october 97


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From: Vivamort@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: The The
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:11:54 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971003170912_878299094@emout17.mail.aol.com>

I've been sat back reading all the stuff been written for a while now

I think this is about time I gave an input to the site

The The changed my life but in ways I find difficult to explain

I'd been listening to them for a while but when I went to university I really
understood
what he was writing about

His lyrics are so personal I can't believe he'd put them to music and
published them. It changed my life, got me into writing and believing in
myself. The album was Soul Mining and it meant so much to me I couldn't
explain.

My favourite song is Jealous of Youth as I'm getting old but I've got two
versions both live so I'd like to what it is like as an original song. My
other favourite song is Flesh and Bones as I just love the lyrics.

' I jumped out of bed and lit my first cigarette it made my body feel sick,
but helped my mind relax'

Anyway must go, Matt Johnson is the best

Good to see some weird stuff on your favourite artists list

dead kennedys are cool
concrete blonde are unbelievable

See Ya

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From: JWH
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Quincy and the The vs. Hank
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:27:50 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID:

Two short notes:

1) QUINCY, WHERE ARE YOU!?!? Please email me directly.

2) Does anyone have an extra copy of the The vs. Hank or whatever it's
called that puts the The's renditions up next to Hank's on the same CD?

Thanks,
- -JWH
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From: CoolHand@webtv.net (Mike McLaughlin)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Chris Isaak
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:23:49 -0400
Message-Id: <199710070623.XAA19799@mailtod-112.bryant.webtv.net>

I recall a few weeks back everyone was talking about Dave Matthews and
his music. While I am not a big fan of his (just radio songs) I am a big
fan of Chris Isaak. I know that his music pretty much has only to do
with one topic and his lyrics are pretty simplistic, but there is
something quite honest and emotional about them. It really seems that he
truely believes in what he is singing about and with today's "sing to
make a buck" music (Spice Girls) I find that very admirable. Just a few
thoughts since the list has been slow. What does everyone think? BTW I
am in no way trying to compare C. Isaak to our beloved Matt because
there is really no comparing HIM with anyone.

Michael
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From: Michaela Schlocker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Intro and query
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:50:34 -0700
Message-Id:

Good day, all...new subscriber here, have lurked for a few weeks to see
what's going on. Now that's been awhile, figured I'd poke my head up and
take a look around.

Me: Michaela Schlocker, 19, junior at Stanford, casual The The fan since
early high school but more seriously interested (read: more world-weary)
since late high school and the past years in college. Favorite albums:
Dusk, Soul Mining (yeah, so what else is new, right), Mind Bomb and
Solitude. Have a special place in my heart for "Bluer than Midnight",
"Waitin' for tomorrow...", "Another Boy Drowning" and "Dolphins" (yeah, so
it's a Tim Buckley song) for those special moments.

Hm, what else...well, I went through painful deep-meaningful-relationship
self-destruction a few months ago so my love of The The has returned with a
vengeance. Each day another lyric finds another place in the whole twisted
situation. I hate it when they're right all the time...

Of course, it is not only catharsis that keeps me listening, and got me to
buy the (easily available) The The canon. The man does some great stuff
for whatever mood you might be in.

Question: obviously I've not been here for too long, but has anyone ever
tried comparing MJ with Leonard Cohen? I have a tremendous amount of
respect for them both; they both write amazing stuff with regards to the
things that make being human so much excruciating fun sometimes. Some odd
definition of "culture" I have in my head makes me hesitant to dare compare
"The Poet Prince of Montreal" with the (comparatively) recent phenomenon
that is The The...but heck, they both "speak" to me. Sometimes, too much.

Guess that's it. Good t' be here.

Michaela

schlock
- --
"You obtuse piece of flotsam!" --Q
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~schlock

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From: Lea Curry
To: Michaela Schlocker
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Intro and query
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:57:28 -0700
Message-ID: <343A69F8.1950@sirius.com>

Michaela Schlocker wrote:
>
> Question: obviously I've not been here for too long, but has anyone ever
> tried comparing MJ with Leonard Cohen? I have a tremendous amount of
> respect for them both; they both write amazing stuff with regards to the
> things that make being human so much excruciating fun sometimes.
- -

I have and did just a few weeks ago and even reprinted the lyrics of
the Stranger Song, but no one was buying it. I think Matt has a good
deal in common with Cohen AND Dylan, as 20th century poets.

In the long run, I suspect he may stand out as expressing the mind set
of the time. In that vein, music from Infected, comes to mind, anyway.

Cohen wrote mostly personal stuff, love songs if you will, but they
reflect the time better than most. Ditto I think for Matt.

You might enjoy a paper on the web, that contrasts Cohens and Dylans
music. Its at :

http://www.itsystem.se/guitar/lc3.html

It was written in 1969 and looks ever so much like someones thesis, but
I found it interesting. I wonder how this author would place Matts work.

I think the similarities are very strong, although the style is
different.

Lea
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From: Lea Curry
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:20:16 -0700
Message-ID: <343A6F50.653D@sirius.com>

Caught the tail end of a tv concert and need help in solving a "Who's
that Band??" mystery.


I was watching that saturday night IN CONCERT thingy on ABC Over the
weekend. I think its on around 1:30 AM on SAT night, ABC, in most of
the US.

They had clips of a few bands from a festival at Glastonberry. (sp)

I am trying to find out who the LAST band might have been. The lead
singer was a black or mulatto woman. She had her head wrapped up in a
towel like she had just washed her hair, and she had this sort of nighty
top on. She had wellingtons or waders on. >

The lead guitarist had on this sort of patchwork leather jacket , worn
as a shirt and they all looked reasonably and nicely scruffy. Possibly a
little older than most bands, but not much. They may have been around a
while and I would even know who they were, just havent seen them.

The song they did may have been called, "seven seconds away", or "Ill
be ready" In fact, hell it may have been New Order, I havent seen them
for 10 years, at least, could have been, (kinda looked like Bernard,
maybe), but the woman, didnt LOOK like Gillian. The woman seemed VERY
familiar.

Anyway, they had a very very Joy Division sound, in the background
music, not the lyrics, but the Same tones. JD or New order, did a
song called seven seconds, this is NOT it. The lyrics were strange and
may have even had some French. I didnt have it up very loud and was
half paying attention, just caught the very end.

They kept repeating some chorus about "7 seconds away, I'll be ready"
or something like that. I might not even have that right.

Anyone have a clue as to who this was?



Lea
]lea@sirius.com
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From: ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca (Yan Wong)
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:46:48 -0600
Message-Id: <199710071746.LAA21697@enme-l.enme>

well, this is a wild guess... but could it be Sneaker Pimps?... they have a
female lead singer and they have that JD or New Order sorta sound... I don't
know about the song you're describing though... but they have gotten popular
enough in the past year to get a slot on that ABC show... hope this helps...

Yan

> Anyway, they had a very very Joy Division sound, in the background
> music, not the lyrics, but the Same tones. JD or New order, did a
> song called seven seconds, this is NOT it. The lyrics were strange and
> may have even had some French. I didnt have it up very loud and was
> half paying attention, just caught the very end.
>
> They kept repeating some chorus about "7 seconds away, I'll be ready"
> or something like that. I might not even have that right.
>
> Anyone have a clue as to who this was?
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From: Lea Curry
To: Yan Wong
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:32:52 -0700
Message-ID: <343A8054.68E6@sirius.com>

Yan Wong wrote:
>
> well, this is a wild guess... but could it be Sneaker Pimps?... they have a
> female lead singer and they have that JD or New Order sorta sound... I don't
> know about the song you're describing though... but they have gotten popular
> enough in the past year to get a slot on that ABC show... hope this helps...
>
> Yan


I think you MIGHT have hit it Sounds familiar and maybe they announced
that name during the beginning. i recall hearing something- pimps in
the line up!

Now thats a GREAT job of guessing!!!!!

Anybody following them or liking their music? I really didnt get much
of a sense of their lyrical content. Just the sound was interesting to
my ear.

