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It seems that our favourite talented manga artist is
one of those people who values his privacy. In other words, he doesn't do
public appearences, let people take pictures of him, or give out
personal info about himself. All that I know I got from the back of
the Blood of a Thousand trade paperback, which has a translated
interview with him, and Clint Moulds's translation of an interview from
Quick Japan 38. ("What I'm saying is, women's bodies are attractive, don't you
think?")
During a break from his
genre-busting period piece Mugen no Juunin (Blade of the Immortal),
we talked with a manga artist of incredible skill - Hiroaki Samura. He
talks about his work not only as author of Mugen, but also as love-comedy
author as well as his side interest in drawing torture pictures. Not
having spoken to the media until now, prepare to wade into a depth of
feelings as you read this long interview!
[Background] A half-naked woman with both
arms tied high above her head stands with her back to a pillar to which
she is bound tightly with rough straw rope. On her pure white skin run
countless scars, sticky with blood. Both breasts are pierced with a sharp
iron skewer, and if that wasn't enough there are a pair of jumper cables
attached to the skewers. The woman lethargically stares into space with a
facial expression that could be either resignation or ecstasy, arousing an
uneasiness at seeing something that goes beyond carnal desire... . That
illustration adorns the cover of KousaiShobou's publication, Hageshikute Hen Vol 1. With that description it
probably won't surprise anyone to hear that it is an ero-manga magazine.
The dry tone and elaborate details achieved through his persistence in
drawing with pencil really set it apart from the restrictions of color.
Hiroaki Samura. His debut came with Mugen no Juunin in the August 93
edition of Kodansha's Afternoon magazine. That title is still running
with 11 tankoubons already published that have sold a total of 2,400,000
copies. This accomplished author is now announcing his plans to continue
his ero-manga illustration work alongside his work on Mugen no Juunin.
Why? How come? Is this a good thing!? As for this and more we asked this
artist of uncommon skill, Hiroaki Samura, to disclose his heart of xxx in
broad daylight. So begins this long interview.
[I] : Samura-san graduated from the Tama School of Art,
which is now the setting for Ohikkoshi, but during your exam days did you
feel the same way about drawing manga as you do now?
[HS] : In my student days all of my drawings were dark
and
sloppy. In those days it was the age of Katsuhiro Otomo. His work was very
adult and almost pornographic, it had a big effect on me.
[I] : Was this your first connection with manga?
[HS] : As for using a pen, the first time was when I
entered college. But ever since I was in grade school if you asked me what
I wanted to do when I grew up, I would always answer, "Become a manga
artist." As a result I didn't make any effort to find employment. In any
case if I had been drawing manga in those days all the profits would have
been plunged into mahjong. My graduation from the oil painting program
became very uncertain.
[I] : Well, thinking back to that kid who wanted to
become a mangaka, did you see studying real design and entering art school
as a step towards that goal?
[HS] : Yes. When I was in preparatory school and was
asked, "Why do you want to go to the Art School?", I would answer,
"There's lots of talented artists in their manga club." They would usually
make a bad face at that. (laughs) So I studied nothing but real design
principles, but I hated oil painting straight away because the ingredients
of the picture stink.
[I] : But if you think about it, your drawings wouldn't
have the same power if you couldn't draw people in such accurate detail.
It seems like everything went according to plan, didn't it?
[HS] : The world is my oyster, yeah.
[I] : Indeed.
[HS] : In reality though, when I entered college it fell
flat, as expected since I couldn't do oil paintings. For my graduation
project in fact I had to pay someone to paint it for me.
[I] : (Laughs) I'm going to write that.
[HS] : That's fine. Uh, as I was saying I was paying
this guy money, but actually it was even worse, I had to treat him to
meals as well. It was the worst process. I would do one page, then he
would do another page I couldn't handle, but later I would go back over
his work. At least I had a splendid new friend who would say things like,
"Sorry, there's a little bit of me in that one." It was just at that time
that I had come up with the story for Mugen no Juunin and sent in the
debut work to the editors.
