David Barbe (of
Sugar and Buzz Hungry and Mercyland), David Berman (of the Silver Jews),
Sooyoung Park (of Seam) and Snoop Doggy Dogg (just kidding)...
I'm glad the list activity picked up... I had almost forgotten that I was on
this mailing list... this is a good thread too... although I think the best
thread we ever had was when we were trying to decide who among us was the
biggest fuckhead...
Yan
Hey Skot, are you going to see Sloan or The Butthole Surfers?...
------------------------------
From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: second helping
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 02:19:46 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961008021727.1d1f274c@student.anu.edu.au>
... to continue my ravings:
In my last two years on this here planet, in this here city of no soul, I've
met one, that's right ONE person who has known and enjoyed theThe. In fact
I think that that is the only person I've met who has known theThe. I've
been educating the populace though.
one of the best lyrics that matt's ever written is "How many whores have
walked through that door, lain by my side, climbed in my mind and taken me
down to where the heat blisters my skin upon my feet, makes me reach out and
weep for the days when ..."
the imagery that it invokes and the memories it provokes help me feel that
buzz that shoots from head to toe, right down the spine, which lets me know
that I am alive and there is something worth living for... that although
somedays go by when all I meet seem replacable, when all I observe is the
usual, that it is already for me to value things and people and my
relationships with them. expectations are another matter though...
i've listened to dave mathews band recently because of the comments i read
about them on this group. It was fine but didn't get me off at all. As I
said above, the music that I really enjoy is that music which resonates with
my nervous system, with my soul. Voices I think rather than the music that
does it for me, often deeper voices like Tom Waits and Leonard Cohen, but
sometimes voices like Jeff Buckley and Napolitano (from Concrete Blond).
A couple of songs that I've felt grab me quite severely are Not an addict
(K's Choice), Hallelujah (all the versions of Cohen's song), and another
whose title I can't remember at the moment by Dead Can Dance, oh and another
by the Pretty and Twisted album. There are others however but until Matt
gives me a new record I'll be wandering the halls of the unknown artists....
hoping for some jem, some lamp with a genie in it.
I've had my say, at least for now. My essay and its phantom await my mind.
Bambang (PBLove)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only real self that I have is
that which I put smiling before you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Huck
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: second helping
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 14:57:59 +0000
Message-ID: <325A6BF7.320D@wwonline.com>
Bambang rambled:
all kinds of stuff
When yearning for things you don't have it is sometimes
better to consider the things you don't have and don't want.
I think oscar wilde said somthing like that.
jason
------------------------------
From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: while I'm here
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 05:18:47 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961009051637.1d1fb270@student.anu.edu.au>
while I'm here at this ole keyboard I'll just say a word or two...
It's five in the morning, the second full night of writing, reading and
rythmical head banging. If only the constitutional law angel would come
bless my fingers, my head. Having received some wierd and wonderful
responses to my rambling last night I felt that I'll do so again. I have my
pills, my day job, my cup of tea, and I'm all set; while the books stare
unfriendly stares at me I pretend that it's all under control, that "she'll
be right" as we say down here.
I listened to Dusk just before. There is so much variety on that album.
The first song gets me worked up, makes my mind run around in circles like a
dog chasing a thought, and ends with "True happiness this way
lies"....aaaaaaahhhhhh. I wanna sing this loudly to all who sleep in the
other rooms on this residence and make them see that it really does. I wish
to play numerous songs from Dusk (till Dawn...hehehehe) to them all, taking
them to love, to the devil within us, to the temptations of women, to the
precept 'let's be friend, let's not fight' for the world is too big and life
is too short to do otherwise. I learned that last year and now me soul
aches when I see my sister pissed off all the time, or my father's
disloyalty, or my friends bad mouthing each other.
F*%k!!! Don't they see? Alas it is similar to my response to theThe. Don't
they realise what they are missing out on? Life would be different, they'd
wonder what they'd been doing all their precious years. I'm thankful to a
girl, Tara was her name, who was living in Indonesia with me. She bought
Infected as played it over and over. For want of a better expression I was
on top of a water spout shooting a hundred feet into the air. All I wanted
there and then was that album... it took me until 1992 to get my hands on
it, about 3 years later. I've never met her since she went home to Canada
but in my heart goes she...
Cheers,
Bambang (PBLove)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only real self that I have is
that which I put smiling before you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: The The Imports?
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:13:01
Message-Id: <199610090320.XAA20826@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>Just wandering if any of you guys might be able to recommend a
good The The bootleg (if any).
Talk to Dave Hirsch...he knows all and has all.
JaY!
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -General Email:luster@gnn.com
- -"Draize Train" Email list: lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
- -HOME PAGE:http://members.gnn.com/luster/
- -JOHNNY MARR:http://members.gnn.com/luster/Iknow.htm
...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Others
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:36:10
Message-Id: <199610090344.XAA23297@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>There will only be one true god of the music by which we live, and
>his name is MattJohnson.
>Accept it, you will feel better about yourselves in the cold light
>of morning.
I don't think so. It's not M.J., but J.M.!!!!
Ha! And it's such a great feeling to know Dave's mad at you...
JaY!
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -General Email:luster@gnn.com
- -"Draize Train" Email list: lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
- -HOME PAGE:http://members.gnn.com/luster/
- -JOHNNY MARR:http://members.gnn.com/luster/Iknow.htm
...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: Christian Saborio
To: thethemailinglist
Subject: The The Imports?
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:32:08 -0500
Message-ID: <325B0EA8.4C22@ksu.edu>
Just wandering if any of you guys might be able to recommend a good
The The bootleg (if any).
thanks
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Others
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 96 23:16:00 -0400
Message-ID: <19961009031107.AAA5688@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
There will only be one true god of the music by which we live, and his
name is Matt Johnson. Accept it, you will feel better about
yourselves in the cold light of morning.
Vonn "Devo"
------------------------------
From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: great songwriters and stuff
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:37:23 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961009103450.3dcf6db8@student.anu.edu.au>
Smileyboy:
Cohen is a god (and Canadian to boot)... really close to MJ for
songwriter of the decade. On the subject of great songwriters, I
can't forget to put in a pitch for Cave as well! Yeh, I'll pitch for
Cave as well. Cohen, Cave and Johnson. Three wise men?
Cheers,
Bambang (PBLove)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only real self that I have is
that which I put smiling before you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
From: Christian Saborio
To: thethemailinglist
Subject: Johnny Marr
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:42:07 -0500
Message-ID: <325B2D1F.6AD1@ksu.edu>
In Mindbomb, Johnny Marr was in The The. I dont own HANKY PANKY, but
once I borrowed from a friend and realized that Johnny Marr was not in
this album (which I didnt like as much as others). What happened to
Marr?!?!??!?!?!??!
sabor
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Johnny Marr
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 13:44:12
Message-Id: <199610091752.NAA23046@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>In Mindbomb, Johnny Marr was in The The.
I'd have to disagree. Johnny did as Matt told him to. I think
there are some rad music moments on that album, but, matt's albums
are always lyric based for me. This one's no exception. i think
marr did far more than he got credited for (1 song, right?) but
that should also be a sign of who did what. Johnny isn't with the
The anymore b/c he is obsessed with Electronic. I (IMHO) think
that's also what prompted Matt to start from scratch again...
JaY!
(who just got a teary apology from Dave)
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -General Email:luster@gnn.com
- -"Draize Train" Email list: lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
- -HOME PAGE:http://members.gnn.com/luster/
- -JOHNNY MARR:http://members.gnn.com/luster/Iknow.htm
...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: Antonio Salatti Garcia
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Greetings from Spain
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:19:51 +0100 (MET)
Message-Id: <199610090919.KAA25795@esi.us.es>
- --
|\__/| ____/| _ /| /\_/\ /\_/\ :\___/: /\_-_/\
\ O.O| \ o.o| \'o.O' = o o = ( o o ) \ O O / ( 0 0 )
---------------------------------------------------------------
Seven cats spying at the wall.
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From: Christian Schmalz
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Greetings from Spain
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:05:58 +0000
Message-Id: <199610091206.OAA01216@hermes.rz.uni-sb.de>
Antonio wrote:
> --
> |\__/| ____/| _ /| /\_/\ /\_/\ :\___/: /\_-_/\
> \ O.O| \ o.o| \'o.O' = o o = ( o o ) \ O O / ( 0 0 )
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Seven cats spying at the wall.
Do I have to see the secret message ?
CU Christian
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Gaebe es das Ungerechte nicht, wuerde man die
Gerechtigkeit nicht kennen.
Heraklit
(If there was no injustice, you would not
know about justice.)
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: peteb59@mail.idt.net (pooteeweet?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Greetings from Spain
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:17:31 -0600
Message-Id:
>Antonio wrote:
>
>
>> --
>> |\__/| ____/| _ /| /\_/\ /\_/\ :\___/: /\_-_/\
>> \ O.O| \ o.o| \'o.O' = o o = ( o o ) \ O O / ( 0 0 )
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> Seven cats spying at the wall.
>
Take one down, beat it around...
Six cats spying at the wall.
"Nobody's gettin' any meat around here 'til I settle Alice's hash!"
-Sam the Butcher
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
To: The The list
Subject: bootlegs
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
try to find "save me" on the italian kts label. it is the best out there.
in other news, jay will be over later to kiss my ass.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
"Come to my house an' we'll pick bones, there hands outside ready with
stones. Come to my yard--I got whiskey an' chairs, we'll sit on the
porch as the good men stare."
-sixteen horsepower
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From: tpoltora@mobility.com (Poltoranos, Ted)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu (Infected)
Subject: FW: second helping
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:06:02 -0400
Message-Id: <1996Oct09.100519.1540.228537@mailgate02.mobility.com>
Re the following :
*On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Smiley Boy wrote:
*
*> Cohen is a god (and Canadian to boot)... really close to MJ for
*> songwriter of the decade. On the subject of great songwriters, I can't
*> forget to put in a pitch for Cave as well!
*
* YES!! Leonard Cohen is a God! Nick Cave is great as well...
*
* Other great songwriters who I'm fond of: Martin Gore (of Depeche Mode),
*Peter Murphy (of Bauhaus and solo career, which is actually better than
*his Bauhaus stuff imo), Andy Partridge (of XTC), Neil Tennant (of Pet Shop
*Boys-- poppy/dance/disco with *phenominal* lyrics), Toni Halliday (of
*Curve).....
*
*
*freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
I gotta agree with Peter Murphy (especially the solo stuff), and put in my
vote for Andrew Eldridge (Sisters Of Mercy) - whose live performance is
second only to Matt's in raw emotion, and whose catalogue has some
surprisingly deep (dare I say "Matt like"?) songs.
But, I also have to agree with Devo and other recent postings, because
absolutely no one touches me on as many differents levels as Matt, and he
has no peer as a songwriter.
Ted
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: second helping
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 20:32:07 -0400
Message-ID: <19961010002710.AAA12128@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Thanks Ted!! Glad to see there are more out there across this huge planet
receiving the same message from Matt's music as I do. Matt has a special
talent with his songwriting skill/ability that no other will ever be able to equal.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: tpoltora@mobility.com (Poltoranos, Ted)
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 1996 10:06 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu (Infected)
Subject: FW: second helping
Re the following :
*On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Smiley Boy wrote:
*
*> Cohen is a god (and Canadian to boot)... really close to MJ for
*> songwriter of the decade. On the subject of great songwriters, I can't
*> forget to put in a pitch for Cave as well!
*
* YES!! Leonard Cohen is a God! Nick Cave is great as well...
*
* Other great songwriters who I'm fond of: Martin Gore (of Depeche Mode),
*Peter Murphy (of Bauhaus and solo career, which is actually better than
*his Bauhaus stuff imo), Andy Partridge (of XTC), Neil Tennant (of Pet Shop
*Boys-- poppy/dance/disco with *phenominal* lyrics), Toni Halliday (of
*Curve).....
*
*
*freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
I gotta agree with Peter Murphy (especially the solo stuff), and put in my
vote for Andrew Eldridge (Sisters Of Mercy) - whose live performance is
second only to Matt's in raw emotion, and whose catalogue has some
surprisingly deep (dare I say "Matt like"?) songs.
But, I also have to agree with Devo and other recent postings, because
absolutely no one touches me on as many differents levels as Matt, and he
has no peer as a songwriter.
Ted
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From: Andrzej=Olaczek%prac%aipsa@aipsa.ita.pwr.wroc.pl
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: Re: FW: second helping
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 11:52:06 EDT
Message-Id: <199610100939.EAA29804@cs.uchicago.edu>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> I gotta agree with Peter Murphy (especially the solo stuff), and put in my
> vote for Andrew Eldridge (Sisters Of Mercy) - whose live performance is
> second only to Matt's in raw emotion, and whose catalogue has some
> surprisingly deep (dare I say "Matt like"?) songs.
>
> But, I also have to agree with Devo and other recent postings, because
> absolutely no one touches me on as many differents levels as Matt, and he
> has no peer as a songwriter.
>
> Ted
Ian Curtis (RIP)of Joy Divison ,anyone? There was some pretty raw
emotion there. Too raw, perhaps. If anyone has not availed themselves to
the early Joy Division , I suggest it as an excellant place to hang
until the next The The disc hits. (no pun intended).
Lea
lea@sirius.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - End of Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - -
Curtis was excellent.
But I knew somebody, who hung himself, 'cause he had been hanging
around J.D. too much.
By the way.
Do you know that the first name of Joy Division was Warsaw ?
_______
Andrzej Olaczek
private : andol@ita.pwr.wroc.pl
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From: Lea Curry
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: FW: second helping
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:00:27 -0700
Message-ID: <325BDA2B.5199@sirius.com>
X-No-Archive: yes
>
> I gotta agree with Peter Murphy (especially the solo stuff), and put in my
> vote for Andrew Eldridge (Sisters Of Mercy) - whose live performance is
> second only to Matt's in raw emotion, and whose catalogue has some
> surprisingly deep (dare I say "Matt like"?) songs.
>
> But, I also have to agree with Devo and other recent postings, because
> absolutely no one touches me on as many differents levels as Matt, and he
> has no peer as a songwriter.
>
> Ted
Ian Curtis (RIP)of Joy Divison ,anyone? There was some pretty raw
emotion there. Too raw, perhaps. If anyone has not availed themselves to
the early Joy Division , I suggest it as an excellant place to hang
until the next The The disc hits. (no pun intended).
Lea
lea@sirius.com
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From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Great Wisdom ...
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:54:38 -0400
Message-Id: <199610091854.OAA09652@beacon.worldlink.ca>
> Ian Curtis (RIP)of Joy Divison ,anyone? There was some pretty raw
>emotion there. Too raw, perhaps. If anyone has not availed themselves to
>the early Joy Division , I suggest it as an excellant place to hang
>until the next The The disc hits. (no pun intended).