Whats up with them?

Thanks,

Lea
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From: Genepool@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this Band?
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:11:20 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971008081023_24377910@emout08.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-10-07 13:44:01 EDT, ywong@enme.ucalgary.ca writes:

<< well, this is a wild guess... but could it be Sneaker Pimps? >>

Definitely not!!

Ooops, saw in later mail you figured this out. Sneaker Pimps are worth
checking out. They are good live too.

Yousuo N'dour (no idea of spelling idea!!), worked with Peter Gabriel quite a
bit and has some great albums of his own out.

Steve
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From: Stefan Wills
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:21:21 -0400
Message-ID:

I wish that I had a chance to see that performance. The song '7
seconds' is written by Yousou Ndour(sp?) and the Singer is Nena Cherry.
I will check my copy of the single at home for more information (if you
need this).

stefan wills

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lea Curry [SMTP:lea@sirius.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 1:20 PM
> To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: Name this Band?
>
> Caught the tail end of a tv concert and need help in solving a "Who's
> that Band??" mystery.
>
>
> I was watching that saturday night IN CONCERT thingy on ABC Over the
> weekend. I think its on around 1:30 AM on SAT night, ABC, in most of
> the US.
>
> They had clips of a few bands from a festival at Glastonberry. (sp)
>
> I am trying to find out who the LAST band might have been. The lead
> singer was a black or mulatto woman. She had her head wrapped up in a
> towel like she had just washed her hair, and she had this sort of
> nighty
> top on. She had wellingtons or waders on. >
>
> The lead guitarist had on this sort of patchwork leather jacket ,
> worn
> as a shirt and they all looked reasonably and nicely scruffy. Possibly
> a
> little older than most bands, but not much. They may have been around
> a
> while and I would even know who they were, just havent seen them.
>
> The song they did may have been called, "seven seconds away", or "Ill
> be ready" In fact, hell it may have been New Order, I havent seen
> them
> for 10 years, at least, could have been, (kinda looked like Bernard,
> maybe), but the woman, didnt LOOK like Gillian. The woman seemed
> VERY
> familiar.
>
> Anyway, they had a very very Joy Division sound, in the background
> music, not the lyrics, but the Same tones. JD or New order, did a
> song called seven seconds, this is NOT it. The lyrics were strange and
> may have even had some French. I didnt have it up very loud and was
> half paying attention, just caught the very end.
>
> They kept repeating some chorus about "7 seconds away, I'll be
> ready"
> or something like that. I might not even have that right.
>
> Anyone have a clue as to who this was?
>
>
>
> Lea
> ]lea@sirius.com
>
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From: Lea Curry
To: Stefan Wills
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:41:48 -0700
Message-ID: <343A907C.7FDF@sirius.com>

Ok, Stefan, You win the prize!

It WAS Neneh Cherry and the song WAS "seven Seconds". I took the info
you provided and checked it out on the web.

Even found the words although there seemed to be more in the
performance and the male singing with her looked to be white to me, so I
do not think it was Youssou N'dour. (spelling from the discography
site), who is from Senegal.

It would appear that her backup band changes , like Matts and I'm not
familiar with her other music.

While looking for this I also cam across some clips of The Sneaker
Pimps, and although not what I was looking for, they sound pretty good,
too. Maybe I should start listening to the radio again.

Are we past rap yet? (ive been waiting for it to go away, like I did
disco).

Thanks, and below is the chorus.

Lea

Chorus:
It's not a second
7 seconds away
Just as long as I stay
I'll be waiting
Nothing can move us, we should be moving
from the ones who practice wicked charms
For the son and the stone
Bad to the bone
Man is not evil, even when it's born
And when a child is born into this world
It has no concept
The tone the skin is living in
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From: Stefan Wills
To: lea@sirius.com, Stefan Wills
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:55:02 -0400
Message-ID:

The song was released on an Album of Youssou N'dours' and I had never
seen it on any release of Neneh's so far. I suppose that she does have
performance rights to this song. It had taken me a while to find the
song
when it originally had been released as I knew who Nenah Cherry was and
tried to order the single through her name (when I could not locate it
on the
shelves.) No progress on this until I found out that the single was
filed under
Youssou N'dour and it was also featured on his current (at the time)
album.


> Chorus:
> It's not a second
> 7 seconds away
> Just as long as I stay
> I'll be waiting
> Nothing can move us, we should be moving
> from the ones who practice wicked charms
> For the son and the stone
> Bad to the bone
> Man is not evil, even when it's born
> And when a child is born into this world
> It has no concept
> The tone the skin is living in
>
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From: Lea Curry
To: Stefan Wills
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:01:24 -0700
Message-ID: <343AA324.4024@sirius.com>

Stefan Writes in part:

> It had taken me a while to find the
> song
> when it originally had been released as I knew who Nenah Cherry was and
> tried to order the single through her name (when I could not locate it
> on the
> shelves.) No progress on this until I found out that the single was
> filed under
> Youssou N'dour and it was also featured on his current (at the time)
> album.


According to what I saw on the web, it is released in an album of hers
called MAN. You can find a little promo for it at

> http://raft.vmg.co.uk/nenehcherry/mantop.htm


I think it said it was released in 94.

L.
- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
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From: "sir vive"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 03:07:55 PDT
Message-ID: <19971007100755.17397.qmail@hotmail.com>

awfully quiet in here, i guess everyone's doing the macarena, anyhow,
anyone ever heard of marc and the mambas? matt collaborating in his
wilder days with marc almond??

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From: "(a) clockwork chicken"
To:
Subject: Re: marc and the mambas
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:38:29 -0500
Message-Id: <199710071249.HAA05112@mail.execpc.com>

> awfully quiet in here, i guess everyone's doing the macarena, anyhow,
> anyone ever heard of marc and the mambas? matt collaborating in his
> wilder days with marc almond??

sure thing! "untitled" is still a brilliant listen - it ain't hard to
pick out which songs matt had the most input on (the title track spring to
mind), but the cover tunes like "terrapin" and "caroline says" (is that the
one?) are also fantastic! haven't heard it in awhile, but now you've
gotten me all worked up to revisit it when i get home tonight. bravo!

on a semi-listy note, anyone heard the recently cd-issued foetus/marc
almond collection "flesh volcano"? local shop has a copy for $23 but i'm
not sure if i "need" to plunk down the $$$ for such a thing.


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From: "Jose Ma. Dimaandal"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: DKs is cool
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <19971007164844.1224.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com>

hi, there!

i've been reading a lot of stuff from you guys and it's great to know
that there's alot of us who worship matt j. and the the.

anyways, i'm joey from quezon city philippines and i love the the
since i was in my senior year. think they're really superb. listening
to their music changed my boring and pathetic views about life (though
i guess living in this times is still pathetic). mj's music is sheer
poetry.

THE THE is the GREATEST!
THE CURE is FAB!
and yes i think DKs is cool

bye for now....

joey







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From: Lea Curry
To: Stefan Wills
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: FW: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:03:50 -0700
Message-ID: <343A8796.654E@sirius.com>

Now another guess:

Im not sure that seven seconds was the title. I think I have heard the
name Nina Cherry.

Is Yousou Ndour(sp?) the name of the band?

Im pretty sure I heard the name Sneaker Pimps in the line up. Hummm...
Wish I could remember the rest of the chorus...Something about "7
seconds away" and "Ill be There". Also something about WADING and she
stomped about in her wellingtons to that...wading through mud or
something. It was about something political kind of. The male lyrics
started it and seemed nonsensical or foreign. Sort of a bubbeling
Patter, not quite rap, but maybe with that influence.? and her voice
alternately sang a more lyrical lead, with him coming back a couple of
times with this solo patter. The repeating chorus about 7 seconds away,
was by all. It was the background cross hatching that sounded very Joy
Divisony, almost a DIRGE. (In all honesty I was half asleep and had a
fan on, sort of drowning it out).

Any more clues ? If you could type maybe even the chorus I would be
sure that is who it is?