[I] : That turned out to be most important, didn't it?
[HS] : It was very important. In fact, just before
graduation I decided it would be best for me to drop out of school.
[I] : Since a degree isn't really necessary anyway,
right?
[HS] : Yeah, and besides, I like to think of myself as a
decent guy. So when I added "paid money" and then "prepared meals" to my
college resume, I realized I was no better than a beggar. (laughs)
"Please! Please help me!", I was saying.
[I] : That's a great story. Getting back to what you
said about the manga club, that was a big part of your student life,
wasn't it?
[HS] : Yes. I remember one school festival where
[professional mangaka] Yamada Reishi, manga club alumnus, came and looked
at our club magazine. He told me, "You there, you've definitely got what
it takes to get into a magazine like Morning or Afternoon."
[I] : So you didn't bring anything in during your
student days?
[HS] : Mugen no Juunin began, remember?
[I] : But it seemed like your debut still hadn't
happened, during that time what were some of the hurdles you had to
overcome?
[HS] : I guess I haven't thought about it very much. It
would have been great if I could debut while I was still a student, but as
you know my drawing pace was slow. After classwork I couldn't even write a
manuscript. I thought, "Oh well, I'll have time after graduation." When
Afternoon accepted me as I was before graduation, I felt that my drawings
must be skillful enough that all would be forgiven. (laughs) Yeah, it was
that kind of atmosphere in those days. So, I went. That's how I got where
I am today.
[Background] This may be an abstract way of saying this,
but in my experiences piecing together Hiroaki Samura's works, I consider
myself a "knowledgeable" person. In amassing experience my only conclusion
is that I can never find enough of it, only odds and ends floating about.
That follows from the natural confidence of someone who says, "I'll be a
mangaka." It's not, "Want to be," or "Definitely gonna be!" but simply,
"Be." Is it that kind of feeling?
[HS] : Well as I was saying I came out of the generation
influenced by Otomo Katsuhiro, but at the same time I didn't want to be
just another new face following the same patterns. Even if it was stylish
I thought if I debut that way I'll be locked into using a style that I
couldn't escape from. When Mugen no Juunin first came out I could draw 40
pages a month. These days I can only manage 30. You see at the start I
felt like Otomo creating a masterwork and could spend many hours drawing.
As Mugen no Juunin picked up steam I began to realize I was working in
"serial mode". If I told myself, "If you can't work in serial mode you
can't be a mangaka," then I can draw 40 pages. But gradually, as you might
expect, I'd end up taking shortcuts and spend less time on each frame, to
the point where entire pages get blown off and were almost entirely white.
It was the worst state of affairs. At least I had the time to fix them
before the tankoubon came out.
[I] : As a mangaka, your drawings have surely changed in
the 4 or 5 years since your debut, have they not? Discuss the course of
those changes and how they differ from the usual pattern one sees.
[HS] : How are they different?
[I] : I never get the feeling that your drawings have
come to be naturally simplified. For there to be simplification you'd have
to draw the pattern quickly, but you said you take great pains in this. If
it was the usual changes, the artist would want to take the easy course
and pound out a frame in a few strokes. But from what you just said I
thought, oh I get it.
[HS] : As for that I was really only referring to the
very beginning. But I think if you look at the recent tankoubons you'll
find my nervous energy is still at its peak. I do feel that a great amount
of detail is a pain to draw. Now I'm probably a little more rough or wild
with my drawings.
[I] : About what volume do you plan to go with Mugen no
Juunin?
[HS] : Originally I said, "I'll end it at 5 volumes."
Now that I've already done 12 I don't really know, but it's true that I
want to finish it within the next 3 years.
[I] : Can you see the last scene in your head, and are
we heading there?
[HS] : Just last month I finished a long section of the
story. After that all that remains is the build-up to the very last story.
I didn't at all want to think I'd be past 30 and still in my commencement
days.