>
>Lea
>lea@sirius.com
>
You are a person with great wisdom ... only two lyricists have
ever effected me to any measurable extent. Matt and Ian, life
and death. "so what you going to do when the novelty is gone...."
Entartete Kunst
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: one reccomendation and a question
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:30:03 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Thats it! I've been keeping this band hidden for too long now. There's a
group out there, alas it pales in comparison to The The, however Its one
of my favorites and perhaps it might become one of yours some day,as well.
Human Drama produces very introspective and dark,but elegant music. They are
considered Gothic.Their influences are Joy Division(of which they sing an
unbelievable cover version of Love wil Tear us Apart and Decades), Bowie and
Waits just to name a few. I know this is a The The mailing list, but I felt
obligated to reveal this unearthed gem to you, a most respected group of
individuals who haven't forgotten what good music sounds like.
Question? What do The The fans like to read? I think, for many of us at
least, that we have the same musical tastes in common. That being the
case, how do you pleasure your eyes when you can't pleasure your ears
with The The? Please don't mention T.S., thats a given.- Ryan
------------------------------
From: "SHANNON R. LITTON"
To: INFECTED@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: new album???
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 18:36:54 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id: <01IAG69OKWG88Y65T6@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU>
I read on a J.Marr web page that the new the The was not due out til like
June of next year...then I read on the Sony page that it was going to be out
this fall. Can anyone clear this up for me? My entire life depends on it!
Shannon
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: Others
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 20:15:31 -0400
Message-ID: <19961010001034.AAA748@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Ha!!!!!
- ----------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 1996 7:27 PM
To: VONN.CAMPBELL@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
Subject: Re: Others
>There will only be one true god of the music by which we live, and
>his name is MattJohnson.
>Accept it, you will feel better about yourselves in the cold light
>of morning.
I don't think so. It's not M.J., but J.M.!!!!
Ha! And it's such a great feeling to know Dave's mad at you...
JaY!
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -General Email:luster@gnn.com
- -"Draize Train" Email list: lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
- -HOME PAGE:http://members.gnn.com/luster/
- -JOHNNY MARR:http://members.gnn.com/luster/Iknow.htm
...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: The The Imports?
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 20:18:56 -0400
Message-ID: <19961010001400.AAA2465@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Sure, the name of the cd is "Save Me", an import (bootleg??) from Italy.
- ----------
From: Christian Saborio
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 1996 10:32 PM
To: thethemailinglist
Subject: The The Imports?
Just wandering if any of you guys might be able to recommend a good
The The bootleg (if any).
thanks
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From: "Melissa Cannon"
To: "Infected Mailing List"
Subject: Re: one reccomendation and a
Date: 9 Oct 1996 17:22:07 -0700
Message-Id:
Mail*Link=AE SMTP RE>one reccomendation and a question
Date: 10/9/96 4:23 PM
From: Ryan E Wick
Question? What do The The fans like to read? I think, for many of us at
least, that we have the same musical tastes in common. That being the
case, how do you pleasure your eyes when you can't pleasure your ears
with The The? Please don't mention T.S., thats a given.- Ryan
- ---------------------------------
That's easy. Anything by Ayn Rand.
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: one reccomendation and a question
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From: ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca (Yan Wong)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: one reccomendation and a
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:20:17 -0600
Message-Id: <199610101720.LAA02552@enme-p.enme>
> Question? What do The The fans like to read? I think, for many of us at
> least, that we have the same musical tastes in common. That being the
> case, how do you pleasure your eyes when you can't pleasure your ears
> with The The? Please don't mention T.S., thats a given.- Ryan
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> That's easy. Anything by Ayn Rand.
well, I have read many works by many different authors but some of my favorite
books which I think other the The fans will like (since they deal with the
themes of lust and loneliness) are:
Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov
The Wars - Timothy Findley
The New York Trilogy - Paul Auster
Where I'm Calling From - Raymond Carver
In the Skin of the Lion - Michael Ondaatje
A Pale View of Hills - Kazuo Ishiguro
The Sun Also Rises - Ernest Hemingway
The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera
The Great Gatsby - F.S. Fitzgerald
Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Dostoevesky
The Sailor Who Fell From Grace .... - Yukio Mishima
Dancing in the Dark - Joan Barfoot
wow, this is sort of becoming like one of those party lines... I am an active,
single male, 25, who enjoy the outdoors, dancing, nice long walks along the
beach and staying in bed on Sunday mornings...
Yan
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From: Smiley Boy
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: one reccomendation and a
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:11:21 -0600
Message-ID: <325DBAD9.6A2D@cadvision.com>
We can't forget to put in some poets... let's go for the Romantics --
Byron and Shelley
Margaret Atwood is way cool
George Orwell's "Down and Out in Paris and London" is a worth-while read
Nick Cave's "King Ink" (there I go worshipping Cave again...)
Douglas Adams is groovy
Dr. Seuss is a god
Edward Gorey (If you like macabre children's stories -- I recommend "The
Gashleycrumb Tinies")
That's all that come to mind!
Call me completely naive.. but who is T.S.?
Cheers,
skot
```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Stories are our wall against the dark.
-Jane Yolen
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: one reccomendation and a
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:19:02 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199610101819.NAA02023@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
> Question? What do The The fans like to read?
i didn't see charles bukowski mentioned. am i the only sicko around
here? hard to imagine that on this list!
behfar
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From: Genepool@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: one reccomendation and a
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:04:20 -0400
Message-ID: <961010180419_207319095@emout18.mail.aol.com>
<
Some of my favorites:
Gabriel Garcia Marquez-100 years of Solitude or Love in the time of Cholera.
Philip K. Dick-Too many to list but if you're very interested, E-mail and
I'll send you some titles to start on.
William Gibson-Neuromancer
Robert Anton Wilson-Illuminati Chronicles
Anything by Herman Hess!!
Hunter S. Thompson -Fear and Loathing in Los Vegas and Great Shark Hunt.
Pulp:
Ann Rice Vampire stuff.
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From: "SHANNON R. LITTON"
To: INFECTED@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Sony Webpage
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 21:28:48 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id: <01IAGC8J6XJQ8WYQ6G@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU>
For all who care and I'm sure you do, here is the webpage I was talking about
earlier discussing the Fall '96 release date. It's a long one, so sharpen your
pencils...
www.sony.dreammedia.com/Epic Center/docs/artistupdate.qry?artisid=168
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From: djelline@haverford.edu (David Jellinek)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: reading lists...
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 22:50:56 EDT
Message-Id:
Currently, I don't have much time for leisure reading; senior year
(Haverford College) can do that. I am in the middle of a great novel,
though: Regeneration, by Pat Barker. Quite good and MJish.
Some enjoyed in the past:
JD Saliger--all. Pay special attention to Seymour, the scenes with him
could have been written by MJ, especially in Perfect Day for Bananfish (9
Stories) and Seymour an Introduction.
Homer
Baudlaire--get your hands on a good translation of Les Fleur du Mal (the
Flowers of Evil), if you can.
Some Toni Morrison--not all of it; focusing on Song of Solomon, for me.
Grisham, for fun.
Black Box by Amos Oz (awesome description of a break up/get together).
Invisible Man
Thats what I've been able to get through, recently, considering school.
Any additions?
dave
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From: david stephen anderson
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: reading lists...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:36:40 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:
If you want dark reading go for Stephen R. Donaldson. In many ways he
reminds me of Matt, but he's different many ways. He does right Fantasy
and Sci Fi, but don't let that scare you away. He uses those enviroments
to better draw out the raw human emotions involved in his characters. So
thats my recomendation.
Dave
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From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: confirmation????
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:23:34 -0400
Message-Id: <199610100323.XAA11176@beacon.worldlink.ca>
I was watching an interview with the guys from the band
"Stabbing Westward" on Much Music. There was a brief
mention by Sook Yin Lee of someone called Matt Johnson
helping on several tracks. At first I thought to myself "no
it must be another MJ." But the Band responded that they
had the same management as theThe and that their manager
(Steve Rennie?) had got them together and that it had worked
really well, and that Matt was a good guy. Matt as a session
musician? I guess, as this is not the first time i've heard of
him helping new bands. I had also heard that he worked on
the last "Rage Against the Machine" album and this is also possible
as the inner sleave thanks a "Matt Johnson" for help on
the album.
Has anybody else heard these rumours? Or am I dreaming in
Technocolour Cinemascope?
------------------------------
From: sabor@ksu.edu
To: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: confirmation????
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:53:52 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:
I have the stabbing westward cd, and I coulndt find matts name anywhere.
On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 3dvideo@worldlink.ca wrote:
> I was watching an interview with the guys from the band
> "Stabbing Westward" on Much Music. There was a brief
> mention by Sook Yin Lee of someone called Matt Johnson
> helping on several tracks. At first I thought to myself "no
> it must be another MJ." But the Band responded that they
> had the same management as theThe and that their manager
> (Steve Rennie?) had got them together and that it had worked
> really well, and that Matt was a good guy. Matt as a session
> musician? I guess, as this is not the first time i've heard of
> him helping new bands. I had also heard that he worked on
> the last "Rage Against the Machine" album and this is also possible
> as the inner sleave thanks a "Matt Johnson" for help on
> the album.
>
> Has anybody else heard these rumours? Or am I dreaming in
> Technocolour Cinemascope?
>
>
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From: Brandon K Snavely
To: the the the mailing list
Subject: MJ & Stabbing Westward
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 02:43:08 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 sabor@ksu.edu wrote:
> I have the stabbing westward cd, and I coulndt find matts name anywhere.
Stabbing Westward's current manager used to be The The's manager.
Also, Stabbing's current drummer is Andy Kubezuski, who drummed
for The The on the Depeche '93 tour (apparently Dave Palmer jumped ship
before the dM '93 tour(?)). Andy K. was previously a founding member of
the Exotic Birds (80s cheeze synthpop band).
Stabbing's old drummer, David Suycott, left SW and joined Machines of
Loving Grace and appears on their album _Gilt_.
:)
freeze (Brandon K. Snavely: bksst6+@pitt.edu)
========%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%===%
"burn down the disco; hang the blessed DJ
because the music that they constantly play,
it says nothing to me about my life" -THE SMITHS
------------------------------
From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Literature???
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 00:33:26 EST
Message-Id: <199610100416.EAA13099@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
Someone posted about literature - personally, my favorite is a German
psychology text entitled, "Psychopathia Sexualis".
Also, Ann Rice as A.N. Roqulaure wrote an erotica trilogy called
The Beauty Trilogy.
Scary Stories and Poems, like The Headless Horseman Rides Tonight also
rock, in my book.
That's about it for me!
Thanks for listening...
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too tense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sent- and Hell bent.." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
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From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: books and more
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 04:11:13 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961011040837.29c7c464@student.anu.edu.au>
before hitting the sack I wanna tell you of authors I like:
Kurt Vonnegut Jr
Gene Wolfe
Robert Heinlein
Douglas Adams
Thomas Hardy (especially 'Jude the Obscure' and 'Mayor of Casterbridge')
Ayn Rand
Dostoevsky
and
Swinburne (poet, in truth)
I have'nt read all that many books over the last three years, but I have of
each of the authors I mentioned - and will so in the future.
A note too on song writers: Gore is entitled to respect; his music with DM
is inspirational and his lyrics are the words of a simple, emotional sole.
DM have given me much enjoyment in the past; in fact I listened to their
music and wisdom before I did theThe. Take a look at my preferred writers -
you'll see why I like both Gore and MJ.
I asked the angels for inspiration, the devil he bought me a drink - cheers,
Bambang (PBLove)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The only real self that I have is
that which I put smiling before you."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Antonio Salatti Garcia
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:23:15 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199610101823.NAA02096@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
From: Antonio Salatti Garcia
To: infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: greetings...2part
Hi!!!I'm in Sevilla and ,i know,my first message was a little strange,i'm new
and i cannot very well how it goes all this stuff...i ask for forgiveness.
I love MJ,and the horrible feeling you have when you can't talk about the
the with anyone makes me write to you,guys.
The way i found MJ, listening to a commercial radio station(the beaten ge
neration),makes me feel bad but i found him and that's the important.I
didn't buy the CD 'till i bought "Dusk".It was a present and that day was
Friday and i was in bed with flu.I fell in love with the music,the words.
I bought the rest the following week...
Now we are in 1996 and i need a new album.This is,i think,the opinion
of all the people who likes to think about life & living,love & death.
I listen to other musicians,Leonard Cohen,Lloyd Cole,Crowded House,
Smiths,....,but i always come back,if i'm down or not,it doesn't matter.
i feel lucky of knowing that all you,guys,love MJ and that means a lot
of things...
Bye,
antonio
"My mind has been polluted & my energy diluded"
- - --
- ------- end -------
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From: "Martyn Iannece"
To: "TheThe's"
Subject: Required Reading...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:26:32 -0400
Message-Id: <199610101822.OAA01136@ishmail.gemsoft.com>
Johnson is a poet. But I don't know of any literary equivalent, melody
and form are too integral to what he does. Anyway here's a partial list of
authors and books that move and have moved...
top 10 of all time -
Sexus - Henry Miller
The Gulag Archipelagpo - Aleksandr Solzenitsyn
Naked Lunch - William S. Burroughs
Coming Through Slaughter - Michael Ondaatje
Buried Dreams - Tim Cahill
Breakfast Of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut Jr
Deliverence - James Dickey
The Great Shark Hunt - Hunter S. Thompson
Dispatches - Michael Herr
Crash - J. G. Ballard
runners-up -
Snowblind - Robert Sabbag
Sexing The Cherry - Jeanette Winterson
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter S. Thompson
The Collapse Of Chaos - 'can't remember right now'
Modern Manners - P. J. O'Rourke
Fahrenheit 451 - Ray Bradbury
There are many more but these come most readily to mind...
rest
mru
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Writer/Adventurer/Paranoid
"MY GOD! IT'S FULL OF STARS!!"
Gemsoft Corp.
tel: (416) 368-1552
fax: (416) 368-9682
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From: Lea Curry
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: book recommendation
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:42:01 -0700
Message-ID: <325D4379.5B2@sirius.com>
X-No-Archive: yes
If you are not too depressed and want to read something dark, try "The
Painted Bird", by Jersey Koszcinsky, (sp?).
Years after he wrote it he said it was an autobiography of himself, and
his friend Roman Polanski, but it is hard to beleive. I guarantee it
is spectacular!
- -Lea
lea@sirius.com
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From: Andrzej=Olaczek%prac%aipsa@aipsa.ita.pwr.wroc.pl
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: book recommendation
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 13:10:24 EDT
Message-Id: <199610151057.FAA06269@cs.uchicago.edu>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
If you are not too depressed and want to read something dark, try "The
Painted Bird", by Jersey Koszcinsky, (sp?).
Years after he wrote it he said it was an autobiography of himself, and
his friend Roman Polanski, but it is hard to beleive. I guarantee it
is spectacular!