They seemed pretty interesting.

Lea


- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
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From: robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)lea(a)sirius.com":;;@USAPC.mail.abb.com@abb.com
Cc: " - (052)infected(a)cs.uchicago.edu"
Subject: Re: FW: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:47:09 -0400
Message-ID: <0010200001498536000002L062*@MHS>

If you have ever listened to The The's Infected CD you have.


Im not sure that seven seconds was the title. I think I have heard th=
e
name Nina Cherry.




=
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From: WaylandM2@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: FW: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:56:53 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971007175503_-1161448600@emout20.mail.aol.com>

> Im not sure that seven seconds was the title. I think I have heard the
>name Nina Cherry.

I'm sure you've heard of Neneh Cherry! She did the vocals with Matt on "Slow
Train to Dawn".

<>

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From: Doug Chase
To: "'lea@sirius.com'"
Cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: FW: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:09:24 -0700
Message-ID:

You should have heard of Nenah Cherry. Didn't she sing backup on Slow
Train To Dawn?

Doug


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lea Curry [SMTP:lea@sirius.com]
>
> Im not sure that seven seconds was the title. I think I have heard
> the
> name Nina Cherry.
>
>
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From: JB
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re:Yousou Ndour
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:15:40 -0700
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971007201540.0069a658@pop.mindspring.com>


>>
>> Is Yousou Ndour(sp?) the name of the band?
>-Yousou Ndour (I can't spell it either) is most famous for his work with Peter
>Gabriel (a god in his own right) on the So album. In Your Eyes, the African
>chant in the background at the end of the song?-That's Yousou Ndour. He's
>also been a large part with his own band in both the Amnesty and WOMAD tours
>as of late. I have seen him 3 times in various forms, an incredible performer.
>
>I also remember sometime in the past few weeks a female performer making the
>talk
>show circus-circuits with her ensemble, and she sounds like she fits your
>description,
>a waif of a woman, black, dressed in African/Carribean inspired garb, with a
>gynormous
>wrap towering on her head, very composed, beautiful blues/jazz insprired
>music, does that
>sound like her? Sorry, don't remember her name either, it was a woman's
>name, maybe some
>one else on the list remembers????
>
>Jan.
>
>
>>
>> Im pretty sure I heard the name Sneaker Pimps in the line up. Hummm...
>>Wish I could remember the rest of the chorus...Something about "7
>>seconds away" and "Ill be There". Also something about WADING and she
>>stomped about in her wellingtons to that...wading through mud or
>>something. It was about something political kind of. The male lyrics
>>started it and seemed nonsensical or foreign. Sort of a bubbeling
>>Patter, not quite rap, but maybe with that influence.? and her voice
>>alternately sang a more lyrical lead, with him coming back a couple of
>>times with this solo patter. The repeating chorus about 7 seconds away,
>>was by all. It was the background cross hatching that sounded very Joy
>>Divisony, almost a DIRGE. (In all honesty I was half asleep and had a
>>fan on, sort of drowning it out).
>>
>
>
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From: Lea Curry
To: robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: FW: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:04:20 -0700
Message-ID: <343AA39D.7928@sirius.com>

robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com wrote:
>
> If you have ever listened to The The's Infected CD you have.
>
> Im not sure that seven seconds was the title. I think I have heard the
> name Nina Cherry.


Was she part of the Infected project?

If so, no wonder I liked her the other night. Infected is my favorite
work of The The. That would be interesting. Maybe I should check out
her work more closely!

Lea
- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
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From: Adrian_Stubbs@BayNetworks.COM (Adrian Stubbs)
To:
Subject: Re: FW: Name this Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:46:19 -0700
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971007144618.006c5698@sc-mail1.corpwest.baynetworks.com>

Its Neneh I believe. Yes she sings and is indeed on the video for the song
"Slow Train to Dawn". Very steamy video for many reasons.

- -Adrian


At 03:47 PM 10/7/97 -0400, robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com wrote:
>If you have ever listened to The The's Infected CD you have.
>
>
> Im not sure that seven seconds was the title. I think I have heard the
>name Nina Cherry.
>
>
>
>
>
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From: TheWkndr@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Name This Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971007170714_-1673880083@emout08.mail.aol.com>

I'm very surprised that nobody has yet mentioned that she sand vocals on
'Slow Train To Dawn' on the Infected CD. And who can forget that precursor to
rap days (since gone by), 'Buffalo Stance'. A stirring tribute to our nations
streetwalkers.

Matt seems to have a knack for doing duos with people before they have hits
of their own (see Sinead O'Connor).

jon
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From: Adrian_Stubbs@BayNetworks.COM (Adrian Stubbs)
To: TheWkndr@aol.com, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Name This Band?
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:51:50 -0700
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971007155150.006abd40@sc-mail1.corpwest.baynetworks.com>

Which duo did Matt do with Sinead BEFORE she became famous. I can only
think of Kingdom of Rain which was done well after we'd all heard plenty
from Sinead.

- -Adrian


At 05:13 PM 10/7/97 -0400, TheWkndr@aol.com wrote:
>I'm very surprised that nobody has yet mentioned that she sand vocals on
>'Slow Train To Dawn' on the Infected CD. And who can forget that precursor to
>rap days (since gone by), 'Buffalo Stance'. A stirring tribute to our nations
>streetwalkers.
>
>Matt seems to have a knack for doing duos with people before they have hits
>of their own (see Sinead O'Connor).
>
>jon
>
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From: TheWkndr@aol.com
To: Adrian_Stubbs@BayNetworks.COM, infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name This Band?
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971007214738_1265754343@emout18.mail.aol.com>

My bad about Sinead. Her fame did come aroung '88. I guess I was successful
in trying to remove her career from my head!

jon
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From: Vigre@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: ::
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971007171230_441285656@emout07.mail.aol.com>

look..some how i got on this pathetic mailing list..get me off..
..jorge
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From: Lea Curry
To: Vigre@aol.com
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: ::
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:54:56 -0700
Message-ID: <343C0130.57A4@sirius.com>

Well at least you are starting to get polite.

Two little matters should be brought to your attention. No, make it
THREE.

1) When you or anyone else signes you up, you have to mail in a
confirmation. Somehow you did that.

2) when you first sign up or GET signed up, you get some instructions
with a note to KEEP them for when you want to get off the mail list.

3) No one reding this list CAN take you off because you need to send a
computer command to a different address. Its an automated process.

Now perhaps someone who saved that info, and someone who can access
their hard drive to go find it, will take up some of their free time, to
send you the instructions. BUT.... They will be more likely to do that
if you dont stamp your feet and call them names.

Ill look around and post the address when I get a chance. Or maybe
somebody else will. Maybe you DID save it, so maybe you want to think
about it and take a look in whatever file you store these sorts of
important things like passwords.

LC

"There are no victims, Only Volunteers"

- -Eleanor Roosevelt- I think
------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: Nenah / Movies
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:17:09 -0700
Message-ID:

Has anybody seen Until the End of the World? It's a Wim Wenders movie.
He also did Paris, Texas; Wings of Desire; Faraway So Close; and a
couple others I can't remember. If you haven't Until the End of the
World (actually, any of them), you should. His movies tend to be kind
of long and drawn out, but good. Anyway, I have two points to this:

Point 1: Nenah has a good song in there called "Move With Me". It
comes on about the time they crash their cars. The movie version is
much better than the version on the soundtrack.

Point 2: I heard on NPR that Wim Wenders has a new movie coming out,
but I didn't catch the title. If anybody knows what it is, please let
me know.

Doug
------------------------------
From: Vonn Campbell
To: "'Infected Mailing List Post/Reply'"
Subject: RE: ::
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:49:29 -0400
Message-ID: <01BCD4E4.18F56A60@160.greenville-002.sc.dial-access.att.net>

Don't sugar coat it! Tell us exactly how you feel!!!!