[Background] So that's his debut work, the hit Mugen no
Juunin which continues to come out monthly. But Mugen is not the only
serial work he has put forward. There is also his latest work, Ohikkoshi,
an ensemble piece based on student life in art school. A manga about
youth, a love-comedy, with trackless and violent gags stuffed into the
mix. This is a strange work, if you haven't read it I don't think I'll be
able to explain it. But for all that, the story design unfolds around a
group of familiar friends. Though you're not sure where it's going at
first.
[I] : Do you consider Ohikkoshi a gag manga? I don't
think that's quite right, do you?
[HS] : For me, it was my intention to draw a
love-comedy. And while on the surface I'd say I was aiming at an 80's
style love-comedy, I thought they were too common these days to do it
straight. The ultimate comment I get from everyone is, "This is a
love-comedy?" But I think you have to read it twice and not skim over it
once or you'll miss it.
[I] : I didn't think it was an 80's style manga. Rather
I said, "I've never seen anything like this before." It's so outrageous,
I'm taken in from cover to cover while reading!
[HS] : Well, um, no seriously... it's a serious story
but I also wanted to tug at the reader's heartstrings. After the 2nd
chapter when everything was in disorder I got letters from readers saying,
"Is it going to go on like this forever? When do we feel the excitement of
love?" Somehow from here I have to take it into love. Just now with the
4th chapter it finally becomes the love story.
[I] : No, no, it really does work! Definitely there are
those feelings there, in the impatience of the main character.
[HS] : That's very kind of you to say.
[I] : In any case you thought of it as something "new".
While you can't help classifying it into a genre I suppose, as I've said I
haven't seen anything like it before. Please give us your honest thoughts
on this.
[HS] : It's something I wanted to do while I was still
young. So then after I'd turned 30 I thought, "I'm not going to be young
forever, perhaps the time is now?" So I drew Ohikkoshi. Now someone might
say, "This is what you wanted?" (laughs) As for it not resembling anything
else, I think almost everything I do is a mismatch from the pattern. On
top of that, I didn't think I had the ability to draw a gag manga. When I
asked myself if I could draw one I realized for the last 8 years I truly
hadn't done anything outside of Mugen no Juunin. So when I read the
letters on this new one I feel like I'm wearing work clothes and really
earning my livelihood! You see, I'm really not that kind of person.
[I] : I guess wearing a Jittarin Jin (*) t-shirt
wouldn't count! [HS] : Right, no it would be some t-shirt with "Wind
God" written on it, (laughs) or something like that, get it?
[I] : I get it (laughs), kind of.
[Background] Neglecting the main character while
sub-characters run wildly, a succession of proper nouns that can be
appreciated only by people who know them well, parts that tug on your
heart a bit, parts that are completely ridiculous, an over-genre and
hybrid situation with a bit of everything. Yet for all that, the story is
backed by the power of delicate design. If any one of the elements were
removed the balance would collapse. This is the realization that comes out
of the masterpiece, Ohikkoshi. It is this balance of feelings that really
characterizes Hiroaki Samura, I think. No longer will he be referred to
merely as, "That Mugen no Juunin guy." When asked about his favorite bands
Samura gave 1st place to Queen and 2nd place to Black Sabbath and Jittarin
Jin, 3 bands with almost nothing in common. As expected this capsule's
broadness is just like him. If he can draw both a period piece and a
love-comedy with a gag touch, why not torture pictures and even a
(planned...) ero-manga to add to his unbelievable range? With these, only
the peerless tone of Hiroaki Samura can take them from the base to the
beautiful. Like the illustration described in the opening paragraph. I
call it an illustration but more precisely it's from a collection of
torture pictures that surprisingly was announced back in April of 1998 in
Manga Kurisutei. Since then there have been several changes (An ero-book
sometimes collapses during summer vacation and sometimes magazine names
change), but the torture picture series Hito de Nashi no Koi continues to
be announced. |