- -Lea
lea@sirius.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - End of Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - -
I agree with you, Lea.
But the author's name is J. KOSINSKI.
Maybe in U.S. he's called KOSINSKY. I don't know.
_______
Andrzej
private : andol@ita.pwr.wroc.pl
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From: PJ Peterson
To: Infected
Subject: A reading list
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:53:25 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
My reading list isn't quite as grand as some of the other INFECTED kin:
Ayn Rand (I've seen that name come up a few times already)
Chekov
James Joyce
William Gibson
Tolkein
H.G. Wells
Jules Verne
e.e cummings
Ginsberg
George Orwell
Jack Kerouac
Thoreau and Emerson
just to name a few....
______________________________________________________________________________
"...listen: there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go."
e.e cummings
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: forwarded message from Antonio Salatti Garcia
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 19:00:09 -0400
Message-ID: <19961010225509.AAA10439@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Welcome to the group, Antonio.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 1996 2:23 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Antonio Salatti Garcia
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
From: Antonio Salatti Garcia
To: infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: greetings...2part
Hi!!!I'm in Sevilla and ,i know,my first message was a little strange,i'm new
and i cannot very well how it goes all this stuff...i ask for forgiveness.
I love MJ,and the horrible feeling you have when you can't talk about the
the with anyone makes me write to you,guys.
The way i found MJ, listening to a commercial radio station(the beaten ge
neration),makes me feel bad but i found him and that's the important.I
didn't buy the CD 'till i bought "Dusk".It was a present and that day was
Friday and i was in bed with flu.I fell in love with the music,the words.
I bought the rest the following week...
Now we are in 1996 and i need a new album.This is,i think,the opinion
of all the people who likes to think about life & living,love & death.
I listen to other musicians,Leonard Cohen,Lloyd Cole,Crowded House,
Smiths,....,but i always come back,if i'm down or not,it doesn't matter.
i feel lucky of knowing that all you,guys,love MJ and that means a lot
of things...
Bye,
antonio
"My mind has been polluted & my energy diluded"
- - --
- ------- end -------
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: thanx
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:20:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Thanx a lot for all the recommendations about your favourite books. I had
no idea that this is such learned group of people. I'd like to throw
another fastball in for discussion. Is it possible that we have more in
common than just the groups we listen to or the books we read? I'd like to
know if we share the same spiritual beliefs as well. I'm still browsing,
window shopping for the soul, I guess. Anyway, seeing how many of us have
taken Matt's lyrics to nearly prophetic hights, I was wondering if any of
his songs have left you Godless. Not that thats a bad thing. I simply want to
know which direction his words have steered you. Has it left you lost in a
prison of religon, or were you more inclined to have the Lord
take you by the hand and lead you through these desert sands, to the
shores of the promise land? No I'm not a bible humper,just curious.-Ryan
------------------------------
From: Christian Saborio
To: Ryan E Wick
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: thanx
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:29:45 -0500
Message-ID: <325DA309.2072@ksu.edu>
I thought I was the only one out there. I was born Catholic into
this world and I really never shared the beliefs involved in it. I
respect every single kind of religion, known and unkown, that exist
throughout the world.
For all that I´m concerned, I don´t consider myself as an Atheist
(sp?). Atheists can sit down with you and probably back up their
beliefs with something...I can´t.
As for some of The The´s lyrics; they give me this feeling that there
are people out there who are not simply saying that God does not
exist. Instead, they question the facts, and that is what I simply do
everyday in order to feel not so confused.
sabor@ksu.edu
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Why is it, that anything on this Earth we do not understand,
We are pushed onto our knees to worship or to damn?
M.J.
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From: "Bloeser, Mike"
To: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: RE: thanx
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:21:06 -0500
Message-ID:
I don't think that "Godless" is the proper term. MJ has been able to
put into words and music something I'd been feeling for a long time. It
was somewhat amazing that the first the The song I'd ever heard was
"Armageddon Days are Here (Again)" because that song spoke to me on a
deep level. I have often thought that had I heard any other the The
song before this one, I probably wouldn't be such a fan. I do believe
in the christian God, however I don't really subscribe to any particular
religion. Church, to me, is and always will be a social occasion, a
chance for people who believe roughly the same thing to get together and
talk. Every "bible-beater" I've ever heard of ended up being a
hypocrite (just look at any American Tele-Evangelist, esp. Jimmy
Swaggart!). I think that the reason Matt's work speaks to us all is
because of the feeling that he puts into the music and lyrics, he isn't
"going through the motions" like so many of the current bands (pearl
jam) that try to use powerful lyrics and end up sounding small and
stupid. Does MJ steer my thoughts? Perhaps...in the sense that he makes
me think of things in a new and different way. Has he changed my
religion? No, I believe what I believe, the music of the The makes me
think about it and even reevaluate it, but the music won't change it.
The greatest thing that music can do is make you think. It won't do the
thinking for you, but it provides a stimulus for your own thoughts (do
you think they talk about reading lists and religion on the Allanis
Morrisette(sp? who cares) list?). Anyhow, that was my brief
soap-box..comments/thoughts are always welcome.
>----------
>From: Ryan E Wick[SMTP:rwick@osf1.gmu.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 1996 6:20 PM
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>Subject: thanx
>
>> Thanx a lot for all the recommendations about your favourite books. I had
>> no idea that this is such learned group of people. I'd like to throw
>> another fastball in for discussion. Is it possible that we have more in
>> common than just the groups we listen to or the books we read? I'd like to
>> know if we share the same spiritual beliefs as well. I'm still browsing,
>> window shopping for the soul, I guess. Anyway, seeing how many of us have
>> taken Matt's lyrics to nearly prophetic hights, I was wondering if any of
>> his songs have left you Godless. Not that thats a bad thing. I simply want
>>to
>> know which direction his words have steered you. Has it left you lost in a
>> prison of religon, or were you more inclined to have the Lord
>> take you by the hand and lead you through these desert sands, to the
>> shores of the promise land? No I'm not a bible humper,just curious.-Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: Michael Woodlock
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:51:46 +1000
Message-Id: <199610102350.JAA20856@tornado.netspace.net.au>
For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing has yet
happened.
I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the mutual
mastibation that goes on and on.
Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan = pain in the
arse.
Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if some of
you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste your time
speaking the shit you do in this forum.
------------------------------
From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:04:30 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961023110233.18e7c12a@student.anu.edu.au>
women who get off on theThe.....I knew one once, but that was a long time
ago - she was the one who introduced thethe to me. But then we parted.
to condemn artistic merit or creative genius to the bottom of a cesspit
because of an artist's behaviour, be it during the creative process or
afterwards or during sex or at the dinner table, seems to me to be
misunderstanding this here life. Anything and everything may have an effect
on one's self with the result being that anything one produces is in some
sense influenced by all that one has experienced. But it is one's self and
not the world outside that does the creating, the thinking, the feeling, the
weeping, ie the processing of all that one has consumed, through perception
and even ingestion of food, wine or women...to deny evaluating MJ as
insightful, sensitive to what's going on in his world is to deny the
cognitive processes of humanity. Verbatim regurgation is what one would get
if no MJ was involved, that is, if it was because of the substances that he
uses. If the man uses particular things to help achieve introspective
success, those things are catalysts, not the cause. His feelings, his
thoughts are within him. A man may become violent after consuming alcohol,
but to place responsibility with the alcohol is to misplace responsibility.
I will go no further as eventually this will transform into a discussion of
philosophy...
to the women who have been telling of what they see in MJ and what they get
out of his music: i get off on his lyricism and his clear and amazing
descriptions of particular situations and emotions... however, to disagree
with an earlier comment regarding the Madonna and the whore - I've found two
women that I love and they are both embodiments of the Madonna and the whore
united, synthesized moreover, removing the split that has been held up as
right and natural. They show that the two images are in no way mutually
conflicting, that they are together a whole unity, and that when I come
inside her I am blessed and condemned... blessed because I am joyful and
condemned because I am joyful.
So here's to strong women, feminine women, confident women, and clever
women, to women who know who they are, what they want, how to get it, and
when to taketh away - "baby I've got my mind set on you, I've got my mind
set on you, and some day some day some day you'll come my way, and when you
put your arms around me I'll be looking over your shoulder for something
new" (I used to experience that, but alas no longer....)
I asked the angels for inspiration, the devil he bought me a drink - cheers,
Bambang
------------------------------
From: "Ian"
To: "infected"
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:13:26 -0400
Message-Id: <199610110305.XAA13846@anshar.shadow.net>
You spelled masturbation wrong! Haah! Practice makes perfect..as they say.
- ----------
> From: Michael Woodlock
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject:
> Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 7:51 PM
>
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing has
yet
> happened.
>
> I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the
mutual
> mastibation that goes on and on.
>
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan = pain in
the
> arse.
>
> Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if some
of
> you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste your time
> speaking the shit you do in this forum.
------------------------------
From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:20:13 -0400
Message-Id: <199610110420.AAA24582@beacon.worldlink.ca>
Isn't that a famous line from Al Pacino in Scar Face?
"Eh you fuggingassholes doin some ah mutual mastibation..."
On other notes:
Apparently, the new drumer Earl Harvin (Jr.) is a really credible jazz
drumer he probably met Matt through Dave Palmer as there is a loose
affiliation for both through the band "MC 900FT JESUS." He has his own
project called the "Earl Harvin Trio." I guess Schermerhorn was touring with
Iggy Pop earlier this summer
and he also did some session stuff on his last album (so he should be sharp.)
Anybody now anything about Spencer Campbell???
Another weird thing happened to me. I was watching The learning
Channel last saturday and a commercial came on for some analgesic
balm(sorry I've forgotten the name {mitodet or something}.) It's done in 3D
with these pair of hands that are transparent that rub the cream on
themselves.Anyway, the music underneath it was an exact copy of "Scenes From
'Arctic Twilight." I kid you not. I don't know how many of you are
familiar with it, but it is the B side instrumental of the "Slow Emotion Replay"
CD Single, I swear.
CHEERS
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:36:41
Message-Id: <199610110445.AAA07922@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
Was going through some stuff...have you all seen this before?
Total Guitar Issue 6 May 1995
You didn't play on Matt's Hank Williams album...will you be doing
more
with him?
Yeah, I think so. Matt plans on doing another album of covers--of
Robert
Johnson. And the idea is that we go to New Orleans. That'll be
good
because it gives me a chance to plug in a 345 in a basement and get
nasty. I couldn't do Hanky Panky because the kids came along,
basically.
I felt like I'd spent eight years in hotel rooms and I wasn't
about to
drag a baby around the world. He wanted to do the album with the
same
band that he was going to tour with. Then my daughter came along
quit
soon after. I'm really suited to what I'm doing now. It was time
for
Electronic to get focused and get working on the new album.
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...more than you'll...ever...know
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From: Michael Woodlock
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:11:54 +1000
Message-Id: <199610110510.PAA20995@tornado.netspace.net.au>
Sycophants united...........
"......I've gotten under your skin(s) where the rain can't get in....."
and before you get to excited.....it is paraphrased - hope you all have a
hell of a life
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From: Lea Curry
To: Michael Woodlock
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: YOUR REQUEST
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:38:21 -0700
Message-ID: <325DC12D.1DB8@sirius.com>
X-No-Archive: yes
I understand your frustration but get a clue and send a command to the
list serve address. We can't unsubscribe you, (unfortunately)!!!
When you signed up you got this , but obviously did not read or keep
it. ( a good thing to do when signing onto list serves). Now , instead
of kvetching and acting like a big baby, just send the right message to
the right address and you will be unsubscribed with no need to insult
anyone.
And maybe next time you will read the instructions instead of getting
your panties in a knot.
* TO UNSUBSCRIBE, please send mail to:
infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
with a message saying that you would like to be removed from the list.
I would try UNSUBSCRIBE on the first line as the message, and in the
subject line. That should do it , and make everybody a whole lot
happier.
Lea
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From: fawoods@hti.net
To: Michael Woodlock
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:45:18 -0700
Message-ID: <325DDEEE.4BD2@hti.net>
Michael Woodlock wrote:
>
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing has yet
> happened.
>
> I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the mutual
> mastibation that goes on and on.
>
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan = pain in the
> arse.
>
> Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if some of
> you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste your time
> speaking the shit you do in this forum.
You are so fucking right. I am not sure if I even like the The anymore.
They should all kill themselves.!!!!!
------------------------------
From: Marc Tompkins
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 22:10:31 -0700
Message-ID: <3276E347.635C@earthlink.net>
Trevor Walton said:
>I noticed you mentioned Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits, it seems to me
that their music resonates along the same sorta vibe as theThe, yet I to
know very few(if any) people who appreciate their music. Why are these
guys so underrated? Perhaps we're all just disturbed...>
Well, I'd like to declare myself here and now as an unabashed, albeit
recent, wholehearted fan of Mr. Waits. And of Mr. Cohen, although I
don't know his stuff yet as well as I'd like (if anything else he's
written can stand up to "Everybody Knows", I've got a lot of treats in
store).
I live in Southern California, which is a cultural wasteland if there
ever was one (I'm an expatriate San Franciscan, and would be there if I
won the lottery or could find a job there). However, there is one
bright light here I would take with me if I could - KCRW, the public
radio station of Santa Monica College. I've never heard a the The song
on KCRW, which is a matter I'd like to take up with management sometime,
but a million other albums that've changed my life I would never have
heard otherwise. Tom Waits, for instance - I'd never heard of him in my
life. Warren Kolodny played "Romeo is Bleeding" one night, and Chris
Douridas played "Tango 'Til They're Sore" a few days later, and I was
hooked. Tom Waits is godhead, folks. (Warren Kolodny is no longer with
us, unfortunately - he "lost his battle with depression" is the way they
euphemized it. Never met him but he was a hell of a DJ.)
Anyway, if you all out there read your e-mail the way I do, you've
already deleted this. Anyone reading this far and responding before
November 1st (to my e-mail box only) wins one Bass ale to be collected
in person at any bar in the LA/Santa Monica/Venice area (anytime while I
still live here).
TTFN!
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: Michael Woodlock
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:45:48 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Michael Woodlock wrote:
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing has yet
> happened.
>
> I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the mutual
> mastibation that goes on and on.
>
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan = pain in the
> arse.
>
> Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if some of
> you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste your time
> speaking the shit you do in this forum.
>
>
Blame each other, WELL BLAME YOURSELF!