Ne Obliviscaris,
Vonn "Devo"

"Why is it, that anything on this Earth we do not understand,
We are pushed down on our knees to worship or to damn" ...Matt Johnson
"How can anyone know me, when I don't even know myself?" ...Matt Johnson
"Those Beatles' fans, so old so quick they grow." ...Wall Of Voodoo
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." ...Oscar Wilde
"What we've got here is... failure to communicate." ...the Captain
"The next woman that takes me on is going to light up like
a pinball machine and payoff in silver dollars." ... Randle P. McMurphy


- -----Original Message-----
From: Vigre@aol.com [SMTP:Vigre@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 4:47 PM
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: ::

ok...remember me?
im the one who complained about this whole me getting this mailing list...
but look..i have a sorta good explaination for all this....
first of all, i didn't signup for this thing...it seems that someone else
did...from my Email address...and inside the letter they sent they
specifically put the address JP@hardhead.com...that is not me.....usually i
wouldn't mind..but the fact that i don't even know what this list is
about...and someone was even nice enough to claim that i must listen to
Aerosmith...well..i don't.....actually im pretty deep in to the NY
Elektro-Industrial scene....so don't attack me for wanting off this mailing
list...that does really nothing but fill my mailbox....
.jorge
------------------------------
From: "Kayleigh Van Poolen"
To: "infected%cs.uchicago.edu" (Return requested)
Subject: Re: Nenah / Movies
Date: 08 Oct 1997 08:00:19 -0600
Message-Id:
<02C76343B83E3D33*/c=us/admd=attmail/prmd=amex/o=aefa/ou=HUB3/ou=IDS/s=VanPoolen/g=Kayleigh/@MHS>

Wim has a new movie out. And my feeble brain doesn't have a short term memory,
concussions will do that ya know.

Anyhow, the title was something like "The End of Violence". Minneapolis has a
rather prolific film culture. We even had Crash here for more than two weeks!
Yikers. David Lynch's Lost Highway was here for a month or so. So you know
we're pretty twisted. And then there's just the folks who really know nothing
about life but think they can make up for that by watching a lot of movies.





bambang%innocent.com @ Internet
10/08/97 02:01 AM
To: infected%cs.uchicago.edu @ Internet
cc: (
Subject: Re: Nenah / Movies

Have seen the film 'Until the End of the World'. Superb to say the least,
as is Faraway So Close. Has MJ been able to put his heart into a
soundtrack yet as it has been his wish to? That is to produce the score of
a film? I am a fan of Wim Wenders.
Later
Bambang



------------------------------
From: "Bambang"
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: Re: Nenah / Movies
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:45:40 -0700
Message-Id: <05470165674375@onaustralia.com.au>

Have seen the film 'Until the End of the World'. Superb to say the least,
as is Faraway So Close. Has MJ been able to put his heart into a
soundtrack yet as it has been his wish to? That is to produce the score of
a film? I am a fan of Wim Wenders.
Later
Bambang

------------------------------
From: Adrian_Stubbs@BayNetworks.COM (Adrian Stubbs)
To: Doug Chase ,
"'Infected'"
Subject: Re: Nenah / Movies
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:04:36 -0700
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971007170435.006b9e84@sc-mail1.corpwest.baynetworks.com>

Doug

The Film : 1st half was great. 2nd half (quite distinct from the first) is
slow and dull. The music : SUPER, GREAT. It's up there with my favourite
CD's which is pretty extraordinary for a sound-track. I can't remember the
movie version of Move with me. I don't think I'll be watching the film for
a while to check it out; I haven't got the time.

- -Adrian


At 04:17 PM 10/7/97 -0700, Doug Chase wrote:
>Has anybody seen Until the End of the World? It's a Wim Wenders movie.
>He also did Paris, Texas; Wings of Desire; Faraway So Close; and a
>couple others I can't remember. If you haven't Until the End of the
>World (actually, any of them), you should. His movies tend to be kind
>of long and drawn out, but good. Anyway, I have two points to this:
>
>Point 1: Nenah has a good song in there called "Move With Me". It
>comes on about the time they crash their cars. The movie version is
>much better than the version on the soundtrack.
>
>Point 2: I heard on NPR that Wim Wenders has a new movie coming out,
>but I didn't catch the title. If anybody knows what it is, please let
>me know.
>
>Doug
>
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Vigre@aol.com
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: ::
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:19:57 -0700
Message-ID: <343AD1AC.651A@sirius.com>

Vigre@aol.com wrote:
>
> look..some how i got on this pathetic mailing list..get me off..
> ..jorge


Boy, THAT makes me want to give him a hand, eh????

TRY THE P WORD.....


- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
------------------------------
From: Alicia Sepulveda
cc: "'Infected'"
Subject: Re: Nenah / Movies
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:40:29 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:

Her name is Neneh Cherry, not Nenah or Nina. Yes she does have quite a
voice. Did anybody hear her in one of her earliest groups with I think
Mike Stewart? I think they were called Rip Rig + Panic, very avant-garde
and cool. She's the daughter of the late, great jazz trumpetist Don
Cherry.
Pablo
------------------------------
From: "Kennedy, Sean"
To: Alicia Sepulveda
Cc: "'Infected'"
Subject: Nenah / Telly
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:09:52 +1200
Message-Id: <97Oct8.122557nzst.27778@netgate.airways.co.nz>

Did anybody hear her in one of her earliest groups with I think
Mike Stewart? I think they were called Rip Rig + Panic, very avant-garde
and cool.

Did they appear as one of the guest bands on a "Young Ones" episode?

Sean
------------------------------
From: "Bewlay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this band
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:12:53 GMT+1
Message-ID: <2E603C4632D@pc.iu.hioslo.no>

The song people are talking about here seems to be "7 seconds" with
Youssou N'Door and Neneh Cherry - of "Slow train to down" fame.

If anyone is interested in N'door, he has several good albums out.
One of them is "The Guide" from 1995, where "7 seconds" is included.
I can whole-heartedly recommend this album. "7 scs" is, however, not
representative for the music on the album.

Petter
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Bewlay
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Name this band
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:03:07 -0700
Message-ID: <343BD8EB.3016@sirius.com>

Bewlay wrote:
>
> The song people are talking about here seems to be "7 seconds" with
> Youssou N'Door and Neneh Cherry - of "Slow train to down" fame.
>
> If anyone is interested in N'door, he has several good albums out.
> One of them is "The Guide" from 1995, where "7 seconds" is included.
> I can whole-heartedly recommend this album. "7 scs" is, however, not
> representative for the music on the album.
>
> Petter


Thank you everybody for all of your efforts! Great to have such an
informed refernece group!

What I saw was Neneh Cherry alright,(on a half hour video from
Glastonbury), but Youssou D'Nour was not with her, At least i dont
think, because the lead male singer looked terrifically white. So I
dont know if what I heard was anything like the original version. Im
not way way fond of most African music. I dont DISLIKE it, but what
compelled me to -this- performance was the Joy Division like back up
dirge.

Seems like lately, I like back up more than the lead performers. I
caught Patti Smith on some PBS concert hour, and while she was same as
ever Patti Smith, which I like enough, her backup band was BRILLIANT and
the araingments were top drawer. Very New York heroine Lou Reed stuff.
I love it, always have.

Some GOTH gets there but much falls short. Im about ready to come out
of self imposed musical hibernation. It was necessary for the
RAP/HIPHOP invasion which pretty much buried San Francisco, for all of
the 90's.

The last time this happened was the 70s when the city went Disco Mad.
I turned the radio to a classical music station and got heavy into
Mozart for almost a decade, coming out when I started to hear stuff like
the Talking Heads, Roxy Music and of course, ending with great
discoveries like Joy Divison and a myriyad of "New Wave" stuff, MJ
coming in there at the tail end. I had hoped he would bridge it into a
newer sound but RAP took the lead. :>(

I am starting to hear glimpses of a third wave. Time to dust off the
board and see if the surf is up. I suspect the water is still choppy,
but improving.

I recently wrote a private e to someone wondering if the reason that
music slumps every other decade is because those generations are more
genetically conditioned to be cannon fodder. (with the most creative
minds of the era protesting being cannon fodder). Most of the 70's and
90's so far have produced little that engages my soul.

Lea

lea@sirius.com





- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
------------------------------
From: Vigre@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: ::
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:46:33 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971008161849_-93470363@emout03.mail.aol.com>

ok...remember me?
im the one who complained about this whole me getting this mailing list...
but look..i have a sorta good explaination for all this....
first of all, i didn't signup for this thing...it seems that someone else
did...from my Email address...and inside the letter they sent they
specifically put the address JP@hardhead.com...that is not me.....usually i
wouldn't mind..but the fact that i don't even know what this list is
about...and someone was even nice enough to claim that i must listen to
Aerosmith...well..i don't.....actually im pretty deep in to the NY
Elektro-Industrial scene....so don't attack me for wanting off this mailing
list...that does really nothing but fill my mailbox....
..jorge
------------------------------
From: TheWkndr@aol.com
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Good Morning, Beautiful
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:40:16 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <971008153937_965205387@emout11.mail.aol.com>

In the opening 40 seconds of 'Good Morning, Beautiful', there seems to be a
little girl whispering something. Does anyone have any idea what she is
saying? I keep listening to it, but I can't figure it out.

Thanks, because this is really bugging me.

Jon
------------------------------
From: "Bloeser, Mike"
To: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: FW: READ: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:37:07 -0500
Message-ID: <949EF371D3D0D011AECD080009DCF93613528F@GOSSAMER.extracorp.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lea Curry [SMTP:lea@sirius.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 1997 1:38 PM
> To: arthouse@sprintmail.com
> Cc: Infected
> Subject: READ: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE
>
> This is an automated list. When you first sign ON, you get these
> instructions. If you didnt SAVE them, please SAVE THIS NOW, because
> people get tired of sending it , and YOU will end up STUCK on the
> list.
>
>
> **********************************************************************
> **
> > * TO UNSUBSCRIBE, please send mail to:
> >
> > infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
> >
> > with a message saying that you would like to be removed from the
> list.
> >
> **********************************************************************
> **
>
> NOTE the ADDRESS you send it to is DIFFERENT from the LIST address,
> that you POST to. Sending requests and multiple requests to the
> posting
> list, just annoys people because none of us CAN unsub you. Just write
> unsubscribe on the first line , nothing else. The computer program
> will
> SEE it and delete you. You are NOT writing to a human being there,
> just
> a machine looking for a key word. In this case UNSUBSCRIBE. You can
> leave the subject blank.
>
> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE SAVE THIS! All lists work this way. You should
> create a file just to store unsubscribe instructions, pass words, etc.
> it will save other people the time of digging it out ten times a week.
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: "Bloeser, Mike"
CC: "'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: Re: FW: READ: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 02:07:19 -0700
Message-ID: <343C9EC7.5455@sirius.com>

Thanks,Mike:

I knew I had it on file, but I had to run, earlier. Some lists use the
list name with -request- inserted and some use a majordomo address, and
I couldn't remember which offhand.

Are people misreading the subscribe instructions and signing up
expecting something OTHER than a mailing list? Seems like it because
whenever it starts acting like a mail list we get a flurry of
unsubscribes.

Thanks for digging.

Lea
- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
------------------------------
From: Yan Wong
To: Lea Curry
Cc: "Bloeser, Mike" ,
"'infected@cs.uchicago.edu'"
Subject: Re: FW: READ: HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:48:05 -0600 (MDT)
Message-Id:


> Are people misreading the subscribe instructions and signing up
> expecting something OTHER than a mailing list? Seems like it because
> whenever it starts acting like a mail list we get a flurry of
> unsubscribes.

I think there are some people who do not get the list instructions when
they join... I know I didn't get any when I signed up and I'm pretty
vigilant about such things... however, I did save them when it was posted
publicly on the list...

Yan
------------------------------
From: "Bewlay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Good Morning Beautiful
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:12:53 GMT+1
Message-ID: <2FB044C0ADA@pc.iu.hioslo.no>

Hi, Jon!

The opening whisper of this great, haunting track should be:

"Satelite, oh satelite
Who sits upon our skies
How deep do you see
When you spy into our lives?"

One of Matt's greatest lines, anyone??

Petter
------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: "'Bewlay'" , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Good Morning Beautiful
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:49:15 -0700
Message-ID:

Is this a Matt original or is it a quote of somebody else? It sounds
familiar to me. And I don't mean at the beginning of the song.

How could you understand this? You have better ears than I...

Doug

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bewlay [SMTP:svenn@pc.iu.hioslo.no]
>
> The opening whisper of this great, haunting track should be:
>
> "Satelite, oh satelite
> Who sits upon our skies
> How deep do you see
> When you spy into our lives?"
>
> One of Matt's greatest lines, anyone??
>
> Petter
------------------------------
From: "Bambang"
To:
Subject: satelite, oh satelite...
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:00:47 +1000
Message-Id: <12043250072682@onaustralia.com.au>


"Satelite, oh satelite
Who sits upon our skies
How deep do you see
When you spy into our lives?"

That intrigues me, that does? From where did you get these words? I too
have been unable to identify what mj was saying. Is it from another's
poem?

Bomb my mind! For I am flooded by thoughts of past and future, not to
mention present... Bomb me, I say! Get those B52s in the air and bomb me,
brother!

Smile
Bambang


------------------------------
From: Virginie C Salles
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: ....
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:08:04 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:


Can anyone unsubscribe me?
Thanks a lot...
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Virginie C Salles
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE INSTRUCTIONS
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:09:58 -0700
Message-ID: <343D0FE6.1577@sirius.com>

In order to be unsubscribed from the list, you need to send a message to
the address below. Please note that it is a different address that you
send messages to. That should get you off the list. You might want to
allow a bit of time, but it needs to go to this address.

Lea




**********************************************************************
> **
> > * TO UNSUBSCRIBE, please send mail to:
> >
> > infected-request@cs.uchicago.edu
> >
> > with a message saying that you would like to be removed from the
> list.
> >
> **********************************************************************
> **
------------------------------
From: Simone
To: Virginie C Salles
cc: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: ....
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:12:22 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID:

nope.


On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Virginie C Salles wrote:

>
> Can anyone unsubscribe me?
> Thanks a lot...
>
>
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: Oscar Tiberg
CC: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:31:38 -0700
Message-ID: <343E748A.3FAA@sirius.com>

Please read your mail from yesterday and you will find the unsubscribe
instructions.

You need to send a message to infected-request-@cs.uchicago.edu (i
think),

This address wont work. We are just readers and cant unsubscribe you.

LC
- --
"Save me from the People, who would save me from myself-
They got muscles for brains..."

- - Gang of Four
------------------------------
From: JWH
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Alive Promo LP
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:26:27 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID:

Who was I talking to about this?
I was stupid and erased my email- arrggghh!
- -JWH
------------------------------
From: Doug Chase
To: "'JWH'" , infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Alive Promo LP
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:41:09 -0700
Message-ID:

Not me, but I've got a spare copy of this if anybody is looking to
trade!

Doug

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JWH [SMTP:jwh@u.arizona.edu]
>
> Who was I talking to about this?
> I was stupid and erased my email- arrggghh!
> -JWH
------------------------------
From: "Corbett J. Klempay"
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Mind Bomb poster...
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:48:32 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID:

Anyone have/know where to get (or even if there is anywhere to still get)
that Mind Bomb era poster with the whole band (at the time, at least) on
it...it's white, and I think it wasn't photos, but artists drawings of
each guy, and it said The Beaten Generation...anybody know the poster I'm
talking about?


Corbett J. Klempay
cklempay@hops.cs.jhu.edu
http://www.ugrad.cs.jhu.edu/~cklempay
Finger for PGP key
------------------------------
From: Michaela Schlocker
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: Good Morning Beautiful
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:57:53 -0700
Message-Id:

At 2:49 PM -0700 10/9/97, Doug Chase wrote (re lyrics about satellites):
>Is this a Matt original or is it a quote of somebody else? It sounds
>familiar to me. And I don't mean at the beginning of the song.