------------------------------
From: "gerald r. fnord"
To: Michael Woodlock
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: your mail
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:49:41 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:
your rambling diatribe might even interest me were
it not for the fact that most 5 yearolds have the
computer literacy necessary to unsubscribe from
a listserv...
maybe you should get one of those red and yellow
plastic sony 'my first computers'? either that,
or perhaps you should consent to that frontal lobotomy
that everyone wants you to get?
asswipe
*************************|*************************
daniel klyn | Heavy Rotation:
owilde@umich.edu | pet sounds beach boys
infiltrator, | stars on ESP hnia
ancient and illuminated | gaucho steelydan
seers of bavaria | sunny ep morrissey
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From: PJ Peterson
To: Infected
Subject: Heaven sent and hell bent
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:54:48 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
To answer Ryan's second question:
I wouldn't say it was the overriding factor in my spirtual upheval... but
listening to Mind Bomb certainly helped to change my views... I was raised
Catholic... went to Catholic school for 13 years... a brain-washing
experience if you ask me... and am now at the point where I can quote
Matt Johnson from one of his interviews "I'm a born again agnostic"... I
don't really know and I don't care whether God is there.... well that's
not true...
Not to digress. but it seems to me that for being an agnostic, MJ talks
an awful lot about god... I can claim a similar interest... I constantly
have spirtual and theological debates... although I tend to get quite
cynical and biased... bashing the religion in which my parents and Sister
Mary Stigmata of the Worthless Miracle (sorry.. needed to vent some latent
hostilty)...made me suffer under....
I hope that's answers your question.. I'm afraid my babbling has got the
best of me again
pj
______________________________________________________________________________
"...listen: there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go."
e.e cummings
_________________________________________________________________________
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Heaven sent and hell bent
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:14:02
Message-Id: <199610110421.AAA11968@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
> listening to Mind Bomb certainly helped to change my views... I was
> raised Catholic... went to Catholic school for 13 years... a
> brain-washing experience if you ask me... and am now at the point
> where I can quote Matt Johnson from one of his interviews "I'm a
> born again agnostic"... I don't really know and I don't care whether
> God is there... well that's not true... > Not to digress. but it
> seems to me that for being an agnostic, MJ talks an awful lot about
> god... I can claim a similar interest...
Very close to my heart. You must be some long lost twin brother of
mine (although I did think Dave was too). I feel the same after
St. Theresa
St. Mathews
St. Pius X
Bishop Silas Chatard HS
catholic schools ruined me...
JaY!
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: fletcher@netspace.net.au, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: this is going to you and the list
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:13:54
Message-Id: <199610110421.AAA22855@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:51:46 +1000
> From: Michael Woodlock
> Sender: fletcher@pop.netspace.net.au
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing
> has yet happened. I wouldn't mind if there was some decent
> discussion rather than the mutual mastibation that goes on and on.
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan =
> pain in the arse. Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for
> Matt, and maybe if some of you morons did you'd have more creativity
> then than to waste your time speaking the shit you do in this forum.
Here ya go pal...
From: http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~behfar/infected.instructions.html
"to UNSUBSCRIBE, send mail to infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu with
a message saying that you would like to be removed from the list."
That's how to do it. I'm helping cause the sooner your ass is off
this list, the better. Thanks for all the insight and great
contributions you made to make it better. Cock!
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: "Melissa Cannon"
To: "Infected Mailing List"
Subject: FWD>Heaven sent and hell be
Date: 10 Oct 1996 17:34:39 -0700
Message-Id:
Mail*Link=AE SMTP FWD>Heaven sent and hell bent
You said it, brother.
- --------------------------------------
Date: 10/10/96 5:28 PM
From: PJ Peterson
To answer Ryan's second question:
I wouldn't say it was the overriding factor in my spirtual
upheval... but listening to Mind Bomb certainly helped to change my
views... I was raised Catholic... went to Catholic school for 13
years... a brain-washing experience if you ask me... and am now at
the point where I can quote Matt Johnson from one of his interviews
"I'm a born again agnostic"... I don't really know and I don't care
whether God is there.... well that's not true...
Not to digress. but it seems to me that for being an agnostic, MJ
talks an awful lot about god... I can claim a similar interest... I
constantly have spirtual and theological debates... although I tend to
get quite cynical and biased... bashing the religion in which my
parents and Sister Mary Stigmata of the Worthless Miracle
(sorry.. needed to vent some latent hostilty)...made me suffer
under....
I hope that's answers your question.. I'm afraid my babbling has got
the best of me again
pj
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"...listen: there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go."
e.e cummings
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From: PJ Peterson
To: Infected
Subject: Heaven sent and hell bent
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Fwd: newbie alert
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:41:17
Message-Id: <199610110449.AAA22426@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
some the The content so...
>Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:39:04 -0500
>From: "Claire A. LeBlanc"
>Sender: owner-lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
>To: lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
>Subject: newbie alert
>Some Johnny content: I am lucky enough to have seen 3 WONDERFUL the
>The shows, one of which was on the Mind Bomb tour (spring 1990?).
>At that show (open admission, kinda a big "pit" with no chairs in
>front of the stage), some very nice but rather tall guys in front of
>me and my friend kindly let us get in front of them, putting us about
>10 feet in front of THE MAN himself. It was an incredible night, and
>all I could think was how loose and relaxed Johnny was; he seemed to
>be really enjoying himself, whereas in all of the Smiths footage I've
>seen (never saw them live) he'd always seemed a bit tense and stiff.
>This was when I lived in Chicago, by the way, we NEVER get any cool
>shows down here in Florida, at least not in the northern part, snif
>snif.
>
>Excuse me for asking what is probably a "newbie" question, but
>Johnny has left the The? Huh? If someone can direct me to more
>info on this development, I'd appreciate it!! I've been WAY to busy
>with school lately I guess.
>
>Thanks for listening,
>
>Claire
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Message from the Loser
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 21:39:04 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011013401.AAA8548@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
None so blind as those who will not see.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Michael Woodlock
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 1996 7:51 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing has yet
happened.
I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the mutual
mastibation that goes on and on.
Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan = pain in the
arse.
Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if some of
you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste your time
speaking the shit you do in this forum.
------------------------------
From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Michael Woodlock
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:47:04 -0400
Message-Id: <199610110147.VAA13236@beacon.worldlink.ca>
At 09:51 AM 10/11/96 +1000, you wrote:
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing
> has yet happened.
>
> I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the
> mutual mastibation that goes on and on.
>
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan =
> pain in the arse.
>
> Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if
> some of you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste
> your time speaking the shit you do in this forum.
Pardon? What the hell is "mutual mastibation?"
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: thanx
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 22:01:36 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011015633.AAA19886@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Well, neither actually. Before meeting the woman I am married to now,
I had been to church maybe 5 times in my life. So my knowledge of
anything spiritual, in a religious sense, was next to null. I have
experienced what I call "Jesus freaks", and to another extreme, the
"hypocrites". Matt's words provided me with a feeling of being caught
in between. There is some supreme being, and anyone can attach a name
to the being, dependent on their beliefs. However, the belief in
something is what is important, not the name given. A rose is still a
rose by any other name. i.e Matt's lyrics show my denial, belief,
hope, fear, everything, nothing, all that I want to accept, and all I
want to discard. Sorry for going awry.
"How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?"
"I see an old man fingering his perishing flesh, he tell himself he was a good
man and did good things. Amused and confused by life's little ironies,
he swallows his bottle of distilled damnation."
Matt Johnson
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Ryan E Wick
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 1996 7:20 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: thanx
> Thanx a lot for all the recommendations about your favourite books. I had
> no idea that this is such learned group of people. I'd like to throw
> another fastball in for discussion. Is it possible that we have more in
> common than just the groups we listen to or the books we read? I'd like to
> know if we share the same spiritual beliefs as well. I'm still browsing,
> window shopping for the soul, I guess. Anyway, seeing how many of us have
> taken Matt's lyrics to nearly prophetic hights, I was wondering if any of
> his songs have left you Godless. Not that thats a bad thing. I simply want to
> know which direction his words have steered you. Has it left you lost in a
> prison of religon, or were you more inclined to have the Lord
> take you by the hand and lead you through these desert sands, to the
> shores of the promise land? No I'm not a bible humper,just curious.-Ryan
>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: thanx
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 18:34:48 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011223405.AAA23641@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
I understand your thoughts. Very interesting verbiage.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: "Bloeser, Mike"
Sent: Friday, October 11, 1996 10:21 AM
To: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: RE: thanx
I don't think that "Godless" is the proper term. MJ has been able to
put into words and music something I'd been feeling for a long
time. It was somewhat amazing that the first the The song I'd ever
heard was "Armageddon Days are Here (Again)" because that song spoke
to me on a deep level. I have often thought that had I heard any
other the The song before this one, I probably wouldn't be such a fan.
I do believe in the christian God, however I don't really subscribe to
any particular religion. Church, to me, is and always will be a
social occasion, a chance for people who believe roughly the same
thing to get together and talk. Every "bible-beater" I've ever heard
of ended up being a hypocrite (just look at any American
Tele-Evangelist, esp. Jimmy Swaggart!). I think that the reason
Matt's work speaks to us all is because of the feeling that he puts
into the music and lyrics, he isn't "going through the motions" like
so many of the current bands (pearl jam) that try to use powerful
lyrics and end up sounding small and stupid. Does MJ steer my
thoughts? Perhaps...in the sense that he makes me think of things in a
new and different way. Has he changed my religion? No, I believe what
I believe, the music of the The makes me think about it and even
reevaluate it, but the music won't change it. The greatest thing that
music can do is make you think. It won't do the thinking for you, but
it provides a stimulus for your own thoughts (do you think they talk
about reading lists and religion on the Allanis Morrisette(sp? who
cares) list?). Anyhow, that was my brief soap-box..comments/thoughts
are always welcome.
>----------
>From: Ryan E Wick[SMTP:rwick@osf1.gmu.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 1996 6:20 PM
>To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>Subject: thanx
>
>> Thanx a lot for all the recommendations about your favourite books. I had
>> no idea that this is such learned group of people. I'd like to throw
>> another fastball in for discussion. Is it possible that we have more in
>> common than just the groups we listen to or the books we read? I'd like to
>> know if we share the same spiritual beliefs as well. I'm still browsing,
>> window shopping for the soul, I guess. Anyway, seeing how many of us have
>> taken Matt's lyrics to nearly prophetic hights, I was wondering if any of
>> his songs have left you Godless. Not that thats a bad thing. I simply want
>>to
>> know which direction his words have steered you. Has it left you lost in a
>> prison of religon, or were you more inclined to have the Lord
>> take you by the hand and lead you through these desert sands, to the
>> shores of the promise land? No I'm not a bible humper,just curious.-Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
------------------------------
From: "Ian"
To: "infected"
Subject: Re: Mr Masturbation
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 23:24:41 -0400
Message-Id: <199610110317.XAA14941@anshar.shadow.net>
Leave him on for a while Beh, this could be fun. Responses requested...open
to all "mutual mastibators only."
- ----------
> From: Michael Woodlock
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject:
> Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 7:51 PM
>
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing
> has yet
> happened.
>
> I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the mutual
> mastibation that goes on and on.
>
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan =
> pain in the
> arse.
>
> Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if
> some of you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste
> your time speaking the shit you do in this forum.
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: Ian
Cc: infected
Subject: Re: Mr Masturbation
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:03:16 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Yeah. I hate all the the fans that adore the the too.Yeah...errr.. and Matt
hates all his adoring fans too(probably!)...because they wet their pants and
don't do drugs..Yeah..Matt would really like to deficate on his audience of
uncreative and unworthy fans because they love so much!
What the hell was this guy thinking of by joining a the the mailing list?
Can we please get out this shoolyard sandbox?- One of the uncreative,sober
fuckhead masturbaters and damn proud of it!
------------------------------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Racine Bratcher
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:12:58 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199610110512.AAA07459@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Antonio Salatti Garcia
Welcome! Better to have found MJ later than never...
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too tense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sent- and Hell bent.." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
- ------- end -------
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: THETHEXXX@aol.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Racine Bratcher
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:50:10
Message-Id: <199610151758.NAA15638@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>your hearts. And the album will be out next summer too!
but you have to give us more! How long? General mood? More electric
or more acoustic?
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: THETHEXXX@aol.com
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Racine Bratcher
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:31:25 -0400
Message-ID: <961015003124_126958716@emout07.mail.aol.com>
Just spoke with the band and they told me (I'm Wilma, the new secretary) to
tell all you boyz'n'grrllls out there in the darkness, faces glowin' by
computer light, out by the breezy coasts and in the humid insufferable inner
cities, to those feeling happy with their lives and also to those who feel
that they have somehow fallen off the rails a little bit, who're still
searchin' for real truth, and meaning and purpose. Well hey don't worry. Your
soul and spirit and invisible friends are gently guiding you and whispering
in your ears. You know what you must do. Listen to your conscience and follow
your hearts. And the album will be out next summer too!
Love from Wilma Franklyn-Brown
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: THETHEXXX@aol.com
Cc: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Racine Bratcher
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:07:57 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
Wilma, you're COOL!!
The the The is lucky to have you as a new secretary (and maybe vice versa
as well)! Good ones are worth their weight in platinum!
Patrick Stewart
> Just spoke with the band and they told me (I'm Wilma, the new secretary) to
> tell all you boyz'n'grrllls out there in the darkness, faces glowin' by
> computer light, out by the breezy coasts and in the humid insufferable inner
> cities, to those feeling happy with their lives and also to those who feel
> that they have somehow fallen off the rails a little bit, who're still
> searchin' for real truth, and meaning and purpose. Well hey don't worry. Your
> soul and spirit and invisible friends are gently guiding you and whispering
> in your ears. You know what you must do. Listen to your conscience and follow
> your hearts. And the album will be out next summer too!
> Love from Wilma Franklyn-Brown
>
------------------------------
From: Patrick Stewart
To: THETHEXXX@aol.com
Cc: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: forwarded message from Racine Bratcher
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:07:57 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id:
Wilma, you're COOL!!
The the The is lucky to have you as a new secretary (and maybe vice versa
as well)! Good ones are worth their weight in platinum!
Patrick Stewart
> Just spoke with the band and they told me (I'm Wilma, the new secretary) to
> tell all you boyz'n'grrllls out there in the darkness, faces glowin' by
> computer light, out by the breezy coasts and in the humid insufferable inner
> cities, to those feeling happy with their lives and also to those who feel
> that they have somehow fallen off the rails a little bit, who're still
> searchin' for real truth, and meaning and purpose. Well hey don't worry. Your
> soul and spirit and invisible friends are gently guiding you and whispering
> in your ears. You know what you must do. Listen to your conscience and follow
> your hearts. And the album will be out next summer too!
> Love from Wilma Franklyn-Brown
>
------------------------------
From: robbd@vyger.enet.dec.com
To: "infected@cs.uchicago.edu"@vbormc.vbo.dec.com
Cc: robbd@vyger.enet.dec.com
Subject: SAVE ME cd boot
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 10:06:12 MET
Message-Id: <199610110904.KAA06898@vbormc.vbo.dec.com>
If anyone's looking for a copy of this excellent disk, gimme a shout -
I have a spare I'd be happy to trade for some CDs I need from the U.S.
Cheers,
- - DJR
------------------------------
From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Bye, with a tear in my eye...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:10:41 -0400
Message-Id: <199610111510.LAA26705@beacon.worldlink.ca>
Hey does "mutual mastibation" qualify as safe sex?
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Bad Lyrics
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 18:35:26 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Allright, I've got another potentially controversal subject to submit for
your consideration. Since we're all secure with our musical preference,
we shouldn't have a problem accepting any faults that come with it. Now I'm
as much of a fan as the next guy, however I can't help but skip," My
head feels like a junkshop in desperate need of repair, the path of least
resistance leads to the garbage head of dispair." Please don't get me
wrong. I love his music and his lyrics, especially his lyrics. Its just
that those particular lyrics I could really do without. We spend alot of
time praising the the, and rightfully so, but I still think it would be
interesting for those of you who are brave enough to offer some constructive
criticism to do so. Please step forward and confess if you harbor any
hidden resentment for a lyric or two. If I'm the only one out there than I'm
exceedingly sorry and apologize in advance. Always faithful, Ryan
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Bad Lyrics
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 96 21:07:46 -0400
Message-ID: <19961017010636.AAA22972@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
- ----------
From: Vonn F. Campbell[SMTP:mailhost.worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 1996 8:50 PM
To: 'Ryan E Wick '
Subject: RE: Bad Lyrics
Ryan, I can't say that there are any lyrics Matt has written which really do not please my senses. Especially ," My head feels like a junkshop
in desperate need of repair, the path of least resistance leads to
the garbage HEAP of dispair." That speaks to me. I feel those words.
However, the worst I can say is... my least favorite album is "Burning Blue Soul", because it to me is the most harsh of all released so far, and I do not have the ability to understand his message behind those lyrics, except for "Another Boy Drowning". I still refuse to degrade that album in any way.
Matt is an extraordinary writer, and will always be.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Ryan E Wick
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 1996 6:35 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Bad Lyrics
Allright, I've got another potentially controversal subject to submit for
your consideration. Since we're all secure with our musical preference,
we shouldn't have a problem accepting any faults that come with it. Now I'm
as much of a fan as the next guy, however I can't help but skip," My
head feels like a junkshop in desperate need of repair, the path of least
resistance leads to the garbage head of dispair." Please don't get me
wrong. I love his music and his lyrics, especially his lyrics. Its just
that those particular lyrics I could really do without. We spend alot of
time praising the the, and rightfully so, but I still think it would be
interesting for those of you who are brave enough to offer some constructive
criticism to do so. Please step forward and confess if you harbor any
hidden resentment for a lyric or two. If I'm the only one out there than I'm
exceedingly sorry and apologize in advance. Always faithful, Ryan
------------------------------
From: "Melissa Cannon"
To: "Infected Mailing List"
Subject: One More
Date: 11 Oct 1996 10:05:02 -0700
Message-Id:
I have another book to recommend:
Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins (fun stuff)
In addition, here's a joke for all you Ayn Rand fans out there:
Q - What's the difference between Howard Roarke and John Gault?
A - Does it matter?
Until later -
Mel
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: Bye, with a tear in my eye...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 18:26:52 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011222609.AAA20562@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Only if you use Spell Check foam during the act.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
Sent: Friday, October 11, 1996 11:10 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Bye, with a tear in my eye...
Hey does "mutual mastibation" qualify as safe sex?
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: this is going to you and the list
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 18:31:56 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011223114.AAA22515@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Thanks Jay!!!
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 1996 8:13 PM
To: fletcher@netspace.net.au; infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: this is going to you and the list
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:51:46 +1000
> From: Michael Woodlock
> Sender: fletcher@pop.netspace.net.au
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
>
> For the THIRD time UNSUBSCRIBE me. I have asked nicely, and nothing has yet
> happened.
> I wouldn't mind if there was some decent discussion rather than the
> mutual mastibation that goes on and on.
> Matt probably hates you all. And with good reason, adoring fan =
> pain in the arse.
> Get real and get drug fucked. Its good enough for Matt, and maybe if
> some of you morons did you'd have more creativity then than to waste
> your time speaking the shit you do in this forum.
Here ya go pal...
From: http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~behfar/infected.instructions.html
"to UNSUBSCRIBE, send mail to infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu with
a message saying that you would like to be removed from the list."
That's how to do it. I'm helping cause the sooner your ass is off
this list, the better. Thanks for all the insight and great
contributions you made to make it better. Cock!
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW:
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 18:38:58 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011223816.AAA25060@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
"Scenes From 'Arctic Twilight." ???? that is unreal!!! Would love to
have seen it.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: 3dvideo@worldlink.ca
Sent: Friday, October 11, 1996 12:20 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Isn't that a famous line from Al Pacino in Scar Face?
"Eh you fuggingassholes doin some ah mutual mastibation..."
On other notes:
Apparently, the new drumer Earl Harvin (Jr.) is a really credible jazz
drumer he probably met Matt through Dave Palmer as there is a loose
affiliation for both through the band "MC 900FT JESUS." He has his own
project called the "Earl Harvin Trio." I guess Schermerhorn was
touring with Iggy Pop earlier this summer and he also did some session
stuff on his last album (so he should be sharp.)
Anybody now anything about Spencer Campbell???
Another weird thing happened to me. I was watching The learning
Channel last saturday and a commercial came on for some analgesic
balm(sorry I've forgotten the name {mitodet or something}.) It's done
in 3D with these pair of hands that are transparent that rub the cream
on themselves.Anyway, the music underneath it was an exact copy of
"Scenes From 'Arctic Twilight." I kid you not. I don't know how many
of you are familiar with it, but it is the B side instrumental of the
"Slow Emotion Replay" CD Single, I swear.
CHEERS
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: Mr Masturbation
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 96 18:43:07 -0400
Message-ID: <19961011224225.AAA26828@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Preach On!!! Say it like it is!!!
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Ryan E Wick
Sent: Friday, October 11, 1996 5:03 AM
To: Ian
Cc: infected
Subject: Re: Mr Masturbation
Yeah. I hate all the the fans that adore the the too.Yeah...errr.. and
Matt hates all his adoring fans too(probably!)...because they wet
their pants and don't do drugs..Yeah..Matt would really like to
deficate on his audience of uncreative and unworthy fans because they
love so much! What the hell was this guy thinking of by joining a the
the mailing list? Can we please get out this shoolyard sandbox?- One
of the uncreative,sober fuckhead masturbaters and damn proud of it!
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: FW: Mr Masturbation
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 20:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, Vonn F. Campbell wrote:
> Preach On!!! Say it like it is!!!
>
> Vonn "Devo"
>
> ----------
> From: Ryan E Wick
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 1996 5:03 AM
> To: Ian
> Cc: infected
> Subject: Re: Mr Masturbation
>
> Yeah. I hate all the the fans that adore the the too.Yeah...errr.. and Matt
> hates all his adoring fans too(probably!)...because they wet their pants and
> don't do drugs..Yeah..Matt would really like to deficate on his audience of
> uncreative and unworthy fans because they love so much!
> What the hell was this guy thinking of by joining a the the mailing list?
> Can we please get out this shoolyard sandbox?- One of the uncreative,sober
> fuckhead masturbaters and damn proud of it!
>
Well okay if you insist. I'd like to close the book on that loser by
saying he's so stupid that he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if had
instructions on the heel. Actually, I don't blame him, I blame his father.
After all he's the one who jerked-off into a flowerpot and raised the
blooming idiot!
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From: "Trevor "
To:
Subject: Words for the "Mindbomb" and "Soul Mining" alburns
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 11:04:48 +1000
Message-Id: <199610140931.TAA07285@peg.apc.org>
Can some-one please supply me with the words to the songs on 'The the''s
"Mindbomb" and "Soul mining" alburns.
Thanks, Trevor
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From: ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca (Yan Wong)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu, martink@acslink.net.au
Subject: Re: Words for the "Mindbomb" and "Soul Mining" alburns
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:25:55 -0600
Message-Id: <199610142025.OAA03021@enme-p.enme>
> Can some-one please supply me with the words to the songs on 'The the''s
> "Mindbomb" and "Soul mining" alburns.
> Thanks, Trevor
don't your copies of "Mindbomb" and "Soul Mining" already come with lyrics?...
mine does although the lyrics to 'Perfect' was left out of my copy of "Soul
Mining"... Dave Hirsch posted the lyrics to 'Perfect' about a year ago... here
it is...
Yan
- ------------------
From: Hirschdave@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:49:46 -0400
X-Status:
y english winter and solitude is never easy to maintain, except
when it rains. So I hang any empty smile beneath my empty eyes and go out
for a walk.
The wet morning sun reflects off the paving stones, while a little dog barks
his head off...in the distance.
"Oh what a perfect day-to think about myself, my feet are firmly screwed to
the floor. What is there to fear from such a regular world."
Passing by a cemetary I think of all the little hopes and dreams that lie
lifeless and unfulfilled beneath the soil.
I see an old man fingering his perishing flesh he tells himself he was a good
man and did good things. Amused and confused by lifes little ironies he
swallows his bottle of distilled "Damnation."
People trot around with unseeing eyes, they're looking for something that
doesn't exist. The world we once knew is being eaten up by rust. No one has
time for the past but still in god they trust.
The future is now, but it's all going wrong. Bodies queue for nothing for it
is to nothing they belong.
People say their prayers and some work hard, if you give them all your money,
they'll give you their hearts.
(this town ain't gettin' like a ghost town)
It's gettin' like Hell!!!
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From: Christian Saborio
To: Trevor
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Words for the "Mindbomb" and "Soul Mining" alburns
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:19:02 -0500
Message-ID: <32622FB6.1F0D@ksu.edu>
trevor:
This is the Utltimate Band List address, u will find every single
lyric and info on any band you want:
http://ubl.com/ubl/ubl.shtml
sabor@ksu.edu
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From: Lea Curry
To: Christian Saborio
CC: Trevor , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Words for the "Mindbomb" and "Soul Mining" alburns
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:54:33 -0700
Message-ID: <32627E59.1C0F@sirius.com>
X-No-Archive: yes
Christian Saborio wrote:
>
> trevor:
>
> This is the Utltimate Band List address, u will find every single
> lyric and info on any band you want:
>
> http://ubl.com/ubl/ubl.shtml
>
> sabor@ksu.edu
Thank You. That is a great link! I tested it for a few obscure things
and it passed! Check it out and bookmark it for your old age everybody.
Lea
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From: "Pieter Corneillie"
To:
Subject: Mr Masturbation and other things
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:54:50 +0100
Message-Id: <22580441107852@unicall.be>
Hiya all,
I've been reading for some while now the postings but I really have to say
that the kindness and language used in most of the messages is kinda
rude... why do most of you posters actually try to get ruder every time and
actually don't talk about the subject this list is all about: THE THE
I'm not a subscriber to hear you think another person said something stupid
or he/she is completly daft... let him/her be that way...
So... back to the root of this mail list: THE THE
- ---
I too noticed that Johny Marr isn't on the Hanky Panky CD... and I'm very
disappointed that he won't be on the next THE THE CD too but I trust MJ in
his choice of the band members... The first CD's were allright and Johny
Marr wasn't on the too...
About The The getting more rough... I personaly prefer the sound of
Infected as the electronic gizmos used can produce some more 'desperate'
effects then a 'genuine' guitar actually can (ie a guitar without digital
resampling). I hope we actually won't get another Alice in chains kinda
thing 'coz even with the superb lyrics it's not the "The The" I like the
most (and most other The The fans I know)
And before anyone comments on my English, it isn't my native language so
pardon me for the errors.
Greetz,
Pieter Corneillie
corneilliezarren@unicall.be
http://uc2.unicall.be/corneilliezarren
Q: What is more terrible than biting an apple and finding a worm ?
A: Biting an apple and finding half a worm.
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From: Alex Gutierrez
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: autoblasting
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 14:19:38 +0100
Message-Id: <199610141319.OAA09639@lix.intercom.es>
I know i will be blasted and eviscerated for this, but i have to say that i
partially agree with mister mastibation man. I think it would be better to
create some debate on the works of The The. I love its music and christ, he
has achieved something: to make record wothout any filling fucking song. And
to create lyrics that the wors it got 99 out of 100 points. But then, we
could find which songs and lyrics we like most.
I don't wanna start any polemic, but, i dunno, i think it will be better.
Remember, Johnson is against the uniformity: everyone must be different!!
Alex Guti=E9rrez
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From: Scott Anderson
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: I Saw The Light promo...
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:13:31 -0500
Message-Id: <199610142013.PAA03129@tremont.dpc.net>
Hey, if anyone wants it....a store round here has a copy
of the "I Saw The Light" US cd promo for nine bucks...it has
I Saw The Light,I'm Free At Last,Someday You'll Call My Name and
Theres No Room In My Heart (For The Blues) on it...if anyone wants
it I could buy and send it for the cost of the cd plus shipping...
Thanks, Scott.
scandcar@dpc.net
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From: cm3isrr@cr41.staffs.ac.uk
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The CD rom
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:02:24 +0100
Message-Id: <96101513022472@cr41.staffs.ac.uk>
Hi all; one of my infrequent submissions to this list...
I'm thinking of doing a multimedia project about The The for a major
project module for the final year of an Interactive Design degree.
Who better to ask (apart from The Man himself) than you lot?
I've got ideas to include:
- - a discography
- - lyrics
- - etc, etc... Basically the stuff you'd see on a WWW page for The The
But what I also want to do is include what effect the music has had upon
different people. It's affected my aspirations and my view on life and I'd
like to somehow incorporate a lot of the spirit into a multimedia artefact.
I'm just at a stage where I'm thinking of what to do so I'd REALLY
appreciate what other people on this list think about it. I want to know
what you would like to see on a The The Cdrom. I want to look at all aspects
of the band and its music and from all angles...
Any thoughts appreciated.
Off to lunch is Raxit Ramani...
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: I Saw The Light promo...
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 16:43:47 -0400
Message-ID: <19961015204244.AAA18689@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
Is anyone else receiving HUNDREDS of the following duplicate message from Scott Anderson????
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Scott Anderson
Sent: Monday, October 14, 1996 8:59 PM
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
Subject: RE: I Saw The Light promo...
At 08:24 PM 10/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey Scott, what is the catalog number on that cd, if I am not asking too much?
>
>Vonn "Devo"
well i never! some folks are so rude! ;) it's BSK 6743
scott. :)
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: FW: I Saw The Light promo...
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 19:50:45 -0400
Message-ID: <19961015234941.AAA23432@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
God will remind us of what we already know,
that the human race is about to reap what it's sown.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: Bambang
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 1996 7:33 PM
To: "Vonn F. Campbell"
Subject: Re: FW: I Saw The Light promo...
At 04:43 PM 10/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Is anyone else receiving HUNDREDS of the following duplicate message from
Scott Anderson????
>
>Vonn "Devo"
>
Not I. Cut him off, cut him down, never a frown, for you've wiped him out...