It sounds a bit like the opening to the Dave Matthews Band's "Satellite",
which of course was written quite awhile after "Good Morning Beautiful,"
except "Satellite" got a bit more airplay.

Is it a Bad Thing to mention Dave 'round here? He's not precisely the
same...genre, as MJ.

schlock

------------------------------
From: "Ernst's Records"
To: The The
Subject: Records for sale!
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:32:50 +0100
Message-Id: <199710142131.QAA05547@cs.uchicago.edu>

For sale:

THE THE - "Gravitate To Me" (UK) 12" Box Set incl. 4 photos + postcard, 1989
(EMU B9)
ATS 170.- / US$ 13.-
THE THE - "Mind Bomb" (UK) LP + Poster, limited edition, 1989 (Some Bizarre
/ Epic / CBS 463319 1)
ATS 150.- / US$ 12.-
THE THE - "Dis-Infected EP" (AUSTRIA) 5" CD Promo, 4 Tracks, 1993 (Epic /
Sony XPCD 349)
ATS 130.- / US$ 10.-
THE THE - "Soul Mining" (JAPAN) CD Promo, 7 Tracks, 1983 (Epic / Sony ESCA
5094)
ATS 370.- / US$ 29.-

Postage extra, trades welcome! Will also trade for old Apple stuff (the
older the better)!
______________________________________________________________________
ERNST'S RECORDS AUSTRIA & USA. [(o)/] ernsts-records@collector.org
------------------------------
From: Darshan Landry
To: infected@cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: Subscribe
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:50:12 -0700
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016005012.00689278@direct.ca>

" I've been waiting for THE NEW ALBUM all of my life...."

Where can I order T-shirts from? Please.

Croat
------------------------------
From: Lea Curry
To: reckman@mtest.teradyne.com
CC: "pav@sirius.competard88@sirius.comwizard2u@ix.netcom.com" ,
suzpaulp@cruzio.com, pault@slipnet.com, Omega ,
noelm@sfsu.edu, "mjerome@usaor.net" ,
lilitha@usa.net, JOYCEBR.mcmurdo@mcmurdo.gov, infected@cs.uchicago.edu,
iandrum@compuserve.com, edward.bollenbach@snet.net,
"Coram@aol.com" , reaves@ix.netcom.com,
elberfeld@sprintmail.com, benny.korneliusson@mbox300.swipnet.se
Subject: [Fwd: SRL-ZKM] EVENT!
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:14:49 -0700
Message-ID: <3447C739.970@sirius.com>

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This is my most favorite ARTIST acting up, again! This time in
cyberspace.


Check out the website if you dont know who Mark Pauline is!

Pardon all the cc's but just sort of picked out anybody from my address
book, that I thought might be weird enough to appreciate this. Please
do not use your reply to ALL function, use reply ONLY. (Ive copied a
mail list here!). If you have never witnessed a Mark Pauline event,
here's your chance. The web page is somewhat amusing, last time I
looked.



Lea

lea@sirius.com

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Survival Research Laboratories
www.srl.org

** OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT **

Further Explorations in Lethal Experimentation

Survival Research Laboratories (SRL) explores
the remote manipulation and control
of lethal mechanical devices

Date:
18 October 1997

Time:
11:00 AM PST

Locations:
ZKM | The Center for Art and Media Technology, Karlsruhe, Germany
Survival Research Laboratories, San Francisco, USA

In this experiment, the second in a continuing series of tele-operated
lethal experiments, anonymous participants will establish a direct
link using publicly available software over the internet into the
control circuitry of one of the most dangerous devices at Survival
Research Laboratories (SRL) -- the Air Launcher.

The Air Launcher consists of a high pressure gas launcher capable of
targeting and delivering an explosive round within a one mile
range. For this experiment, the Air Launcher will be limited to firing
within a target range containing an assortment of technological
artifacts and a few surprises. This system is also equipted with a
video and audio feed to the internet. Remote participants will
interface directly to the Air Launcher located at Survival Research
Laboratories headquarters in San Francisco where they will be capable
of remotely targeting objects, sequencing the loading of the
projectiles into the air launcher barrel, and ultimately launching the
resulting ordnance, obliterating the intended target. All operations
will be controlled remotely without any local human intervention.


** QUICK DETAILS **


* Mark Pauline will be in Chicago, IL (USA) and will be firing the
first explosive projectile

* Successive rounds will be fired by participants at the ZKM in
Karlsruhe, Germany

* Video and audio from this event will be broadcast live onto the
internet including the multicast backbone

* Video feed is active **now**. Check the www site form more info.

* The event will be active for approx 30 minutes or until all rounds
have been detonated

* This event is an exploration into participation and voyeuristic
tendencies of remote leathal machinery. There will be no local
public particpation or viewing. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC SRL EVENT. We
hope to have a public event soon.

* More information on the official srl www site at http://www.srl.org

Eric Paulos
paulos@srl.org



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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:56:40 -0500 (CDT)
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dear infected listies,

i have changed the set up for this lovely list of ours to incorporate
more automation and quicker response to requests (ie it runs via a
list server now). this change was mainly motivated by the annoying
sub/unsub waves with which you have become all too familiar.

by now you all of you must have received an automatically generated
piece of mail titled "General Info". take a moment to read it, it is
very short.

the main change as far as posting to the list is concerned is the new
list address. is it now:

infected@lists.uchicago.edu

and the address for requests (ie subscribe/unsubscribe) is:

infected-request@lists.uchicago.edu


everything else stays the same, and monthly digests are still
available at http://www.cs.uchicago.edu/~behfar/infected.html.


i hope that this will get rid of most of the unwanted noise on this
list. please send questions/comments/bug reposts to me.

post at will,
behfar


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From: Kristoffer =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F8nneberg?=
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Subject: a couple of questions
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:07:49 +0200
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Hello there,

I have been lurking in the background for a while on this list, and it
makes me feel good knowing that I am not the only Matt Johnson/The The fan
around.

I was wondering if anyone could help me with some questions:

The album that was planned for April, what happened to that? It's been a
while since Dusk, which i consider to be the last "real" album from the
group. Secondly I would love to hear from anyone who knows where to get a
good and recent bootleg on CD. Anyone?

Thanks.

Rgrds,

Kris Ronneberg
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krroenne@online.no
stoffer@oslo.online.no
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From: robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)infected(a)lists.uchicago.edu"
Subject: Jealous of Youth single
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:57:59 -0400
Message-ID: <0010200001609247000002L072*@MHS>

I've got an extra copy of the Jealous of Youth single on CD. It contains both
the 7" and the 12" versions as well as Beyond Love. If anyone is interested
contact me direct.

Rob
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From: TD3D@aol.com
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Subject: The The promo live/interview CDs for sale
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi all -

Still weeding the extra stuff out of my collection. I have the following The
The stuff:

1. Live in New York ("Yeah, It's a Bootleg")
- 1993 Epic U.S. promo-only CD (ESK 5300)
- w/ live tracks: Infected, August and September, Slow Emotion Replay, Dogs
of Lust, Sodium Light Baby, Sweet Bird of Truth, Armageddon Days
- w/ black and white card pic sleeve
- I have several SEALED, Mint copies of this disc
- Best offers get 'em

2. 'Alive' Interview and live Music 1989 U.S. promo CD (1 copy only)
- w/ MJ interviews and live tracks (Beaten Gen, Heatland, Infected, Beyond
Love)
- logo on CD, front & back artwork inserts w/ tour dates
- Mint/Mint
- best offer over $20 U.S.

3. The The vs. Hank U.S. promo only CD (1 copy only)
- all Hanky Panky tracks matched with original Hank Williams track
- great front/bark artwork inserts; silkscreened disc
- best offer over $15 U.S.