I asked the angels for inspiration, the devil he bought me a drink - cheers,
Bambang
------------------------------
From: Mailer-Daemon@worldlink.ca
SUBJECT: Once and for all JOhnny is gonny!!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:18:45 -0400
Message-Id: <199610160118.VAA23937@beacon.worldlink.ca>
ELECTRONIC
MARR AND SUMNER - BUILDING A PERFECT RELATIONSHIP
It might have started as a side project for Johnny Marr and Bernard
Sumner but, having spent the best part of two years working on their
second album, Raise The Pressure, the pair have announced that
Electronic is now their full-time occupation.
As Marr says, "We're not going away now." He will no longer be the
guitar-for-hire, which has dominated his post-Smiths career, while
Sumner is keen to move on from what he describes as the stifling
democracy of New Order. "We've already started making the next album,"
he says.
Raise The Pressure is a finely crafted confection of memorable pop
songs, uplifting dance anthems and one irresistible, possible pop
classic as a first single. "You just make something that turns you
on," Sumner says, "The amount of music we've kicked by the wayside,
because it didn't have that vital spark, has been unbelievable."
The album was recorded in their own studio in Manchester - which used
to be Marr's home. Marr says, "Two years ago, we locked ourselves away
and we've only just come out." He adds that perfectionism and
obsessiveness has been at the core of their understanding, along with
a shared love of dance music. "When we started working together, we
found out that, musically, the two of us are control freaks. Now we
both have to be working in exactly the same direction, so we both get
to be control freaks."
Having established a working relationship on the first album, they're
now hitting their stride. Marr says, "If I'm working on something, I'm
really obsessed about it. I can trust Bernard to work on it and it
will actually be better when I come back to it, and vice versa."
As with the first Electronic album, Marr says, "It was a case of all
hands to the pump in terms of production." The result is, however,
distinctly different from the 1991 album. The sound is more open and
vibrant, swings fairly evenly between dance and pop moods, and has
less in common with the Pet Shop Boys - no doubt due to the fact Neil
Tennant and Chris Lowe have not contributed to this one. Instead,
Raise The Pressure features another "third member", Karl Bartos,
formerly of the German synth pioneering legends Kraftwerk. Sumner
says, "One of the frustrations I felt in New Order was that it caused
a lot of political problems within the group if you wanted to work
with someone else, so Electronic has become a nucleus of me and
Johnny, with guest artists coming in for an album or a song. On the
first album, it was Neil and Chris, on this album, it's been Karl."
Bartos has made a fully fledged contribution, writing and/or playing
as an equal member on about half the album and introducing some
diverting, leftfield synth sounds on tracks such as Until The End Of
Time and If You've Got Love.
But the album also features a noticeable shift in the balance between
synthesiser and guitar. "I do play a little more guitar on this one,"
says Marr. He admits that part of the initial attraction of the
Electronic project was to play down the clichéd image of the
rock'n'roll guitarist that he felt he was becoming saddled with. "I
was very conscious of being bagged as a pseudo Ronnie Woods-type. I
may have been a bit guitar shy on the first album but, if you're given
the opportunity to be more than just the guitar player, you're going
to take full advantage of it."
When they began making this album, Marr initially wanted it to be a
purist electro record, in the area of artists like Mantronix and John
Robey. Sumner adds, "To me, instruments, whether they're synthesisers
or guitars, go in and out of vogue, like flares. But what always
remains is a good strong song. I wanted to work with Johnny, not
because he was a fantastic guitarist but because he was a fantastic
songwriter."
Exhibit A of Marr's songwriting abilities on this album is the first
single Forbidden City, released in the UK on June 24. It is a gorgeous
and hugely memorable pop song, which avoids the painstaking effort of
virtually everything else on the album. He says, "It is the most
immediate song I've ever been involved with. I was working on another
track, Freefall, which couldn't be more different. There was a break
in the music for about two minutes and I heard the entire track come
down. I only stopped twice to figure out what chord I was playing,
sent the tape over to Bernard, he changed a couple of chords and did
the lyrics and vocals all in one afternoon."
According to Sumner, the lyrics to Forbidden City are from the
perspective of a young man about his relationship with his abusive
father. Although it is fiction, Sumner adds, "Brought up as an only
child, I tend to see things through my eyes and my view of other
people".
Writing lyrics was not always so straightforward for Sumner, who
admits he put pressure on himself by only writing the words when they
were satisfied they had a good album musically. "For months, it was a
constant process of writing lyrics, singing them and changing them. I
don't think I'll repeat that," he says.
Sumner has an ambivalent relationship with the whole creative
process. "I feel that if I know how I do it, I won't be able to do
it," he says. Because of this lack of "technique", he feels he almost
has to relearn how to do it each time he writes a new song. He says
this was a real problem in New Order. "After we came back from a tour
to make a new album, it would take months to regain the confidence and
the knowledge," he says, which is one reason he wants to continue
working on material for Electronic.
There is another difference these days for Sumner. "In the past, I
would write music by getting partially or totally inebriated in the
studio, one way or another," he says, "but it was affecting my health
long term, so I write clean now. "I come from a punk background and
music was a good way of getting girls, and money. But my reason for
doing it has changed. It's much more of an intellectual thing. Now I
see it as more of a craft, that I want to continue to get better at."
Both men talk about entering into new, healthier phases of their lives
during the making of Raise The Pressure. They certainly look fit and
relaxed and they complement each other, in more ways than one. You get
the impression that Sumner provides the creative intensity and
direction that Marr can gel with, while the more easy-going Marr
provides the right kind of foil for the introspective Sumner.
Signed to Parlophone in the UK, they have been largely left to their
own devices. Managing director Tony Wadsworth says, "They don't need
our help to make an album, although we had to put a marker down
otherwise they might have gone on forever refining it."
What is the philosophy behind the album? "Not to be muso or make music
for other musicians or producers," says Marr. The pair have not made
many concessions to fashion and the production does not break through
new barriers of dance or pop. But, throughout, the energy never wanes.
Wadsworth says, "It's very satisfying to hear people who have so much
experience with so much energy. There are two sides to this record and
neither is particularly responsible for one or the other. But within
the album they have brought the key strands of the best of British pop
from the past 15 years."
by David Knight
------------------------------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from steamer@clearcom.net
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 11:54:20 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199610161654.LAA19174@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
a note from ex-listie kevin regarding drums on the new album..
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 09:29:00 +0000
From: Kevin
To: behfar@cs.uchicago.edu
[...]
(you may wish to forward the following to the list)
"I read recently on the list about Earl Harvin, somebody mentioned his
Jazz group. I thought I should share the fact that he is also a very
powerful tribal drummer, and is in a band called Rubber Bullet on Last
Beat Records. My band opened for them last summer and this dude is a
hard-hitting motherfucker. If any the The fans want to hear his work,
maybe get a "feel" preview, they should get their most recent release. I
don't know the title, but it is a '96 release. It may be called "open".
Don't think for a minute that he is a jazz-only player. I ran into him
at a party and tried to grind some info out of him concerning the new
the The stuff. He would not tell me about the songs, only that the drums
were recorded through a guitar amp at some point. You never know, but I
expect some slamming grooves from MJ on this next one."
The funny thing about all this is I was going to ask Earl if he would
join our band, only to find out he was going to play with The master
himself. Small stinking planet, this is... Later Behfar, Kevin
- ------- end -------
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From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: lyrics
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:16:49 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961018011535.286f138a@student.anu.edu.au>
i must say that the mail on this list comes and goes like the tide.....
in response to the mail dealing with mj's dodgy lyrics, that is lyrics that
appear to fall below par: the one line which leaves a bitter after taste is,
"and while all the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths wide
open". i think it's because niggers is such a misused and ofttimes defiled
word; mj could have avoided possible offense and pejorative interpretations
to convey his idea.
that's what i think. on the other hand the lyric that i utterly enjoy, to
the deep well of my soul is "oh the lights that now burn brightest behind
stained glass, will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart".
particulary though i admire his affirmation that "GOD doesn't even go to
church". i reckon that's cool and encompasses so very much, so many ideas
that i possess.
ultimately i say that mj is a poet in soul and a musician in spirit and a
synthesis of the two.
I asked the angels for inspiration, the devil he bought me a drink - cheers,
Bambang
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Violence of truth
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:47:06
Message-Id: <199610171956.PAA24754@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>"and while all the niggers of this world are starving with their
>mouths wide open". i think it's because niggers is such a misused
and oft times defiled
>word; mj could have avoided possible offense and pejorative
>interpretations to convey his idea."
Matt's not out to make friends with his music.
Thus, I'll have to disagree. This line JUMPS out and GRABS at you.
It forces you to go get that lyric book out and start...learning.
It forces you to think about your own position on the matter.
Matt's more than a singer to me--he's almost a teacher. In fact,
I've learned far more reading, listening, and thinking about his
lyrics than many of the courses I took in college!
JaY!
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -General Email:luster@gnn.com
- -"Draize Train" Email list: lsamper_marr@indiana.edu
- -HOME PAGE:http://members.gnn.com/luster/
- -JOHNNY MARR:http://members.gnn.com/luster/Iknow.htm
...more than you'll...ever...know
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From: ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca (Yan Wong)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Violence of truth
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:54:21 -0600
Message-Id: <199610180054.SAA02270@enme-n.enme>
> "what is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
> tokens?"
>
> Now, there are several ways to view this line. My interpretation is
> that if we are trying to rid ourselves of guilt for our racism, slavery,
> rape, genocide etc. by putting money in a jar marked "charity", we are
> not facing the root of the matter, which is that we still feel inside
> that we are better than these people. We are greedy, we are selfish,
> perhaps not with money alone. What he says to me is that money without
> true compassion and understanding will never solve the problem. "That's
> why human beings still walk on all fours, whilst in the presence of
> their so-called superiors".
>
> Another interpretation is "if all these people have all this money sent
> to them and they are still hungry, they can't be all that smart."
> Somehow I don't think this, or any related interpretation, is what ol'
> MJ was trying to say, especially given the personal confessional nature
> of the 2nd half of the album. I also don't think he is supporting the
> Right wing notion that all forms of socialism are to be abolished.
wow, you know I never thought of this second interpretation at all... yes, I
guess when viewed this way, I can understand why there is a warning of explicit
lyrics on "Mind Bomb"... I guess I've always identified MJ as a man of great
compassion so I never looked at the lyrics meaning anything other than a blast
at his own race (damn them whities) for taking the "easy way out" in trying to
solve the issue of racial injustice... and I also think that the "worthless
little tokens" are seen as such by blacks as well... it's easy enough for
anybody to throw money at a problem but without emotional conviction behind it,
it does nothing to solve the problem, as Kevin has already stated... this is why
the problem between races has perpetuated... look at the United States for
example... this topic is particular apt considering the Welfare reform that was
put into place last week... white folks, in my opinion, are beginning to get
angry at the ostensible ingratitude of blacks who receive much of their
"charitable welfare"... I think the rich and white see discontent and rebellion
as a sign of ingratitude since they do not understand that what the blacks
really want is an acknowledgement of the hidden prejudices that still exist...
or, I might just be talking out of my ass where I hide my milk duds since I'm a
Canadian and blissfully ignorant...
thanks for the thread Ryan, aka asshole Rick... you were a little indiscreet
with that Forwarded post but hell, since you're pretty much the most active
participant of this here list, we can forgive ya...
Yan
------------------------------
From: A Cosmic Slut Production
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Violence of truth
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:51:00 -0500
Message-ID: <32671ABC.24F8@clearcom.net>
Bambang wrote this about the best the The song ever:
"...fall below par: the one line which leaves a bitter after taste is,
"and while all the niggers of this world are starving with their mouths
wide
open". i think it's because niggers is such a misused and ofttimes
defiled
word; mj could have avoided possible offense and pejorative
interpretations
to convey his idea."
Bambang, the lyrics are not below par on a musical level. There is a
political line being challenged, however, and it is this that you find
disagreeable. When I first heard the line, I had to listen back a few
times, and then finally read it in the insert, to understand that he was
actually saying that line, putting himself in the line of fire. If one
were to look at Mind Bomb a hundred years from now, it would be clear
that he was not out to offend. The following line has a great deal to
do with the context of what he is asserting:
"what is it that turns the coins we throw at them into worthless little
tokens?"
Now, there are several ways to view this line. My interpretation is
that if we are trying to rid ourselves of guilt for our racism, slavery,
rape, genocide etc. by putting money in a jar marked "charity", we are
not facing the root of the matter, which is that we still feel inside
that we are better than these people. We are greedy, we are selfish,
perhaps not with money alone. What he says to me is that money without
true compassion and understanding will never solve the problem. "That's
why human beings still walk on all fours, whilst in the presence of
their so-called superiors".
Another interpretation is "if all these people have all this money sent
to them and they are still hungry, they can't be all that smart."
Somehow I don't think this, or any related interpretation, is what ol'
MJ was trying to say, especially given the personal confessional nature
of the 2nd half of the album. I also don't think he is supporting the
Right wing notion that all forms of socialism are to be abolished.
As for the word "nigger" itself, well, I never use it, I am angered
when I hear it, and I am fully aware of the implications of it. It
certainly gets attention.
John Lennon sang "woman is the nigger of the world". I wonder if MJ
was referring to this beautiful song? Peace, kevin
PS- listen to this song in headphones and focus on the drums. The snare
drum is incredible. Edible, even.
------------------------------
From: Behfar Bastani-Booshehri
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: forwarded message from Mick Sleeper
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:23:09 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <199610171823.NAA09790@gargoyle164.cs.uchicago.edu>
- ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) -------
From: sleeper@oanet.com (Mick Sleeper)
To: THETHEXXX@aol.com
Subject: New The The page!
Cc: fabiol@io.com, joonas@jazz.cc.spt.fi, infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu,
thethe@wpi.edu
Hello everybody,
Allow me to introduce myself. My name's Mick Sleeper, long time The The fan
and creator of the WWW's newest The The page, "Slow Train To Dawn" (URL
address below). It went online as of midnight October 16. Please check it
out, tell me what you think, and tell everyone you know!
Mick Sleeper
PS: Links to all of your pages are already installed.
==========================================
Anyone can be what they want to be - but be the right thing.
- Burning Spear
Charlie don't surf, but we think he should:
http://www.oanet.com/homepage/sleeper/scratch.htm &
http://www.oanet.com/homepage/sleeper/thethe.htm
==========================================
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From: Genepool@aol.com
To: rwick@osf1.gmu.edu, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Pleasure Test Spam
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:58:24 -0400
Message-ID: <961017165824_213504123@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Rick,
You are an asshole for sending this to our list.
Thank you,
Steve
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: Genepool@aol.com
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Pleasure Test Spam
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 17:12:00 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
I think you mean Ryan.Anyways, sorry if I offended you or anyone else,
hopefully you would have realised that this was not my intention before
you pegged me for an asshole. I just thought it was a good way to get a
point across-the asshole Rick
On Thu, 17 Oct 1996 Genepool@aol.com wrote:
> Rick,
> You are an asshole for sending this to our list.