4. Dogs of Lust UK 7" w/ pic sleeve (658467-7) $5
- w/ Violence of Truth
- Mint sleeve / Mint unplayed pink marble vinyl

Postage is extra, but cheap. If you're interested, send offers to me at
TD3D@aol.com. I may trade for MINT 'Cold Spell Ahead' CD single, MINT 'Beaten
Generation' 3" CD and/or MINT Gravitate to Me" etched 12" or 12" box set.
Thanks much, and good luck.
Terry
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From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: Great resource for collectors
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:49:12 -0700
Message-ID:

If you haven't discovered this yet, point your browser to
http://www.vinyltap.co.uk and do a search on The The. It's a UK record
store / label and they have a ton of stuff! I counted 72 different
pieces including 7", 12", LPs, CDs, posters, and a Versus the World tour
program.

They have a lot of rare things like the "Dumb as Death's Head flexi, the
Infected torture cover, the original Cold Spell ahead 7", the
"ejaculating devil" Infected 12", the original Soul Mining with Perfect
12", This is the Day double pack 7", and on and on.

They're not cheap, but they seem about like "blue book" value. My
brother has ordered some things from them and had them shipped to the
States, so they do that.

To our UK members: Is The The stuff more common over there, or is this
just a really good place? It's better than anything I've seen over
here.


- -Doug (drooling over all this stuff and wishing I could afford to buy
the whole lot) Chase
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From: Doug Chase
To: "'Infected'"
Subject: Fiona
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:13:55 -0800
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It looks like we've hit another lull so I've got a question.

I was looking at the credits on my Soul Mining album the other day and
noticed that among the credits it said "Typography Fiona Skinner". I think
that Matt is dating (married to?) somebody named Fiona. Same one? This
isn't a common name.

On another slightly related note, when IS the next album supposed to come
out?!? The last I heard, somebody on the list talked to the drummer and he
said that the drum tracks had all been laid down a year or so ago but Matt
hadn't done anything since then. He was too involved in his family or
something like that. What about all of us fans who are still lost, lustful,
and lonely?

- -Doug
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From: Karen Dean
To:
Subject: Re: Fiona
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:32:43 +1100
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At 14:13 28/10/97 -0800, Doug Chase wrote:

>I was looking at the credits on my Soul Mining album the other day and
>noticed that among the credits it said "Typography Fiona Skinner". I think
>that Matt is dating (married to?) somebody named Fiona. Same one? This
>isn't a common name.

My understanding is that Fiona Skinner was Matt's then-partner. (Have no
idea if this still stands.)

I think that the associated the The typography and band symbol, which she
also designed, are utterly, utterly fabulous. And I confess to hoping that
someone will thieve/produce a the The font!

Karen Dean
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Subject: Quincy's Web Site?
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:36:07 -0800
Message-Id:

Anyone know what happened to the only cool Web site devoted to The The besides the boring Sony pages?

thanks

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From: Peter
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Subject: Re: Quincy's Web Site?
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:37:37 +1100
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Quincy's Web page is at www.thethe.com...
it sure is cool.
quincy is a legend of his own making....
bambang
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From: jdrahn@alpha-us.com
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Subject: the the art
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 8:45:08 -0800
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Karen Dean wrote:

>I think that the associated the The typography and band symbol, which she
>also designed, are utterly, utterly fabulous. And I confess to hoping that
>someone will thieve/produce a the The font!

Speaking of the the art and design, I remember hearing awhile back that Matt's
brother Andy who did the cover illustrations for Soul Mining, Infected, Burning
Blue Soul, and Dusk was disillusioned with painting. Does anyone know where I
can see more of his work before he quit?

Axlotl
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From: robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)infected(a)lists.uchicago.edu"
Subject: Next Album
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:11:10 -0500
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I just happen to be checking Sony's web page for something else and decided to
check what they had under the The. It was just updated and includes a lengthy
note from Matt himself regarding the status of the next album. His note was
dated October 28 so it is as up-to-date as possible. I won't summarize what it
says here, I'll let those of you wish to, enjoy the hunt for fresh news.

RobM
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From: Adrian_Stubbs@BayNetworks.COM (Adrian Stubbs)
To:
Subject: Re: Next Album
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:13:04 -0800
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Thanks Robert.

Here's the link for those who haven't got the time to waste that I have.
http://www.epiccenter.com/EpicCenter/docs/artistupdate.qry?artistid=168


- -Adrian

At 05:11 PM 10/29/97 -0500, robert.w.matthews@USAPC.mail.abb.com wrote:
>I just happen to be checking Sony's web page for something else and
decided to
>check what they had under the The. It was just updated and includes a
lengthy
>note from Matt himself regarding the status of the next album. His note was
>dated October 28 so it is as up-to-date as possible. I won't summarize
what it
>says here, I'll let those of you wish to, enjoy the hunt for fresh news.
>
>RobM
>
>
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From: Brady Green
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Subject: New Album... here's the text
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 15:39:58 -0800
Message-Id:

and for those who might not have Web access or just want the quick facts...


Matt Johnson and company are currently in New York City recording the follow up
to "Hanky Panky". Look for the new release and a new website in '98. Here's a
personal note from Matt himself:

Many, many apologies for the lack of up to date information and news on this
site, the most cobweb bedecked site in the whole wide world of show biz (I'm
proud to say). But no news is good news, and to tell you the truth I'm getting
kinda burnt-out-bored with all this Internet business ... aren't you?

I guess we should be grateful for small mercies and make the most of it though,
because, as you're probably well aware, within a couple of years most of it will
be turned into a gigantic global electronic shopping mall and info-tainment
complex, owned and controlled by one or two Mega-Corporations.

As you may have read, with the Telecommunications Act of 1996 it is now possible
for 1 (ONE!) individual or company to own an unlimited number of television and
radio stations. For the first time in history one company or individual (or in
the case of News Corp. & Microsoft one Rupert Murdoch or Bill Gates) can now
control cable and network television and radio - all in the same marketplace!
Witness the unprecedented merger/takeover feeding frenzy of the past two years.
Disney/ABC, Westinghouse/Infinity, Westinghouse/CBS, Time Warner/Turner. And
those are just the better known ones.

How long before there really is just 1 or 2 media corporations left? 10 years? 5
years? 6 months!?! With the safe passage of this bill (which was not even debated
in public!) this is no longer the territory of conspiracy theorists but a
reality. The general public, as per normal, are being kept in the dark about the
ramifications of all this. There will be less and less choice (i.e. thousands of
channels of mindless crap) and more and more censorship.

But, enough of all this ranting and raving, because here's some really important
news:

The release of "Gun Sluts'" has been postponed ... indefinitely!!!

Although finished, it has been slung deep into my underground tape bunker at The
War Room alongside "Pornography of Despair" and countless other recordings of
mine from the past twenty years. The reasons for this are far too numerous to go
into at present, but ultimately the album was a wild experiment that went too
far. Maybe in the future I'll view it differently and release it, but at the
moment it's an early bath for "Gun Sluts'"

Now, onto some good news. I'm three quarters of the way through the 'new' new
album - as yet untitled. It's going very, very well. The music is finished and
the lyrics are half finished. It's Scheduled for a1998 release (that's only 5
years since "Dusk") with an accompanying WorldWideTour and a new and improved
WorldWideWeb-site. Right now, I'm just too lazy to do anything about it until
it's absolutely necessary - like promoting an album & tour. I think you know the
score.

Well, it's a beautiful evening here in New York City, and as I sit at my desk
writing this note and listening to the news from some exotic land on my
short-wave radio, I glance up to catch the last rays of the sun slipping gently
between the avenues, and I thinks to myself 'what a wonderful world this could
be.' The Labour party in Britain won the election as have the Socialists in
France. At last, some small steps in the right direction.

Thanks for your continued interest and my warmest wishes to you all.

Matt Johnson

P.S. - While you're chewing your lips off with the unbearable tension of waiting
for a new TheThe album - instead of wastin' your hard earned cash on some dodgy
new group, why not try out this book.