>
> Thank you,
> Steve
>
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From: luster@gnn.com (Now I can hardly breath...)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: message from Mick Sleeper
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 00:06:23
Message-Id: <199610180414.AAA11547@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>Allow me to introduce myself. My name's Mick Sleeper, long time
The The fan
>and creator of the WWW's newest The The page, "Slow Train To Dawn"
(URL
>address below).
a VERY nice site!
>PS: Links to all of your pages are already installed.
Not quite...
JaY!
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From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: FW: Violence of truth
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 22:00:18 -0400
Message-ID: <19961018015900.AAA25466@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
A few simple words: I fully agree!
Vonn "Devo"
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From: luster@gnn.com (Beatles, Smiths, luster, flat 7?)
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 1996 11:47 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Violence of truth
>"and while all the niggers of this world are starving with their
>mouths wide open". i think it's because niggers is such a misused
and oft times defiled
>word; mj could have avoided possible offense and pejorative
>interpretations to convey his idea."
Matt's not out to make friends with his music.
Thus, I'll have to disagree. This line JUMPS out and GRABS at you.
It forces you to go get that lyric book out and start...learning.
It forces you to think about your own position on the matter.
Matt's more than a singer to me--he's almost a teacher. In fact,
I've learned far more reading, listening, and thinking about his
lyrics than many of the courses I took in college!
JaY!
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From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: DROGAS???
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 01:49:02 EST
Message-Id: <199610180512.FAA14171@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
There have been a few posts regarding drug use by MJ. I would like to
know if this has any validity to it.
I have experimented with a vast variety of drugs personally, so I really
can't b!tch about usage itself, but insofar as lyrical/musical
inspiration? All of my inspiration has always come from pain,
autumn and grey drizzly nights... I would hate to think that what I
have considered to be quite touching in a personal way is nothing more
than drug-induced drivel spewing forth from the b0wels of a soulless
individual that is so entirely devoid of feeling that he need to resort
to chemicals to alter his state accordingly...
PLEASE someone clarify this issue for me!!!!
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
I will have lost such a grand amount of respect...
Clear your mind, man! Experience life as it comes - you will find the
pain that much sweeter when not obscured by the entertaining world of
drugs. You might even recall some of it! .
>From the swollen heart of a truly masochistic girl, the original Sick
Slave
"...the soul on fire scribbling thoughts for prosperity...."
"OH THIS FEELING INSIDE RUNS DARK AND DEEP
TONIGHT MY HEART'S NOT THUMPING
A MERCY BEAT"
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too tense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sent- and Hell bent.." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
------------------------------
From: "Vonn F. Campbell"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: DROGAS???
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 96 19:49:39 -0400
Message-ID: <19961018234820.AAA1778@CAMPBELLV.CRYOVAC.COM>
I feel confident Matt's use of drugs is very true. However, I also feel, with or without the drugs, Matt's talent, perception, drive, and ability to create the most profound lyrics will always exist. Water boils whether it is purified or tainted.
Vonn "Devo"
- ----------
From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
Sent: Friday, October 18, 1996 2:49 AM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: DROGAS???
There have been a few posts regarding drug use by MJ. I would like to
know if this has any validity to it.
I have experimented with a vast variety of drugs personally, so I really
can't b!tch about usage itself, but insofar as lyrical/musical
inspiration? All of my inspiration has always come from pain,
autumn and grey drizzly nights... I would hate to think that what I
have considered to be quite touching in a personal way is nothing more
than drug-induced drivel spewing forth from the b0wels of a soulless
individual that is so entirely devoid of feeling that he need to resort
to chemicals to alter his state accordingly...
PLEASE someone clarify this issue for me!!!!
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!
I will have lost such a grand amount of respect...
Clear your mind, man! Experience life as it comes - you will find the
pain that much sweeter when not obscured by the entertaining world of
drugs. You might even recall some of it! .
>From the swollen heart of a truly masochistic girl, the original Sick
Slave
"...the soul on fire scribbling thoughts for prosperity...."
"OH THIS FEELING INSIDE RUNS DARK AND DEEP
TONIGHT MY HEART'S NOT THUMPING
A MERCY BEAT"
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too tense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sent- and Hell bent.." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
------------------------------
From: Joshua D Baze
To: Racine Bratcher
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: DROGAS???
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 12:41:58 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:
This is josh, and Imnew to the infected list and very excited about it.
sorry to disappoint, but matt is a frequent user of drugs. I don't know
if you've seen the interview he did for volume magazine, but he refered
to albums by the drug which helped serve to induce them. Infected-the
cocaine album, etc. There have been many other cases of matta relaying
his usage in the press. He took sedatives for the I saw the Light video
shoot, and in Morrissey and Marr: the severed allaince, matta spok eof
how good morning beautiful was created, saying he kept feeding johnny
more and more drugs til it started coming out right. for the dogs of
lust video, matt wanted heat and claustrophobia, so besides bringing in
three industrial grade airport hangar heater, he and johnny"shared a
bottle of tequila and took fistfuls of downers."
whether or not these drugs impair/ heighten matts musical genius is
another question.
whats the word on the new album? who's in the band? eric schermerhorn
just recorded they might be f'in giants new album, and may tour with them.
is he still part of the"gun sluts"- or whatever the current project is
called-band? is it still supposed to be "pychotically melodic?" I hope
Im not treading old ground with these questions; im stuck out in the
middle of kansas and am thrilled at the opportunity to meet other the the
fans.
who else do you all like? have you ever heard grant lee buffalo-they're
another of my favorites. if you havent heard 16 horsepower yet, RUN to a
record shop now. they are a rock band fueled with the kind of tortureed
country soul hanky panky captured, only much more organic-they're
insturments are all nearly 100 years old, yet there are no remnants of
folk music. whiskey-driven rock.
talk to you later-
josh
------------------------------
From: "Melissa Cannon"
To: "Joshua D Baze"
Cc: "Infected Mailing List"
Subject: Re: DROGAS???
Date: 18 Oct 1996 12:54:07 -0700
Message-Id:
RE>>DROGAS??? =
10/18/96
I believe that question can only be answered by the man himself. So =
unless he grants an interview in the near future or gets on the list, =
we're not going to know anytime soon.
As someone who has never experimented with drugs (too many reasons to =
list why not, but believe me, there have been times where I have =
seriously regretted it), I'm curious as to what effect it can have on the =
artistic process. I know that for me, I can only take introspective view =
of my life with a clear head. However, alcohol can put me in QUITE a =
mood. And yes, I do realize that alcohol is a drug, but for all intensive =
purposes, I am referring to the illegal ones.
So how about it people, do you prefer to (sing, dance, write, =
paint,whatever) sober or stoned?
- --------------------------------------
Date: 10/18/96 11:37 AM
To: Melissa Cannon
From: Joshua D Baze
This is josh, and Imnew to the infected list and very excited about it.
sorry to disappoint, but matt is a frequent user of drugs. I don't know
if you've seen the interview he did for volume magazine, but he refered
to albums by the drug which helped serve to induce them. Infected-the
cocaine album, etc. There have been many other cases of matta relaying
his usage in the press. He took sedatives for the I saw the Light video
shoot, and in Morrissey and Marr: the severed allaince, matta spok eof
how good morning beautiful was created, saying he kept feeding johnny
more and more drugs til it started coming out right. for the dogs of
lust video, matt wanted heat and claustrophobia, so besides bringing in
three industrial grade airport hangar heater, he and johnny"shared a
bottle of tequila and took fistfuls of downers."
whether or not these drugs impair/ heighten matts musical genius is
another question.
------------------------------
From: Bambang
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: my reply
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 03:12:29 +1000
Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19961020031050.1d37f2d2@student.anu.edu.au>
I take note of all the opposition I received after posting a
suggestion of dodgy lyrics within an theThe song. Thank you for making my
thoughts on the matter clearer. I now state simply and concisely that "The
Violence of Truth" is not a commentary on religion, religious observance and
religious precepts within political behaviour. It is more particular than
that. I had thought originally that the song was questioning religious
beliefs universally, and thus the word "niggers" seemed either out of place
(seeing as how religions are practiced throughout the world) or a very
suspect reference to non-whites. However this sat uneasily and had been
troubling me for a long time; only recently have I begun to think about Mind
Bomb again. (Life was full of ups and downs, you see). That was the reason
I brought the line up in this here forum.
I've come up with a more holistic interpretation: that johnson was
referring more particularly with the western tradition, not religion in
general, but how religion in the western world had become a weapon for pain
and violence as well as an obstacle to the wellbeing of the rest of humanity
in one sense, and the whole of humanity in another. He concludes with an
answer to those old questions of what is evil, what is love, what is beauty,
what is truth, etc, the questions that have kept philosophers, religious
scholars, and musicians awake many a night, that God is all of them and
more, suggesting that God cannot therefore be used to justify one of them
above the other - ie that which is good and that which is evil; and, as the
regimes have done for so many years, and continue to do, by declaring only
some things good, and the rest evil, these regimes have consequently by
their own actions turned against God. If God is all, then condemnation of
this or that is condemnation of God- and those who do this are the forces of
darkness supressing the spirit of man.
Having spewed forth my thoughts for you all I now retire to the warm
bed (or half of it) awaiting me this night.
I asked the angels for inspiration, the devil he bought me a drink - cheers,
Bambang
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From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Major Let-Down...
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 15:22:58 EST
Message-Id: <199610191914.TAA06942@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
Ack! them to the list - I can only seem to auto-reply to the individiual -
and this is an issue here...>
So many people insinuate the capacity for drugs to elevate the level of
conciousness, or expand creative abilities...
Although most drugs do admittedly allow you see things with a different
persepective, and even introduce oneself to new ways of thinking, most
drugs do mental damage as well. It's a risk for each individual to
decide themselves. I personally cannot give MJ an ounce of credit for
the creations he has under the influence. If you're not in tune with
yourself enough to get there on your own, what makes you think drugs
will help?
Sure - Native Americans have varied rituals invloving peyote etc., and
as much respect as I have for that particular nation, I can't appreciate
the use of mind-altering substance, herbal, natural or otherwise, for
creative purposes. For a kick, sure, but not for an elevated level of
spirituality.
Do you know what I did to heighten my senses, alter my perception, and
get a different outlook on life? It was the greatest psychological
challenge I ever elected to embark on...
I chose to go into slavery voluntarily. Aside from the utter and
absolute cleansing of my physical body through colonic session, I
experienced a cleansing of all previous mental experience and
programming - I was cleansed and purged - and my mind was freed to fully
experience everything that slavery entailed. There was sensory
deprivation, which was an awesome experience S&M/B&D thing try a tank> - in that on occasion I was bound and
blindfolded - with all the restraints of the physical world behind, my
only resourced were my ears and mind. I was able to distinguish the
sound of my Master's vehicle from several miles away...I was able to
TRULY experience various musical selections - but most of all, I was
truly able to look deep within myself objectively, and see all the naked
emotions within myself.
Granted, it is a dangerous path, as once you have given yourself over to
someone in that aspect, it is difficult to return into society. It
took me over 2 years. Many people have difficulty with authority
figures etc., but if you choose your Master/Mistress wisely, and you
find a tender individual who wants to mold you into something you don't
have the strength to do alone - you will find your strength through
temporary loss of your own will. Sounds contradictory, but it is one
hell of an experience. Yes, indeed, many of my poetic/musical works
were inspired by the experiences I endured in slavery - and one day I
may allow the public to get a taste. But drugs? Oh, no. The beatings
were mentally empowering, as my threshold and tolerance levels increased
dramatically, and my levels of patience and tolerace exceed any I've
ever seen before. It is something I have taken great pride in, but am
truly glad it was not a permanent situation.
Feedback? BTW - MJ - you can just take a seat now. I am SO
dissapointed. Anyone know if any of his work was done clean? And if
so, how would you compare it to the drug-induced works? His work is
fantastic, but no longer respectable, nor personally touching. The
feelings and thoughts he expresses were some of my own - but his were
only felt after mind-altering substances allowed him to. I pity the
poor man without a soul. DOES HE TRULY KNOW THE FEELING OF THE BURNING
SOUL!?!?!?!? I doubt it. :( SOB
"Life would be so dull without Nasty Habits..." - Danny Elfman
"I'm too tense to be tender..." - Matt Johnson
"Heaven sent- and Hell bent.." - Matt Johnson
The sweetest flower in the valley - the sickest joke in the book...
------------------------------
From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Major Let-Down...
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 02:19:42 EST
Message-Id: <199610210613.GAA19014@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
>X-No-Archive: yes
>
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>> Racine writes:
>>
>> > I can't appreciate
>> > the use of mind-altering substance, herbal, natural or otherwise,
> for
>> > creative purposes. For a kick, sure, but not for an elevated
> level of
>> > spirituality.
>>
>>
>> Well, that says it all. You are so deep, Racine.
>>
>> I think he may have done some of his more spiritually meaningful
> work after a colonic and some S&M fantasy play...wow probably
> opened his chakras...would you appreciate that more?
Hm - did you forget about the effects of sensory deprivation? Do you
not have to release yourself from the physical world in order to attune
yourself with the spiritual?
>> He's a lyricist and a musician, not a bloody spiritual leader,
> Racine!
Not to hear the folks here tell it ...
>> If this is enough to give you a major letdown, you are indeed
> naive about the real world.
As a musician, I am truly and deeply upset that a man with such a large
following and such profound influence over a wide variety of people
would find his inspiration in drugs, thusly deeming
it acceptable. I am further upset by the fact that I foolishly allowed
myself to respect him as a lyricist/musician under the assumption that
his work was pure. Excuse me for being an idiot.
>> Lea
"There's life underground..." - Just Another Day - Danny Elfman
"Life would be so dull without nasty habits." - Nasty Habits - Elfman
"The sweetest flower in the valley, the sickest joke in the book" Revco
"Life intimidates art." - DPA MacManus - 20% Amsesia
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Racine Bratcher
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Major Let-Down...
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:14:26 -0700
Message-ID: <326B9352.7D12@sirius.com>
> Racine writes:
>
> > Excuse me for being an idiot.
The world is full of idiots, slaves and masters , too.
No Problem.
Lea
------------------------------
From: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Major Let-Down...
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 02:26:44 EST
Message-Id: <199610210613.GAA19026@gatecoms.gatecom.com>
>For what length of time did your Master leave you blindfolded
> and bound?
>And what did you do when you had to ur!nate? Did Master lead
> you to the bathroom and help you, untie you? How the hell
> does that work?
>
The length of time never exceed 6 hours - and yes, when he returned I
was released, except for the collar and the attatched 25 foot length of
industrial strength chain. Wasn't it a b!tch to bathe? Yes. The chain
reached just long enough to allow travel throughout the house as not to
impair housekeeping duties, and about 2 feet out the front door to get
the mail. Yes, the collar remained on at all times, even in public!