Project Censored by Peter Phillips & Project Censored Published by Seven Stories
press (New York)

Published every year since 1976 this book contains the major news stories you
will not see, hear or read about on the mainstream news channels of America. This
annual has become an excellent focal point for the small alternative newspapers,
magazines, radio stations & web sites across the country that provide a fighting
alternative to corporate media propaganda. A copy should be on the bedside table
of every household in the country.

Adios Amigo's

10/28/1997 12:37 -by- mj

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:37:37 -0500
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>OK ... so who do we talk to about getting copies (legally or otherwise)
>of the never-to-be-released Gun Sluts. Mr. Hirsch? jAy? I'm willing to
>contribute to a reward for anyone getting hold of this material!

I think Kevin would have the best chance of getting some of this material.
His drummer friend must have a demo or two...
JaY!
*****************************************
JaY!: 1
Morrissey: 0
"...more than you'll...ever...know"
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Subject: Re: New Album... here's the text
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:10:12 -0800
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Thanks for the info.


Can you forward a recirpricol Book recommendation to mj?

I am reading, and recommend:

"Corporations are Gonna Get Your Moma"
Globalization and the downsizing of the American Dream

published by Global Exchange and edited by Kevin Dahnaher
(Common Courage press) -- 1996

- -------------------------------------------------

This is a collectioon of essays about the coming corporate takeover of
the world, not to put too fine a point on it. . Its rather chilling,
but also has some constructive ideas for grassroots democracy. The
premise being that "societies rot from the top down, but reconstruct
from the bottom up".

Anyone who wrote or enjoyed "Infected" will probably like this book.

Another one that I havent read yet, but is next on my list is called
"The Culture of Nowhere", which apparently explains why all retail,
and other services in the world are being taken over by cookie cutter ,
corporate chains. I find this phenomena amazing. Why would ANYONE buy
coffee at Starbucks or eat at Mac Donalds if they had any choices at
all? Why do people prefer to support this over community based
business? Why DO people make the choices they DO?

One of the hallmarks of the yuppies of the 90s, (who have swarmed over
- -this- city like cockroaches), is that they continually make stupid
choices that effect us all. There seems to be no ability to say NO to
even the most transparent marketing strategies. Shit, they even took up
cigar smoking, when they are supposedly one of the most health
conscience anti smoking generations ever to come down the pike. (I
sort of appreciate the tobacco companies having a good joke at their
expense). They apparently -will- do anything for implied status.

Since many of these dunderheads are the ones with the buying power,
their choices have long reaching effects. Starbucks wouldnt BE there if
they didnt flock to it. Rents wouldnt have doubled here in 12 months if
they didnt pay them.

Back in the thirties, Aldous Huxly wrote to George Orwell that he
didnt think that the world would ever be like 1984. He felt that it
would, indeed, become dominated by a few mega Corps, but in HIS
scenario, people would accept it happily. There would be no need for
dictators and shock troups, because the masses would rush to embrace the
new corporate ideaology. He said he could well imagine "concentration
camps without tears where people love their servitude". And that the
ultimate revolution doesnt change the periphery of things, like borders
or laws, but changes the way people think. And that there can not be
any more ultimate revolution than this.

I find it not suprising that the corporations are running roughshod
with no sense of ethics, or the future, or democracy. They are like
sharks. Like the Borg. They have no brains but are just an expression
of collectivised greed.

But what does amaze me is that people actually believe that chasing the
carrot, and doing as they are told will eventually lead them to some big
carrot pie. They must have some secret drugs we dont know about.

Lea

San Francisco














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Subject: NEED INFORMATION
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:21:58 -0800
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I am seriously considering moving from San Francisco because I can no
longer afford to live here on a fixed income. After 25 years it just is
no longer affordable. Rents have almost doubled in the last year and it
is surpassing Manhattan in cost of living. Quality of life is dropping
as it becomes mired in gridlock.

So I am trying to research a couple of cities and Id really like to
talk to people that live or have lived in them! If anyone is willing to
chat about their experiences in Albuquerque, or San Antonio, or Taos, I
would be very interested. I am also interested in Montrose Colorado,
The Arizona white mountains, and maybe Portland, although it may be too
costly. Areas close by Albuquerque but in the mountains are also of
great interest.

Other places that are warm but not humid, with a low cost of living,
but some character, are also of interest. I probably want to stay West
of the Mississippi. Im from back east. Don't wanna go back.

Southwest is probably the place. Trees appreciated. I am 41 and not
too much into nightlife anymore, but a bit of hipness would certainly be
a bonus. Extra points if everybody there isn't white.

San Antonio is appealing due to weather, trees, etc, but I have a
mighty fear of Texas so if you know much about this city I especially
want to hear from you. I suspect its a bit too uptight, but if you know
about a scene there I wanna know.

Thanks Ever so much,

Lea

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From: Doug Chase
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:30:54 -0800
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Dammit! That make TWO albums that he's finished and never released. And
what are these "other recordings" he refers to? I guess this re-affirms
that he's a true artist instead of just in it for the money. Not that
anybody here had any doubt.

And at least he's partway through the next album. But we'll see...

Doug

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brady Green [SMTP:bgreen@Adobe.COM]
>
> The release of "Gun Sluts'" has been postponed ... indefinitely!!!
>
> Although finished, it has been slung deep into my underground tape bunker
> at The
> War Room alongside "Pornography of Despair" and countless other recordings
> of
> mine from the past twenty years.
>
> Now, onto some good news. I'm three quarters of the way through the 'new'
> new
> album - as yet untitled.
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From: "Poltoranos, Ted"
To: infected@purpletape.cs.uchicago.edu
Subject: RE: New Album... here's the text
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:10:09 -0700
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OK ... so who do we talk to about getting copies (legally or otherwise)
of the never-to-be-released Gun Sluts. Mr. Hirsch? jAy? I'm willing to
contribute to a reward for anyone getting hold of this material!

Seriously though, while I respect Matt's privacy and his decision not to
release material that he doesn't feel is up to his (brilliant)
standards, I would also love to hear said material. Even if it isn't
great (yeah, right), it does provide insights into the Man, and it also
gives the listener (avid fans only) a vision of how Matt's music
evolved, which leads to a greater appreciation for the material that is
released. Personally, I found that listening to some of the rarer early
the The tracks answered a lot of questions about the BBS to Soul Mining
period/gap, and (as hard as it is to believe) actually lead to greater
enjoyment of Soul Mining. I think that hearing Gun Sluts would have a
similar affect on The Next Album.

But who am I to impose my wishes on the Mattsiah? I will remain, as
before, another western guy with desires I can't satisfy.

Ted

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Chase [SMTP:dougcha@microsoft.com]
> Sent: October 29, 1997 8:31 PM
> To: 'Brady Green'; infected@purpletape.cs.uchicago.edu
> Subject: RE: New Album... here's the text
>
> Dammit! That make TWO albums that he's finished and never released.
> And
> what are these "other recordings" he refers to? I guess this
> re-affirms
> that he's a true artist instead of just in it for the money. Not that
> anybody here had any doubt.
>
> And at least he's partway through the next album. But we'll see...
>
> Doug
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brady Green [SMTP:bgreen@Adobe.COM]
> >
> > The release of "Gun Sluts'" has been postponed ... indefinitely!!!
> >
> > Although finished, it has been slung deep into my underground tape
> bunker
> > at The
> > War Room alongside "Pornography of Despair" and countless other
> recordings
> > of
> > mine from the past twenty years.
> >
> > Now, onto some good news. I'm three quarters of the way through the
> 'new'
> > new
> > album - as yet untitled.
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From: "David B. Hirsch"
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:02:25 -0500 (EST)
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it never ends...

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"My cold, cold heart is melted now. I seek for peace but don't know how.
I go to bed but only weep. My cold, cold heart won't let me sleep."

-- hank williams.

On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, Brady Green wrote:

> and for those who might not have Web access or just want the quick facts...
>
>
> Matt Johnson and company are currently in New York City recording the follow up
> to "Hanky Panky". Look for the new release and a new website in '98. Here's a
> personal note from Matt himself:
>
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