For bathing, the chain was attatched to an ankle shackle, so I could
have tub baths with one foot hanging over. Water's no good for leather
OR metal .
"There's life underground..." - Just Another Day - Danny Elfman
"Life would be so dull without nasty habits." - Nasty Habits - Elfman
"The sweetest flower in the valley, the sickest joke in the book" Revco
"Life intimidates art." - DPA MacManus - 20% Amsesia
------------------------------
From: Christian Schmalz
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
CC: slave@bbs.gatecom.com (Racine Bratcher)
Subject: Re: Major Let-Down...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:29:23 +0000
Message-Id: <199610240729.JAA05161@hermes.rz.uni-sb.de>
Normally I consider myself to be openminded and being able to
appreciate different opinions, but I have some major problems in
accepting Racines points about MJ, drugs and S&M.
Racine wrote:
> I personally cannot give MJ an ounce of credit for
> the creations he has under the influence. If you're not in tune with
> yourself enough to get there on your own, what makes you think drugs
> will help?
> (..)
> I can't appreciate
> the use of mind-altering substance, herbal, natural or otherwise, for
> creative purposes. For a kick, sure, but not for an elevated level of
> spirituality.
Still MJ gets a message across that moves many of us, touches our
souls in the most hidden spots - if MJ needed drugs for that, please
go ahead this way ! I' m thankful for the effect on me.
> Do you know what I did to heighten my senses, alter my perception, and
> get a different outlook on life? It was the greatest psychological
> challenge I ever elected to embark on...
> I chose to go into slavery voluntarily. Aside from the utter and
> absolute cleansing of my physical body through colonic session, I
> experienced a cleansing of all previous mental experience and
> programming - I was cleansed and purged - and my mind was freed to fully
> experience everything that slavery entailed. There was sensory
> deprivation, which was an awesome experience > S&M/B&D thing try a tank> - in that on occasion I was bound and
> blindfolded - with all the restraints of the physical world behind, my
> only resourced were my ears and mind. I was able to distinguish the
> sound of my Master's vehicle from several miles away...I was able to
> TRULY experience various musical selections - but most of all, I was
> truly able to look deep within myself objectively, and see all the naked
> emotions within myself.
> Granted, it is a dangerous path, as once you have given yourself over to
> someone in that aspect, it is difficult to return into society. It
> took me over 2 years. Many people have difficulty with authority
> figures etc., but if you choose your Master/Mistress wisely, and you
> find a tender individual who wants to mold you into something you don't
> have the strength to do alone - you will find your strength through
> temporary loss of your own will. Sounds contradictory, but it is one
> hell of an experience. Yes, indeed, many of my poetic/musical works
> were inspired by the experiences I endured in slavery - and one day I
> may allow the public to get a taste. But drugs? Oh, no. The beatings
> were mentally empowering, as my threshold and tolerance levels increased
> dramatically, and my levels of patience and tolerace exceed any I've
> ever seen before. It is something I have taken great pride in, but am
> truly glad it was not a permanent situation.
Either you are damn show-off or you just must be kidding, to descibe
your way through slavery as a suitable and recommendable way to alter
your perception, to influence your creativity. To be honest with you
it never took me two years to find my way back to integration into social
life even after the "biggest" creative kick, induced by mind-altering
substances.
I' ve definetly no problem with S&M, Bondage an all related
things, but I`m not sure if you have chosen the right forum.
I guess, I simply didn't get the point you wanted to make...
> Feedback? BTW - MJ - you can just take a seat now. I am SO
> dissapointed. Anyone know if any of his work was done clean? And if
> so, how would you compare it to the drug-induced works? His work is
> fantastic, but no longer respectable, nor personally touching. The
> feelings and thoughts he expresses were some of my own - but his were
> only felt after mind-altering substances allowed him to. I pity the
> poor man without a soul. DOES HE TRULY KNOW THE FEELING OF THE BURNING
> SOUL!?!?!?!? I doubt it. :( SOB
He has choosen his way, you have choosen yours. So what's your
problem ?
Ciao
Christian
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
The more I see
The less I know
About all the things I thought were wrong and right
& carved in stone.
Matt Johnson
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
Germany
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------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Racine Bratcher
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Major Let-Down...
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:57:44 -0700
Message-ID: <326A4BF8.40D1@sirius.com>
X-No-Archive: yes
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Racine writes:
>
> > I can't appreciate
> > the use of mind-altering substance, herbal, natural or otherwise, for
> > creative purposes. For a kick, sure, but not for an elevated level of
> > spirituality.
>
>
> Well, that says it all. You are so deep, Racine.
>
> I think he may have done some of his more spiritually meaningful work after a colonic and some S&M fantasy play...wow probably opened his chakras...would you appreciate that more?
>
> He's a lyricist and a musician, not a bloody spiritual leader, Racine!
> If this is enough to give you a major letdown, you are indeed naive about the real world.
>
> Lea
------------------------------
From: luster@gnn.com (Now I can hardly breath...)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Stupid
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 03:08:11
Message-Id: <199610200716.DAA27631@mail-e2b.gnn.com>
>Racine- You are a fucking idiot.
Now Kevin, this wasn't really necessary...
Apologize or go to your room. Everyone on this list knows I try to
set the standard for "proper" behavior!
Outside influences, whether orally
>taken or shoved in a willing ass, affect us.
you've taken a statement, that while very true, needs to have an
index in order for it to make any sense. ie, we could all debate
HOW MUCH these things influenced him. If it was very minor...then
they're irrelevant!
Matt deserves no credit
>anyway, art is channelled.
now this is BS.
JaY!
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...more than you'll...ever...know
------------------------------
From: Kevin
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Stupid
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:41:32 -0500
Message-ID: <326A2BEE.4F87@clearcom.net>
Racine- You are a fucking idiot. Outside influences, whether orally
taken or shoved in a willing ass, affect us. Matt deserves no credit
anyway, art is channelled. He is an antenna. Fuck you, freak. I hope I
never read any of your stupid bullshit again, dumbass.
Just kidding. I found this VERY interesting. Or something.
Feedback? BTW - MJ - you can just take a seat now. I am SO
dissapointed. Anyone know if any of his work was done clean? And if
so, how would you compare it to the drug-induced works? His work is
fantastic, but no longer respectable, nor personally touching. The
feelings and thoughts he expresses were some of my own - but his were
only felt after mind-altering substances allowed him to. I pity the
poor man without a soul. DOES HE TRULY KNOW THE FEELING OF THE BURNING
SOUL!?!?!?!? I doubt it. :( SOB
------------------------------
From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: What Girls Like
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 02:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Please show mercy for what I'm about to say, but I've been puzzled by
this riddle for quite a long while now. What exactly do women like about
the the's music? In my darkest hours I've always been comforted by fact
Matt gets just as lost in women as he does with alcohol or religion. Yes, I
know his music is supposed to cross all sexual barriers and be accessable to
everyone who chooses to become infected. It's just if I were a
woman, I might not appreciate (or want to for that matter) the the on the
same level as a man. This being because women are the "enemy" in many of
Matts' songs, heartless soul crushers out to shatter the fragile egos of men.
Its really hard to be honest without pretending not to be sexist so why bother
I'd like to finish by saying that although I've actually never met a girl
that was a hardcore the the fan, I still think its cool that your out their
somewhere. By the way, I'm not the shit I appear to be, I just have a
knack for causing trouble, as you my have already guessed-Ryan
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From: Andrzej=Olaczek%prac%aipsa@aipsa.ita.pwr.wroc.pl
To: rwick@osf1.gmu.edu
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: re: What Girls Like
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 96 14:06:57 EDT
Message-Id: <199610211154.GAA26348@cs.uchicago.edu>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Please show mercy for what I'm about to say, but I've been puzzled by
this riddle for quite a long while now. What exactly do women like about
the the's music? In my darkest hours I've always been comforted by fact
Matt gets just as lost in women as he does with alcohol or religion. Yes, I
know his music is supposed to cross all sexual barriers and be accessable to
everyone who chooses to become infected. It's just if I were a
woman, I might not appreciate (or want to for that matter) the the on the
same level as a man. This being because women are the "enemy" in many of
Matts' songs, heartless soul crushers out to shatter the fragile egos of men.
Its really hard to be honest without pretending not to be sexist so why
bother
I'd like to finish by saying that although I've actually never met a girl
that was a hardcore the the fan, I still think its cool that your out their
somewhere. By the way, I'm not the shit I appear to be, I just have a
knack for causing trouble, as you my have already guessed-Ryan
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My girlfriend - Natalia - is a really hard ... hard ... hardcore
the The fan. Unfortunately you'll never meet her. Unless you come to
Poland...
_______
Andrzej Olaczek
private : andol@ita.pwr.wroc.pl
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From: Christian Schmalz
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
CC: lea@sirius.com
Subject: RE: Re: What Girls Like
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:48:15 +0000
Message-Id: <199610221548.RAA19819@hermes.rz.uni-sb.de>
Lea wrote:
> I think MJ is pretty honest about women, and pretty mystified by them
> as well. He hasn't met his Yoko Ono yet, but that should be rather
> interesting. In short he is everything that has always been impossible
> with our boyfriends. Self centered, driven, looking for mommy, seeking
> the Madonna in the Whore...but he IS refreshingly honest about what a
> stupid game it is. Something that most of our boyfriends are not quite
> up to.
> Just one women's opinion,
A damn right women's opinion. Seen by a man who applauds.
Bye Christian
> Lea (who isn't moved by the Cranberries, as nice as they may be)
>
> also a Joy Divison fan.
>
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
The more I see
The less I know
About all the things I thought were wrong and right
& carved in stone.
Matt Johnson
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
Germany
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From: Christian Schmalz
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
CC: Ryan E Wick
Subject: Re: What Girls Like
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:48:15 +0000
Message-Id: <199610221548.RAA19837@hermes.rz.uni-sb.de>
Ryan wrote:
> Please show mercy for what I'm about to say, but I've been puzzled by
> this riddle for quite a long while now. What exactly do women like about
> the the's music? In my darkest hours I've always been comforted by fact
> Matt gets just as lost in women as he does with alcohol or religion. Yes, I
> know his music is supposed to cross all sexual barriers and be accessable to
> everyone who chooses to become infected. It's just if I were a
> woman, I might not appreciate (or want to for that matter) the the on the
> same level as a man. This being because women are the "enemy" in many of
> Matts' songs, heartless soul crushers out to shatter the fragile egos of men.
> Its really hard to be honest without pretending not to be sexist so why bother
> I'd like to finish by saying that although I've actually never met a girl
> that was a hardcore the the fan, I still think its cool that your out their
> somewhere. By the way, I'm not the shit I appear to be, I just have a
> knack for causing trouble, as you my have already guessed-Ryan
You simply need to find a woman, you appreciate and love in a way
that makes you feel like "Beyond Love". Let her listen to this song
in the right moment - she wont feel like being your enemy !
Bye Christian
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
The more I see
The less I know
About all the things I thought were wrong and right
& carved in stone.
Matt Johnson
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
Germany
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: Christian Schmalz
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: What Girls Like
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:22:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Christian Schmalz wrote:
> Ryan wrote:
>
> > Please show mercy for what I'm about to say, but I've been puzzled by
> > this riddle for quite a long while now. What exactly do women like about
> > the the's music? In my darkest hours I've always been comforted by fact
> > Matt gets just as lost in women as he does with alcohol or religion. Yes, I
> > know his music is supposed to cross all sexual barriers and be accessable to
> > everyone who chooses to become infected. It's just if I were a
> > woman, I might not appreciate (or want to for that matter) the the on the
> > same level as a man. This being because women are the "enemy" in many of
> > Matts' songs, heartless soul crushers out to shatter the fragile egos of men.
> > Its really hard to be honest without pretending not to be sexist so why bother
> > I'd like to finish by saying that although I've actually never met a girl
> > that was a hardcore the the fan, I still think its cool that your out their
> > somewhere. By the way, I'm not the shit I appear to be, I just have a
> > knack for causing trouble, as you my have already guessed-Ryan
>
> You simply need to find a woman, you appreciate and love in a way
> that makes you feel like "Beyond Love". Let her listen to this song
> in the right moment - she wont feel like being your enemy !
>
> Bye Christian
Thanks for the love advice Dr. Christian, I'll take it into
serious consideration. Its just that most girls cringe and don't take
kindly to men feeding from their breasts before their juices run cold.
Sounds kinda kinky/weird to a non the the fan. You know what I mean? Its
not that I've got any problem with it of course. Beyond Love is one
of my all time favorites. Hmmm, I wonder, maybe I should wait until the
second date before I try doing that...-Ryan
>
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
> The more I see
> The less I know
> About all the things I thought were wrong and right
> & carved in stone.
> Matt Johnson
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Christian Schmalz email: c.schmalz@ids-scheer.de
> Muehlenstr. 17 chsc0001@stud.uni-sb.de
> 66111 Saarbruecken phone: 0681/3904092
> Germany
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From: Lea Curry
To: Ryan E Wick
CC: Christian Schmalz , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: What Girls Like
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:13:00 -0700
Message-ID: <326D54FB.AF9@sirius.com>
> Its just that most girls cringe and don't take
> kindly to men feeding from their breasts before their juices run cold.
Ryan, you're just going to have to stop dating "most girls". "most
girls, and Most boys" just are not worth the time. Now *some* girls...
Lea
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Sex and Drugs and TheThe
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:10:49 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Am I the only one out there who finds it amusing that all we ever seem
to talk about is sex, drugs and rock'n roll?
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From: "Melissa Cannon"
To: "Ryan E Wick"
Cc: "Infected Mailing List"
Subject: Re: Sex and Drugs and TheThe
Date: 23 Oct 1996 17:08:49 -0700
Message-Id:
RE>Sex and Drugs and TheThe =
10/23/96
How 'bout them Yankees?
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Date: 10/23/96 5:05 PM
To: Melissa Cannon
From: Ryan E Wick
Am I the only one out there who finds it amusing that all we ever seem
to talk about is sex, drugs and rock'n roll?
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From: Ryan E Wick
To: Melissa Cannon
Cc: Infected Mailing List
Subject: Re: Sex and Drugs and TheThe
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:21:44 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id:
Yeah that sure is some season their having and all. Ummm... so, how's the
weather in your neck of the woods? I don't think this is working. Could
it be that their isn't anything else out there? THE THE RULES!! okay
goodnight I'm going to bed, t'was a silly thought anyways-Ryan
On 23 Oct 1996, Melissa Cannon wrote:
> RE>Sex and Drugs and TheThe 10/23/96
>
> How 'bout them Yankees?
>
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 10/23/96 5:05 PM
> To: Melissa Cannon
> From: Ryan E Wick
> Am I the only one out there who finds it amusing that all we ever seem
> to talk about is sex, drugs and rock'n roll?
>
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